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The Hellenic Radio (ERA): News in Greek, 08-12-09

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From: The Hellenic Radio (ERA) <www.ert.gr/>

PERIEXOMENA

  • [01] Ekklhsh gia eqnikh enothta
  • [02] Ston anakrith oi dyo astynomikoi
  • [03] Gonatizoyn kai oi oikonomies kolossoi
  • [04] `` Einai emfanes, oti prepei na yparjei mia diakommatikh synennohsh.''
  • [05] Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs, boyleyths toy PASOK.
  • [06] H Politeia prepei na kybernhqei kai emeis leme oti prepei na kybernhqei diaforetika
  • [07] `` Den einai dynaton kapoies omades na einai etsi organwmenes kai diktywmenes, wste na mporoyn na kat
  • [08] `` To kratoys dikaioy, traymatisthke baqytata me th dolofonia toy 15xronoy maqhth.''

    [01] Ekklhsh gia eqnikh enothta

    Se neo mhnyma toy to brady ths Triths, o prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs, tonise oti: "Se aytes tis krisimes wres, h proklhsh einai jekaqarh: Na qwrakisoyme to dhmokratiko politeyma apenanti sth bia akraiwn omadwn. Gi' ayto h eqnikh enothta einai ayth th stigmh to xreos olwn mas. Sto plaisio ayto toy xreoys eixa shmera diadoxikes synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, toys Arxhgoys twn Koinoboyleytikwn Kommatwn kai ton Proedro ths Boylhs. Katesthsa safh th qesh moy oti oloi osoi prokaloyn biaiothtes kai bandalismoys einai exqroi ths Dhmokratias. Zhthsa apo toys politikoys Arxhgoys na katadikasoyn aperifrasta tis prajeis aytes.

    Einai eyqynh, toso ths Kybernhshs, oso kai toy synoloy twn politikwn dynamewn na yparjei amesa koinwnikh kai politikh apomonwsh twn stoixeiwn ths bias, ths paranomias, ths antidhmokratikhs symperiforas. Zhthsa thn anabolh twn sygkentrwsewn. Einai eyqynh kai twn syndikalistikwn organwsewn, meta thn epimonh toys na pragmatopoihsoyn ayrio sygkentrwseis, me endexomeno na ekmetalleytoyn akraies omades toys agwnes twn ergazomenwn gia th synexish ths biaihs, ths katastrofikhs drashs toys. Den mporei oyte oi agwnes twn ergazomenwn, oyte o adikos qanatos enos neoy, na sygxeontai me prajeis poy strefontai enantion ths asfaleias twn politwn, enantion twn perioysiwn toys, enantion ths koinwnias kai ths Dhmokratias. Einai qemites kai sebastes oi politikes diafores poy exoyn ta kommata, sta polla, mikra kai megala zhthmata poy apasxoloyn ton topo. Ofeiloyme omws oloi na thrhsoyme eniaia stash apenanti se paranomes prajeis. Ofeiloyme na katadikasoyme aperifrasta, me kaqaro logo kai oxi me misologa th bia, th lehlasia, toys bandalismoys, th diasaleysh ths koinwnikhs eirhnhs poy epixeireitai apo tis omades aytes. Ayth h enothta sthn apomonwsh twn akraiwn stoixeiwn einai eyqynh, einai xreos olwn mas. S' aytes tis wres, den xwroyn kommatikes antidikies kai proswpika eimai apofasismenos na mhn tis parakoloyqhsw. Genikeyseis kai isopedwtikoi aforismoi sto onoma ths Dhmokratias plhttoyn thn idia th Dhmokratia. H Kybernhsh antimetwpizei ta gegonota me thn ypeyqynothta, thn cyxraimia kai thn apofasistikothta poy apaitoyn oi peristaseis. Me kentriko gnwmona thn prostasia ths anqrwpinhs zwhs, thn apokatastash toy aisqhmatos asfaleias twn politwn, thn ejasfalish ths nomimothtas".

    Apo to Peristeri opoy phre meros se ekdhlwsh eirhnikhs diamartyrias apenanti sth bia, o proedros toy PASOK Giwrgos Papandreoy dhlwse: "Kaname mia diamartyria enantia sth bia kai xwris bia. Ekfrazoyme, eimai sigoyros, th megalh pleiochfia toy Ellhnikoy laoy, poy aisqanetai kai orgh gia th dolofonia, alla kai apaitei mia kybernhsh poy eggyatai thn prostasia twn politwn, eggyatai thn prostasia twn dikaiwmatwn kaqe anqrwpoy, eggyatai mia eynomoymenh Politeia, ena kratos Dikaioy.Ekfrazoyme th megalh pleiochfia toy Ellhnikoy laoy, poy qelei mia anqrwpinh koinwnia dhmokratias, eirhnhs, xwris bia. Emeis jeroyme oti mporoyme na eggyhqoyme mia Dhmokratia me anqrwpia, me sigoyria, me asfaleia kai, mesa ap' aytes tis dhmokratikes diadikasies, na lynoyme ta problhmata mas xwris bia, xwris tetoies antiparaqeseis, tis opoies blepoyme shmera. Exei terastia eyqynh h kybernhsh, terastia eyqynh, poy afhnei aytes tis ejelijeis na ektylissontai, me tropo poy dhmioyrgoyn mia eikona gia th xwra mas, poy mas diasyrei dieqnws. Emeis eimaste edw na dwsoyme thn apanthsh. Kai thn dinoyme shmera, mesa ap' ayth thn hsyxh, dhmokratikh, anqrwpinh ekdhlwsh, mia ekdhlwsh gia ton Alejandro, mia ekdhlwsh gia th Dhmokratia".

