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The Hellenic Radio (ERA): News in Greek, 12-05-04

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From: The Hellenic Radio (ERA) <www.ert.gr/>

PERIEXOMENA

  • [01] D. Reppas: ``Ola einai reysta''
  • [02] Stis Dhmokraties yparxoyn adiejoda; Apantoyn A. Kaklamanhs kai B. Polydwras

    [01] D. Reppas: ``Ola einai reysta''

    Dieceyse tis fhmes poy kykloforoyn gia mystika gkalop, milwntas sth NET FM o Dhmhtrhs Reppas, tis opoies kai xarakthrise ws anypostates. Parallhla, ekane logo gia megalh episfaleia, kai apedwse th reystothta poy yparxei ston entono problhmatismo poy deixnei na exei o kosmos. Erwthqeis sxetika, epishmane oti to endexomeno epanalhptikwn eklogwn qa einai epizhmio gia th xwra, idiws, opws dieykrinise, se mia periodo poy den exoyme periqwrio na xasoyme oyte lepto. O ypochfios boyleyths toy PASOK sth B' Aqhnwn, tonise oti prepei na yparjei mia koinwnikh pleiochfia, poy qa prosferei plhrh dhmokratikh nomimopoihsh sthn kybernhsh poy qa prokycei, ypogrammizontas taytoxrona thn anagkh mias kybernhshs me periexomeno kai me sygkekrimeno programma. Epanelabe thn protash poy ekane to PASOK, gia ena eqniko sxedio anasygkrothshs ths xwras, to opoio, opws ejhghse, einai ena kybernhtiko sxedio poy yperbainei to periexomeno toy mnhmonioy, enw prosqese oti h ektimhsh poy yphrxe oti to 2011 qa bgainame apo to mnhmonio htan yperbolika yperektimhmenh, ws pros tis dynatothtes ths xwras. ``Den qa ebaza kokkines grammes se ayto to qema. Qa ebaza kokkines grammes sthn politikh poy prepei na askhqei'' shmeiwse xarakthristika, apantwntas ston an qewrei oti prepei na yparxei kokkinh grammh gia to proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ektimhse oti to komma toy den qa antimetwpisei kanena eswteriko problhma, dedomenoy, opws eipe, oti aytes oi ekloges einai oi dyskoloteres poy exoyn ginei apo to 1974. Epipleon, anaferomenos sto epanidrytiko Synedrio poy exei ejaggeilei to PASOK gia ton erxomeno Septembrh, ejefrase thn apoch oti qa einai ena Synedrio gia thn anasyntajh ths eyryterhs dhmokratikhs paratajhs.

    Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph ``Akrws Radiofwniko kai Aporrhto'' me ton Takh Saranth kai ton Panagiwth Tsoytsia.

    Akoloyqei h synenteyjh:

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Exoyme kanena mystiko gkalop'';

    D. REPPAS: ``Oles aytes oi fhmes poy kykloforoyn einai anypostates. Yparxei episfaleia megalh, to lene oi idioi oi ereynhtes twn etaireiwn, doqentos oti den symmetexei o kosmos o opoios kaleitai na dwsei apanthseis se diafora erwthmata h apantaei me enan tropo poy einai olofanero oti den antapokrinetai stis pragmatikes pepoiqhseis toy. Den gnwrizw oyte ena dhmoskopo poy na mporei me asfaleia na pei oti ``ayth einai h problech moy''. Ola einai reysta. Nomizw oti to teleytaio dihmero, ayrio kai meqayrio, qa einai kaqoristiko. Qa elega oti exei gia to eklogiko apotelesma kai tis diergasies kai zymwseis poy qa ginoyn, tosh shmasia, isws kai megalyterh, apo osh oles oi prohgoymenes meres mazi''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Ayto den einai anhsyxhtiko'';

