BRIEFING 15-01-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 15/01/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. NIKO AQANASAKH

BAREMENOS: Pws apo dw; (!)

KAMPRAS - MOYRTZHS: Alhqeia, ti egine;

AQANASAKHS: Eida fws ki anebhka!... O k. Xythrhs den qa erqei. Moy zhthse na ton antikatasthsw shmera, dioti den exei prolabei na epistrecei apo to Wnaseio.

BAREMENOS: Mpas kai exoyme kammia ejelijh, paraithsh;

AQANASAKHS: Ton k. Prwqypoyrgo episkefqhkan o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Antwnhs Libanhs mazi me ton Ypoyrgo Typoy kai Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs k. Thlemaxo Xythrh kai eixan enhmerwtikh syzhthsh mazi toy, paroysia kai ths kas Papandreoy. Katopin aytoy, o Ypoyrgos den exei prolabei na epistrecei kai eimai sth diaqesh sas egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto, kyrie Ypoyrge, "paroysia kai ths kas Papandreoy"...

AQANASAKHS: Qa me rwtoysate, poios allos htan. Sas apanthsa. Sas prolaba!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan epibeblhmenh h paroysia ths; Problepetai apo...

AQANASAKHS: Ti ennoeite;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dyo Ypoyrgoi episkeptontai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Einai anagkh na paristatai kai h ka Papandreoy;

AQANASAKHS: Egw sas apantw, sas enhmerwnw gia to poioi htan sto dwmatio toy Prwqypoyr- goy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws apofasisqhke h synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, gia to pote qa episkefqei ton Prwqypoyrgo;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kammia allh plhroforia panw s' ayto.

KAMPRAS: Mhpws maqate se ti akribws enhmerwsan ton Prwqypoyrgo oi k.k. Libanhs kai Xythrhs;

AQANASAKHS: Eixan mia enhmerwtikh syzhthsh.

KAMPRAS: Panw se poio qema, an epitrepete;

AQANASAKHS: Den gnwrizw perissoteres leptomereies.

KWNSTANTHS: Qa yparjei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai me ton anaplhroynta ayton, ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

AQANASAKHS: O,ti yparjei poy prepei na anakoinwqei, qa anakoinwqei.

MOYRTZHS: Th synanthsh me toys k.k. Libanh kai Xythrh, th zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos;

AQANASAKHS: Ypoqetw. Lew "ypoqetw", me thn ennoia oti den mpainei kaneis aprosklhtos sto dwmatio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws prokalese th synanthsh, h synenteyjh ths kas Dhmhtras Lianh;

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti exete kalpazoysa fantasia! Oriste o k. Gargalakos. Syggnwmh k. Stamatopoyle, den einai proswpiko, einai epi toy pneymatos.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporoyme na poyme oti ayth thn wra ginontai oi diergasies poy qa odhghsoyn se paraithsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

AQANASAKHS: Se o,ti me afora, mporeite na peite ayto poy exw pei. Epanalambanw oti egine h synanthsh ayth kai yphrje mia enhmerwtikh syzhthsh. Ayto eipa egw. To ti qa peite eseis, qa to diabasw ayrio.

GARGALAKOS: Eseis ti lete;

AQANASAKHS: Egw eipa ayto, poy sas eipa me poly sygkekrimenes lejeis ths ellhnikhs glwssas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai eylogo to erwthma: Ti prokalese jafnika ayth th synanthsh;

AQANASAKHS: Antilambanomai oti mporei na exete para polla eyloga erwthmata.

MELETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, alhqeyei h plhroforia poy dhmosieyetai shmera se efhmerides oti o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn proqesh toy ston k. Libanh na paraithqei;

AQANASAKHS: Den to gnwrizw. Parakalw na elegxete tis phges sas!

MELETHS: Ma, prokeitai gia dhmosieymata.

AQANASAKHS: Oi grafontes na elegxoyn tis phges toys! Skopimo! Genikh arxh ths dhmosiografias! Oriste o k. Filhs.

MOYRTZHS: To diaceydete eseis ayto;

AQANASAKHS: Apanthsa. Oriste o k. Filhs.