    Se dhlwseis toy sto BBC WORLD SERVICE RADIO o G. Papandreoy dhlwse metajy allwn oti: "Aisqanomai, omws, oti ayta poy eidame einai mono h koryfh toy pagoboynoy, mias krishs poy mastizei thn Ellada, logw ths apotyxias ths kybernhshs. Den zhtw thn paraithsh ths kybernhshs mono twra. Th zhtw edw kai eji mhnes. Synepws, den einai h prwth fora kai den einai mono ejaitias ayths ths krishs. Biwsame, dystyxws, mia krish qesmwn, parembashs sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs, ek meroys ths kybernhshs. Eixame kroysmata ektetamenhs diafqoras se ola ta ychla klimakia ths kybernhshs. Kai eixame, bebaiws, kai mia oikonomikh krish, poly prin mas plhjei h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish. Ayto katarrakwse thn empistosynh, thn ajiopistia ths kybernhshs. Kai ayth einai mia katastash poy mporei na exei peraiterw anejelegktes ejelijeis. Kai yparxei dhmokratikos tropos antimetwpishs katastasewn opws ayth. Yparxei ena shmeio, opoy zhtas apo ton kosmo na apofasisei kata poson empisteyetai ayth thn kybernhsh h oxi. Kai den nomizw oti ayth h kybernhsh exei thn empistosynh toy Ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto einai ena apo ta basika problhmata poy antimetwpizei twra h Ellada. Exoyme mia kybernhsh poy leitoyrgei me daneiko xrono, qa elega, giati o laos qelei mia allagh".

    To grafeio Typoy toy KKE sxoliazontas to diaggelma toy prwqypoyrgoy ejedwse thn akoloyqh anakoinwsh: "To KKE qa kanei to xreos toy. H ayrianh apergia kai diadhlwsh ths ergatikhs qelhshs prepei na einai mazikh, apofasistikh, perifroyrhmenh. To tajiko ergatiko kinhma qa breqei sth qesh toy. Oles kai oloi ayrio stis 10:30 to prwi sthn Omonoia".

    Eidhsh: 16496

    [02] Ston anakrith oi dyo astynomikoi

    Thn Tetarth odhgoyntai enwpion toy enatoy taktikoy anakrith oi dyo eidikoi froyroi poy kathgoroyntai gia th dolofonia toy 15xronoy maqhth. Wstoso, opws anaferei o synhgoros toys, Alejhs Koygias, oi kathgoroymenoi qa apologhqoyn mono otan oloklhrwqei h proanakritikh diadikasia kai qa toys gnwstopoihqoyn ta eyrhmata twn episthmonikwn analysewn. Dhladh ths iatrodikastikhs, tojikologikhs kai ballistikhs ejetashs.

    Eidhsh: 16498

    [03] Gonatizoyn kai oi oikonomies kolossoi

    Baqainei h yfesh stis megales oikonomies toy kosmoy kai epideinwnetai h katastash stis agores.Apo pantoy balletai h pragmatikh oikonomia. Kolossoi klonizontai symparasyrontas dekades xiliades ergazomenoys.Panw apo 40.000 einai o ariqmos twn anergwn sthn amerikanikh dhmosiografia. H etaireia SONY, poy den antexei toys oikonomikoys klydwnismoys, anakoinwse 8.000 apolyseis, alla, to megalo kanoni -symfwna me ton brabeymeno me to fetino nompel oikonomias, Pwl Kroygkman- qa proelqei apo tis amerikanikes aytokinhtobiomhxanies.Oi Taims ebalan ypoqhkh toys 25 orofoys toy oyranojysth sto Manxatan, gia na ejasfalisoyn daneio swthrias.

    H Geroysia stis Hnwmenes Politeies fainetai oti egkrinei to sxedio diaswshs twn kolosswn toy aytokinhtoy me 15 disekatommyria dolaria, "poso aspirinh" lene polloi analytes, gia na antimetwpistei to problhma toys.

    Qetika antilambanontai stis Hnwmenes Politeies tis diples oikonomikes ejaggelies. To sxedio gia thn anagennhsh twn dhmosiwn ergwn to megalytero edw kai miso aiwna, alla kai to paketo twn 15 dis. dolariwn gia th swthria ths amerikanikhs aytokinhtobiomhxanias.

    Oles oi ptyxes ths epixeirhshs prepei na teqoyn sto trapezi prokeimenoy na sigoyreytoyme oti den bazoyme kala xrhmata se kati kako kai axrhstos, leei o amerikanos Proedros Tzwrtz Mpoys.

    Antiqeta, o brabeymenos me to Nompel Oikonomias Pol Kroygkman emfanizetai idiaitera apaisiodojos, kaqws qewrei oti h amerikanikh biomhxania aytokinhtwn pneei ta loisqia, enw pisteyei oti oi kratikes energeies kai ta xrhmata sthn agora einai aplws dwron adwron, kaqws h krish exei baqies rizes.

    Peraiterw epibradynsh ths amerikanikhs oikonomias problepei o OOSA kai h anakamch den anamenetai prin apo ta telh toy epomenoy etoys.

    H Eyrwph elpizei na anasanei paramones Xristoygennwn. Oi treis magoi -opws apokalese o eyrwpaikos typos toys Mpraoyn Sarkozi kai Mparozo- analambanoyn kai pali prwtoboylies en ocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs, mhpws kai allajoyn to klima.

    Pantws, o proedros ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas Zan Klwnt Trise apokleiei nea meiwsh twn epitokiwn sth zwnh toy b¬ mexri to telos Ianoyarioy.

