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Simitis - Evert Debate (part1)

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From: Macedonian Press Agency <mpa@philippos.mpa.gr>

H THLEOPTIKH ANAMETRHSH SHMITH-EBERT (MEROS 1o)

Ekatommyria thleueates parakoloyuoyn ayth th stigmh thn thleoptikh antiparauesh anamesa ston prvuypoyrgo kai proedro toy PASOK K.Shmith kai ston proedro ths ND Miltiadh Ebert.

Prokeitai gai thn prvth paromoia antiparauesh tvn arxhgvn tvn dyo megalvn kommatvn olvn tvn epoxvn.

Apantvntas sthn prvth ervthsh poy toy ypeballe o k.Papoytsanhs kai h opoia aforoyse sth allagh strathgikhs poy yiouethse to PASOK meta thn enarjh ths proeklogikhs periodoy o k.Shmiths eipe:

Ervthsh 1: Kyrie Proedre kata thn enarjh ths proeklogikhs periodoy taxuhkate yper toy hpioy politikoy klimatos, epikrinate malista kai thn arnhtikh diafhmish. Edv kai liges meres exete allajei strathgikh. O k. Ebert einai pleon gia sas ekofiths, o laos den prepei na jexasei ti einai dejia kai orismena stelexh sas kathgoroyn ton k. Tsobola gia diaspasth, prodoth k.l.p. Prepei na sas rvthsv : pros ti h allagh ayths ths taktikhs; Mhpvs diapistvnete oti oi chfoforoi diaxeontai pros alla kommata kai uelete na toys epanaferetai pisv kai epistrefontas stis palies taktikes;

Apanthsh: Den exoyme allajei kauoloy taktikh. H taktikh mas einai panta mia taktikh anaptyjhs epixeirhmatvn, anaptyjhs uesevn. Ueloyme na paroysiasoyme ston ellhniko lao poio einai to programma mas. Ueloyme na deijoyme ta epixeirhmata mas kai na ton peisoyme na eruei mazi mas. Kai ayto giati, gia na pragmatopoihsoyme to programma mas xreiazetai symmetoxh. Kai an den yparjei ensyneidhth symmetoxh toy ellhnikoy laoy tote den ua petyxoyme. Alla ayto den shmainei oti den prepei na epishmainoyme sthn diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy, poia fainomena xarakthrizan thn ellhnikh politikh zvh sto pareluon, ti htan ekeino to opoio diekrine thn antipalh paratajh ths Neas Dhmokratias, giati h ellhnikh ejelijh kauysterhse kai poia htan ta kyria xarakthristika ths synthrhtikhs politikhs. Kai ena tetoio kyrio xarakthristiko ths synthrhtikhs politikhs htan oti den apokatesthse, den provuhse thn dhmokratia s' ayto ton topo sto metro poy ua eprepe. Yphrxan omades ths neolaias ths N.D., oi gnvstoi "Kentayroi", oi gnvstoi "Re=FAtzers", oi opoioi xrhsimopoioysan alysides, xtypoysan kosmo, xtypoysan toys antifronoyntes synexizontas mia palia paradosh, thn opoia eixe arxisei h synthrhtikh paratajh apo tis dekaeties toy '50. Kai o arxhgos ths N.D., o k. Ebert, eixe to 1982 gracei ena gramma pros "Prasinofroyroys", sto opoio gramma apeiloyse ta melh toy PASOK me apolyseis gia th stash thn opoia throysan.

