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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-22

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, symplhrwnontai dyo xronia (kai me dikh sas eyqynh!) apo tis 22 Ianoyarioy 1996, otan gia prwth fora arxisame thn epikoinwnia mas.

KIAOS: Na eiste kala.

REPPAS: Kai eseis na eiste kala.

* Qa sas anakoinwsw th synqesh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Proedros ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, opws exei anakoinwqei, analambanei o k. Straths Strathghs.
Dieyqynwn Symboylos analambanei o k. Kwstas Mpakoyrhs.
O k. Mpakoyrhs einai ychlobaqmo stelexos se megalh dieqnh etairia. Einai epikefalhs toy eyrwpaikoy kladoy ths etairias RALSTON ENERGY SYSTEMS. Pisteyoyme oti qa antapokriqei epityxws sta kaqhkonta poy analambanei kai sto rolo poy toy anaqetei h Kybernhsh.
Ta alla 13 melh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, apo ta opoia orismena symmetexoyn ej officcio, einai ta ejhs:

O dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn k. Dhmhtrhs Abramopoylos
O k. Nikos Filaretos kai o k. Lamphs Nikolaoy apo th Dieqnh Olympiakh Epitroph.
O k. Giannhs Papadogiannakhs kai o k. Dhmhtrhs Diaqesopoylos, A' Antiproedros kai Genikos Grammateas ths Ellhnikhs Olympiakhs Epitrophs, antistoixa.
O k. Loykas Papadhmos, Proedros ths Trapezas ths Ellados.
O k. Giannhs Sgoyros, Genikos Grammateas Aqlhtismoy.
O k. Giwrgos Papadhmhtrioy, Kaqhghths Panepisthmioy.
H ka Nikh Tzabella, melos toy Symboylioy Prytanewn toy Xarbarnt.
O k. Spyros Kapralos, anwtero trapeziko stelexos.
O k. Giannhs Manos, apo thn Enwsh Ellhnikwn Trapezwn.
O k. Giannhs Pyrgiwths, Arxitektonas - Poleodomos kai
O k. Giannhs Qeodwrakopoylos, Dhmosiografos, Proedros toy Panellhnioy Syndesmoy Aqlhtikoy Typoy.

Ayth einai h synqesh ths 15meloys Organwtikhs Epitrophs. Otan katateqei to sxetiko nomosxedio sth Boylh kai chfistei kai katastei nomos toy kratoys, gnwrizete oti qa systaqei pleon Anwnymh Etairia. Ta melh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, qa apotelesoyn kai to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths Anwnymhs Etairias poy qa systaqei. Ayta, eisagwgikws. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Ta melh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy qa oristoyn me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy h dia toy nomoy;

REPPAS: Me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy orizetai h synqesh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs. Eipame oti Anwnymh Etairia den yfistatai akomh, ara den yparxei kai to D.S. ths Etairias. Otan systaqei h Anwnymh Etairia, ta melh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs qa einai kai ta melh toy D.S. Ayth einai h apofash ths Kybernhshs, h opoia qa chfisei to nomo, opws -fantazomai- qa prajoyn kai oi alles politikes dynameis sth Boylh.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai an h allagh ths synqeshs qa ginetai me nomo h me apofash toy ekastote Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: H chfish toy nomoy odhgei sthn idrysh ayths ths Anwnymhs Etairias kai sth dhmioyrgia toy 15meloys Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy. Den problepetai stis diatajeis toy nomoy poia proswpa qa synqesoyn to Symboylio.

D. KAMPOYRAKHS: Den einai periergo to gegonos oti den symmetexei kapoios apo to Texniko Epimelhthrio, o k. Liaskas, gia paradeigma, afoy prokeitai na ginoyn tosa erga;

REPPAS: H Organwtikh Epitroph qa exei mia synolikh epopteia gia ta qemata ths diorganwshs twn Agwnwn. Qa yparxoyn drasthriothtes tis opoies qa anaptyjoyn foreis kai proswpa, sxetika me epimeroys zhthmata. Ekei qa klhqoyn diaforoi paragontes oi opoioi exoyn ejeidikeysh, gnwsh kai apodedeigmenh ikanothta na prosferoyn tis yphresies toys.