    Synexisei na kerdizei "pontoys" to $Ypoxwrhse kata to trexon 24wro to eyrw enanti toy dolarioy twn HPA, an kai den eleican oi metaboles, yper toy enos h toy alloy nomismatos, enw diarkoysan oi synedriaseis kai h proskairh anodos, gia paradeigma, toy eyrw sto 1,3001 dolario.

    Pantws, stis 21:00 wra Elladas diamorfwqhke isotimia eyrw ison me 1,2928 dolario apo 1,2952 dolario xqes Deytera, me taseis enisxyshs ths qeshs toy eyrw molis egine gnwsto to apotelesma twn prosynedriakwn synallagwn sto Xongk Kongk kai th Sigkapoyrh.

    As shmeiwqei oti to eyrw ypoxwrhse shmera ws to 1,2797 dolario, opws kai h ypoxwrhsh toy enanti toy iapwnikoy gen ews ta 118,97 gen apo 120,16 gen xqes.Oi diafwnies kybernhsewn, anaforika me to proteinomeno apo ton proedro ths Epitrophs Manoyel Ntoyrao Mparozo sxedio anakamchs sthn eyrwzwnh gia to 2009, opws kai h apaisiodojh prooptikh gia thn anaptyjh sthn eyrwzwnh toy xronoy, para thn ejasfalisqeisa "swthria" megalwn oikonomikwn monadwn ths, askoyn megalh piesh twra sto eniaio eyrwpaiko nomisma, symfwneitai.

    Ejalloy, "yparxoyn kefalaia ta opoia apoxwrhsan apo ta xrhmatisthria kai twra poy h ychlh metablhtothta ekleipei, epanerxontai se ayta", sxoliase o xrhmatisths Tzei Mpraisen ths amerikanikhs trapezas "Baxobia".

    Prokeimenoy peri ths enisxyshs toy dolarioy kai prokeimenoy eidika peri ths analyshs toy "paradojoy", twn arnhtikwn newn gia thn oikonomia HPA kai ths enisxyshs toy amerikanikoy nomismatos, as epishmanqei oti shmantika amerikanika kefalaia "epanapatristhkan", kat' anagkhn, sth dedomenh oikonomikh sygkyria kai "piesh megalh se baros toy dolarioy HPA askeitai pleon, monon meta apo mia "seira statistikwn", poy anazwpyrwnoyn toys foboys gia ton akribh xrono anakamchs ths oikonomias twn HPA".

    Oson afora thn Goyol Strit, sxedon stis 21.30 wra Elladas o deikths barometro Ntaoy Tzooyns ths biomhxanias exane ws pros xqes Deytera -2,38 % [-213 monades kai diamorfwsh sto epipedo twn 8.720], enw apo thn pleyra toy o deikths kyriws prohgmenhs texnologias Nasdaq exane -0,87% [14 monades, diamorfwsh sto epipedo twn 1.558 monadwn].O dieyrymenos "Stantar & Poyr's" me diakymansh shmera ws thn anwterw wra -1,86% diamorfwnotan proswrina stis 892 monadwn, dhladh, xanontas sxedon 17.

    Eidhsh: 16497

    [04] `` Einai emfanes, oti prepei na yparjei mia diakommatikh synennohsh.''

    `` Einai emfanes, oti prepei na yparjei mia diakommatikh synennohsh.''

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs me ton Kyriako Mhtsotakh, boyleyth ths ND:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ti lete eseis; Xqes yphrxe kratos, yphrxe astynomia;''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Ws boyleyths toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy kai orgizomai alla kai ntrepomai. Oloi osoi briskontai sthn ellhnikh epikrateia, apolambanoyn thn apolyth prostasia ths zwhs, ths timhs kai ths eleyqerias toys. Einai emfanes, oti to kratos ayth th basikh ajia den katafere na thn eggyhqei, toylaxiston xqes to brady, dioti katalyqhke kaqe ennoia ennomhs tajhs. Ayto to opoio proexei shmera, einai na prostateysoyme ton Ellhna polith, na prostateysoyme ton magazatora.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Yparxoyn kai politikes eyqynes;''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Bebaiws yparxoyn eyqynes, otan ftanoyme sb ayto to xali.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Askeitai kritikh sthn astynomia, akoma kai apo stelexh ths ND, oti den ekane kala th doyleia ths.''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Einai emfanes oti ayth h bbamyntikhbb- dioti egw den prosypografw ayth th fraseologia- stash ths astynomias, edwse ghpedo stoys gnwstoys-agnwstoys na ta kanoyn ghs madiam. Einai emfanes, oti edw pera prepei na yparxei mia diakommatikh synennohsh. Ean den syzhthsoyme shmera thn arsh toy asyloy, pote qa th syzhthsoyme; Otan qa kaei olh h Aqhna, pia;''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Qa mporoyse ayto, na exei ki ena qesmiko periblhmab¦''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Bebaiws kai qa eprepe na ginei me diakommatikh synainesh.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``b¦ Ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, gia paradeigma;''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Den qa eftana mexri ekei. Den einai armodiothta toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias na to kanei ayto. Alla pantws, me diakommatikh synainesh kai me th symfwnia twn kommatwn ths Aristeras epiteloys. Dioti ta kommata ths Aristeras kai eidika o SYN, epimenoyn na blepoyn mia morfh mono ths wmhs bias.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Polloi askoyn kritikh shmera ston SYN, oti ena kommati twn epeisodiwn jekinhse apo thn poreia toy SYRIZA.''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Bebaiws kai na to pw ki egw. Einai politika aneyqyno apo ena komma na organwnei mia poreia se bradinh wra se ayto to klima, thn opoia den mporei h den qelei na perifroyrhsei. Den lew oti ftaiei o SYN gia ta epeisodia, alla lew oti ayth h stash einai mia politika aneyqynh stash. Epi ths oysias, aytes oi kinhseis rixnoyn ladi sth fwtia.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` To bbden mporeibb poy eipate apb to bbden qeleibb, exei terastia diafora.''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Ean den mporei, na mhn organwnei poreies. Kanw ekklhsh kai sth GSEE, enocei ths ayrianhs megalhs apergias, na epanejetasei- opws hdh to exei kanei me megalh wrimothta- ean prepei na ginei me th shmerinh sygkyria megalh poreia sto kentro ths Aqhnas.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Eseis lete pws oxi; Prepei na anablhqei;''