    D. REPPAS: ``H ychlh reystothta deixnei oti o kosmos exei enan entono problhmatismo. Enw einai gnwsto oti, an chfize me krithrio thn pikria poy exei gi' ayta ta opoia ezhse, qa chfize me enan tropo aporriptiko gia to PASOK kai th N.D., den to kanei. Problhmatizetai loipon, giati yparxei kai h epomenh mera. Gi' aythn thn epomenh mera, synaisqanomenos thn krish poy mporei na prokycei an den einai eykolo h xwra na staqeropoihqei politika, giati h politikh staqerothta einai stoixeio poy enisxyei kai thn oikonomikh staqerothta, o poliths problhmatizetai gia thn chfo toy kai pisteyw oti thn teleytaia stigmh qa kanei mia epilogh eyqynhs''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Pisteyete oti h epomenh mera qa ferei Kybernhsh'';

    D. REPPAS: ``Ayto qa to pei o ellhnikos laos. An o ellhnikos laos me thn chfo toy dwsei mia safh kateyqynsh gia thn xwra, qa einai pio eykolo h Boylh kai oloi oi boyleytes na apokwdikopoihsoyn ayto to mhnyma kai na kanoyn tis kinhseis ekeines kai na paroyn tis antistoixes prwtoboylies gia na sxhmatistei h Kybernhsh poy qelei o ellhnikos laos. Jerei o ellhnikos laos poia kommata einai ayta poy diekdikoyn thn chfo toy kai gnwrizei, epishs, an ta kommata ayta exoyn th dynatothta programmatikhs symfwnias. An chfisei etsi wste na mhn epitygxanetai o sxhmatismos Kybernhshs mesw programmatikwn sygklisewn, tote einai san na mas leei oti prepei h xwra na paei se epanalhptikes ekloges. Qa einai epizhmio gia thn xwra kati tetoio, idiws se mia periodo poy den exoyme periqwrio na xasoyme oyte lepto''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``An o ellhnikos laos me thn chfo toy dwsei mia kateyqynsh synergasias, dyo h triwn kommatwn, qa paroyn to mhnyma ta kommata h qa poyn p.x. oti qeloyme thn politikh nomimopoihsh h kati allo'';

    D. REPPAS: ``H pleiochfia prepei na einai, oxi mia koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia typikoy typoy, alla mia pleiochfia poy sthrizetai se mia prohghqeisa laikh pleiochfia. Mia koinwnikh pleiochfia, poy prosferei plhrh dhmokratikh nomimopoihsh sthn Kybernhsh poy qa prokycei''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Sthn proeklogikh periodo den prokyptei pantws ayto poy lete kai den prokyptei kai apo ayta poy lene oi politikoi arxhgoi''.

    D. REPPAS: ``Anamenoyme loipon thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Mia kybernhsh poy einai xrhsimh gia ton topo me safes programma, einai mia Kybernhsh me periexomeno, gia na exei kybernhsimothta h xwra. Den qeloyme loipon mia Kybernhsh aplws gia to sxhma ths Kybernhshs, aplo perityligma, alla qeloyme mia Kybernhsh poy exei sygkekrimeno programma. To PASOK epeidh einai sto kentro ths kommatikhs gewgrafias kai diaqetei pleonekthma, mporei na to epityxei. Dhladh, na epityxei sygkliseis programmatikes, me dynameis kai dejia mas kai aristera mas, wste na sxhmatistei mia tetoia Kybernhsh. Alla ola ayta, prepei na ta syzhtoyme bebaiws, na kanoyme tis ektimhseis mas, alla den logariazoyme xwris ton jenodoxo lao. Ayto prepei na einai safes''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``An o jenodoxos laos ferei etsi ta apotelesmata wste to mhnyma pros to PASOK einai ``synergasoy me th N.D.'', alla exei dwsei kai ena safes probadisma ston k. Samara, se aythn thn periptwsh ti qa kanete; Qa prepei na balete Ypoyrgoys se mia sygkybernhsh h oxi'';

    D. REPPAS: ``Emeis exoyme diatypwsei mia protash, dia stomatos Proedroy mas to perasmeno Sabbato, ena eqniko sxedio anasygkrothshs ths xwras, poy einai kybernhtiko sxedio to opoio yperbainei to periexomeno toy mnhmonioy. Qa elega oti einai to sxedio, poy an efarmostei odhgei sto telos toy mnhmonioy kai ths krishs sto telos toy 2015''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Kai to 2011 qa bgainame apo to mnhmonio''.