Ervthsh 2: Kyrie Proedre, kathgorhsate ton Prvuypoyrgo ths xvras, ton k. Shmith, gia asynepeia epeidh prokhryje ekloges, env eixe pei oti ua ejantlhsei thn tetraetia. Eseis omvs k.Ebert, otan ekleghkate vs dhmarxos sthn Auhna, eixate desmeyuei oti ua ejantlhsete thn uhteia sas, alla meta mas eipate oti epeidh sas kalei to kauhkon kai o k. Mhtsotakhs profanvs, ua uesete ypochfiothta, pragma kai to opoio kanate. Giati uevreitai ton eayto sas k. Proedre pio syneph apo ton k. Prvuypoyrgo;

Apanthsh: Eyxaristv gia thn ervthsh kai thn eykairia gia thn opoia moy dinete. Pragmati eixa desmeyuei oti ua parameinv gia tessera xronia dhmarxos kai ayth einai h pragmatikothta, ayth einai h alhueia. Paremeina omvs epta xronia gia thn akribeia dhmotikos symboylos sto Dhmo ths Auhnas kai pragmatopoihsa to ergo poy yposxeuhka ston auhna=FAko lao ej' oloklhroy. To ergo poy egine s' ayta ta epta xronia einai terastio, einai prvtofanes. Alla ua huela na krinoyme thn synepeia kai thn asynepeia. Otan les oti ua yparxoyn kalyteres meres stis ekloges toy 1985 kai erxetai h ypotimhsh toy nomismatos, erxetai to "pagvma" tvn timvn, tvn misuvn kai tvn hmeromisuivn, erxontai oi dysbastaxtoi foroi, tote eisai synephs. Otan erxesai kai les oti den prokeitai na yposteilv thn ellhnikh shmaia se kamia periptvsh kai thn epomenh hmera yposteleis thn ellhnikh shmaia eisai synephs; Otan erxesai kai les oti den prokeitai na kanv ekloges kai meta apo enamisy mhna pragmatopoieis ekloges eisai synephs; En pasei periptvsei, emeis den asxoloymeua me tis synepeies kai asynepeies tvn allvn kommatvn. Emeis asxoloymeua me ton ellhniko lao kai den gyrname pisv. Gyrname sto shmera, gyrname sto ayrio. Peinaei o ergaths, peinaei o syntajioyxos, agvnia o anergos, o agroths blepei na xanetai kai epishs kai o biotexnhs exei terastia problhmata me to kleisimo tvn epixeirhsevn. Ayta einai ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn ton ellhniko lao. Dioti an pame sto pareluon, h apanthsh ua einai oti h Nea Dhmokratia yphrje to komma tvn megalvn eunikvn epilogvn. Yphrje to komma poy enetaje thn Ellada sthn Eyrvph. Einai to komma to opoio eixe 34% sto A.E.P. kai eftase sto 130% to xreos. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

Ervthsh 3: Ti akribvs kanate bhma pros bhma

Ebert: Ti proergasia ua kaname gia na mhn katalhfuei to nhsi. Giati ekei einai to problhma.Prvta apo ola ua dv an yparxei krish sthn Toyrkia. Jeroyme oti kaue foira poy h Toyrkia exei kapoia krish bgazei pros ta ejv ta problhmata ths. Kai jerame me thn Imia oti briskontai pro politikhs krisevs. Deyteronden ua phgaina na anebasv th shmaia kai to polemiko naytiko sthn Imia, an hjera ek tvn pragmatvn oti den mporoysa na sthrijh ayth th uesh. Kai uap prokaloysa to dialogo ton katallhlo xrono, ton katallhlo topo kai ton katallhlo tropo gia na antimetvpisv thn katastash. Kai den ua desmeya th Boylh tvn Ellhnvn gia na me xeirokrotei olh thn paramonh oti jerete den prokeitai na ypostelilv th shmaia gia na thn yposteilv ths epomenh. Kai den ua eixa pote enan ypoyrgo ejvterikvn ekeinh thn hmera na leei oti kanei dhmosies sxeseis. Giati h katelyuei h kybernhsh; Giati yphrjan epipolaiothtes tragikles. Poylhuhke h yupouesh ekeino to brady stis 2 mas eipan oi strathgoi. Kai moy to eipan sto Pemt\cymo. Den ua afhname pote na ypostalei h shmaia. Ayto einai dedomeno.