    K. MHTSOTAKHS: `` Einai kati, poy prepei na syzhthqei.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ektimate oti pame se ekloges; Ektimate oti pame se alles logikes oikoymenikhs kybernhshs, opws grafei shmera h Kaqhmerinh; Qa hqela to sxolio sas.''

    Eidhsh: 16492

    [05] Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs, boyleyths toy PASOK.

    `` To PASOK den mporei para na epizhtei mia nea laikh entolh gia na mporesei o topos na epanelqei se mia poreia anakamchs kai anaptyjhs.''

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph ``Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs e ton Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, boyleyth toy PASOK:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Poio einai to sxolio sas gia ayta poy parakoloyqhsame tis teleytaies hmeres sthn Aqhna, alla kai se alles poleis kai to zhtoymeno einai pws epanerxetai h hremia kai h tajh jana sthn polh; Xqes zhsame mia empolemh katastash.''

    M. XRYSOXOIDHS: `` Yparxei mia koinwnikh ekrhjh apo to xwro ths neas genias. Kata thn gnwmh moy, ayth den exei ws aitia thn dolofonia toy atyxoy paidioy, toy Alejandroy, ayto einai h aformh. H aitia einai poly pio shmantikh kai exei na kanei me to terastio koinwniko zhthma me thn ennoia oti h shmerinh nea genia kindyneyei na zhsei xeirotera apo thn prohgoymenh. Ta adiejoda einai megala, isws eimaste oloi aifnidiasmenoi apo ayto, alla dystyxws, eimaste kai ypeyqynoi gia ayto me thn ennoia den kaname oles tis megales allages sto oikonomiko kai ekpaideytiko systhma ths xwras, etsi wste na aporrofhsei to systhma mas, h xwra, ta paidia, gia ta opoia ginontai megales dapanes kai dystyxws, briskoyn thn porta ths agoras ergasias kleisth kai kyriws ayto poy briskoyn kleisto einai to mellon kai h prooptikh ths elpidas. Yparxei mia apelpisia. To deytero zhthma exei na kanei me to sygkekrimeno symban ths dolofonias enos paidioy, to gegonos oti apo thn wra ekeinh exei aytokatarghqei to kratos kai afoy aytokatarghqhke to kratos symbainoyn kai ayta poy synebhsan aytes tis meres.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Mporoyn ta politika kommata na synennohqoyn, na dromologhsoyn koines politikes, koines draseis, wste na epanelqei h hremia kai h tajh stis poleis;''

    M. XRYSOXOIDHS: `` Thn kinhtopoihsh ayth den thn kanoyn ta kommata, dystyxws, egw qa hqela na thn kanoyn ta kommata thn kinhtopoihsh me thn ennoia o politikos kosmos na ekfrasei thn koinwnia. Thn kanei h koinwnia, thn kanei h neolaia. Se oti afora tis eknomes symperifores, qelw na sas pw oti katarxhn exei aytokatarghqei to kratos. Profanws, h kybernhsh exei ena enoxiko syndromo. H kybernhsh aytokatarghse to kratos kai thn astynomia. Ta kommata, pragmati, prepei na kanoyn mia ekklhsh gia hremia, wstoso prepei na yparjei kratos, poy shmainei oti prepei na prostateytoyn h dhmosia kai h idiwtikh perioysia kai h koinwnikh eirhnh, h opoia diasaleyetai ejaitias toy gegonotos oti den yfistatai, den yparxei poyqena kanena epixeirhsiako sxedio gia na antimetwpisei ayth thn krish.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Mporei na teqei se efarmogh o nomos gia thn katastash poliorkias; Prepei na apofasistei kati tetoio;''

    M. XRYSOXOIDHS: `` Oxi, bebaia, me tipota, den xreiazetai. Den einai ta pragmata toso ekrhktika, wste na ftasoyme ekei. Einai poly aplo, o ypoyrgos eswterikwn kai oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi na kaqisoyn katw se ena trapezi kai na antimetwpisoyn kai politika kai epixeirhsiaka ayth thn krish kai se synergasia me ta kommata bebaiws. Yparxoyn empeiroi anqrwpoi sthn astynomia, as xrhsimopoihqoyn, toys opoioys kata kairoys exoyn kynhghsei oi kybernwntes kai na teleiwnoyme me aythn thn ypoqesh. H qewria ths synwmosias einai poly prosfilhs. Ayta den exoyn na kanoyn me thn pragmatikothta. Einai asteia na legontai ayta, giati ypotimoyn kai thn nohmosynh mas. Xreiazetai ena epixeirhsiako sxedio, organwmeno apo thn pleyra twn arxwn asfaleias ths xwras, ayth einai h doyleia toys, na prostateysoyn tis perioysies.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Xqes o k. Eyqymioy sthn ekpomph toy Nikoy Xatzhnikolaoy elege oti ena kommati twn taraxopoiwn syndeetai me tis yphresies toy kratoys. To pisteyete;''

    M. XRYSOXOIDHS: `` Den ta pisteyw ayta ta pragmata, oydepote ta pisteca kai oydepote symbainoyn tetoia pragmata. Ayta mporei na synebainan prin apo kapoia xronia, oxi twra. Den kanoyme kalo stoys polites me to na enoxopoioyme tis arxes. Ekeino, to opoio kanoyme kako, dystyxws, se sxesh me tis arxes einai ayta, ta opoia eginan epi ND ta teleytaia xronia, dhladh h nomikh bia, o aytarxismos, telika oi dolofonies, telika h logikh twn praitorwn, telika to jylo stoys metanastes kai olo ayto to fainomeno, to opoio pragmatika den yphrxe ta teleytaia xronia, eixe stamathsei kai oi kales sxeseis ths koinwnias me thn astynomia, oi opoies xalasan pali.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Akoyw para polla senaria apo xqes to brady gia ekloges mexri kai gia oikoymenikh kybernhsh. Qa hqela mia apanthsh, ena sxolio.''

