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BRIEFING 15-03-96

Greek Government Press Release Directory

From: "Hellenic Ministry of Press and Mass Media" <pegasus@compulink.gr>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 15/3/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TIS SYNEDRIASEIS TOY KYSEA KAI TOY YPOYRGIKOY SYMBOYLIOY (WRA, 17:00)

* Sas einai hdh gnwsto oti prin apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio synedriase to Kybernhtiko Symboylio Ejwterikwn kai Amynas (KYSEA) to opoio epeleje ton neo Arxhgo toy Limenikoy Swmatos, poy einai o mexri twra Arxiploiarxos Periklhs Oysatzopoylos. Ston k. Peloponnhsio qa aponemhqei o titlos toy epitimoy Arxhgoy toy Limenikoy Swmatos gia tis shmantikes yphresies poy exei prosferei.
* Sth synexeia synedriase to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai asxolhqhke me to ejoxws shmantiko kai politiko qema ths xrhmatodothshs twn politikwn kommatwn. Egine emperistatwmenh syzhthsh. Den elhfqhsan oi telikes apofaseis, alla orisqhkan to plaisio kai oi kateyqynseis. Me tis qeseis aytes oi opoies qa employtisqoyn me ton problhmatismo poy anaptyxqhke sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, to qema ayto qa erqei kai pali sth Diakommatikh Epitroph, wste telikws apo thn Kybernhsh na labei thn morfh me thn opoia qa katateqei ws nomosxedio se eyqeto xrono.
* Sas einai epishs gnwsth h sxetikh dhlwsh, sthn opoia proebh o k. Prwqypoyrgos pros toys dhmosiografoys amesws meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Dhlwsh h opoia sas exei hdh dianemhqei. Ayta apo pleyras moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOGIANNHS: Ena erwthma ep'aytoy: Yphrxe diafora apocewn gia to poios prepei na elegxei ta oikonomika twn kommatwn, an dhladh qa prepei na einai Diakommatikh Epitroph ths Boylhs h an qa prepei na einai dikastiko organo; Egine syzhthsh ep'aytoy;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai oti o elegxos twn oikonomikwn leitoyrgiwn twn kommatwn anhkei apokleistikws kai mono sta idia ta kommata. Kai malista mesa apo mia diadikasia synennohshs diakommatikoy xarakthra, wste na ejasfalizontai kai h diafaneia kai h apotelesmatikothta, prokeimenoy na yparxei pragmatikos kai oxi mono typikos elegxos. Tetoioy eidoys diakommatikos elegxos yparxei kai se alles drasthriothtes kai exei apodeixqei arketa epityxhs ayth h epilogh.

KIAOS: Eipate "o elegxos twn oikonomikwn anhkei sta idia ta kommata";

REPPAS: O elegxos ths xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn ginetai apo Epitroph, h opoia exei diakommatiko xarakthra. Ginetai apo Epitroph entos toy plaisioy twn leitoyrgiwn ths Boylhs, toy Koinoboyleytismoy. Isxyei h diakrish twn ejoysiwn, h opoia epiteloys anaferetai apo para polloys alla sthn prajh lhsmoneitai otan prepei na paroyme sygkekrimena metra kai apofaseis.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Dhladh apokleietai h syndromh dikastikwn, logistwn...

REPPAS: H Epitroph h opoia qa asxolhqei me ton elegxo twn oikonomikwn drasthriothtwn qa exei diakommatiko xarakthra kai qa meinei - epanalambanw kai pali - sto plaisio ths politikhs, sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias twn kommatwn, ths Boylhs, twn qesmwn toy Koinoboyleytismoy.