MPOYATAR: Problepontai kapoia kainoyrgia metra meta to kyma twn tromokratikwn epiqesewn poy shmeiwqhkan th nyxta sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Shmeiwqhkan aytes oi ekrhjeis. H drasthriothta ayth, h opoia einai oriakh men, alla apodeiknyei oti anaptyssontai akraies symperifores oi opoies yponomeyoyn thn asfaleia twn politwn, mas exei apasxolhsei kai mas apasxolei entonotata. Eixame prosfata mia epityxia. H prospaqeia thn opoia kataballei h Ellhnikh Astynomia qa mporei na exei apotelesmata, efoson kai oi polites th syndramoyn. Einai ena fainomeno poy den exei parei thn ektash me thn opoia ekdhlwnetai se alles xwres, alla asfalws mas anhsyxei kai kanoyme o,ti kalytero mporoyme.

ROYMPANHS: Mia dieykrinish gia to prohgoymeno qema. Eipate oti ta onomata den prokeitai na allajoyn. Oyte sthn periptwsh poy exoyme allagh sth qesh toy Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas h toy Proedroy toy Syndesmoy twn Aqlhtikwn Syntaktwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poies einai oi qesmikes ekproswphseis. An prokycei kapoia allagh mesa apo ekloges, an allajei, gia paradeigma, o Dhmarxos h o Proedros h o Grammateas ths Epitrophs Olympiakwn Agwnwn, epeidh einai qesmikes oi ekproswphseis, qa symmetexoyn sto sxhma oi qesmikoi ekproswpoi. Yparxoyn apo ekei kai pera oi epiloges sygkekrimenwn proswpwn, poy exoyn ena xarakthra atomikhs - proswpikhs epiloghs, den ekproswpoyn dhladh kapoio sygkekrimeno forea, oi opoioi kai paramenoyn sth synqesh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs.

KIAOS: Poia einai h logikh poy prytaneyse kai akoloyqhse h Kybernhsh gia na orisei thn Epitroph ayth; Dhladh, poia pragmata "ebale katw" kai eipe "orizw ton ena, den orizw ton allo";

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh prospaqhse na sygkrothsei th 15melh Organwtikh Epitroph me proswpa ta opoia exoyn sxesh me to antikeimeno. Ekproswpoyn drasthriothtes kai xwroys poy aforoyn thn organwsh ths Olympiadas. Kai den einai mono o Aqlhtismos, einai oi Yphresies, einai h Dioikhsh, einai oi ependyseis, einai ta erga. Me ayth thn ennoia, exoyn lhfqei ypoch: H sxesh twn epilegentwn me to antikeimeno me to opoio kaloyntai na asxolhqoyn. H mexri twra empeiria poy exoyn apokthsei diakrinomenoi se drasthriothtes poy exoyn anaptyjei, giati o kaqenas sto diko toy xwro exei kati na epideijei. Kai bebaiws to endiaferon to opoio yparxei, prokeimenoy h stelexwsh ayth na epibebaiwnei, na apodeiknyei, metajy twn allwn, thn amerolhcia, h opoia prytaneyse ws krithrio s' ayth thn epilogh. Den exoyn, dhladh, kommatiko h politiko xarakthra oi epiloges aytes. Ara, oydeis mporei na isxyristei oti ginetai mia prospaqeia na metablhqei h Organwtikh Epitroph se organo, sto plaisio twn politikwn leitoyrgiwn sth xwra mas. Qa exei thn aytonomia ths. Oloi oi paragontes oi opoioi exoyn epilegei, einai proswpikothtes, oi opoies pisteyoyme oti qa syneisferoyn sthn epityxia toy ergoy poy analambanoyn.

KIAOS: Me ayta poy lete, giati apoysiazei ekproswpos toy Texnikoy Epimelhthrioy, poy einai o texnikos symboylos se kaqe Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Yparxei to qema twn texnikwn ergwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei systaqei diypoyrgikh epitroph, sthn opoia symmetexei o armodios yfypoyrgos, prokeimenoy na parakoloyqei kai na epopteyei tis diadikasies gia thn proodo twn texnikwn ergwn poy apoteloyn aparaithth ypodomh gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Epanalambanw oti qa yparxoyn drasthriothtes, qa dhmioyrghqoyn qygatrikes etairies kai qa doqei h dynatothta na laboyn meros s' aytes tis diadikasies foreis kai proswpa, kaqena sto antikeimeno poy exei mia ejeidikeysh. Den einai aytos o rolos ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs.