Ervthsh 4 : An eixate na janaxeiristeite thn krish ths Imias, mporeite na mas peite ti den ua kanate;

Shmiths: Ua ekana akribvs ta idia, ta opoia ekana tote. O strathgikos stoxos ths Toyrkias einai na emplejei thn Ellada se mia empolemh diafora, na yparjoyn exuroprajies kai mesa apo tis exuroprajies aytes na epibalei diapragmateyseis. Diapragmateyseis gia ola ta uemata ta opoia uevrei h Toyrkia anoikta. Diapragmateyseis gia tis dieuneis synuhkes poy kauorizoyn thn katastash sto Aigaio. Emeis prepei na apofygoyme tis diapragmateyseis. Emeis prepei na askoyme mia diplvmatia h opoia piezei thn Toyrkia gia na ypoxvrhsei stis apaithseis ths. Emeis prepei me to na dieyrynoyme ta erismata mas se Anatolh kai Dysh, na ejanagkasoyme toys Toyrkoys na mhn uetoyn uemata. Kai ta Imia htan mia prospaueia apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias na yparjei polemos. Na yparjei estv periorismenos polemos, periorismenh anametrhsh gia na mporesei meta na kauhsei mazi mas sto trapezi. Kai ayto apofygame me thn apemplokh. Me thn apemplokh tvn dynamevn sta Imia isxyse meta h katastash h opoia isxye kai prin. Ta Imia htan kai einai ena Ellhniko nhsi. Ta Imia einai ena nhsi, symfvna me tis dieuneis synuhkes, th Synuhkh ths Lvzanhs, th synuhkh thn opoia exei ypogracei h Toyrkia me thn Italia, th Synuhkh poy exei ypogracei sto Parisi h Ellada me thn Italia anhkei sthn Ellada kai ayto ejakoloyuei na isxyei. Loipon pali etsi ua xeirizomastan thn krish. Ua xeirizomastan thn krish etsi vste na mhn yparjei polemikh emplokh. Bebaivs ua pairname kai ola ta aparaithta ekeina metra etsi vste na mhn yparjei apobash Toyrkikvn dynamevn sto nhsi. Eixa dvsei tote entolh sto Geniko Epiteleio Eunikhs Amynas na prolabei tetoia periptvsh, den ejetelesan aytes tis entoles tis opoies eixa dvsei.

Ervthsh 5: Den metanoivnete oyte gia ekeinh th frash poy toso kathgorhuhke, th frash "Eyxaristoyme tis HPA" ua thn janalegate tvra poy jerete oti kai ta aisuhmata kapoivn Ellhnvn eplhje kai epetrece se kapoioys na sas kathgorhsoyn oti exete analabei desmeyseis afaneis tis opoies akoma den exoyn mauei gia eunikoys h alloys logoys.

Shmiths: O Prvuypoyrgos ths xvras prepei na eyxaristei otan prepei kai prepei na kataggelei otan prepei gia na yperaspizete to symferon ths xvras. Gi' ayto kai sto mellon kai ua eyxaristv kai ua kataggelv otan to epiballei to symferon ths xvras. Olo ayto to uema epeidh yparxei kai ena antistoixo spot ths N.D. einai ena uema to opoio ekmetelleyetai h ND logv tvn anamnhsevn poy exoyn oi Ellhnes apo th dikia ths frash, th frash ths synthrhtikhs paratajhs, th stash ths ypodoylhs antimetvpishs tvn HPA. Kapoios Ellhnas politikos ths synthrhtikhs paratajhs eixe sto .... "Idoy o stratos sas" deixnontas ton Ellhniko strato. H stash h dikh moy sth Bouk^ den exei na kanei tipote, ma tipote ma ayth thn pareluoysa stash ths synthrhtikhs paratajhs. H stash h dikia moy sth Boylh einai mia stash h opoia exei skopo na ejyphrethsei to symferon toy eunoys.

