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Athens News Agency: News in Greek, 10-09-15

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From: The Athens News Agency at <http://www.ana.gr/>

PERIEXOMENA
  • [01] Shmera oi apofaseis gia to plafon
  • [02] Eyrwpaikh Ebdomada Metakinhshs
  • [03] H atzenta ths Tetarths 15/9/2010
  • [04] "Isodynames me tis boyleytikes"
  • [05] Neo systhma meta to 2013
  • [06] Kataggelies katanalwtwn
  • [07] Prosoxh sta ...antibiotika
  • [08] H "qeia Agkaqa"

    [01] Shmera oi apofaseis gia to plafon

    Shmera anamenontai telikes apofaseis gia thn anaprosarmogh toy plafon sta ygra kaysima me epikratestero senario thn epibolh neas timhs, poy qa isxyei kai pali mono gia ta prathria.

    Oi prathrioyxoi zhthsan na ayjhqei h timh toy plafon kai na diamorfwqei peripoy sto 1,52 eyrw to litro gia thn amolybdh kai to aithma brhke qetikh antapokrish apo to ypoyrgeio. Shmera to prwi oi ekproswpoi twn prathrioyxwn qa synanthqoyn me ton yfypoyrgo Perifereiakhs Anaptyjhs kai Antagwnistikothtas k. Nt. Roblia kai akoloyqws qa yparjoyn anakoinwseis.

    Sto aithma pantws twn prathrioyxwn na epiblhqei plafon se ola ta stadia ths diakinhshs kai emporias ygrwn kaysimwn den antapokriqhke to ypoyrgeio.

    Stis 2 to meshmeri exei programmatistei na pragmatopoihqei synanthsh toy yfypoyrgoy Perifereiakhs Anaptyjhs kai Antagwnistikothtas k. Nt. Roblia me toys ekproswpoys twn prathrioyxwn gia na ejetastei ek neoy to qema kai na syzhthqoyn ta problhmata sth leitoyrgia toy antagwnismoy sth lianikh agora ygrwn kaysimwn.

    Stis synanthseis poy pragmatopoihqhkan xqes me tis dyo Omospondies toy kladoy (Omospondia Benzinopwlwn Ellados kai Panellhnia Omospondia Prathrioyxwn - Emporwn Kaysimwn), h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy dexqhke na anaprosarmosei pros ta panw to plafon, prokeimenoy na antikatoptrizei kai tis ayjhseis stis dieqneis times poy eginan apo thn Paraskeyh (sta stoixeia ths sygkekrimenhs hmeras basisthke o kaqorismos toy plafon) mexri shmera. Wstoso h Panellhnia Omospondia Prathrioyxwn - Emporwn Kaysimwn dhlwse se xqesinobradynh anakoinwsh oti qa proxwrhsei se kinhtopoihseis, anejarthta apo thn ayjhsh ths anwtaths timhs, an h kybernhsh den epibalei plafon kai sta prohgoymena stadia diakinhshs twn kaysimwn, dhladh sta diylisthria kai tis etairies emporias, h den anakalesei to plafon.

    Xqes, Trith, yphrje parembash eisaggelea gia prathrioyxo sthn Kalliqea poy diapistwqhke apo ta synergeia elegxoy oti pwloyse thn amolybdh me timh akriboterh apo to plafon alla sth synexeia den askhqhke diwjh. Apo to ypoyrgeio shmeiwnetai oti qa ginontai systaseis kai qa epiballontai xrhmatika prostima symfwna me osa problepei o nomos gia tis parabaseis alla den qa yparjoyn diwjeis.

    Opws anefere se dhlwseis toy o proedros ths Omospondias Benzinopwlwn Ellados k. Kioyshs xqes sthn Attikh 250 prathria pwloysan tis benzines xamhlotera apo to plafon, 300 prathria pwloysan me bash to plafon kai 850 prathria eixan times panw apo to plafon kaqws, opws shmeiwse, h timh agoras sth xondrikh htan sta oria toy plafon. Apotelesma ayths ths katastashs htan orismena prathria na mhn leitoyrghsoyn shmera gia na mhn pwloyn me zhmia.

    Akarph h synanthsh Reppa-Idiokthtwn Forthgwn & Bytioforwn

    Akarph apebh h nea synanthsh poy eixan xqes o ypoyrgos Ypodomwn, Metaforwn kai Diktywn Dhmhtrhs Reppas, me to proedreio ths Panellhnias Omospondias Idiokthtwn Forthgwn kai Bytioforwn Dhmosias Xrhshs.

    Meta th synanthsh, den eginan dhlwseis apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgoy, enw oi syndikalistes dhlwsan apofasismenoi na synexisoyn tis kinhtopoihseis kai kalesan thn kybernhsh estw kai thn ystath ayth stigmh na dwsei lysh sta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn.

    Se mia kinhsh kalhs qelhshs pros toys epaggelmaties aytokinhtistes, o ypoyrgos Metaforwn D. Reppas, proxwrhse se ayjhsh ths aylhs ajias twn adeiwn Forthgwn Dhmosias Xrhshs.

    Opws egine gnwsto tropopoieitai h paragrafos 7 toy arqroy 14 toy nomosxedioy, to opoio exei hdh eisaxqei pros syzhthsh sthn armodia epitroph ths boylhs kai orizetai oti gia th xorhghsh adeiwn kykloforias FDX oi endiaferomenes metaforikes etairies kataballoyn efapaj yper toy Dhmosioy eidikh eisfora analoga me thn kathgoria kai to mikto baros toy forthgoy oxhmatos.

    Sygkekrimena to poso ayto orizetai se 10.000 eyrw gia ton prwto tono, 2.000 eyrw gia kaqe epomeno kai mexri toys 7 tonoys kai 1.500 eyrw gia kaqe epomeno kai mexri toys 40 tonoys.

    Se o,ti afora ta bytiofora kai eidikotera ayta poy metaferoyn ygra kaysima ta posa ths eidikhs eisforas diamorfwnontai ws ejhs:

    - Eikosi epta xiliades eyrw gia ton prwto tono.

    - Treis xiliades eyrw gia kaqe epomeno kai mexri toys saranta dyo tonoys.