KIAOS: Epeidh akribws anaferomai sth genikh epopteia, poy lete, kai sth logikh thn opoia katalaba, ap' oti eipate, gi' ayto rwthsa o kat' ejoxhn texnikos symboylos ths ekastote kybernhsews, poy einai to Epimelhthrio, th stigmh poy einai mesa h Trapeza ths Ellados epi paradeigmati, einai mesa ekproswpoi aqlhtikwn ....

REPPAS: Oloi oi foreis qa ekproswpoyntai qesmika sth Megalh Eqnikh Epitroph. H qesmikh ekproswphsh sthn Organwtikh Epitroph periorizetai se sygkekrimeno ariqmo proswpwn poy exoyn mia orismenh idiothta. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, an mpoyme se mia tetoia syzhthsh, kaqenas mporei na epikalestei thn anagkh na symmetexei o Dikhgorikos Syllogos, epeidh qa exoyme qemata ta opoia aforoyn prosfora yphresiwn h nomikes dieyqethseis poy prepei na ginoyn, to Texniko Epimelhthrio me ton Proedro toy, epeidh qa exoyme texnika erga. H, epeidh qa exoyme qemata yphresiwn kai dioikhshs, prepei na symmetexoyn alloi koinwnikoi kai epaggelmatikoi foreis. Omws, den einai ayto to krithrio. Symmetexei arxitektonas, poleodomos, xwrotakths, o k. Pyrgiwths o opoios exei asxolhqei me tetoia qemata. Ara, h dikh toy gnwsh kai empeiria qa symbalei, wste na exei mia genikh kateyqynsh h Organwtikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na parakoloyqhsei thn proodo twn ergasiwn gia th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an qa einai amisqh h symmetoxh aytwn twn melwn kai an qa einai emmisqh, poios qa kaqorisei to ycos twn misqwn poy qa pairnoyn oloi aytoi;

REPPAS: Jerete oti opoioi symmetexoyn se symboylia exoyn mia apozhmiwsh. Ayto einai kati to opoio h Anwnymh Etairia qa eishghqei sthn Kybernhsh poy qa labei thn apofash.

KARELIAS: Shmera exoyme thn apergia stis DEKO. Skopeyei h Kybernhsh na allajei ayth thn perifhmh tropologia, h opoia exei prokalesei thn antidrash twn syndikalistwn h qa epimeinei sthn arxikh ths qesh;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai safhs. Stoxos mas einai na epidiwjoyme kai na epityxoyme thn ejygiansh epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy poy einai zhmiogones, poy paroysiazoyn elleimmata pollwn disekatommyriwn draxmwn. Epidiwkoyme na kanoyme kerdofores tis epixeirhseis aytes kai gi' ayto akribws zhtoyme kai apo toys ergazomenoys, me th dikh toys syneisfora, na symbaloyn, wste na epityxoyme ayto to stoxo. Katw apo ayto to prisma diatypwse th sxetikh protash h Kybernhsh. Yparxoyn antidraseis oi opoies einai sebastes. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti apenanti stis peristaseis, oi opoies kaqe allo para eyxaristes einai, den dikaiologoyntai aytoy toy typoy oi antidraseis. Blepete oti ginetai syzhthsh gia to forologiko nomosxedio sth Boylh kai mia sygkekrimenh diatajh poy afora ton kanonismo proswpikoy se orismenes epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, ekeines dhladh poy einai zhmiogones, prokalei mia toso megalh anastatwsh. Pisteyoyme oti den qa eprepe. Asfalws, anagnwrizoyme thn eyaisqhsia poy exoyn oi syndikalistes kai oi ergazomenoi, foboymenoi oti qigontai kekthmena dikaiwmata toys. Den prokeitai kapoios na xasei thn ergasia toy, den prokeitai oi dioikhseis twn epixeirhsewn aytwn na metablhqoyn se aytarxikoys ergodotes, opws kataggelloyn para polloi apo toys syndikalistes. Gnwrizete poly kala oti brisketai se ejelijh mia diadikasia dialogoy, synennohshs. Prepei na yparxei symfwnia. Gia polla qemata exoyme epityxei symfwnia me toys ergazomenoys. Edw yparxei mia diafwnia. H Kybernhsh qa epimeinei, loipon, s' ayth thn kateyqynsh, giati pisteyoyme oti einai anagkaio ayto to metro, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to skopo poy einai, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, h ejygiansh twn zhmiogonwn epixeirhsewn. Kai nomizw oti oloi dexontai pws ayto einai to meizon poy prepei na epidiwjoyme kai na epityxoyme.

D. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qewreite oti einai sygkroysh ths Kybernhshs me toys syndikalistes h me ta syndikata;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti h eyaisqhsia thn opoia epideiknyoyn oi syndikalistes, einai eyaisqhsia thn opoia exoyn oloi oi ergazomenoi. Alla thn idia eyaisqhsia gia ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn thn exei kai h Kybernhsh. Den stereitai eyaisqhsias h Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh, omws, exei eyqynh apenanti sth xwra, sto mellon toy laoy mas, kai gi' ayto kineitai me ayto ton tropo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ena meizon problhma, opws einai oi elleimmatikes epixeirhseis. Epixeirhseis poy einai zhmiogones diarkws. Prepei na kanoyme kapoies tomes. Kaloyme, loipon, ta syndikata, me th qetikh proseggish toys sto problhma, xwris na eqelotyfloyn, proballontas tis eyaisqhsies kai tis antirrhseis toys, telika na symbaloyn, wste apo koinoy na antimetwpisoyme to problhma. Giati einai koino problhma, einai problhma ths xwras. Den apotelei ayth h diafwnia pedio dienejhs metajy Kybernhshs kai syndikatwn, syndikalistwn. Qa prepei isa-isa na apotelei ton koino topo synanthshs mas, prokeimenoy mazi, enwnontas tis dynameis mas, na antimetwpisoyme ena problhma, to opoio einai problhma gia oloys. Ayto einai poy epidiwkoyme.

KARELIAS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti metajy twn antidrwntwn einai kai syndikalistes poy anhkoyn sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Den qa mporoyse na ginei kai alliws, doqentos oti to Kinhma mas diaqetei poly megales dynameis sto syndikalistiko kinhma. Ara, loipon, oi foreis, oi paragontes poy ekproswpoyn to syndikalistiko kinhma se megalo baqmo anhkoyn stis kommatikes dynameis toy PASOK. Pisteyoyn oti etsi deixnoyn thn eyaisqhsia kai to endiaferon toys na yperaspistoyn ta kata th dikh toys apoch symferonta twn ergazomenwn. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti yparxei pedio synennohshs, wste kai ekeinoi na antilhfqoyn, ayth thn wra poy den yparxoyn alla periqwria, oti prepei mazi na poreyqoyme gia na antimetwpisoyme ayto to megalo qema. Ayto einai to mhnyma mas.

FILHS: Epeidh ektos twn syndikalistikwn hgesiwn kai stelexwn kai kybernhtikoi boyleytes, ap' oti akoysame shmera, enantiwnontai s' ayth th meqodeysh kai to periexomeno ths tropologias. O Prwqypoyrgos qa qesei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia thn chfish ths sygkekrimenhs tropologias sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Pragmati, exoyn akoystei polles apoceis gia to qema ayto. Exoyn proklhqei syzhthseis kai poikiles antidraseis. Pisteyoyme oti qa prytaneysei h eyqynh, h opoia sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh epiballei thn epichfish toy nomosxedioy, etsi opws akribws to eishgeitai h Kybernhsh. Kai pisteyoyme oti ayto qa ginei.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai an, epeidh ayth h diatajh den apotelei parakoloyqhma toy proypologismoy, den einai qema esodwn toy Dhmosioy ...

REPPAS: Gi' ayto akribws den xrhsimopoihsa ayto to epixeirhma.