BAREMENOS: Afoy den to gnwrizete, pws to diaceydete;

AQANASAKHS: Parakalw, kyrie Baremene! Parakalw!

BAREMENOS: Me sygxwreite, afoy den to gnwrizete, pws to diaceydete;

AQANASAKHS: O k. Filhs, parakalw!

FILHS: O qerapwn iatros toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Ypoyrgos Ygeias, o k. Dhmhtrhs Kremastinos, se kat' epanalhch dhlwseis toy ston Typo (kai sta NEA kai sthn KAQHMERINH) dhlwse oti o xwros ths entatikhs den prosferetai gia politikes syzhthseis kai synanthseis. Xqes malista prosqese oti qa "skotwsei" ton Prwqypoyrgo, ean ginei mia stressogonos syzhthsh sto dwmatio toy. Qa hqela na rwthsw dyo pragmata: Prwton, ean ej aytoy tekmairetai oti h shmerinh synanthsh den einai stressogonos. Kai deyteron, ean pisteyei h Kybernhsh oti me ayth thn ejoxws kathgorhmatikh dhlwsh toy kat' ejoxhn armodioy, toy k. Kremastinoy, einai dynaton na paraithqei o Prwqypoyrgos h ean einai egkyrh h paraithsh toy;

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, se o,ti afora th synanthsh, ayta poy eixa na sas pw, sas ta eipa. Ektimhseis proswpikes dikes moy den nomizw oti sas einai aparaithtes h xrhsimes. Deyteron, se o,ti afora tis dhlwseis toy k. Kremastinoy (xwris na amfisbhtw thn akribeia h mallon thn dynatothta sas na tis metaferete me akribeia), den exw ayth th stigmh sto myalo moy to akribes keimeno: Parakalw gia thn ermhneia twn dhlwsewn toy k. Kremastinoy, na apeyqynqeite ston k. Kremastino. Parakalw o k. Stamatopoylos.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, einai politikh h qesh, sas erwtw ean h Kybernhsh qewrei oti einai dynaton na yparjei egkyrh prajh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eite paraithshs, eite mh paraithshs (gia thn paraithsh syzhtoyme twra) otan o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sthn entatikh monada.

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti protrexete twn gegonotwn. Oriste o k. Stamatopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kanei o Prwqypoyrgos shmera mia synanthsh me dyo Ypoyrgoys kai mas lete oti exoyn enhmerwtikh syzhthsh. Den mas lete tipota. Dhladh, ti prepei na kanoyme gia na maqoyme;

AQANASAKHS: Profanws, sas lew ayto poy qelw na sas pw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mas lete tipota.

AQANASAKHS: Sas lew...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy qa maqoyme emeis... Einai krisimes oi wres...

AQANASAKHS: Apo mena, ayto poy mporeite na maqete, einai ayto poy sas eipa. Apo ekei kai pera, parakalw, ta reportaz einai eleyqera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An den maqoyme apo ton Ekproswpo, apo poy qa maqoyme;

AQANASAKHS: O Ekproswpos sas enhmerwnei gia thn pragmatopoihsh ths synanthshs kai sas leei ayta ta opoia einai ejoysiodothmenos na sas pei.

FILHS: Dhladh, to periexomeno ths synanthshs, qa to maqoyme apo ta deltia twn 20:30;

AQANASAKHS: O k. Baremenos. Parakalw, kyrie Filh! Twra antestrafhsan oi oroi!

BAREMENOS: Prohgoymenws hqela na pw kai me stamathsate, oti afoy den gnwrizete, pws kanete systash na elegxoyme tis phges;

AQANASAKHS: Orqws sas stamathsa, dioti einai mia arxh poy isxyei pantote.

BAREMENOS: Orqws oxi. Kai epishmainw to logiko paradojo.

AQANASAKHS: To "logiko paradojo", kata thn apoch sas.

BAREMENOS: Nai. Loipon, leme to ejhs twra: Edw sas rwtame na mas peite, ws Ekproswpo ths Kybernhshs, an o Prwqypoyrgos einai se qesh na paraithqei, prwton. Dioti pairnw thn iatrikh pleyra toy k. Kremastinoy, o opoios leei oti o Prwqypoyrgos den einai se qesh oxi na kanei politikh syzhthsh alla oyte kan syzhthsh.