    Me thn tropopoihsh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy problepetai epishs oti to poso poy kataballetai gia thn lhch ths adeias FDX, logizetai ws ejodo kai ekpiptei toy eisodhmatos, epimerizomeno kata to ena trito gia ta epomena 3 xronia apo th lhjh ths adeias.

    Shmera antiproswpeia twn aytokinhtistwn qa metabei sth Boylh, opoy qa ekqesei tis apoceis ths sthn armodia epitroph, opoy syzhteitai to epimaxo nomosxedio.

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    [02] Eyrwpaikh Ebdomada Metakinhshs

    Ekdhlwseis se olh thn Aqhna, me stoxo thn eyaisqhtopoihsh twn politwn gia th xrhsh twn dhmosiwn meswn metaforas, toy podhlatoy kai ths pezhs kinhshs diorganwnontai apo ayrio ews thn Tetarth 22 Septembrioy sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Ebdomadas Metakinhshs.

    Me synqhma "Metakinoymaste ejypna zoyme kalytera", foreis kai organwseis epixeiroyn mia monimh prospaqeia beltiwshs ths zwhs twn politwn, mesw ths prowqhshs aeiforwn tropwn metakinhshs kai ths syneths xrhshs toy aytokinhtoy kata tropo oikonomiko, asfalh kai periballontika filiko.

    Sth fetinh Eyrwpaikh Ebdomada Metakinhshs symmetexoyn 1468 poleis. H Ellada symmetexei epishmws me pente poleis: Qessalonikh, Lamia, Panorama Qessalonikhs, Giannitsa, Beroia.

    Oi ekdhlwseis koryfwnontai to Sabbato 18 Septembrioy me ekdhlwseis sthn plateia Syntagmatos kai thn odo Panepisthmioy, h opoia qa doqei sto koino apo tis 11 to prwi mexri tis 4 to apogeyma.

    Tis ekdhlwseis organwnoyn to Ypoyrgeio Ypodomwn, Metaforwn kai Diktywn, to Ypoyrgeio Periballontos, Energeias kai Klimatikhs Allaghs, mazi me ton Omilo OASA, (EQEL, HSAP, HLPAP, AMEL, TRAM), ton PROASTIAKO, to Dhmo Aqhnaiwn, ton Emporiko Syllogo Aqhnwn, to Dieqnes Aerodromio Eleyqerios Benizelos, thn Enopoihsh Arxaiologikwn Xwrwn kai Anaplaseis, ton Organismo Ryqmistikoy Sxedioy Aqhnas, to Syllogo Ellhnwn Sygkoinwniologwn, to Institoyto Odikhs Asfaleias Panos Mylwnas, th MKO Epibaths, to Ecocity, kai to Swma Ellhnwn Proskopwn.

    H Eyrwpaikh Ebdomada Metakinhshs apotelei mia ekstrateia eyaisqhtopoihshs twn politwn. Kinhtopoiei tis poleis ths Eyrwphs na anadeijoyn aytes tis xrhseis kai na ependysoyn stis aparaithtes allages stis ypodomes.

    Skopos einai na eyaisqhtopoihsei toys polites na drasoyn enantia sth molynsh toy astikoy periballontos apo tis metakinhseis, beltiwnontas taytoxrona thn poiothta ths astikhs zwhs.

    Sygkekrimena problepei thn: a) prowqhsh twn enallaktikwn morfwn metakinhshs ektos toy aytokinhtoy, b) ayjhsh ths eyaisqhtopoihshs twn politwn sxetika me th molynsh kai g) probolh ths polhs se diaforetikes synqhkes, idiaitera me thn apagoreysh kykloforias twn aytokinhtwn se sygkekrimenes perioxes.

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    [03] H atzenta ths Tetarths 15/9/2010

  • Deyterh mera ths episkechs ths g.g. toy KKE Alekas Paparhga sth DEQ

    09:30 -Synanthsh me th dioikhsh ths DEQ kai ths HELEXPO.

    11:00 - Synenteyjh Typoy sto synedriako kentro ths DEQ "Nikolaos Germanos" (periptero 8) sthn aiqoysa C.

    13:00 - Periodeia sthn ELBO. opoy qa milhsei me toys ergazomenoys.

  • Episkech toy epikefalhs toy SYRIZA kai proeedroy toy SYN Alejh Tsipra sth Qessalonikh

    09:00 - Periodeia sto TEBE. (Kwletth 23).

    10:30 - Episkech ston OSE, synanthsh me toys ergazomenoys.

    09:00:00 Eqelontikh aimodosia sth Qessalonikh me eleyqerh symmetoxh gia oloys. Diorganwnetai apo thn antidhmarxia Koinwnikhs Politikhs. Qa symmetexei kai o dhmarxos Qessalonikhs. Qessalonikh/foyagie toy neoy dhmarxeioy

    11:00:00 Ejetastikh Epitroph gia th Zimens - Ejetash martyrwn - Ntora Mpakogianh. Boylh - aiqoysa 223

    11:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy gia tis ekdhlwseis poy qa pragmatopoihqoyn sto plaisio ths "Hmeras xwris aytokinhto", paraxwroyn o dhmos Qessalonikhs kai oi syndiorganwtes ths ekdhlwshs. Qessalonikh/Kentrikh Dhmotikh Biblioqhkh, (Eqnikhs Amynhs 27)

    11:30:00 Synenteyjh ths politikhs hgesias toy YPEJ. Paroysiash twn basikwn ajonwn ths ejwterikhs politikhs apo thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy stoys diplwmatikoys syntaktes. Aqhna/Aiqoysa Seferh (Bas. Sofias 1)

    12:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy gia synedrio ``Treis genoktonies, mia strathgikh'', poy pragmatopoieitai ypo thn aigida toy nomarxh G. Sgoyroy. Aqhna/Palia Boylh

    12:30:00 To Syntonistiko organo twn epaggelmatiwn kafe, mpar, estiatoriwn organwnei anoixth ekdhlwsh enantia sthn kaqolikh apagoreysh kapnismatos sta kentra estiashs kai anacyxhs. Aqhna/Ianos (Stadioy 24)

    12:00:00 Taktiko synedrio Panellhnias Omospondias Ergazomenwn ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Aqhna/jenodoxeio "Aqens Imperial"

    12:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy paraxwrei o Organismos Megaroy Moysikhs Qessalonikhs, wste na paroysiasei to kallitexniko toy programma. Qessalonikh/foyagie ths plateias toy Megaroy.