FILHS: Qa yparjei h oxi apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

REPPAS: Eipa oti emeis pisteyoyme oti qa prytaneysei h eyqynh h opoia epiballei thn chfish aytoy toy nomosxedioy. Den einai dynaton -einai yperboliko qa elega- na syzhtoyme gia toso shmantika qemata ypo thn airesh h ton periorismo ths kaloymenhs kommatikhs peiqarxias. H peiqarxia yparxei. Einai h peiqarxia se kapoies arxes, se kapoioys kanones, se kapoies ajies. Einai h peiqarxia en onomati ths eyqynhs poy exoyme oloi mas. Kai ayth thn peiqarxia, apenanti sthn eyqynh poy exoyme na eksygxronisoyme thn koinwnia mas, pisteyw oti panw apo ola prepei na sebomaste kai na throyme.

FILHS: Gia to sygkekrimeno metro, k. Ypoyrge, exei chfistei sygkekrimenh diatajh apo thn Kybernhsh toy PASOK, me Ypoyrgo ton k. Papantwnioy. Synepws, den yparxei qema allaghs ajiwn kai anatrophs toy eksygxronismoy. H erwthsh einai ean qa epimeinei h oxi h Kybernhsh sto na yparjei, apo toys kybernhtikoys boyleytes, epichfish ayths ths diatajhs.

REPPAS: Gnwrizoyme oti aytos o nomos, o opoios chfisthke to 1996, einai nomos poly shmantikos. Nomos eksygxronistikos kai metarryqmistikos. Allwste o titlos toy aytos htan, "gia ton eksygxronismo twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn". Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti eishgage prwtoporiakes ryqmiseis me tis diatajeis toy gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Isxyei to synolo toy nomoy aytoy toy 1996. Aplws, ginetai mia allagh, se mia periptwsh mono, poy afora thn apaithsh ths symfwnhs gnwmhs twn ergazomenwn, prokeimenoy na allajei o genikos kanonismos proswpikoy se mia dhmosia epixeirhsh. Ayto einai mia genikh arxh leitoyrgias. Shmera, proxwroyme s' ayth thn allagh, oson afora tis periptwseis ekeinwn twn elleimmatikwn, twn zhmiogonwn dhladh epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy. Den aposyroyme sto synolo ths ayth th ryqmish. Antimetwpizoyme mono ena poly sygkekrimeno qema, epeidh pisteyoyme oti o meizwn stoxos, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, einai akribws h ejygiansh twn epixeirhsewn, prokeimenoy na katastei dynaton kapoia stigmh na ginoyn kai aytes kerdofores. Ayto epidiwkoyme. Kai nomizw oti ayto einai epibeblhmeno na to kanoyme.

D. KAMPOYRAKHS: Me poia logikh ta syndikata stis epixeirhseis poy einai kerdofores einai ypeyqyna kai ta syndikata stis epixeirhseis poy den einai kerdofores den einai ypeyqyna;

REPPAS: Ta syndikata exoyn to rolo kai thn paroysia toys se oles tis periptwseis. Aplws, prepei na poyme oti oi epixeirhseis oi opoies einai zhmiogones, exoyn ginei zhmiogones, metajy twn allwn, epeidh antimetwpizoyn kai kapoia eswterika, leitoyrgika problhmata. An den htan zhmiogones, qa mporoyse kapoios na pei oti den einai dikaiologhmenos o isxyrismos oti yparxoyn ayta ta eswterika problhmata, doqentos oti epitygxanetai h kerdoforia twn epixeirhsewn. Otan, omws, exeis elleimmatikes epixeirhseis, prepei na antimetwpiseis to synolo twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn mia tetoia epixeirhsh.

MIXAHL: Poios eyqynetai gi' ayta, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Eyqynomaste oloi mas kyrie Mixahl. Oloi mas eyqynomaste giati...