Ervthsh 6: Eseis ua janakanate ayto poy kanate ekeinh thn hmera sth Boylh. Ua milagate pali gia prodotes, gia Goydi, ua pairnate pali thn koinoboyleytikh omada kai ua feygate. Prajh h opoia kathgorhuhke apo to idio sas to komma, apo epifanh stelexh, apodokimasthke emprakta diakindyneyontas na xarakthristeite epirrephs se kinhseis dhmagvgikes h kai meivmenhs eyuynhs sto xeirismo leptvn eunikvn uematvn.

Ebert:Egv den milhsa pote gia Goydi. Eseis to lete ayto, den to exv pei egv. Den milhsa oyte gia prodotes. Milhsa gia prajh h opoia aggizei ta oria ths prodosias. Ayth htan h frash h sygkekrimenh. Alla krinete eseis o idios otan o prvuypoyrgos erxetai thn prohgoymenh mera kai leei: "Den ua ypsoteilv th shmaia kai ton xeirokrotoyme kai ton sthrizoyme, kai thn epomenh mera thn ypesteile. Kai eipe oti ua janakatebasei th shmaia an breuei sthn idia periptvsh. Ayth einai h uesh ths kybernhshs. Ayto kata lejh eipe. Kai ti ekane; Anti na analabei apoce thn eyuynh, epirriptei thn eyuynh stis Enoples Dynameis. Den einai prajh gennaiothtas ayth, otan oi Enoples Dynameis mas eipan oti stis dyo h vra eixe kleisei olh h ypouesh, paroysia toy k.Arsenh, o opoios to apodexuhke. Ua sas pv omvs kai kati allo. Ti leme s'aytes tis cyxes tvn trivn pilotvn poy xauhkan ekeino to brady; pvs antidroyme; ti leme s'aytoys toys dyo Kyprioys poy skotvuhkan; toys leme oti eimaste etoimoi na yposteiloyme th shmaia; alla einai eykolo na to leei ayto o k.Shmiths. Giati o k.Shmiths exei gracei ena biblio, gia thn politkh kai th strathgikh toy PASOK, opoy xarakthrizei oti einai synthrhtismos, palaiokommatismos h anarthsh ths shmaias sta sxoleia. selida 64. Ayth einai h antilhch kai h nootropia. Ayth thn nootropia kai thn antilhch den mporv na thn katalabv. En pasei periptvsei einai prvtaulhths o k.prvuypoyrgos o k.Shmiths, oti ypoxrevuhkame na xasoyme ekeino to brady. Kai oi synepeies jerete poies einai. Meta apo treis mhnes oi Toyrkoi diekdikoyn ekato nhsides kai braxonhsides. Synepvs to uema mas den htan aplvs kai mono ta Imia, htan h synexhs diekdikhsh tvn Toyrkvn.

Ervthsh 7:Milhsate gia mia atzenta ellhnotoyrkikvn diaforvn, poy ua katartistei. Kai milhsate epishs gia mia syskech arxhgvn tvn balkanikvn kratvn gia thn atzenta. De xreiazetai dialogos gia na katartisuei ayth h atzenta, kyrie Proedre; ua pate se dialogo me thn Toyrkia gia na ftiajate mia atzenta; kai deytero s'ayta ta balkanika krath tvn opoivn ua syskefuoyn oi arxhgoi ua kalesete ta Skopia; kai an ta kalesete vs ti ua ta kalesete kyrie Proedre; vs Makedonia;