    12:30:00 Ekdhlwsh me aformh th Dieqnh Hmera Dhmokratias organwnei h AXEPA - Elladas. Aqhna/Megaro "Ypatia" (Pathsiwn)

    13:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy twn Epitropwn ths DEMA (Dieqnhs Epitroph Mesogeiakwn Agwnwn) kai OEMA (Organwtikh Epitroph Mesogeiakwn Agwnwn) me qema thn poreia ergasiwn ths diorganwshs twn Mesogeiakwn Agwnwn 2013. Bolos/jenodoxeio Valis (paralia Agrias)

    13:00:00 Synanthsh YFYPEJ-Spyroy Koybelh me Genikh Dieyqyntria Action Aid International -Joanna Kerr. Qa toy paradwsoyn keimeno me 83.000 ypografes gia thn ekstrateia "1GOAL - Ekpaideysh gia Oloys". Aqhna/Zalokwsta 10 (8os or.)

    13:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy epikefalhs ths synergasias politwn "Qessalonikh- Dhmioyrgikh Polh" T. Tzhka. Qessalonikh/Mediterranean Palace

    18:00:00 Ekdhlwsh ``Ellhnikh Oikonomia: H Epomenh Mera'', me kentriko omilhth ton Gianno Papantwnioy. Diorganwnetai apo to Kentro Ereynwn Proodeytikhs Politikhs (KEPP) kai miloyn: N. Mhtarakhs, S. Rompolhs, I. Stoyrnaras. Aqhna/Megaro Karatza

    19:00:00 Synenteyjh Typoy toy Ergasthrioy Nanotexnologias. O dieyqynths toy Ergasthrioy Nanotexnologias- LTFN, toy A.P.Q., kaqhghths Stergios Logoqetidhs kai h HELEXPO AE paraxwroyn synenteyjh Typoy gia thn paroysiash twn gegonotwn me qema NANOTEX 2011: Nanotexnologia & Organika Hlektronika. Qessalonikh/Periptero 13 kai Stand 19

    AQLHTIKH ATZENTA

    13:30:00 Tzoynto-Afijh metallioyxwn (Hliadhs, Mpoykoybala) apo to Pagkosmio Prwtaqlhma. Qa einai parontes o yfypoyrgos Aqlhtismoy k. Ahdonhs, o genikos grammateas Aqlhtismoy, k. Mpitsajhs. . Eleyqerios Benizelos

    18:00:00 Podosfairo-Gioyropa Ligk: Synenteyjh Typoy toy proponhth ths AEK Ntoysan Mpagebits. Aiqoysa Typoy OAKA

    19:45:00 Podosfairo-Gioyropa Ligk Synenteyjh Typoy toy proponhth ths Xaintoyk Split Stangko Poklepobits. Aiqoysa Typoy OAKA

  • Podosfairo-Kypello Elladas (B` fash)

    15:45 ANAGENNHSH GIANNITSWN-IWNIKOS

    15:45 EORDAIKOS 2007-KALLIQEA

    15:45 PANAIGIALEIOS-TRIKALA

    15:45 AIAS SALAMINAS-PIERIKOS

    15:45 MEGAS ALEJANDROS-BEROIA

    15:45 ANAGENNHSH EPANWMHS-PANAITWLIKOS

    15:45 PLATANIAS-HLIOYPOLH

    15:45 KOZANH-QRASYBOYLOS

    15:45 DOJA KRANOYLAS-EQNIKOS MANHS

    17:00 PANAXAIKH 2005-LEBADEIAKOS

    18:00 OLYMPIAKOS XERSONHSOY-OFH

    18:00 AGIA PARASKEYH-EQNIKOS ASTERAS

    19:30 RODOS-DIAGORAS

    15:45 AETOS SKYDRAS-ANAGENNHSH KARDITSAS

  • Mpasket-Kypello Elladas (A` fash, 1h agwnistikh)

    Katsimhdoy 17.00 AO Aiolos Trikalwn - Apollwn Patrwn

    EAK Mikras A' 17.00 GS M.Alejandros - AO Pagkratioy

    Bardinogianneio 18.00 OF Hrakleioy - AGO Reqymnoy

    EAK Larisas 17.00 GS Olympia Larisas - AEP Olympias

    DAK Polixnhs 17.00 AMS Anagennhsh Floga - KAO Dramas

    DAK Argoys 17.00 AEK Argoys - AOK Ikaroi Serwn

    MENT 17.00 MENT - AO Amyntas

    DAK Kalamarias 17.00 MGS Apollwn Kalamarias - GS Layrioy

    Leykadas 17.00 AE Doja Leykadas - GS Diagoras Rodoy

    Peramatos 17.00 GS Peramatos/Ermhs - SFK Pierikos/Arxelaos

    N.Eryqraias 18.00 Paneryqraikos AS - AO Nhar Hst

    Doyka 18.00 ASE Doyka - AE N.Khfisias

    DAK Lagkada 18.00 MAS Ermhs Lagkada - AS Trikala 2000

    Arnaias 17.00 SA Stratwnioy - AS Koroibos Amaliadas

    Aigalew 18.00 Aigalew AO - SEFA Arkadikos

    DAK Eyosmoy 17.00 APS Aias Eyosmoy - Paneleysiniakos AOK

  • Podosfairo-Tsampions Ligk (1h hmera)

    5os OMILOS

    Mpagern-Roma

    Kloyz-Basileia

    6os OMILOS

    Marseig-Spartak Mosxas

    Zilina-Tselsi

    7os OMILOS

    Real Madriths-Agiaj

    Milan-Oser

    8os OMILOS

    Arsenal-Mpragka

    Saxtar Ntonetsk-Partizan

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    [04] "Isodynames me tis boyleytikes"

    Oi aytodioikhtikes ekloges toy Noembrioy einai isodynames me tis boyleytikes ki exoyn megalh shmasia dioti einai oi prwtes ekloges meta to Mnhmonio, tonise h genikh grammateas toy KKE Aleka Paparhga sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse sto plaisio ths episkechs ths sthn 75h DEQ.