MIXAHL: Egw den aisqanomai eyqynh, toylaxiston, kai to idio pisteyw kai oi ypoloipoi synadelfoi.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai sxhma logoy ayto poy eipa. Otan lew eyqynomaste oloi mas, asfalws, den eyqynetai o kaqe poliths xwrista. Alla, gnwrizete poly kala oti oi staqmiseis, tis opoies kanei h Kybernhsh kaqe fora, prepei na einai tetoies, poy afenos, na deixnoyn kai thn eyaisqhsia poy exei, wste na krata se xamhlo epipedo p.x. to eisithrio twn Astikwn Sygkoinwniwn -giati ta Mesa Mazikhs Metaforas oi ergazomenoi polites ta xrhsimopoioyn kaqhmerina, den ta xrhsimopoioyn aytoi poy exoyn dika toys Mesa Metaforas- kai afeteroy, peran ths eyaisqhsias ayths, prepei na deijoyme endiaferon, wste oi epixeirhseis aytes na einai ygieis epixeirhseis. Ayto to syndyasmo epidiwkoyme na epityxoyme. Den einai eykolo. Pisteyw, omws, oti ajizei na prospaqhsoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh kai ayto kanoyme.

MIXAHL: Ektimate oti htan lanqasmenes oi epiloges palaioterwn Kybernhsewn na sthrijoyn toys apergiakoys agwnes, poy katelhjan se sygkekrimenes lyseis, stis Astikes Sygkoinwnies, ston OSE kai alloy;

REPPAS: As mhn kanoyme istorikh anadromh. Exoyn perasei polla apo tote. Emeis, gnwrizete poly kala, anhkoyme se ena komma, to opoio exei mia poly shmantikh paradosh sto syndikalistiko kinhma ths newterhs politikhs istorias. Sthn periodo meta to 1974 to PASOK, kat' epanalhch, milhse, peran toy Koinoboylioy, gia to Syndikalismo kai thn Aytodioikhsh. Kai sto Syndikalismo kai sthn Aytodioikhsh polles kainotomies exoyme eisagagei, me nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy phrame, me metra politikhs ta opoia efarmosame. Ayto den shmainei oti den prepei, enw exoyme ayto to plaisio qesewn, se kaqe sygkekrimenh periptwsh na antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata ta opoia ek twn pragmatwn exoyn prokycei. Kai mesa se ayta ta problhmata prepei na kanoyme sygkekrimenes parembaseis. Ayto epixeiroyme.

FILHS: Me bash thn twrinh empeiria kai tis apoceis twn Syndikatwn oti yphrje kybernhtikos aifnidiasmos, h Kybernhsh qa epimeinei se ayth thn taktikh na fernei kai alles asxetes tropologies se nomosxedia, tropologies poy dhmioyrgoyn synolikh anataraxh xwris dialogo nwritera;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh ayth einai h teleytaia poy mporei na kathgorhqei oti aifnidiazei me tropologies, tis opoies kataqetei sth Boylh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o ariqmos twn tropologiwn exei perioristei, ews ejafanistei. Kalo einai, kai exei dwsei sygkekrimenh entolh o Prwqypoyrgos se oloys toys Ypoyrgoys, ola ta nomosxedia otan katatiqentai sth Boylh na einai etsi epejergasmena wste -oxi mono gia asxeta qemata, alla kai gia to antikeimeno poy apotelei to basiko antikeimeno toy kaqe nomosxedioy- na mhn yparxoyn epiprosqetes tropologies. H Kybernhsh h opoia exei egkaqidrysei sthn Ellada ton koinwniko dialogo, den prepei na kathgoreitai gia apofygh synennohshs h epikoinwnias h epidiwjhs synaineshs me toys ergazomenoys. Einai ena qema to opoio antimetwpisame kaqws syzhtoysame ta toy Proypologismoy kai toy Forologikoy Systhmatos ths xwras. Kai me ayth thn ennoia qewroyme pws einai epikairh kai exei th qesh ths se ena tetoio nomosxedio h sygkekrimenh diatajh.

FILHS: Giati den ton proteinate ston koinwniko dialogo kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin epeidh katalaba poia einai h erwthsh thn opoia qa kanate. Eipa, loipon, syzhtwntas ta toy Proypologismoy -kai afoy eixe oloklhrwqei o koinwnikos dialogos- kai ta toy forologikoy systhmatos, oti qewroyme epikairh kai epibeblhmenh ayth th diatajh.