    D. REPPAS: ``H ektimhsh ayth htan yperbolika yperektimhmenh ws pros tis dynatothtes ths xwras. Apodeixqhke oti h daneiakh sthrijh gia kapoia xronia akomh eprepe na synexistei giati h Ellada den mporoyse na bgei stis agores. Twra, epeidh exoyme akribws beltiwsh sta dhmosionomika megeqh, exoyme mia prosarmogh 22 dis. eyrw -tote ayto den diafainotan- mporoyme na miloyme, giati entwmetajy exei episymbei h apofash toy Oktwbrioy kai h diapragmateysh poy meiwse kata poly to dhmosio xreos kai beltiwse tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys gia thn thrhsh twn ypoxrewsewn mas. Ola ayta mas kanoyn na mporoyme na ektimhsoyme kalytera toys xronoys se sxesh me toys stoxoys. Edw to qema einai oti to PASOK paleyei gia thn prwtia. An o ellhnikos laos pei to PASOK qa parei thn prwtia, wraia qa paroyme tis prwtoboylies poy eipa. An dwsei thn prwtia sth N.D. emeis qa doyme poia qa einai ta pososta poy exoyn ta kommata, giati asfalws epeidh eipa prin oti prepei na yparxei dhmokratikh nomimopoihsh sth bash ths koinwnias, prepei na doyme: poio einai to pososto toy prwtoy kommatos kai poia einai h diafora anamesa sta dyo kommata kai an prepei na yparjei prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei ayth h dhmokratikh nomimopoihsh me sygkentrwsh twn dynamewn poy exoyn sthn koinwnia panw apo to 50%, an prepei na pame se mia synergasia kai me ena, dyo, tria akomh kommata poy mporei na symfwnhsoyn se enan koino topo. Ola ayta qa ta apofasisei to PASOK me ta Organa toy poy qa synedriasoyn, den prepei na desmeyomaste xwris na gnwrizoyme poia einai ta akribh dedomena''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Kata th gnwmh sas prepei na yparxei kokkinh grammh gia to proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dhladh qa prepei na einai kapoio politiko proswpo kai oxi kapoios texnokraths'';

    D. REPPAS: ``Den qa ebaza kokkines grammes se ayto to qema. Qa ebaza kokkines grammes sthn politikh poy prepei na askhqei. Oson afora sta proswpa, epanalambanw, ta apotelesmata qa mas deijoyn to dromo. Nomizw einai to mikrotero problhma poy qa klhqei na antimetwpisei h epomenh Boylh to qema twn proswpwn. To megalytero problhma einai na prokyptei programmatikh symfwnia, giati ean h xwra den exei mia safh kateyqynsh, mia Kybernhsh me safes programma, antilambaneste oti qa paramenoyme -pali- aixmalwtoi kapoiwn isorropiwn kai qa xanei xrono, anti na ton ajiopoiei. Kai xrono gia xasimo den exoyme. Apo ekei kai pera bebaiws, to qema toy programmatos einai poly shmantiko kai h kokkinh grammh poy qa ebaza egw exei sxesh me ton tropo, me ton opoio prepei na katanemontai ta barh. Enw miloyme synexeia gia na petyxoyme ena dhmosionomiko stoxo poy qa kanei biwsimh th diaxeirish toy dhmosioy xreoys, prepei taytoxronws na miloyme -kai na prajoyme bebaiws antistoixws- gia to pws qa einai biwsimh h diaxeirish ths anergias poy exei parei ekrhktikes diastaseis, pws qa einai biwsimh h diaxeirish ths loyketopoihshs ths agoras poy ki ayth exei parei ekrhktikes diastaseis''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Edw ejartatai kai apo tis Trapezes oi opoies qa prepei na janarijoyn xrhmata sthn agora''.