    M. XRYSOXOIDHS: `` Mia einai h lysh stis dhmokraties.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Lete gia ekloges dhladh.''

    Eidhsh: 16491

    [06] H Politeia prepei na kybernhqei kai emeis leme oti prepei na kybernhqei diaforetika

    `` H Politeia prepei na kybernhqei kai emeis leme oti prepei na kybernhqei diaforetika, se allo plaisio, se allh kateyqynsh me alles arxes, me alles ajies.'' Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Akrws radiofwniko kai aporrhto'' me ton Takh Saranth.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs me ton Petro Eyqymioy, boyleyth toy PASOK:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Exw analogistei polles fores, mhpws kati caxname; Caxname thn aformh, thn aitia;...''

    P.EYQYMIOY: `` Ayto einai gegonos, oti otan sobei mia koinwnikh krish, einai pia tyxaio gia poio logo kai me poia aitia qa ekdhlwqei, me poia aformh -gia na eimai pio akribhs-. Ayth h dolofonia enos 15xronoy einai kati poy jeperase toso poly kaqe systhma apodoxhs, wste fainetai oti ayto htan to katalytiko stoixeio gia na yparjei ayth h ekrhjh ths soboysas krishs, mias krishs oikonomikhs, koinwnikhs, -apo kaqe apoch- mia krish poy qetei megala zhthmata gia oloys mas kai nomizw perissotero gia th nea genia.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Telika poio einai ayto to problhma; Exete diatelesei kai ypoyrgos Paideias kata to parelqon...''

    P.EYQYMIOY: `` Yparxei to ejhs: meta ton polemo, to mono sigoyro poy yphrxe einai oti oi paroyses genies eniwqan oti toylaxiston ta paidia toys qa zhsoyn kalytera -kai ligo poly ayto htan mia alhqeia.- Dhladh an skeftoyme thn Ellada kai ton ypoloipo kosmo -thn Eyrwph kai Amerikh- eimaste sth fash poy gia prwth fora exoyme thn ypocia, an oxi thn bebaiothta oti oi nees genies qa zhsoyn xeirotera apo toys paterades. Kati to opoio einai diplh ekrhjh, h men nea genia niwqei oti thn perimenei ena poly pio dyskolo mellon apo to paron to opoio exei kai gia emas oloys sthn hlikia twn pateradwn einai h pio megalh apogohteysh na niwqoyme mesa sthn ellhnikh oikogeneia strimwgmenoi oso pote kai na niwqoyme oti den yparxei diejodos kai gia ta paidia mas. Ayto einai pisteyw to ekrhktiko mhnyma kai ayto symbolisthke se mia prajh poy edeixne oti to kratos poy prepei na einai o eggyhths kapoiwn agaqwn oplizei ton anqrwpo, o astynomikos - poy einai eggyhths ths zwhs, ths perioysias, ths asfaleias twn politwn-, ton kaqista ektelesth ths zwhs. Kai ekei jespase kai to oikonomiko kai to koinwniko kai to hqiko stoixeio ths krishs poy soboyse sthn koinwnias mas. Etsi toylaxiston to antilambanomai kai gia ayto pisteyw oti prepei na diafylajoyme ayta ta xarakthristika, giati einai fanero oti jefyge pia h katastash. Ayta poy zhsame xqes kai proxqes den einai mono h ekrhjh twn politwn kai ths neas genias, einai fainomena poy jeperasan kata poly thn leitoyrgia twn qesmwn ths Politeias kai nomizw oti den htan mono pia oi koykoyloforoi, htan kaqe fysews pliatsikologoi poy dhmioyrghsan ayto to xaos, opws kai h elleich kaqe morfhs kybernhtikhs eyqynhs sthn antimetwpish aytwn twn peristatikwn.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Shmera eixame thn omilia toy koy Papandreoy sth koinoboyleytikh omada toy PASOK, opoy oysiastika eipe, ``thn etymhgoria na th dwsei o laos.'' Zhtate ekloges;''

    P.EYQYMIOY: `` Nomizw oti ayto poy eipe o proedros toy PASOK einai to aytonohto. Ayth h kybernhsh exei hdh paraithqei. Dhladh ayth th stigmh zoyme kati prwtofanes, toylaxiston sta 35 xronia ths metapoliteyshs kaneis den mporei na qymhqei kati analogo. Oti einai mia kybernhsh h opoia apexei ths diakybernhshs, apexei twn kybernhtikwn eyqynwn. Otan o laos eklegei mia kybernhsh anaqetei se ayth th kybernhsh th diaxeirish kai twn prwteyontwn kai twn deytereyontwn stoixeiwn ths zwhs toy. Kai edw diakybeyontai ola mazi kai exeis mia kybernhsh poy den yparxei. Ayto to keno diakybernhshs, to keno dhladh ths ennomhs Politeias, h opoia parembainei kai diafylassei ta dhmosia agaqa, den exei janashmeiwqei pote. Ara den einai qema zhtame ekloges, einai anapofeykto oti h Politeia prepei na kybernhqei kai emeis leme oti prepei na kybernhqei diaforetika, se allo plaisio, se allh kateyqynsh, me alles arxes, me alles ajies.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ekloges omws ayth th stigmh -jexwra apo otidhpote allo- den shmainei kai paragrafh ths ypoqeshs toy Batopedioy;''