    Kalese toys chfoforoys na ``syntricoyn'' stis ekloges to PASOK kai th N.D. kai na chfisoyn toys syndyasmoys ths ``Laikhs Syspeirwshs'' poy sthrizei to KKE. Gia ton deytero gyro proteine na chfisoyn ``leyko'' kai ``akyro'' stis periptwseis poy den qa einai ypochfioi ths ``Laikhs Syspeirwshs''.

    Xarakthrise ``paraplanhtiko, ceydh kai epikindyno'' ton diaxwrismo twn kommatwn kai twn syndyasmwn se mnhmoniakoys kai antimnhmoniakoys.

    Gia thn kybernhsh toy PASOK eipe oti exei ejapolysei thn pio barbarh epiqesh se baros twn ergazomenwn kai ``einai ikanh na pathsei epi ptwmatwn''. Akoma ki an oi diadikasies toy Mnhmonioy lhjoyn to 2013 oi epiptwseis qa synexistoyn gia arketa xronia kai metatiqentai gia meta to 2015 oi probleceis oti to AEP qa ftasei se epipedo prin apo thn krish.

    Gia th N.D. tonise oti den chfise to Mnhmonio, alla sthn pragmatikothta sthrizei ta metra kai den leei oti qa ta katarghsei an erqei sthn ejoysia.

    Kathgorhse ton LA.O.S oti einai ``dekaniki'' toy systhmatos kai kanei antikommoynismo me ``antiparoxh''.

    Gia ton SYN kai ton SY.RIZ.A eipe oti yioqetoyn fainomenika rhjikeleyqh qesh, opws einai h anatroph toy Mnhmonioy, alla oysiastika syskotizoyn thn pragmatikh aitia poy odhgei sthn prowqhsh twn antilaikwn metrwn kai ``dhlhthriazoyn'' ton rizospastismo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Xarakthrise ``asteia'' ayta poy leei o Alekos Alabanos peri anadiarqrwshs toy xreoys.

    ``O agwnas shmera prepei na kateyqynetai sthn anagkaiothta anatrophs ths ejoysias twn monopwliwn, na blepei kaqe mikrh h megalh anametrhsh me ayth thn prooptikh'', eipe h ka Paparhga kai prosqese: ``O laos den einai oxlos, oyte maza poy parapaiei, oyte xylos. Einai aytos poy qa ferei th megalh anatroph''.

    H ka Paparhga kathggeile oti yparxoyn ``sthmena'' dipla chfodeltia toy PASOK kai ths N.D. stis aytodiokhtikes ekloges, me dhqen ``antartes'', poy apodeiknyontai ``basilikoteroi toy basilews'', kai ayto to kanoyn giati foboyntai thn aposkirthsh chfoforwn toys. Anefere ws paradeigmata tis ypochfiothtes toy Giannh Dhmara kai toy Alejh Mhtropoyloy. Aixmes gia tis qeseis poy yposthrizoyn kai ton tropo poy paroysiazoyn tis ypochfiothtes toys afhse enantion twn Panagiwth Cwmiadh, Kwsta Gkoyleka kai Giannh Mpoytarh.

    H g.g. toy KKE kathgorhse to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias oti empaizei th Sxolh Tyflwn Qessalonikhs. Zhthse na lyqei amesa to qema ths metaforas maqhtwn sta sxoleia kai ypogrammise oti einai proklhsh na ginetai syzhthsh gia xtyphma ths forodiafyghs otan qespizontai epishmes foroapallages.

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    [05] Neo systhma meta to 2013

    Neo systhma eisagwghs sta Panepisthmia kai ta TEI qa exoyme meta to 2013, anefere h ypoyrgos Paideias A. Diamantopoyloy, milwntas ston thleoptiko staqmo MEGKA. Qa prohghqoyn omws, opws tonise, allages sta lykeia.

    Sygkekrimena h ypoyrgos tonise: "Apo toy xronoy h prwth lykeioy, qa exei kainoyrgio programma. Ta paidia poy qa pane toy xronoy sthn prwth lykeioy, qa foithsoyn se mia deytera kai trith lykeioy, teleiws diaforetikh. Me poly liga maqhmata. Qa exoyn tessera ypoxrewtika maqhmata sta opoia qa kanoyn diplasio ariqmo wrwn sto sxoleio. Qa exoyn liga maqhmata epiloghs, sta opoia qa doyleyoyn me ergasies, opws kai sta basika maqhmata. Qa allajei o tropos ajiologhshs twn maqhtwn. Qa yparxoyn ejetaseis eswterikes sto sxoleio kai o baqmos qa syndeetai me ta panepisthmia, ta opoia qa orizoyn ta maqhmata poy apaitoyntai gia thn eisagwgh kai th staqmish ths baqmologias. Ayto omws shmainei allagh kai sta Panepisthmia. O Oktwbrios einai o mhnas poy syzhtame gia tis allages sta Panepisthmia kai ta Texnologika Idrymata ths xwras".

    Stoxos toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias einai to lykeio na ginei "mia aytonomh monada, opoy to paidi ws poliths qa prepei na symplhrwnei th gnwsh toy". Oso gia tis allages stis panellhnies ejetaseis toy 2011, h ypoyrgos eipe oti exei hdh anakoinwqei anadiarqrwsh olhs ths ylhs h opoia exei meiwqei. Sygxronws meletwntai allages sta mhxanografika.

    Idiaitera omws h ypoyrgos anaferqhke sto neo chfiako sxoleio. Sygkekrimena apo ton Oktwbrio qa arxisei na leitoyrgei ena systhma symfwna me to opoio h ylh brisketai sto diadiktyo kai oi maqhtes mporoyn na o parakoloyqoyn zwntana apo thn oqonh toy ypologisth. Na blepoyn ton ekpaideytiko, na kanoyn erwthseis kai na pairnoyn apanthseis. H arxh gia to chfiako sxoleio ginetai apo ta dhmotika sta opoia qa pane forhta ergasthria me ypologistes, poy qa mpainoyn stis tajeis gia na ginetai to maqhma, enw qa topoqethqoyn diadrastikoi pinakes sthn b'tajh gymnasioy.

    Alla kai ta paidia toy lykeioy qa exoyn thn yposthrijh ths didaskalias apo to diadiktyo.