AQANASAKHS: Sto qema to opoio qetete...

BAREMENOS: Afhste me na oloklhrwsw.

AQANASAKHS: Den qetete neo qema, syggnwmh.

BAREMENOS: Ws qema;

AQANASAKHS: Qa sas afhsw, efoson qesete neo qema. To qema to opoio ews ayth th stigmh sthn erwthsh sas qetete, einai to idio to opoio eqese kai o k. Filhs kai sto opoio exw apanthsei.

BAREMENOS: Afhste me na oloklhrwsw, einai to qema.

AQANASAKHS: Nai, alla erwthsh na oloklhrwsete, oxi analysh.

BAREMENOS: Giati; Qa afhsete ejw thn erwthsh; Analysh einai ayto;

AQANASAKHS: Akoyw!

BAREMENOS: O de k. Maneshs leei shmera oti einai oriakh h dynatothta - enas syntagmatolo- gos egkyros kata tekmhrio - toy Prwqypoyrgoy na ypobalei paraithsh. Den mporeite na mas apanthsete ean einai se qesh h den einai se qesh o Prwqypoyrgos na ypobalei paraithsh; Poy na to rwthsoyme ayto gia na paroyme apanthsh;

AQANASAKHS: Epanalambanw loipon: Mhn protrexete twn gegonotwn kai mhn prokatalambane- te tis dikes moy dhlwseis (prosqetw dhladh sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh gia na exw kalycei kai esas). STAMATOPOYLOS -

MOYRTZHS: Dhladh, jerete kati poy den jeroyme emeis; Na perimenoyme kati dhladh; Ti na perimenoyme;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi. Ti ennoeite "ti perimenete"; Oi prosdokies einai analoges me ayto poy kaqenas exei sto myalo toy, sto diko toy myalo. Mporei allo na perimenete eseis, allo na perimenw egw, allo na perimenei...o k. Zerbonikolakhs, o opoios qa kanei twra thn erwthsh!

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Na rwthsw dyo pragmata: An isxyei akoma oti qa enhmerwqei o Prwqypoyrgos apo antiproswpeia toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai deyteron, an isxyei kai prokeitai na pragmatopoihqei h synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

AQANASAKHS: Otan exw kati poy na aforoyn ayta ta sygkekrimena dyo pragmata poy me rwtate, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw: exei oloklhrwqei h politikh enhmerwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

AQANASAKHS: Den jerw an mporw na xrhsimopoihsw th lejh "oloklhrwqei". O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai - exei eipwqei - yparxei mia xqesinh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy k. Xythrh, thn opoia gnwrizete. O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai aytes tis meres apo tis syzhthseis poy exei me diaforoys synergates toy, alla den gnwrizw ean mporw na xrhsimopoihsw th lejh "oloklhrwqei".

KARAKWSTAS: Sto plaisio ayto entassetai kai h shmerinh toy synanthsh me toys dyo Ypoyrgoys poy mas anaferate;

AQANASAKHS: Den einai aparaithto, den mporei na to apokleisei kai kaneis. Den mporw na to apokleisw, alla den einai kai aparaithto.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Aygerinos, se shmerinh synenteyjh toy, leei oti den einai aparaithto na enhmerwqei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn katastash poy brisketai...

AQANASAKHS: Poios to leei;

SOYGLERHS: O k. Paraskeyas Aygerinos.

AQANASAKHS: Einai mia apoch toy k. Aygerinoy.

MOYRTZHS: Ektimate oti qa ginei telika h synanthsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton Prwqypoyrgo, prin th Synodo ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs;

AQANASAKHS: Den exei kanena nohma h dikh moy ektimhsh. Shmasia exei o prosdiorismos ths synanthshs - otan ayto ginei - kai to opoio qa sas anakoinwqei.

MOYRTZHS: qa ginei;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto poy mporw na sas epanalabw einai h epibebaiwsh ths perasmenhs ebdomadas poy doqhke se apanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy k. Xythrh se sxetikes erwthseis dhmosiografwn. Kai elege, oti o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn epiqymia na synanthqei en eyqetw xronw me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ayto poy mporw na epanalabw, einai ayto poy exei anakoinwqei. Loipes ektimhseis, tis opoies moy zhtate, den mporw na kanw. Lypoymai an den kalyptw plhrws thn erwthsh sas.