    P.EYQYMIOY: `` Einai profanes oti, an h ND den apodexqei -to aytonohto gia oloys- aithma, na diereynhqei akoma parapera h skoteinh ayth ypoqesh, efoson prokhryjei ekloges xwris na exei systaqei h proanakritikh epitroph, ayto qa synista paragrafh. Gia ayto nomizw oti einai hqiko xreos ths kybernhshs, efoson hdh exei egkataleicei ta panta- na mhn egkataleicei ayth thn pleyra, dhladh oti den mporoyn na paramenoyn tetoies ekkremothtes kai tetoia zhthmata sto skotadi.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Na sas eyxaristhsw poly gia th synomilia.''

    P.EYQYMIOY: `` Eyxomaste kai elpizoyme na petyxoyme ayto poy h Ellada ajizei, mia kalyterh kai ajioprepesterh zwh gia oloys.''

    Eidhsh: 16490

    [07] `` Den einai dynaton kapoies omades na einai etsi organwmenes kai diktywmenes, wste na mporoyn na kat

    ANNA CAROYDA MPENAKH, prwhn proedros ths Boylhs:

    `` Den einai dynaton kapoies omades na einai etsi organwmenes kai diktywmenes, wste na mporoyn na katastrefoyn ton isto ths polhs.''

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Giati synebhsan ola ayta; Poia einai h dikh sas proseggish; O qanatos toy 15xronoy, oi katastrofes sthn Aqhna, alla kai se alles poleis ths Ellados. Poia einai h ejhghsh gia ola ayta;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Einai ena gegonos, poy den xwraei to myalo toy anqrwpoy. Ti ejhghsh na sas dwsw; Ola mporei na symbainoyn. Einai ejairetika anhsyxhtiko to fainomeno poy paroysiase h Aqhna. Den einai dynaton kapoies omades- poy den mporei na einai pleon agnwstes, giati aytes droyn xronia twra kai einai diaxroniko to fainomeno- na einai etsi organwmenes kai diktywmenes, wste na mporoyn na katastrefoyn ton isto ths polhs me tetoia eykolia kai me tetoia mania.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ti shmainei ayto; Pws metafrazetai ayto poy lete;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Htan etoimes organwmenes kai ejoplismenes, gia na kanoyn ayta poy ekanan.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Lete oti o qanatos toy paidioy, htan h aformh gia na ginoyn osa eginan kai oxi h aitia;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den nomizw oti aytes oi ekdhlwseis me ton typo poy eginan kai me ton tropo poy ejelixqhkan, den mporei ennoiologika na syndeontai me ton qanato toy paidioy.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Arketoi sigociqyrizoyn mexri stigmhs gia ena sxedio poy plhttei thn kybernhsh, ena organwmeno sxedio, to opoio stoxeyei kateyqeian sthn kardia ths kybernhshs. Yioqeteite eseis mia tetoia proseggish h einai entelws ayqaireth;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Oti yparxei ena sxedio poy kapoy stoxeyei, bebaiws, etsi fainetai toylaxiston, alla den mporw na dexqw oti exoyne stoxo mono thn kybernhsh. To fainomeno, einai diaxroniko.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ektimate oti aytes oi epiqeseis stoxeyoyn kateyqeian sthn omalothta, thn dhmokratia; Den htan mia aganakthsh, ena jespasma orghs poy proerxetai apo to qanato enos mikroy paidioy;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Oxi, den einai toso aplo to qema. Mporei na stoxeyoyn sthn katalysh ths dhmokratias, sthn yponomeysh ths xwras kai se poly sobaroteroys stoxoys, apb o,ti einai na rijoyn mia kybernhsh. Kaneis den mporei na jerei, ean yparxoyn egkefaloi kai poy edreyoyn gib ayth thn istoria.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Pws enas astynomikos pairnei to pistoli sta kala kaqoymena apb o,ti diafanhke kai apb o,ti katagrafetai se martyries kai shmadeyei kai pyrobolei ena 15xrono;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Ayto einai asyllhpto. Den einai dynaton, na stoxeyeis ena neo paidi epeidh proseblhqhs.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Gia mia magkia egine ayth h istoria;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den to apokleiw kaqoloy, dioti aytoy toy eidoys h nootropia kykloforei kai profanws kykloforei kai stoys kolpoys ths astynomias.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Pws paidia kai paidia kalwn oikogeneiwn, brizoyn toys astynomikoys kai to qewroyme fysiologiko kai synhqismeno; Pws kaigontai perioysies kai ayto to qewroyme san ena fysiko fainomeno kai sxedon to apodexomaste;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Mporoyn na to kanoyn ayto ta paidia, alla den einai ta paidia poy mpainoyn mprosta gia na kanoyn ayta. Ta bazoyn ta paidia mprosta, gia na proklhqoyn aytes oi entaseis.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Mhpws edw epedrasan kai alla pragmata; Gia paradeigma oikonomia, anasfaleia, abebaiothta gib ayto poy erxetai, Batopaidi kai ola ayta leitoyrghsan swreytika kai pyrodothsan ena jespasma;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Egw den pisteyw oti aytes oi omades poy symperiferontai kata ayto ton tropo, exoyn eilikrinh problhmatismo gia ta problhmata ths xwras.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Yparxoyn eyqynes gib ayto poy egine sthn Aqhna, alla kai stis alles poleis; Pws katalogizontai an yparxoyn aytes oi eyqynes kai pws epimerizontai;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den einai eykolo, na bgaloyme symperasmata gia eyqynes. Eyqynes, prepei na yparxoyn. Twra to pws katanemontai aytes, einai poly epipolaio na syzhtoyme thn epomenh h enw trexei ena ejairetika dysaresto, mia diamorfwsh pragmatwn poy den mporoyme kai kala-kala na thn katalaboyme. Oti oi eyqynes yparxoyn, yparxoyn kai yparxoyn diaxronika aytes oi eyqynes.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Anamfibola to Batopaidi, eplhje thn eikona ths kybernhshs kai ths ND. Para polloi lene oti ayto poy synebh me ton 15xrono, endexomenws na einai ena moiraio plhgma gia thn kybernhsh. To apodexeste, to yioqeteite;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Einai ena megalo problhma, enas stayros gia thn kybernhsh.''