FILHS: Giati den to proteinate kata th diarkeia toy koinwnikoy dialogoy, otan blepw oti ayto prokalei mia megalh koinwnikh anataraxh;

REPPAS: Den mporeis na probleceis panta to baqmo ths koinwnikhs anataraxhs. Ayto to opoio, omws, den mporeis na probleceis, epishs, einai o baqmos wrimothtas kai eyqynhs poy qa epideijoyn oles oi pleyres, otan kaloyntai na asxolhqoyn me ena meizon qema. Kai h leitoyrgia zhmiogonwn, elleimmatikwn epixeirhsewn sthn Ellada, einai meizon qema. Prepei na to antimetwpisoyme. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

KANELLAKHS: Xqes, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, k. Pagkalos, se synenteyjh toy kalese thn Toyrkia na prosfygei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs kai gia ta 10 milia toy enaerioy xwroy. Yphrje kapoia antidrash apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei h opoiadhpote antidrash. O k. Pagkalos htan poly safhs. An qelete na kanw ena sxolio, pisteyw oti den qa yparxei antidrash apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, oyte ayrio, oyte meqayrio, oyte sto problepto mellon. H Toyrkia den nomizw oti qa epidiwjei na anoijei sxeseis me to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs gia logoys poy oloi antilambaneste. Ayto einai mia megalh proklhsh, sthn opoia kaloyme thn Toyrkia na antapokriqei. Pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia adynatei na antapokriqei se ayth thn proklhsh. Elpizoyme na jeperasei ayth thn adynamia. To eyxomaste, den to blepoyme, omws, san piqano.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H idia protroph gia prosfygh sth Xagh, apeyqynetai kai sthn Oyasigkton;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxoyn aytoy toy eidoys ellhnoamerikanikes diafores, gia tis opoies mporei to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, logw armodiothtas, na epilhfqei. Ellhnotoyrkika qemata, ta opoia einai anoikta kai logw armodiothtas to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs exei logo, yparxoyn. Ayth einai h diafora.

KIAOS: H prosklhsh ayth toy k. Pagkaloy pros thn Toyrkia, erxetai prosqetika sta twn Imiwn kai sthn yfalokrhpida;

REPPAS: H politikh mas gia ola ayta ta qemata einai safhs. Exoyme pei pws antimetwpizoyme to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Exoyme pei poia einai h politikh mas gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos poy dhmioyrghsan oi geitones sta Imia. Exoyme pei poia einai h politikh mas gia to qema toy enaerioy h qalassioy xwroy. Ayto to opoio eipe o k. Pagkalos kai epanalambanw me mia mono protash, einai toyto: Kaqenas, kai h Toyrkia en prokeimenw, an qewrei oti yparxoyn qemata, as parei thn prwtoboylia na apeyqynqei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, na qesei ayta ta qemata, anti na epidiwkei di' alloy tropoy, me thn atakth stratiwtikh drash, na antimetwpisei kai na lysei ayta ta qemata poy pisteyei oti yparxoyn. Ayth einai h diafora. Eipe epishs o k. Pagkalos, oti emeis prospaqoyme kai epiqymoyme na ejeyrwpaistei h Toyrkia kai oxi na ektoyrkistoyme emeis h h Eyrwph. Giati telika, opws exw pei kai palaiotera, h Toyrkia den epiqymei na entaxqei sthn Eyrwph, epidiwkei h Eyrwph na entaxqei sthn Toyrkia. An, loipon, h Toyrkia qelei na exei ayth thn eyrwpaikh troxia, an filodojei na entaxqei h na breqei se armonia h politikh ths me th dieqnh ennomh tajh, as ajiopoihsei tis dynatothtes toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, gia qemata poy pisteyei oti yparxoyn, anti na katafeygei se aytes tis epiqetikes kai proklhtikes energeies. Ayto einai to qema. Ayta leei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa kai epanalambanw, epeidh den exei paroysiastei allh fora tetoia protash, ek meroys stelexoys ths Kybernhsews: To qema prosklhsews ths Toyrkias sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs gia ton enaerio xwro, prostiqetai mazi me tis prosklhseis gia ta Imia kai thn yfalokrhpida;