    D. REPPAS: ``Swsta to lete, me thn anakefalopoihsh twn Trapezwn, opws eipe sto programma poy aneptyje o Proedros mas o Baggelhs Benizelos problepetai ena symfwno reystothtas me thn Kybernhsh, h opoia symbalei, dinei poroys, xrhmata stis Trapezes prokeimenoy ayta na dioxeteytoyn sthn agora. Prepei na spasoyme thn pistwtikh asfyjia, giati alliws den prokeitai na erqei anaptyjh''.

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Kyrie Reppa poio einai to pososto ayto, panw apo to opoio den qa exei eswteriko problhma to PASOK'';

    D. REPPAS: ``To PASOK den qa exei eswteriko problhma, etsi ki alliws, giati gnwrizoyme oti aytes oi ekloges einai oi dyskoloteres poy exoyme kanei apo to 1974. Zhsame analoges synqhkes kommatikhs krishs me oles tis dynameis apenanti mas thn periodo toy '89, qa elega omws oti aytes einai dyskoloteres epoxes giati ayth thn periodo blepw to diko mas kosmo na exei thn pikria ekeinh, h opoia ton kanei na krataei apostash h se kapoio pososto filoi mas polloi exoyn apomakrynqei, aytoi poy mas empisteythkan to 2009. Komma den yparxei xwris th bash toy. Einai to laqos poy kaname. Milwntas sto onoma ths swthrias ths xwras, afhsame ejw apo to kadro to lao. Alla xwra kai laos den diaxwrizontai, einai ena kai to ayto, to ena dinei periexomeno kai empneysh sto allo. An to PASOK qelei na janabreqei sthn koryfh, prepei na perasei apo th bash toy. H diadikasia twn eklogwn dinei ena tetoio rolo poy prepei na paijei to PASOK, na paei sth bash toy pali, na anabaqmistei giati akoloyqei -opws exei ejaggelqei- ena Synedrio syntaktikoy typoy, epanidrytiko Synedrio ton erxomeno Septembrh gia na doyme ta pragmata apo thn arxh. Dioti, apo th Deytera h Ellada den mpainei aplws se mia nea kybernhtikh qhteia, se mia nea koinoboyleytikh periodo, mpainei se ena neo istoriko xrono. Den zoyme mia epoxh allagwn, zoyme thn allagh epoxhs. Ayto synteleitai twra.''

    DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Ayto poy eipate k. Reppa oti ton erxomeno Septembrh einai programmatismeno to syntaktikoy typoy Synedrio toy PASOK, shmainei kai epanidrysh ths dhmokratikhs paratajhs, qa mporoyse'';

    D. REPPAS: ``An ta apotelesmata aytwn twn eklogwn deixnoyn oti yparxoyn dynameis, oi opoies einai ektos toy organwtikoy sxhmatos toy PASOK me tis opoies mporoyme programmatika na sygklinoyme kai na taytistoyme, nomizw oti exei endiaferon ayto poy qetete ws qema. Kai nai, pisteyw oti qa einai ena Synedrio gia thn anasyntajh ths eyryterhs dhmokratikhs paratajhs, me dynameis poy htan sto PASOK kai twra exoyn apoxwrhsei , me dynameis poy den htan pote sto PASOK kai mporoyn mazi mas na apotelesoyn ena neo politiko asterismo kai me dynameis, idiws ths newterhs genias poy twra mpainoyn sthn politikh den exoyn istorikh mnhmh, den exoyn biwmata, den mporoyn na kanoyn tis epiloges toys mesw ths meqodoy twn sygkrisewn kai ajiologoyn ta pragmata me bash aythn th sygkyria. Alla h sygkyriakh ajiologhsh twn politikwn pragmatwn, pisteyw oti den einai orqos tropos giati h istoria einai ejairetika didaktikh kai den prepei na to paragnwrizoyme ayto''.