Ebert: O k.Shmiths eyriskomenos stis Hnvmenes Politeies milhse gia synomilies bhma pros bhma kai prosdiorise ta dyo prvta bhmata. H uesh h dikh mas einai oti prepei na ]weir mprostas soy ola ta problhmata otan prokeitai na syzhthseis me opoiondhpote. Eite me thn Toyrkia, eite me opoiondhpote trito. De mporeis na syzhthseis se kamia periptvsh ta anafaireta dikaivmata ths eunikhs anejarthsias kai ths akeraiothtas ths patridas. Prepei na gnvrizeis ola ta uemata apo kei kai pera poy prepei na syzhthseis. Giati de mporeis na jereis poio ua einai to trito, to tetarto, to pempto uema poy au teuei, kata th diarkeia tvn diapragmateysevn. Prepei oi syzhthseis na einai bash ths arxhs tvn dieunvn symbasevn kai tvn symfvnivn poy diepoyn thn perioxh kai bebaivs yparxoyn uemata gia thn yfalokrypida ta opoia ua mporoysan na syzhthuoyn. Den mporoyme na aporricoyme emeis to dialogo. Kai gia th syzhthsh me ta Skopia gia th Balkanikh. Ua th dexomastan vs Fyrom me to onoma poy dieunvs exei.

Ervthsh 8: Mia kai ftasame apo ta Imia sta Skopia k. Proedre ua huela na sas rvthsv gia ton ypoyrgo tvn Ejvterikvn, ton k. Pagkalo. O k. Pagkalos otan den briskotan sto Ypoyrgeio Ejvterikvn eixe mia sygkekrimenh apoch gia ta Skopia, gia thn onomasia toys eixe, kai den apatvmai, eixe taxuei yper ths synueths onomasias. Ua huela na sas rvthsv th uesh sas kai ua uymhuv ton aeimnhsto Andrea Papandreoy, o opoios epekrine ton tote prvuypoyrgo, legontas oti o k. Mhtsotakhs den yperaspizetai svsta thn ypouesh tvn Skopivn, afoy einai mia ypouesh thn opoia prvta apo ola o idios den pisteyei.

Apanthsh: Prvta apo ola ua huela na kanv ena sxolio se kati poy eipe o k. Ebert prin. Eipe oti xasame ellhniko edafos. Ti ua pei ayto; Dhladh anagnvrizei th uesh ths Toyrkias oti ta Imia den einai ellhnika kai oti einai toyrkika; Pvs xasame ellhniko edafos; Den xasame kanena ellhniko edafos kai parakalv na to leei me emfash. Ta Imia einai ellhniko edafos. Opvs epishs kai gia to uema toy dialogoy, edv yparxei mia palia synenteyjh toy opoy rvtate "eseis poioys oroys ua uesete se enan ellhnotoyrkiko dialogo, an ton kanate eseis;" kai apanta o k. Ebert "1on katagrafh tvn problhmatvn kai katagrafh akoma ekeinvn tvn problhmatvn ta opoia einai dysaresta kai den ta syzhtoyme". Dhladh ua kanoyme ena katalogo poy oi Toyrkoi ua uesoyn kai ola ta uemata poy aforoyn ta kyriarxika dikaivmata ths Ellados, ua uesoyn ta uemata ekeina, ta opoia aforoyn to kauestvs tvn nhsivn kai 'meis ua to dexuoyme kai ua arxizoyme na syzhtame. Ayth einai h toyrkikh uesh kai einai sketh katastrofh ua elega. Tvra, oson afora to ervthma me ta Skopia h apanthsh einai oti emeis ejakoloyuoyme na exoyme th uesh opvs th diatypvsame kata thn Endiamesh Symfvnia, yparxei h diapragmateysh, h opoia ginetai ayth th stigmh sth Nea Yorkh, paroysia toy k. Bans apo toys ekprosvpoys ths Elladas kai tvn Skopivn kai h Ellada yperaspizetai th uesh ekeinh, h opoia einai gnvsth oti den prepei na xrhsimopoihuei h lejh "Makedonia" sto onoma toy kratoys aytoy.