BAREMENOS: Epeidh mexri twra o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase thn epiqymia...

AQANASAKHS: Epanelaba thn anakoinwsh ths perasmenhs ebdomadas.

BAREMENOS: Oi efhmerides - kai en prokeimenw h "ELEYQEROTYPIA" - grafoyn oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse th synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias se ena fwteino dialeimma. Kai oti ektote den ejefrase jana thn epiqymia gia na pragmatopoihqei h synanthsh, af'otoy phre qetikh apanthsh.

AQANASAKHS: Den eimai ypoxrewmenos na xrhsimopoihsw h na yioqethsw thn orologia opoiasdhpote efhmeridas.

BAREMENOS: Kai kati allo akoma: Mhpws jerete toylaxiston na mas peite an o Prwqypoyr- gos paraithqei ayrio h meqayrio, qa ginei h synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs h qa pame ap'eyqeias sth diadikasia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas;

AQANASAKHS: Thn Kentrikh Epitroph den thn sygkalw egw.

BAREMENOS: Kala, to jerw ayto. -

AQANASAKHS: Ara, giati me rwtate; Den apantw me ayto sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, to opoio einai ypoqetiko. Jekinhsate me ena "ean". Den apantw s'ayto. Epishmansh kanw oti h Kentrikh Epitroph den sygkaleitai apo mena. Yparxoyn oi apofaseis toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, tis opoies gnwrizete.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kai isxyoyn bebaiws.

AQANASAKHS: Profanws. Se o,ti me afora ws melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs.

GARGALAKOS: Gnwrizete an alhqeyei ayto poy dhmosieyetai shmera ston Typo oti oi kyrioi Libanhs kai Laliwths etoimazoyn kapoio keimeno...

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kammia tetoia plhroforia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "TO ONOMA" anaferetai sth syntajh enos manifestoy kai mias politikhs diaqhkhs apo ton Akh Koswna kai thn kyria Papandreoy. Alhqeyei, kyrie Ypoyrge;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kammia tetoia plhroforia. Kai eidika se ayto to qema den ypeiserxomai kaqoloy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gnwrizete oti synelhfqhsan sthn Toyrkia prwhn boyleytes Toyrkoi, oi opoioi zhthsan eirhnikh epilysh toy Koyrdikoy zhthmatos;

AQANASAKHS: Qa me sygxwrhsete, den exw dei ta sxetika thlegrafhmata. Qa epikoinwnhsw me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn gia na mporw na exw kapoia apanthsh. Syggnwmh, alla den exw plhrh eikona toy qematos aytoy.

FILHS: Otan dyo Ypoyrgoi kai stenoi synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy synantwntai me ayton, egw toylaxiston katalabainw oti kati poly shmantiko syzhtoyn, synektimwntas kai thn ebdomada poy dianyoyme. Gia na mhn exoyme plhroforhsh to brady apo ta deltia twn 8.30' gia dialogoys poy den einai dynaton na epibebaiwqoyn kai poy dioxeteyontai kata systhma pia sta bradyna deltia eidhsewn, qa parakaloysa eite eseis, eite o k. Xythrhs poy meteixe sth synanthsh, na kanete ektakto "briefing" shmera gia na enhmerwqoyme gia to ti dihmeifqh ekei.

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti yparxei logos gia ektakto "briefing". An yparjei kati perissotero pros anakoinwsh, qa anakoinwqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, na perimenoyme anakoinwsh;

AQANASAKHS: Den eipa ayto. Kai den qa mporoysa na pw ayto, dioti den exw kati perissotero apo ayta poy sas eipa. Ayta poy egw eixa, sas ta eipa ola. An den sas fainontai polla h plhrh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi'ayto qa qelame, o k. Xythrhs na kanei ena ektakto "briefing", gia na mporesoyme na enhmerwqoyme.

AQANASAKHS: Den eimai bebaios, alla en pash periptwsei.