REPPAS: Eipa oti gia ta dyo qemata, sta opoia anaferqhkate, exoyme kanei mia sygkekrimenh protash. Einai to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, einai to qema twn Imiwn. To qema toy qalassioy kai enaerioy xwroy breqhke sthn epikairothta, tis teleytaies hmeres. Epanhlqe pali ws qema sth xqesinh synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Den yparxei kapoia sygkekrimenh protash. Alla, gi ayto to qema, opws gia ola ta qemata, leme oti opoiadhpote xwra qewrei oti yparxei problhma, qa prepei to problhma ayto na epidiwkei na to antimetwpisei mesa apo tis diadikasies toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, anti na katafeygei sthn atakth stratiwtikh drash, me proklhtikes kai epiqetikes energeies, se baros twn geitonwn ths. Ayto einai mia genikh qesh. Den einai kapoia protash eidika gia ton enaerio xwro. Poly perissotero otan ayta einai aposafhnismena apo kanones dikaioy, apo thn praktikh poy akoloyqeitai epi 10eties. Kai se teleytaia analysh den einai dynaton na syzhtas ayta ta qemata h na ta diapragmateyesai me opoiondhpote trito. Ayto to opoio eipa, gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh, einai toyto: Opoios qewrei oti yparxei problhma mporei na ajiopoihsei tis diadikasies toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

ROYMPANHS: Jekinhsame apo thn yfalokrhpida. Zhthsame parapomph toy qematos sth Xagh. Meta apo ligo kairo pame sto qema twn Imiwn. Erxomaste xqes kai proteinoyme parapomph kai toy qematos toy enaerioy xwroy se sxesh me ta naytika milia. O,ti ki an qewrei problhma h opoiadhpote xwra poy geitoneyei se mas proteinete na kanei prosfygh sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs; Einai gia paradeigma oi "gkrizes zwnes". H Agkyra yposthrizei oti yparxoyn "gkrizes zwnes" sto Aigaio. Proteinoyme to idio kai gia tis "gkrizes zwnes";

REPPAS: H protash mas einai poly sygkekrimenh, gia dyo qemata, ta opoia exoyn entona apasxolhsei th xwra mas: To qema ths yfalokrhpidas, edw kai para polla xronia, to qema twn Imiwn edw kai dyo xronia. Apo kei kai pera einai mia qesh gia ton tropo me ton opoio kapoia xwra prepei na probalei ta qemata ta opoia qewrei oti yparxoyn kai na diekdikei th lysh toys. Ayth einai h qesh thn opoia ejefrase o k. Pagkalos. Einai kati poy dikaioytai kai h Ellada. Kai h Ellada mporei na prosfygei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs kai na qesei diafora qemata, ta opoia qewrei oti yparxoyn stis sxeseis ths me geitonikes xwres. To idio kaloyme na kanei kai h Toyrkia, an nomizei oti yparxoyn qemata ta opoia prepei na ferei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. As ta ferei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Ayth einai h synolikh qesh mas. Den kanoyme kapoia protash na parei prwtoboylia gia na antimetwpisei sygkekrimeno qema, epeidh dhqen gia sygkekrimeno qema emeis qewroyme oti yparxei problhma. Mhn ginei kapoia tetoia paranohsh.

MOYRTZHS: Dhladh an paroysiasei h Toyrkia mia lista me diafores poy exei me thn Ellada, emeis qa apodexqoyme synolika na syzhthqoyn ta qemata sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs;

REPPAS: Akoyste, twra, kanoyme mia poly qewrhtikh syzhthsh. Eipate "an paroysiasei h Toyrkia qemata". Prepei na sas pw oti h Toyrkia apexei poly apo to na mporei na to kanei ayto. Poly perissotero otan den exei dexqei th dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Kai egw ektimw oti den prokeitai na th dexqei, gia dikoys ths logoys. Me ayth thn ennoia einai poly qewrhtikh ayth h syzhthsh. H Toyrkia einai ekteqeimenh, kaqws apexei apo th sxesh thn opoia alles xwres exoyn synacei me to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, mesw ths anagnwrishs ths dikaiodosias toy. Me ayth thn ennoia den mporei, ek twn pragmatwn, ej antikeimenoy, na antimetwpisei di aytoy toy tropoy, poy eseis ypoqetete, tetoia qemata.

Eyxaristw poly.


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