Ervthsh 9: Poia uevreitai oti einai h megalyterh adynamia toy k. Ebert an ginei prvuypoyrgos;

Apanthsh: H adynamia toy k. Ebert den m' endiaferei. Emena me endiaferei h adynamia ths Neas Dhmokratias. H adynamia ths N.D. einai oti prvta polla den exei jekauaro oikonomiko kai koinvniko programma. To eidame thn allh fora, to '90, otan allaje treis ypoyrgoys, prvta htan o k. Soyflias ypoyrgos Eunikhs Oikonomias, meta htan o k. Xristodoyloy ypoyrgos Eunikhs Oikonomias kai meta hrue o k. Manos. Allajan treis fores ta epiteleia kai otan hrue o k. Manos gia na dioruvsei ta pragmata, ta opoia eixan ginei prin, epebale ena foro, ayjhse ton foro, o opoios plhrvnetai me thn benzinh gia ta ygra kaysima kata 50 draxmes kai o plhuvrismos phge sta ych. Loipon, ena einai oti den yparxei kati to jekauaro kai ayto fainetai apo tis polles yposxeseis, tis opoies exei dvsei h N.D. tvra gia na kerdisei tis ekloges. O k. Ebert exei yposxeuei oti ua moirasei 1,5 tris draxmes peripoy, 900 dis ta prvta metra kai peripoy 600 dis ta deytera metra. Poy ua brei ayta ta lefta, otan ton akoysate sthn arxh ayths ths syzhthshs, poy mas eipe oti ellhnikos laos peinaei, oti briskomaste se frixta xalia kai an briskomaste se frixta xalia den yparxoyn ta lefta ayta. Loipon, mia lene etsi, mia lene allivs, gia na dhmioyrghsoyn entypvseis. Nomizv oti h Ellada ua paei se lauos kateyuynsh, ua paei sthn kateyuynsh toy pareluontos, dhladh h anaptyjh ua stamathsei, ua einai mia ejelijh opoy sthn pragmatikothta ua briskomaste synexvs se ena telma, to opoio ua prokaleitai apo antikroyomenes politikes kai antikroyomena metra. Opvs p.x. h protash toy k. Ebert na meivsoyme to kratos kata sto 32% toy A.E.P. Shmainei dialysh toy kratoys.

Ervthsh 10: Kyrie Proedre poia uevreitai oti mporei na einai h megalyterh adynamia toy k. Shmith ean epaneklegei prvuypoyrgos;

Apanthsh: Kaue politikos exei to pareluon toy kai krinetai apo to pareluon toy kai apo tis energeies toy. O k. Shmiths exei kriuei se dyo periodoys. H prvth htan vs ypoyrgos Eunikhs Oikonomias. Ypotimhse to nomisma. "Pagvse" toys misuoys kai ta hmeromisuia. Ebale dysbastaxtoys foroys. To 1986 exasan oi ergazomenoi 10 % toy pragmatikoy toys eisodhmatos. To 1987 exasan 7%. Ayth einai loipon h prvth empeiria. H deyterh empeiria: apomakrynuhke nai h oxi perysi sthn Ekuesh Uessalonikhs sthn pragmatikothta apo ton Papandreoy, dioti eixe thn mikroterh aporrofhtikothta kai dioti apetyxe sthn politikh toy sto uema ths apokratikopoihshs. Ayto einai loipon to pareluon. Ayto to pareluon den mporei na erxetai na kanei kritikh. Ayto to opoio ua huela na pv einai oti emeis pisteyoyme oti prepei na yparxei mia taxyryumh oikonomikh anaptyjh me ryumoys panv apo to 5%. Ayta ta opoia exoyme pei oti ua kanoyme ta exoyme eggyhuei kai ua ta kanoyme. Einai teleivs ceydeis aytoi oi ariumoi, oi opoioi anaferuhsan apoce. Kaue bdomada mesa ston paniko to PASOK anebazei kata 100 kai 200 ekatommyria draxmes to kostos tvn osvn exoyme ejaggeilei. Kai ua huela na parathrhsv : k. Shmith apoxvrhse o ekkgmij|r stratos apo to nhsi. Mporeite ayrio na ton pate sta Imia jana;