    "Stoxos gia th b'kai g'lykeioy" eipe h ypoyrgos "einai o maqhths na mhn xreiazetai oyte frontisthrio, oyte bohqeia. Exoyme ftasei sto shmeio na kanoyn frontisthrio ta paidia toy dhmotikoy kai oi foithtes sto Panepisthmio. Ayto shmainei oti ektos apo to systhma prepei kai emeis na allajoyme ws nootropia".

    Se erwthma sxetika me thn elleich ypodomwn sta sxoleia, h ypoyrgos apanthse: "Qa afhsoyme mia genia paidiwn pisw, qewrwntas oti prepei na kanoyme prwta to teleio sxoleio kai meta na baloyme ton ypologisth; Emeis qeloyme ayth h genia, na einai mia genia poy qa exei sta xeria ths ola ayta poy xreiazetai gia na antagwnistei, se pagkosmio epipedo".

    H ypoyrgos dieykrinise pantws oti den qa doqoyn forhtoi ypologistes stoys maqhtes ths a'gymnasioy kaqws opws eipe "h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh mas zhtaei pisw ta lefta gia toys ypologistes poy eixan doqei xwris na yparxei chfiako periexomeno, xwris na yparxei maqhma kai ekpaideysh twn ekpaideytikwn. Phran ta paidia toys ypologistes sta spitia toys kai paizane".

    H ypoyrgos dieykrinise oti oson afora stis oikonomikes ekkremothtes pros toys ekpaideytikoys, "exoyn plhrwqei oloi oi wromisqioi kai anaplhrwtes. Opws epishs kai apo thn Prosqeth Didaktikh Sthrijh poy egine persi. Yparxei problhma me thn Prosqeth Didaktikh Sthrijh toy 2008 kai 2009, opws kai me enan ariqmo didaskontwn se eyrwpaika programmata, giati eginan ta programmata ayta kai phran anqrwpoys xwris na yparxoyn probleceis kai pistwseis alla kai kamia nomikh desmeysh. Pantws ejantleitai kaqe prospaqeia gia na lyqei to qema".

    Sxetika me th syzhthsh gia ta ekpaideytika kena kai ton ariqmo twn maqhtwn ana tajh, h ypoyrgos epishmane oti ta kena poy yparxoyn einai 2.500. Ta 1500 einai se 70 eidikothtes kai ta 1000 sthn prwtobaqmia ekpaideysh. "Anakoinwsame", tonise, "kai 4.200 ekpaideytikoys ws pleonasma, pragma poy shmainei oti sxoleia kai dieyqynseis exoyn perissoteroys ekpaideytikoys, se sygkekrimenes eidikothtes, apo aytoys poy xreiazontai".

    Gia ton ariqmo twn maqhtwn h Anna Diamantopoyloy ypenqymise to nomo poy leei oti sthn tajh mporoyn na einai mexri 30 paidia oson afora sth deyterobaqmia kai 25 sthn Prwtobaqmia. "Stoxos mas - eipe - einai ta 25 paidia ana tmhma. Ekei poy yparxei qema xwroy h alloy eidoys zhthmata pame apo ta 25 sto syn 10%. Symfwna me stoixeia apo toys perifereiakoys dieyqyntes den yparxei oyte ena tmhma panw apo 30 paidia kai mono ena pososto 7% twn tmhmatwn ftanei sta 27-28 paidia".

    Akomh h ypoyrgos eipe oti ta Sxoleia Deyterhs Eykairias kai ta Sxoleia Periballontikhs Ekpaideyshs qa leitoyrghsoyn kanonika.

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    [06] Kataggelies katanalwtwn

    Ekatontades parapona kai kataggelies poy aforoyn kyriws tis trapezes dexontai kaqhmerina oi katanalwtikes organwseis apo katanalwtes -melh toys oi opoioi epiqymoyn na entaxqoyn sth ryqmish twn ofeilwn yperxrewmenwn noikokyriwn.

    Wstoso, apo thn pleyra toys oi trapezes epishmainoyn oti oi polites ejyphretoyntai kanonika, enw dieykrinizoyn oti yphrjan kapoia problhmata kata tis prwtes hmeres efarmoghs toy nomoy kaqws den eixe oloklhrwqei h enhmerwsh oloy toy proswpikoy poy ergazetai stis trapezes.

    Ejalloy, shmera Tetarth (15/09) o proistamenos ths Genikhs Grammateias Katanalwth (GGK) Dhm. Spyrakos qa synanthqei me ekproswpoys trapezwn kai katanalwtikwn organwsewn prokeimenoy na syzhthqei h swsth efarmogh toy nomoy kai na pacoyn oi antidikies metajy twn daneiolhptwn kai twn trapezwn.

    Epishs, h GGK eqese thn perasmenh ebdomada se leitoyrgia eidikh thlefwnikh grammh gia thn paroxh plhroforiwn stoys polites sxetika me thn efarmogh toy nomoy gia th ryqmish twn ofeilwn twn yperxrewmenwn fysikwn proswpwn. H thlefwnikh grammh exei ton ariqmo 80111 97367 (s.s.: poy prokyptei, prosqetontas sto 80111 toys ariqmoys poy antistoixoyn sta grammata XREOS). H thlefwnikh grammh leitoyrgei apo Deytera ews Paraskeyh apo tis 9.00 ews tis 22.00 kai to Sabbato apo 9.00 ews 17.00. H klhsh epibarynetai mono me astikh xrewsh, apo opoydhpote sthn Ellada ki an kalei o katanalwths.

    KEPKA: "Empodia apo tis trapezes sth ryqmish ofeilwn"

    Dekades parapona katanalwtwn-daneiolhptwn oi opoioi epiqymoyn na entaxqoyn, sto Nomo 3869/2010, gia th ryqmish ofeilwn yperxrewmenwn fysikwn proswpwn poy sxetizontai me tis trapezes, dexetai kaqhmerina to KEPKA-Kentro Prostasias Katanalwtwn

    Symfwna me to KEPKA, trapeza arnhqhke na paralabei thn etoimh aithsh toy katanalwth, gia thn ekdosh ths katastashs ofeilwn toy. H aithsh htan symfwnh, me to ypodeigma ths Genikhs Grammateias Katanalwth, alla h trapeza epemeine o katanalwths na ypogracei to diko ths ypodeigma.