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

    Th synenteyjh ayth mporeite na th breite kai sthn istoselida ths ERT: www.ert.gr

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Giati synebhsan ola ayta; Poia einai h dikh sas proseggish; O qanatos toy 15xronoy, oi katastrofes sthn Aqhna, alla kai se alles poleis ths Ellados. Poia einai h ejhghsh gia ola ayta;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Einai ena gegonos, poy den xwraei to myalo toy anqrwpoy. Ti ejhghsh na sas dwsw; Ola mporei na symbainoyn. Einai ejairetika anhsyxhtiko to fainomeno poy paroysiase h Aqhna. Den einai dynaton kapoies omades- poy den mporei na einai pleon agnwstes, giati aytes droyn xronia twra kai einai diaxroniko to fainomeno- na einai etsi organwmenes kai diktywmenes, wste na mporoyn na katastrefoyn ton isto ths polhs me tetoia eykolia kai me tetoia mania.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ti shmainei ayto; Pws metafrazetai ayto poy lete;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Htan etoimes organwmenes kai ejoplismenes, gia na kanoyn ayta poy ekanan.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Lete oti o qanatos toy paidioy, htan h aformh gia na ginoyn osa eginan kai oxi h aitia;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den nomizw oti aytes oi ekdhlwseis me ton typo poy eginan kai me ton tropo poy ejelixqhkan, den mporei ennoiologika na syndeontai me ton qanato toy paidioy.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Arketoi sigociqyrizoyn mexri stigmhs gia ena sxedio poy plhttei thn kybernhsh, ena organwmeno sxedio, to opoio stoxeyei kateyqeian sthn kardia ths kybernhshs. Yioqeteite eseis mia tetoia proseggish h einai entelws ayqaireth;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Oti yparxei ena sxedio poy kapoy stoxeyei, bebaiws, etsi fainetai toylaxiston, alla den mporw na dexqw oti exoyne stoxo mono thn kybernhsh. To fainomeno, einai diaxroniko.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ektimate oti aytes oi epiqeseis stoxeyoyn kateyqeian sthn omalothta, thn dhmokratia; Den htan mia aganakthsh, ena jespasma orghs poy proerxetai apo to qanato enos mikroy paidioy;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Oxi, den einai toso aplo to qema. Mporei na stoxeyoyn sthn katalysh ths dhmokratias, sthn yponomeysh ths xwras kai se poly sobaroteroys stoxoys, apb o,ti einai na rijoyn mia kybernhsh. Kaneis den mporei na jerei, ean yparxoyn egkefaloi kai poy edreyoyn gib ayth thn istoria.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Pws enas astynomikos pairnei to pistoli sta kala kaqoymena apb o,ti diafanhke kai apb o,ti katagrafetai se martyries kai shmadeyei kai pyrobolei ena 15xrono;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Ayto einai asyllhpto. Den einai dynaton, na stoxeyeis ena neo paidi epeidh proseblhqhs.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Gia mia magkia egine ayth h istoria;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den to apokleiw kaqoloy, dioti aytoy toy eidoys h nootropia kykloforei kai profanws kykloforei kai stoys kolpoys ths astynomias.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Pws paidia kai paidia kalwn oikogeneiwn, brizoyn toys astynomikoys kai to qewroyme fysiologiko kai synhqismeno; Pws kaigontai perioysies kai ayto to qewroyme san ena fysiko fainomeno kai sxedon to apodexomaste;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Mporoyn na to kanoyn ayto ta paidia, alla den einai ta paidia poy mpainoyn mprosta gia na kanoyn ayta. Ta bazoyn ta paidia mprosta, gia na proklhqoyn aytes oi entaseis.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Mhpws edw epedrasan kai alla pragmata; Gia paradeigma oikonomia, anasfaleia, abebaiothta gib ayto poy erxetai, Batopaidi kai ola ayta leitoyrghsan swreytika kai pyrodothsan ena jespasma;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Egw den pisteyw oti aytes oi omades poy symperiferontai kata ayto ton tropo, exoyn eilikrinh problhmatismo gia ta problhmata ths xwras.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Yparxoyn eyqynes gib ayto poy egine sthn Aqhna, alla kai stis alles poleis; Pws katalogizontai an yparxoyn aytes oi eyqynes kai pws epimerizontai;''

    A. MPENAKH: `` Den einai eykolo, na bgaloyme symperasmata gia eyqynes. Eyqynes, prepei na yparxoyn. Twra to pws katanemontai aytes, einai poly epipolaio na syzhtoyme thn epomenh h enw trexei ena ejairetika dysaresto, mia diamorfwsh pragmatwn poy den mporoyme kai kala-kala na thn katalaboyme. Oti oi eyqynes yparxoyn, yparxoyn kai yparxoyn diaxronika aytes oi eyqynes.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Anamfibola to Batopaidi, eplhje thn eikona ths kybernhshs kai ths ND. Para polloi lene oti ayto poy synebh me ton 15xrono, endexomenws na einai ena moiraio plhgma gia thn kybernhsh. To apodexeste, to yioqeteite;''

    Eidhsh: 16456

    [08] `` To kratoys dikaioy, traymatisthke baqytata me th dolofonia toy 15xronoy maqhth.''