SKOYRHS: Ews twra, htan etoimo ena nomosxedio gia ta oikonomika twn kommatwn, to opoio eixe egkriqei apo Diakommatikh Epitroph kai to opoio htan nomosxedio poy qa eferne - ap'o,ti jeroyme - to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn pros chfish sth Boylh. Ti htan ayto poy den htan entajei kai ekane thn Kybernhsh na eisagei ena kainoyrgio nomosxedio gia to idio qema;

REPPAS: Ma, syzhtoyme sth bash toy nomosxedioy, to opoio apotelei - opws eipate kai eseis - to symperasma sto opoio katelhje h Diakommatikh Epitroph poy asxolhqhke epi makron me ayto to qema. Yparxoyn epimeroys diafores metajy twn kommatwn. Ena qema sto opoio yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis kai exoyn ekfrasqei einai ayto, gia to opoio milhsame molis prin. Meta th shmerinh syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, h Kybernhsh qa ferei to qema kai pali sthn Diakommatikh Epitroph. Kai telikws h Kybernhsh qa labei tis apofaseis ths kai qa diatypwsei to oristiko keimeno enos nomosxedioy poy qa afora th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn.

KIAOS: Dhladh, h Kybernhsh exei "mpoysoyla" to idio to nomosxedio sto opoio anaferqhke o k. Skoyrhs;

REPPAS: Asfalws.

KIAOS: Kai deyteron: Exei prosqesei, exei tropopoihsei diatajeis toy h einai to idio me to opoio proserxetai;

REPPAS: To nomosxedio einai kata bash to idio. Syzhthsame texnikes leptomereies kai dieyqethseis, oi opoies qa kanoyn pio leitoyrgikh thn isxy aytoy toy nomosxedioy otan katastei nomos toy Kratoys. Kata bash, to nomosxedio to opoio eishghqhke shmera o armodios kaq'ylhn Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos, egine dekto apo toys synadelfoys. Kai epanalambanw kai pali: Aplws qa employtisqei me ton problhmatismo poy aneptyxqh shmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa katateqei sth Diakommatikh Epitroph, wste na labei thn telikh toy morfh meta, me apofash oristikh poy qa parei h Kybernhsh.

MAYROS: Den tairiazei me ayta poy mas eipate prohgoymenws.

REPPAS: Apolytws tairiazei.

MAYROS: Eseis mas eipate: "Me tis qeseis aytes oi opoies qa employtisqoyn meta apo ton problhmatismo poy anaptyxqhke sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, to qema qa erqei sth Diakommatikh Epitroph, wste k.lp."...

REPPAS: Bebaiws kai qa elqei sth Diakommatikh Epitroph.

MAYROS: O Prwqypoyrgos mas eipe bgainontas apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio oti syzhthqhke shmera to sxedio nomoy gia thn xrhmatodothsh twn politikwn kommatwn.

REPPAS: Ma, ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, antistoixoyn plhrws sthn eishghsh poy ekane o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai gia to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio.

MAYROS: Ma, exei syzhthqei sth Diakommatikh...

REPPAS: To gnwrizw. Sas eipa oti exei ginei epi makron syzhthsh sth Diakommatikh Epitroph. Yparxei sxetikh ergasia kai exoyn sympesei stis perissoteres ryqmiseis oles oi pleyres. Me ejairesh qemata ta opoia einai poly sygkekrimena. Kai metajy twn allwn, einai kai ayto gia to opoio milhsame molis prin. Ta eipa ayta, kyrie Mayro. Qa deite oti exoyme syzhthsei ep'aytwn poy rwtate.

MAYROS: Ean den prokeitai gia kapoia diafora metajy ths nyn kai ths prwhn Kybernhsews, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhtoyse shmera epi treis wres, gia poio pragma; Gia kati poy exei hdh syzhthqei;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, kyrie Mayro, oti ayto to qema einai poly shmantiko, exei neyralgikh shmasia idiaiterws shmera. Yparxoyn problhmata stis sygxrones koinwnies kai sthn ellhnikh idiaiterws, ta opoia epiballoyn me th deoysa prosoxh kai eyqynh na proseggi- zoyme o,tidhpote exei sxesh me th leitoyrgia twn kommatwn, idiaiterws de me tis phges xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn. Kai h Kybernhsh sta plaisia ayta syzhthse leptomerws ayto to qema.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kata bash, o problhmatismos anaptyxqhke me bash to nomosxedio poy ekane o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Ektos, loipon, apo to qema toy poios qa elegxei, se poia alla shmeia anaptyxqhke o problhmatismos twn melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