    Epishs, trapeza piese katanalwth na kanei diapragmateysh, apeyqeias mazi ths kai xwris na zhtaei thn ypagwgh toy, sto nomo, allh trapeza isxyristhke oti exei egkyklio, apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, Antagwnistikothtas kai Naytilias, oti gia na ginei ryqmish ofeilwn, o katanalwths prepei na apoplhrwsei olh thn ofeilh toy, se 4 xronia enw trapeza zhthse ekkaqaristiko eforias, gia na diastayrwsei to AFM toy katanalwth klp.

    Opws dhlwse sto APE-MPE h Genikh Grammateas toy KEPKA Eyaggelia Kekelekh "yparxei nomos o opoios prepei na efarmostei. Oi trapezes apo thn prwth hmera efarmoghs toy nomoy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata stoys katanalwtes enw h plhroforhsh poy parexoyn ta ypokatasthmata toys einai paraplanhtikh".

    Symfwna me thn k. Kekelekh ayrio Tetarth qa pragmatopoihqei sth Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth syskech me tis trapezes kai tis katanalwtikes organwseis. "Exoyme plhrofories oti oi trapezes arnoyntai na symmetasxoyn. Ean den erqoyn epibebaiwnoyn ola osa legontai oti droyn aneyqyna me arpaktikh symperifora kai epidiwkoyn na parabiasoyn ton nomo. Oi trapezes prepei epiteloys na daneizoyn me ypeyqynothta" anefere h k. Kekelekh.

    EKPOIZW: "Oi trapezes na epideijoyn th deoysa sobarothta"

    Epishs kai h katanalwtikh organwsh EKPOIZW lambanei kaqhmerina dekades kataggelies apo katanalwtes-daneiolhptes gia thn aparadekth antimetwpish poy eixan apo trapezikoys ypallhloys, otan toys kateqesan tis aithseis gia analytikes katastaseis ofeilwn, opws problepei to a. 2 toy N. 3896/2010.

    Symfwna me tis kataggelies, yparxoyn ypokatasthmata trapezwn poy zhthsan xrhmatiko poso, kata plhrh parabash toy nomoy, gia thn ekdosh kai paradosh ths analytikhs katastashs ofeilwn.

    Alles trapezes de dexontai tis aithseis poy toys ypoballoyn oi ofeiletes, tis opoies ws epi to pleiston exoyn promhqeytei apo th Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth, kai toys ypoballoyn sth diadikasia na symplhrwnoyn alles aithseis h toys parapempoyn apo to ena ypokatasthma sto allo. Epishs zhtoyn apo toys katanalwtes ekkaqaristiko eforias h to E9 gia akinhth perioysia.

    Katanalwtria kathggeile oti ypallhlos apo ypokatasthma ths Eqnikhs Trapezas anti gia analytikh katastash twn ofeilwn ths ypedeije na gracei xeirografa se logariasmo toy proiontos to ycos ths ofeilhs.

    "Eimaste anektikoi epeidh einai arxh alla o nomos einai nomos kai prepei na efarmostei" dhlwse sto APE-MPE h proedros ths EKPOIZW Panagiwta Kalpoqarakoy.

    Opws tonise h k. Kalapoqarakoy, oi trapezes, sthn kalyterh periptwsh paroysiazoyn proxeirothta ston tropo diaxeirishs twn aithsewn twn ofeiletwn, sth xeiroterh prospaqoyn na kerdisoyn xrono h kai na apotrecoyn akoma toys katanalwtes apo to na epwfelhqoyn twn pronomiakwn ryqmisewn toy nomoy.

    "Oi trapezes prepei na epideijoyn th deoysa sobarothta, efarmozontas tis diatajeis toy nomoy kai h Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth prepei na epibalei ta apo to nomo problepomena prostima se osa pistwtika idrymata de symmorfwnontai" dhlwse xarakthristika h k. Kalapoqarakoy.

    H k. Kalapoqarakoy ypenqymizei oti prokeimenoy na syndramoyn oi katanalwtikes organwseis sthn prospaqeia ejwdikastikoy symbibasmoy, xreiazontai ta ejhs eggrafa:

    1. Antigrafo analytikhs katastashs ofeilwn efoson prokeitai gia ofeiles pros pistwtika idrymata. Shmeiwnetai oti symfwna me diatajh toy nomoy, oi trapezes einai ypoxrewmenes na apanthsoyn entos pente ergasimwn hmerwn se aithsh toy endiaferomenoy, se kaqe trapeza jexwrista gia analytikh katastash twn ofeilwn, kata kefalaio, tokoys kai ejoda.

    2. Ekkaqaristika Eforias triwn teleytaiwn etwn (antigrafo).

    3. E9 gia akinhth perioysia kai tyxon metaboles ths (antigrafo).

    4. Tyxon loipa dikaiologhtika (problhmata ygeias, anergia ktl).

    INKA: "Oi trapezes kwlysiergoyn"

    Kaqhmerina kai to Institoyto Katanalwtwn (INKA) dexetai plhqos kataggeliwn apo katanalwtes sxetika me thn arnhsh trapezwn na toys xorhghsei bebaiwsh ofeilwn.

    Opws dhlwse sto APE-MPE o proedros toy INKA Giwrgos Lexoyriths oi perissoteres kataggelies aforoyn sthn Eqnikh Trapeza ths Ellados alla kai tis ypoloipes trapezes. To gegonos ayto to INKA to kathggeile sthn Genikh Grammateia katanalwth h opoia anamenetai na epibalei kyrwseis.

    "Prokeitai gia kwlysiergia twn trapezikwn idrymatwn poy prospaqoyn na kerdisoyn xrono h kai na apotrecoyn akoma toys katanalwtes apo to na epwfelhqoyn twn pronomiakwn ryqmisewn toy nomoy. Emeis synistoyme stoys katanalwtes na apeyqynontai mono stis katanalwtikes organwseis kai toys apotrepoyme na apeyqynqoyn stis trapezes".

    ELKEKA: "Oi katanalwtes na mhn dinoyn se kanenan xrhmata"

    Poly liges kataggelies exei dexqei tis teleytaies hmeres to ELKEKA kai opws anefere o proedros Basilhs Lygkas aforoyn kyriws se epithdeioys oi opoioi yposxontai se anypociastoys katanalwtes oti qa mesolabhsoyn gia th ryqmish xrewn twn yperxrewmenwn noikokyriwn kai zhtoyn xrhmata isxyrizomenoi oti ekproswpoyn syllogiko forea.