MOYRTZHS: Qetw to erwthma gia thn plhrothta ths enhmerwshs. Jerw ti apanthsh qa eisprajw.

AQANASAKHS: Afoy jerete thn apanthsh, den afhnete kai thn erwthsh na mhn talaipwroyma- ste;

MOYRTZHS: H kyria Lianh-Papandreoy feretai na exei paraxwrhsei mia synenteyjh sto periodiko "COLT". Thn anadhmosieyse to "EQNOS". Yphrje kammia antidrash;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw eikona toy pragmatos, kyrie Moyrtzh. Kaqoloy.

MOYRTZHS: Einai "maimoy" h synenteyjh;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw eikona toy pragmatos kaqoloy. Diabasa to sxetiko dhmosieyma sto "EQNOS" kai eida oti anaferetai se mia synenteyjh poy prokeitai na dhmosieyqei. Den exw tipote na sas pw kai oytws h allws den qa eixa kanena sxolio.

KOGIANNHS: Ti wra eixe programmatisqei h synanthsh;

AQANASAKHS: Kapoia stigmh, to prwi.

KARASABBA: Otan qa synanthqei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias me ton Prwqypoyrgo, asxetws an toy pei o Prwqypoyrgos "paraitoymai" h "den paraitoymai", ean paei o Proedros ston Prwqypoyrgo kai o Prwqypoyrgos den einai se qesh na toy pei o,tidhpote, tote oi diadikasies antikatastashs toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa jekinhsoyn apo mones toys;

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, einai dyo toylaxiston ypoqeseis sthn arxikh erwthsh. Kai deyteron, einai ena syntagmatiko qema, sto opoio eimai teleiws anarmodios ayth thn wra na apanthsw. Pisteyw oti...

KARASABBA: Den apokleietai, pantws.

AQANASAKHS: Den eipa "den apokleietai". Eipa ayta poy sas eipa: Qa epanalabw thn protroph "mhn protrexete gia pragmata poy den exoyn symbei". O k. Baremenos. Shmera einai... akoyrastos!

BAREMENOS: Exw parei pollh plhroforhsh kai qelw olo kai perissoterh. Eimai anikanopoih- tos!

AQANASAKHS: Anikanopoihtos;(!) Kai ti sas kanei na nomizete oti mporw na sas ikanopoihsw egw; (!)

BAREMENOS: Eipate oti, oytws h allws, den eprokeito na sxoliasete thn kyria Lianh - Papandreoy.

AQANASAKHS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti oytws h allws den qa eixa kanena sxolio epi toy qematos, gia to opoio syzhtoysame.

BAREMENOS: Moy dhmioyrghsate thn aporia: Giati; Epeidh den einai qesmiko proswpo, epeidh einai anajia sxoliasmoy ayta poy leei;

AQANASAKHS: Epeidh gnwrizete thn apanthsh, eimai bebaios oti den qa meinete me thn aporia!

MELETHS: Pote qa prepei na perimenoyme thn ayqentikh metafora, mesw twn Meswn, twn apocewn poy diatypwnei o Prwqypoyrgos; Dioti yparxoyn oi diarroes aytes, yparxei mia sygxysh sthn koinh gnwmh k.lp. Qa yparjei mia ayqentikh metafora twn apocewn toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy;

AQANASAKHS: Egw, orqws eipa, ara kai egkairws, na elegxete tis phges sas. Nomizw oti exoyme teleiwsei thn enhmerwsh. An yparxei kati - opote yparxei kati - poy prepei na anakoinwqei, qa anakoinwqei.

GARGALAKOS: Mia teleytaia erwthsh, kyrie Ekproswpe.

AQANASAKHS: Malista, kyrie Gargalako!

GARGALAKOS: Epeidh sas afora h erwthsh.

AQANASAKHS: Emena; Sas akoyw.

GARGALAKOS: Exete synanthqei eseis proswpika me ton k. Papandreoy; Exete milhsei idiaiterws politika;

AQANASAKHS: Gnwrizete oti ola ayta ta xronia pote den anaferqhka stis synanthseis moy h stis mh synanthseis moy me ton Andrea Papandreoy.

Sas eyxaristw.