    Prosqetes Plhrofories

    Phgh: NET FM

    Reportaz:

    Epimeleia: Banessa Dhmopoyloy

    Antapokrish:

    Teleytaia tropopoihsh stis Paraskeyh, 04 Maioy 2012 18:37

    Eidhsh: 11167

    [02] Stis Dhmokraties yparxoyn adiejoda; Apantoyn A. Kaklamanhs kai B. Polydwras

    Apostolos Kaklamanhs

    Erwthqeis gia to an stis Dhmokraties yparxoyn adiejoda o Apostolos Kaklamanhs parathrhse oti oxi mono yparxoyn adiejoda alla kai gkremoi.

    Fysikotata yparxoyn kai adiejoda yparxei kai gkremos ston opoio odhgeitai mia Dhmokratia, otan aytoi poy exoyn thn prwth eyqynh kai ekproswpoyn toys polites alla kai otan ena shmantiko meros twn politwn den syneidhtopoioyn to rolo kai thn eyqynh toys gia th leitoyrgia twn dhmokratikwn qesmwn.

    Einai gnwsth, symplhrwse, h ypoqesh ths dhmokratias ths Baimarhs.

    O Apostolos Kaklamanhs ekane epishs logo gia neopagh kommata kai parathrhse oti ``allh einai h aisqhsh enos kommatos poy exei kybernhsei kai exei kanei kai laqh kai h allh h aisqhsh eyqynhs enos eleyqeroy skopeyth ''

    Byrwn Polydwras

    Me thn apoch toy Apostoloy Kaklamanh, symfwnhse apolyta o B. Polydwras prosqetontas oti qa prepei na ``syneidhtopoihsoyme oti eimaste en mesw krisews''.

    Oti maqame apo thn politikh mas propaideia htan synqhkes hremias kai kanonikes shmeiwse prosqetontas oti ``exoyme ektaktes synqhkes kai qa prepei na doyme na doyme poia einai ta politika epidiwkomena ths koinoboyleytikhs dhmokratias ''

    Pantws den einai, opws symplhrwse, ayth h polyfwnia poy qeloyme na kanoyme areth enw einai xabra.

    Kai an petyxoyn aytes oi epidiwjeis twn mikrwn kommatwn qa exoyme diamorfwsei proypoqeseis akybernhsias.

    Den apofasizei o laos xwris skopo, den einai eidwlolatria h Dhmokratia, lew loipon sto lao, proseje na bgaleis ena apotelesma poy qa odhghsei se kybernhsh kai oxi se akybernhsia.

    Kata ton idio, ``den xwrei amfibolia oti h akybernhsia einai o proqalamos gia th diaspash ths koinwnikhs eirhnhs kai synoxhs''

    H akybernhsia prosqese, den giatreyei thn krish, alla thn epideinwnei. H akybernhsia einai peirasmos gia ton exqro na xtyphsei symplhrwse

    Parallhla, parathrhse oti ta nea kommata poy exoyn emfanisqei den einai kaqoloy nea, oyte oson afora sta proswpa oyte se oti fernoyn.

    Den yparxoyn parqenogeneseis kai na mhn emfanizetai kanenas ws neos giati ayto einai ceytikh taytothta shmeiwse xarakthristika.

    Prosqetes Plhrofories

    Phgh: ert.gr

    Reportaz:

    Epimeleia: A. Pasxalinoy

    Antapokrish:

    Teleytaia tropopoihsh stis Paraskeyh, 04 Maioy 2012 13:54

    Eidhsh: 11130


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