Ervthsh 11: Oi dhmoskophseis lene oti opoio komma kai an kerdisei, ua kerdisei me mikrh diafora, me xamhlo pososto kai den mporei na elpizei sthn koinoboyleytikh omada poly megalyterh tvn 158 me 160 boyleytvn. Den eiste ypoxrevmenos na dexueite ayth thn ypouesh, alla oytvs h allvs exete pei kai eseis opvs exei pei kai o k. Shmiths oti h Ellada einai se mia dyskolh katastash. Xreiazetai isxyrh, stauerh kybernhsh me eniaia apoch xvris diafores, xvris ta fainomena poy sto pareluon exoyme zhsei kai to '91-'93 kai '93-'96. Kai sas rvtv oti ena koryfaio stelexos toy kommatos sas, o prvhn Prvuypoyrgos, diafvnei mazi sas kai dhlvnei oti den rvthuhke se polla shmeia toy proeklogikoy programmatos. Den rvthuhke kai diafvnei me toys syndiasmoys toy kommatos. Den rvthuhke kai diafvnei me thn synuesh ths meteklogikhs kybernhshs poy exete afhsei na ennohuei oti exete skopo na kanete. Diafvnei kai me thn ektimhsh poy molis diatypvsate gia thn prohgoymenh uhteia toy k. Shmith sto ypoyrgeio Eunikhs Oikonomias. Exei epaneillhmmena pei oti to "kako" PASOK htan poy empodise to staueropoihtiko programma Shmith, allivs ua eixe paei kala. Sas rvtv loipon pvs ua ejasfalisete eniaia, stauerh, isxyrh kybernhsh, otan mia shmantikh merida ths koinoboyleytikhs omadas toy kommatos sas, ths kybernvsas dhladh koinoboyleytikhs omadas ua exei diaforetikes apoceis kai pvs ua epiblhueitai se stelexh me rizika diaforetikes apoceis apo tis dikes sas kai me poly ychloterh dhmotikothta apo esas mesa sthn paratajh, symfvna me tis dhmoskophseis.

Apanthsh: O Ellhnikos laos ua mas chfisei gia ena sygkekrimeno programma poy exoyme katartisei. Kai ayto to programma aparegklitvs ua to efarmosv kai egv kai oloi oi synergates moy. Den nomimopoieitai thn epomenh tvn eklogvn kanenas ypoyrgos, kanena stelexos, oyte o idios o prvuypoyrgos na kanei ena bhma pera apo to programma. To programma ayto to exoyme symfvnhsei oloi mazi kai traboyme panv s' ayth thn kateyuynsh toy programmatos. To problhma den einai ti ua ginei me thn N.D. Egv ua apeyuynuv ston eyrytero politiko xvro. Ua kaloysa ton k. Shmith, opvs eipa na xarajoyme mia eniaia eunikh kai ejvterikh politikh Kai oi programmatikes dhlvseis dyo selidvn ua eprepe na htan grammenes me mia pena. Oyte mple, oyte prasinh, oyte kokkinh, alla me thn ellhnikh pena. Thn pena ekeinh poy ua miloyse pros to ejvteriko kai ua elege oti oloi oi Ellhnes einai envmenoi kai apofasismenoi. Kai ua phgaina mazi me ton k. Shmith, kai ua pav telika pisteyv me ton k. Shmith eite etsi, eite allivs sthn Kypro mazi gia na deijoyme stoys Kyprioys oti eimaste envmenoi. Kai pisteyv akradanta sthn anagkaiothta gia na mporesei na paei mprosta o topos mias eniaias Eunikhs Ejvterikhs kai Amyntikhs Politikhs, enos monimoy ypoyrgoy Ejvterikvn kai apo kei kai pera ua trabhjoyme ena anaptyjiako programma me ryumoys 4 h 5 %, dioti to programma sygklhsevs toy PASOK odhgei me mauhmatikh akribeia sto telos toy aivna sthn ayjhsh ths anergeias sto 15%. Xreiazontai ependyseis apo ton idivtiko tomea, xreiazontai ependyseis apo ton dhmosio tomea kai exei h N.D. kai to stelexiako dynamiko kai ta prosvpa gia na efarmosei ayth thn politikh.