REPPAS: O problhmatismos twn melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy htan problhmatismos ef'olhs ths ylhs. Aforoyse to megalo ayto kefalaio poy legetai xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn sthn Ellada shmera. Kai pisteyw oti oi apoceis poy akoysthkan mazi me thn desmeysh poy anelaban synadelfoi Ypoyrgoi na kataqesoyn kai eggrafws kapoies protaseis - oi opoies qewroyn oti prepei na lhfqoyn sobarws ypoch - entos twn epomenwn hmerwn, qa exoyn ws synepeia to nomosxedio ayto na katateqei - epanalambanw kai pali - sth Diakommatikh Epitroph, wste amesws meta, me apofash ths Kybernhshs na labei thn telikh morfh kai na katateqei ws nomosxedio sth Boylh. Egine syzhthsh gia olo ayto to megalo kai shmantiko kefalaio, poy legetai xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn. Den meiname mono - opws katalabainete - stis texnikes ryqmiseis tis opoies periexei ayto to nomosxedio. Egine mia eyrytath politikh syzhthsh. Einai politiko organo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

MOYRTZHS: Yparxei problhmatismos na qespisqei ena "plafon" sthn idiwtikh xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn; Kai deytero: Yparxei problhmatismos na ginetai gnwsth h taytothta toy dwrhth;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete hdh oti den yparxei aplws problhmatismos, yparxei apofash ep' aytoy. Yparxei nomos poy problepei oti gia posa ta opoia jepernoyn tis 200.000 draxmes prepei na anaferetai rhta to fysiko proswpo to opoio xorhgei ayto to xrhmatiko poso. Exoyn ginei aytes oi ryqmiseis. Emeis shmera syzhtoyme gia tis diadikasies elegxoy ekeines oi opoies qa diasfalizoyn thn yparjh plhroys diafaneias gia tis phges xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn. Kai prepei na sas pw - anaferetai kai sth dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Prwqypoyrgos bgainontas apo th synedriash, sthn katakleida ths dhlwshs - oti einai qesh ths Kybernhshs na mhn yparxei ayjhsh ths kratikhs xrhmatodothshs gia ta kommata peran toy posostoy sto opoio h xrhmatodothsh ayth kymainetai shmera.

MOYRTZHS: Tote giati o k. Shmiths eipe oti qa prepei na epidiwxqei "plafon" gia tis xorhghseis, eite kratikes eite idiwtikes pros ta kommata, afoy yparxei hdh;

REPPAS: Yparxei nomos poy problepei ayth th sygkekrimenh ryqmish. Apo ekei kai pera qeloyme ena nomosxedio poy synolikws qa antimetwpizei to qema ths xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn. Kai qeloyme - epanalambanw kai pali - na diasfalisoyme mhxanismoys elegxoy oti oi apofaseis poy se politiko epipedo exoyn lhfqei kai me nomoys exoyn ryqmisqei na antimetwpizontai apotelesmatika. Wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh skia gia tis sxeseis kai tis leitoyrgies twn kommatwn me oikonomikoys paragontes h - en pasei periptwsh - me tis phges apo tis opoies xrhmatodotoyntai ta kommata. Ayth einai h agwnia kai to endiaferon ths Kybernhshs. Kai panw se ayth th bash anaptyxqhke dialogos. Kai panw se ayth th bash epixeirei h Kybernhsh na ejasfalisei th synainesh kai twn allwn kommatwn wste na yparjei enas nomos poy qa antimetwpizei telesidika ayto to qema.

MAYROS: Otan lete periorismo twn ektaktwn eisforwn ennoeite oti orizetai orio anwtaths dynaths eisforas idiwth;

REPPAS: Einai prowro na poyme poia akribws qa einai ayta ta "plafon". Egine syzhthsh, bebaiws, gia ryqmiseis poy aforoyn kai ton kaqorismo "plafon".