    FWTHS KOYBELHS, koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos toy SYRIZA:

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

    Th synenteyjh ayth mporeite na th breite kai sthn istoselida ths ERT: www.ert.gr

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai an symfwneite me thn proseggish toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, oti o qanatos toy nearoy yphrje trayma sth leitoyrgia toy kratoys dikaioy.''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Anamfisbhthta, nai. To kratoys dikaioy, traymatisthke baqytata me th dolofonia toy 15xronoy maqhth. Apodeiknyetai oti den exei ejasfalisei ekeinh th dhmokratikh symperifora, poy ofeiloyn na exoyn ta organa ths tajhs otan askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. H drash toys na arxizei kai na teleiwnei sto syntagmatiko plaisio, sto plaisio ths nomimothtas, me staqerh anafora ton sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` To akoyw kyriws apo toys boyleytes ths ND, ayta ta fainomena poy zhsame tis dyo teleytaies hmeres, ektimoyn oti periorizoyn tis atomikes eleyqeries twn politwn, dhmioyrgoyn synaisqhmata foboy kai anasfaleias kai yponomeyoyn thn prooptikh mias anoixths koinwnias.''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Einai gegonos oti orgizei, prokalei aganakthsh h dolofonia toy 15xronoy paidioy. Se kamia periptwsh omws, den prepei na symchfizetai me tis biaiopragies kai tis katastrofes, oi opoies eginan sthn Aqhna. Se kamia periptwsh, den dikaiologoyntai oi biaiothtes poy shmanan thn katastrofh katasthmatwn kai allwn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn twn politwn.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ektimate oti o qanatos toy nearoy, einai h aformh h h aitia aytwn twn epeisodiwn;''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Nomizw oti einai h aformh, ta aitia einai polla. H aganakthsh twn newn anqrwpwn swreyetai para polles fores me enan tropo akatergasto, me enan tropo geniko, alla poy pantote aytos o qymos krybei mesa aporrich mias seiras apo zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me thn anyparjia ajiwn, oramatwn. Kapoioi bebaiws ekmetalleyontai ayta ta stoixeia, sta opoia anaferqhka kai me ton diko toys tropo qeloyn na dhmioyrgoyn kai ektropes, alla kai me tis energeies toys na prokaloyn kai arnhtika koinwnika antanaklastika.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Qewreite oti gia paradeigma katastaseis opws h anasfaleia, h anergia, endexomenws kai to Batopaidi droyn swreytika ayta ta gegonota;''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Swreyontai kai dhmioyrgoyn thn apajia, dhmioyrgoyn thn apostash twn politwn kai idiaitera twn newn anqrwpwn apo ayto poy onomazoyme leitoyrgia toy kratoys kai leitoyrgia ths koinwnias.''

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph `` Prwth Selida'' me ton Qano Siafaka.

    Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai an symfwneite me thn proseggish toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, oti o qanatos toy nearoy yphrje trayma sth leitoyrgia toy kratoys dikaioy.''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Anamfisbhthta, nai. To kratoys dikaioy, traymatisthke baqytata me th dolofonia toy 15xronoy maqhth. Apodeiknyetai oti den exei ejasfalisei ekeinh th dhmokratikh symperifora, poy ofeiloyn na exoyn ta organa ths tajhs otan askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. H drash toys na arxizei kai na teleiwnei sto syntagmatiko plaisio, sto plaisio ths nomimothtas, me staqerh anafora ton sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` To akoyw kyriws apo toys boyleytes ths ND, ayta ta fainomena poy zhsame tis dyo teleytaies hmeres, ektimoyn oti periorizoyn tis atomikes eleyqeries twn politwn, dhmioyrgoyn synaisqhmata foboy kai anasfaleias kai yponomeyoyn thn prooptikh mias anoixths koinwnias.''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Einai gegonos oti orgizei, prokalei aganakthsh h dolofonia toy 15xronoy paidioy. Se kamia periptwsh omws, den prepei na symchfizetai me tis biaiopragies kai tis katastrofes, oi opoies eginan sthn Aqhna. Se kamia periptwsh, den dikaiologoyntai oi biaiothtes poy shmanan thn katastrofh katasthmatwn kai allwn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn twn politwn.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Ektimate oti o qanatos toy nearoy, einai h aformh h h aitia aytwn twn epeisodiwn;''

    F. KOYBELHS: `` Nomizw oti einai h aformh, ta aitia einai polla. H aganakthsh twn newn anqrwpwn swreyetai para polles fores me enan tropo akatergasto, me enan tropo geniko, alla poy pantote aytos o qymos krybei mesa aporrich mias seiras apo zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me thn anyparjia ajiwn, oramatwn. Kapoioi bebaiws ekmetalleyontai ayta ta stoixeia, sta opoia anaferqhka kai me ton diko toys tropo qeloyn na dhmioyrgoyn kai ektropes, alla kai me tis energeies toys na prokaloyn kai arnhtika koinwnika antanaklastika.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: `` Qewreite oti gia paradeigma katastaseis opws h anasfaleia, h anergia, endexomenws kai to Batopaidi droyn swreytika ayta ta gegonota;''

    Eidhsh: 16454


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