    Opws xarakthristika anaferei se dhlwseis sto APE-MPE o k. Basilhs Lygkas "Oi katanalwtes prepei na einai poly prosektikoi, na mhn dinoyn se kanenan apolytws xrhmata. Ean pesei kati tetoio sthn antilhch toys qa prepei na to kataggeiloyn wste na akoloyqhsei h nomimh diadikasia, mesw dikaiosynhs. Epishs oi katanalwtes prepei na apeyqynontai apokleistika kai mono se anagnwrismenes enwseis katanalwtwn.".

    To ELKEKA enhmerwnei toys katanalwtes oti o rolos toy mesolabhth, gia th diadikasia toy ejwdikastikoy symbibasmoy, gia th ryqmish twn ofeilwn yperxrewmenwn fysikwn proswpwn, exei anateqei, stoys parakatw:

    - Synhgoro Katanalwth.

    - Epitropes Filikoy Diakanonismoy, stis kata topoys nomarxies.

    - Enwseis Katanalwtwn, poy einai eggegrammenes, sto Mhtrwo, Enwsewn Katanalwtwn ths Genikhs Grammateias Katanalwth.

    - Mesolabhth Trapezikwn - Ependytikwn Yphresiwn.

    Mesolabhths Trapezikwn-Ependytikwn Yphresiwn

    Apo thn pleyra toy, o Mesolabhths Trapezikwn-Ependytikwn Yphresiwn Antwnios Fwskolos milwntas sto APE-MPE epishmainei oti mono kata thn prwth hmera Tetarth 01 Septembrioy efarmoghs toy nomoy 3869/2010 "Ryqmish twn ofeilwn yperxrewmenwn fysikwn proswpwn kai alles diatajeis" yphrjan parapona apo toys katanalwtes poy sxetizontan me to gegonos oti oi trapezes den htan enhmerwmenes gia tis nees ryqmiseis poy isxyoyn me apotelesma na mhn mporoyn na dieykolynoyn toys katanalwtes sthn prospaqeia ryqmishs twn ofeilwn toys.

    Symfwna me ton k. Fwskolo, o Mesolabhths Trapezikwn- Ependytikwn Yphresiwn epikoinwnhse me tis trapezes apo thn prwth mera me thn paraklhsh na yparjei amesh plhrhs enhmerwsh olwn twn ypokatasthmatwn prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyn ton tropo me ton opoio qa xeiristoyn opoiadhpote periptwsh kai oi katanalwtes na epwfelhqoyn twn pronomiakwn ryqmisewn toy nomoy.

    Trapezes: Ejyphretoyntai kanonika oi polites

    Ejyphretoyntai kanonika oi polites poy prosfeygoyn stis trapezes sto plaisio ths efarmoghs toy Nomoy gia ta yperxrewmena noikokyria anaferoyn sto APE-MPE epitelika stelexh megalwn trapezwn.

    Orismena peristatika poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas opws ths arnhshs trapezwn na dexqoyn aithseis gia thn entajh sto Nomo, poly liga se ariqmo, paroysiasthkan mono tis dyo, treis prwtes hmeres ths efarmoghs toy Nomoy kaqws den eixe oloklhrwqei h enhmerwsh oloy toy proswpikoy poy ergazetai stis trapezes.

    H katastash exei omalopoihqei kati poy apotypwnetai kai sto gegonos oti meta thn parodo twn prwtwn hmerwn kai ta sxetika parapona den yparxoyn sxetikes kataggelies sto Grafeio Mesolabhth Trapezikwn kai Ependytikwn Yphresiwn.

    Opws epishmainoyn epitelika stelexh sto APE-MPE, oi trapezes poly prin thn efarmogh to sxetikoy Nomoy exoyn katabalei shmantikes prospaqeies gia na dieykolynoyn megalo ariqmo pelatwn poy antimetwpizei problhmata apoplhrwmhs twn daneiakwn toy ypoxrewsewn na parameinei enhmeros pros amoibaio ofelos toso twn trapezwn oso kai twn daneiolhptwn.

    Sto plaisio ayto exoyn anakoinwsei seira programmatwn gia thn anadiarqrwsh kai anaxrhmatodothsh daneiakwn ypoxrewsewn ths pelateias poy emfanizei problhmata eite me epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs, sygkentrwsh ofeilwn se ena monon proion, epimhkynsh ths periodo xaritos kai seira allwn dieykolynsewn poy meiwnoyn shmantika to synoliko mhnaio poso poy ofeilei na katabalei o daneiolhpths sthn trapeza.

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    [07] Prosoxh sta ...antibiotika

    Mia nea amerikanikh episthmonikh ereyna erxetai na epibebaiwsei oti akoma kai ta fainomenika pio elafra antibiotika mporoyn na diatarajoyn sobara thn isorropia twn mikrobiwn poy zoyn sto entero, meiwnontas ton ariqmo twn "kalwn" mikroorganismwn, gegonos me aprobleptes synepeies gia thn ygeia toy atomoy.

    H meleth, ypo toys Les Nteqlefsen kai Ntehbint Relman toy panepisthmioy Stanfornt ths Kalifornia, poy dhmosieythke sthn epiqewrhsh ths Eqnikhs Akadhmias Episthmwn twn HPA (PNAS), symfwna me to praktoreio Roiter, diapistwse oti ta antibiotika katastelloyn oloklhroys plhqysmoys eyergetikwn mikrobiwn toy enteroy. Se merikes malista periptwseis, o anqrwpos mporei na xreiastei mhnes gia na epanelqei sthn prohgoymenh katastash isorropias twn mikroorganismwn sto stomaxi toy.

    H ereyna ejalloy erxetai na yposthrijei thn xrhsimothta twn legomenwn "probiotikwn" proiontwn, opws to giaoyrti, poy periexoyn zwntanes kalliergeies mikrobiwn.