Ervthsh 12: Ayto poy leei o k. Ebert einai poly vraio na to akoys, alla ayto poy exoyme zhsei ta teleytaia 6 xronia kai epi N.D. kai epi PASOK einai oti oxi mono aplvs ta dyo megala kommata den kataferan na symfvnhsoyn kai na sygklinoyn, alla sto esvteriko tvn kommatvn poy kybernoyn oi diafvnies einai tetoies vste na paralyoyn thn kybernhtikh drash. Eiste 8 mhnes Prvuypoyrgos, ekleghkate apo thn koinoboyleytikh omada kai apo to synedrio toy PASOK kai omvs den katoruvsate se mia eyreia pleiochfia. Na ftiajete mia omoiogenh kybernhsh. Moirasate ypoyrgeia kai yfypoyrgeia symfvna me tis posostvseis epirrohs tvn diaforvn tasevn, dhmioyrghuhkan agkylvseis, allhloejoydetervseis, eixame fainomena ypoyrgvn synarmodivn poy den legan "kalhmera" o enas ston allon kai anarvtiemai an ayto den kataferate na to petyxete se mia aneth pleiochfia 170 boyleytvn pvs ua kataferete na to petyxete se mia mikroterh, asfalvs, koinoboyleytikh omada poy ua exete meta tis ekloges, an kerdisete, tvn 158 h tvn 160 poy ua eiste kai eseis poly pio desmios ekbiasmvn mikrvn omadvn mesa sthn koinoboyleytikh stelexvsh toy PASOK;

Apanthsh: Ayth h eikona ths allhlosparassomenhs kybernhshs einai mia eikona me poly yperbolh. H kybernhsh ayth prospauhse na akoloyuhsei ena diaforetiko tropo leitoyrgias. Prvta apo ola gi' ayto synerxetai taktika to ypoyrgiko symboylio, gi' ayto synerxetai taktika h kybernhtikh epitroph kai gi' ayto kai sthn kybernhtikh epitroph kai sto ypoyrgiko symboylio ginetai mia anoixth syzhthsh opoy o kauenas yposthrizei th gnvmh toy. Kai proerxetai mia synuesh. Ayto to fainomeno einai ena fainomeno sto opoio den exei synhuhsei h ellhnikh koinvnia. H ellhnikh koinvnia exei perissotero synhuhsei loxoys, oi opoioi akoloyuoyn ton epikefalhs kai oi opoioi den tolmoyn na amfisbhthsoyn. Ekeino to opoio ueloyme einai h synoxh ayth ths kybernhshs na prokyptei mesa apo th syzhthsh, to dialogo, thn prajh, to ergo ayths ths kybernhshs. Einai alhueia oti meta to uanato toy A. Papandreoy h mallon meta thn apoxvrhsh toy A. Papandreoy, to PASOK breuhke mprosta se mia teleivs kainoyria katastash kai xreiasthke na prosarmostei s' ayto. Prosarmosthke omvs me poly megalh epityxia. H koinoboyleytikh omada ejeleje prvuypoyrgo, to synedrio ejeleje proedro me diadikasies, oi opoies pisteyv htan prvtognvres s' ayth th xvra kai htan ejairetika dhmokratikes, ejairetika anoixtes kai gi' ayto yphrje anagnvrish apo oloklhro to fasma toy politikoy kosmoy. To PASOK exei synoxh, to PASOK exei enothta kai mporei na kybernhsei me opoiadhpote pleiochfia, alla h pleiochfia toy ua einai poly megalyterh apo ekeinh thn opoia anaferetai k. Tsima. Oson afora th genikoterh politikh, epeidh anaferuhke o k. Ebert s' ayto to uema, uelv na parathrhsv to ejhs: o k. Ebert phge me elikoptero panv ap| ta Imia me tis kameres. Petaje panv apo ellhniko edafos. Den petaje panv apo toyrkiko edafos.


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