KARAMPASHS: Ap' o,ti gnwrizoyme sto nomosxedio poy eixe katalhjei h Nomarxiakh Epitroph problepotan h systash epitrophs elegxoy sygkrotoymenhs apo tria merh: Apo dikastes toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, boyleytes kai kommata. Poio einai to skeptiko me to opoio epanejetaze- tai ayth h eishghsh; Kai deyteron syzhthqhkan kai oi kyrwseis poy qa yparxoyn gia kommata h politikoys poy qa kinoyntai pera apo ta oria poy qa orisqoyn.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti o problhmatismos, asfalws, kymanqhke kai sta qemata ta opoia anaferate. Stis kyrwseis, dhladh, oi opoies prepei na problepontai otan yparxei parabash h parabiash twn diatajewn aytoy toy nomosxedioy, otan qa exei katastei nomos kai qa exei thn isxy nomoy. Oi apofaseis oi opoies qa lhfqoyn qa sas ginoyn gnwstes. Ayth thn wra yparxei problhmatismos gia to poies qa einai aytes oi poines. An qa ftanoyn se prostima kai se poia oria qa kinoyntai ayta ta prostima. An qa jepernoyn ayth thn poinh kai qa fqanoyn mexri thn ekptwsh apo to boyleytiko ajiwma opoioy exei parabei mia tetoia diatajh toy nomoy o opoios prokeitai na chfisqei. Kai bebaiws h qesh thn opoia exei h Kybernhsh ws pros to organo to opoio prepei na einai ayto poy qa epimeleitai toy elegxoy - epanalambanw kai pali - qesh ths Kybernhshs einai oti me to qema ayto asxoleitai to Koinoboylio kai ta politika kommata. Kai sta plaisia akribws ths diakrishs twn ejoysiwn den prepei na yparxei opoiadhpote sygxysh. Alla to diakommatikoy xarakthra kai synqeshs, ayto organo prepei na kanei ta panta wste na einai kai apotelesmatiko alla kai na mhn afhnei thn paramikrh ypocia oti o elegxos einai typikos kai den einai oysiastikos. Kai qa einai oysiastikos.

SOYRMELH: Ti neotero anakoinwsimo yparxei shmera gia tis sxeseis Elladas - FYROM; Egine shmera mia synanthsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me ton edw ekproswpo ths FYROM. Kai legotan oti qa ginei syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gi' ayto to qema.

REPPAS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den syzhthqhke o,tidhpote sxetiko me ayto to qema. Den egine kan h paramikrh nyjh. Apo ekei kai pera, epidiwkoyme beltiwsh twn sxesewn me to kratos twn Skopiwn. Gnwrizete hdh oti sta plaisia ths endiameshs symfwnias exoyme antiproswpeia diplwmatikoy xarakthra toy kratoys twn Skopiwn sthn Ellada. O epikefalhs toy Grafeioy twn Skopiwn episkefqhke ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ton Ellhna Prwqypoyr- go kai ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn sta plaisia ths eqimotypias.

PETOYRH: Syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai h tropopoihsh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke para to oti - opws eixe anakoinwqei - apoteloyse to deytero qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs, logw toy oti eixe parelqei pleon o xronos. Kai to qema ayto emeine gia syzhthsh se mia epomenh synedriash.

KIAOS: Oyte h politikh ths Kybernhshs stis DEKO; Epeidh eixate anakoinwsei oti qa ginei syzhthsh kai gi' ayto to qema.

REPPAS: Den egine syzhthsh gia opoiodhpote allo qema.

KIAOS: Gia to "poqen esxes";

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke o,tidhpote allo. Egine mia ektetamenh leptomereiakh syzhthsh panw sto qema ths xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn.

PAPAKWNSTANTINOY: H synanthsh Prwqypoyrgoy - Arsofski poy dihrkese 30 lepta, htan mono eqimotypikoy xarakthra;

REPPAS: Nai, eqimotypikoy xarakthra htan h syzhthsh. Kai asfalws o k. Arsofski qa ejefrase, me thn eykairia ayths ths synanthshs, thn epiqymia - fantazomai - ths xwras toy na exoyme kalyteres sxeseis. Alla ayth einai kai h dikh mas epiqymia. Den nomizw oti otan yparxoyn tetoies synanthseis ekfrazetai h diaqesh na ginoyn oi sxeseis mas ojyteres h na ginoyn xeiroteres. H epiqymia poy ekfrazetai einai na ginoyn oi sxeseis kalyteres. Kai ayto ekane kai o k. Arsofski alla kai h dikh mas h pleyra. Ayto den fantazomai na apotelei eidhsh gia sas. Eisqe empeiroi s' ayta.
Sas eyxaristw poly.
Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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