    Oi ereynhtes melethsan se hmerhsia bash treis eqelontes poy epairnan epi pente meres ena eyrews xrhsimopoioymeno antibiotiko (ciproflaxin) kai, parallhla, ekanan elegxoys DNA gia na broyn poia mikrobia zoysan sto entero twn eqelontwn. Oi episthmones diapistwsan oti h drash toy antibiotikoy panw sta mikrobia toy enteroy htan "baqia kai grhgorh". Mia ebdomada meta th lhjh ths qerapeias me to antibiotiko, oi mikrobiakes koinothtes eixan men arxisei na epanerxontai sthn arxikh toys katastash, alla h ananhch toys syxna den htan plhrhs.

    H nea meleth erxetai na prosteqei se mia seira oloena ayjanomenwn episthmonikwn stoixeiwn apo diafores ereynes poy deixnoyn oti oi anqrwpoi, kaqws kai alla zwa, exoyn mia symbiwtikh sxesh me ta bakthria kai alloys mikroorganismoys, se megalo baqmo amoibaia epwfelh. Ta "kala" mikrobia toy enteroy bohqane sthn xwnech ths trofhs, enw syxna diwxnoyn ta "kaka" mikrobia apo to swma.

    To anqrwpino entero einai ena apo ta pio polyploka oikosysthmata ston planhth mas, symfwna me toys amerikanoys ereynhtes kai metajy allwn ephreazei thn paxysarkia, tis allergies, tis molynseis apo ioys, tis poikiles flegmones k.a. Ta antibiotika fernoyn anastatwsh se ayto to allhlejartwmeno oikosysthma kai bohqane sthn ejaplwsh anqektikwn mikrobiwn, kaqws kai sthn metafora apo genia se genia gonidiwn anqektikwn sta antibiotika. "Kaqe qerapeia me antibiotika einai ena akoma rijimo toy zarioy", anaferoyn oi ereynhtes, kaqws ena "kako" stelexos mikrobioy mporei na bohqietai na antikatasthsei ena "kalo" stelexos.

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    [08] H "qeia Agkaqa"

    Me to nomo twn piqanothtwn den perna hmera, poy na mhn diabazetai apo kapoion anqrwpo se kapoia gwnia toy planhth. To koino ths ariqmei disekatommyria opadoys, poy ananewnontai m' enan monadiko tropo apo pappoy se gio ki apo gio se eggono, oso ta dhmioyrghmata ths typwnontai kai janatypwnontai sta piesthria toy kosmoy. Sxedon gonidiaka metadidetai h fhmh ths, akomh ki an ekeinh exei perasei apo kairo sth sfaira ths aiwniothtas. Ti shmasia exei; Ta biblia ths einai edw kai synthroyn ton myqo ths.

    San shmera, ekaton eikosi xronia pisw, sto Ntebon ths Agglias gennhqhke to koritsi, poy emelle na ginei h dhmofilesterh syggrafeas toy planhth. Ekeinh poy "kyoforhse" kai efere panhgyrika ston kosmo ton Hraklh Poyarw kai th Mis Marpl. H Mairh Klarisa Agkaqa Miler, h aplws Agkaqa Kristi.

    H "mastorissa" toy astynomikoy myqistorhmatos, poy fwtise ton dromo katopinwn dhmioyrgwn toy eidoys, pote den qa peqanei. Einai ayto to kati sto synarpastiko syggrafiko ths stil, poy kaqhlwnei, poy kanei fanatiko opado ths, apo th meleth toy prwtoy kiolas biblioy ths, kaqe neo anagnwsth ths.

    To megalo ainigma den einai ayto, poy paroysiazei sthn plokh kaqe biblioy ths. Einai h diadromh toy diaxronikoy myaloy ths, h syndyastikh skech ths, oi eyrhmatikoi xarakthres ths. Einai h idia h Agkaqa Kristi.

    "H grafh ths einai eqistikh. San narkwtiko, poy se ypnwtizei. Einai adynato na diabaseis to prwto biblio ths kai na mhn anazhthseis ta epomena. Einai adynaton na jekinhseis ena biblio ths kai na to afhseis prin ftaseis sthn teleytaia toy selida", htan to apotelesma sxetikh ereynas, poy diejhxqh sthn Agglia. To sigoyro einai pws se opoio koino ki an apeyqynotan h sygkekrimenh ereyna, to idio apotelesma qa eixe. Giati h Agkaqa Kristi einai Agglida monon sto lhjiarxeio toy NtebonbŠ H "qeia Agkaqa" einai o "dikos anqrwpos" toy kaqe spitioy se oles tis hpeiroys toy kosmoy.

    Egrace synolika 80 myqistorhmata kai sylloges dihghmatwn, kai 19 qeatrika erga, poy metafrasthkan kai "paixthkan" sta qeatra pagkosmiws. Sth lista twn parastasewn, poy paroysiazontai gia dekaeties sto Londino, "H Pontikopagida" ths einai h makrobioterh (penhnta kai pleon xronia "paizetai", me enallassomeno, asfalws, kast hqopoiwn) kai to fainomeno ths proseleyshs toy kosmoy san se premiera katagrafetai kaqe brady. Sto londreziko periodiko "TimeOut", opoy ebdomadiaiws paroysiazontai oi krathseis gia kaqe parastash, sthn Pontikopagida ta propwlhmena eisithria einai "mexri Deyteras Paroysias"! To sygkekrimeno ergo grafthke apo thn Agkaqa to 1947 gia ta geneqlia ths basilissas kai ws shmera exoyn perasei apo to qeatro, opoy ejelissetai h plokh toy, perissoteroi apo 12 ekatommyria qeates. Kai oxi tyxaia, an skeftei kaneis pws ta erga ths exoyn metafrastei se 70 kai pleon glwsses kai monon h Biblos kai o Oyiliam Saijphr exoyn poylhsei perissotera antitypa.

    Ta perissotera, de, apo ta biblia ths exoyn metaferqei ston kinhmatografo me terastia epityxia kai exoyn ginei thleoptikes seires, kyriws apo to BBC, opoy proballontai apo to 1984 ews shmera.

    Ta egklhmata sto Orian Ejpres kai ston Neilo, to diplo egklhma katw ap' ton hlio, oi deka mikroi negroi, to retro sthn omixlh, o dolofonos toy Rotzer Akroynt kai tosa alla sthn aenah timhtikh toys, loiponbŠ

    Me thn aformh twn 120 xronwn apo th gennhsh soy, qeia Agkaqa, polyxronh sth skech mas kai sth zwh mas.

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