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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-09-15

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Gnwrizete gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto 4o Lykeio Galatsioy. Exoyn ginei sxetikes dhlwseis.

* Qa moy epitrecete na sas enhmerwsw gia thn katastash sthn Albania: Shmera, h katastash einai kalyterh. Einai eyxaristh ayth h ejelijh. Makari mexri teloys ta pragmata na synexisoyn sthn kateyqynsh ths plhroys ektonwshs ths krishs. Prepei na eimaste se epifylakh kai xreiazetai oi politikoi paragontes ths Albanias na askhsoyn to rolo toys ypeyqyna ston ypertato baqmo, prokeimenoy na odhghsoyn th xwra toys sthn omalopoihsh, thn hremia kai thn proodo.

Epikeitai, tis epomenes hmeres -einai piqanotero na ginei thn Pempth- synanthsh gia to qema ths Albanias twn armodiwn Dieyqyntwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E. stis Bryjelles. Analogws twn ejelijewn einai piqano na ginei kai synergasia se epipedo, pleon, politikwn Dieyqyntwn sto plaisio twn ergasiwn ths Syneleyshs toy OHE, thn erxomenh bdomada.

Gnwrizete oti exei apaxqei o Nomarxhs Argyrokastroy. Exei entolh o Projenos ths xwras mas sthn Albania k. Kakioyshs, na epidiwjei na apokatasthsei epafh me toys ypeyqynoys apagwgeis, gia na zhthsei thn amesh apeleyqerwsh toy Nomarxh.

Oi dynameis mas briskontai se ayjhmenh etoimothta. Den exoyn parathrhqei fainomena tetoia, ta opoia na mas odhgoyn sto symperasma -toylaxiston etsi opws exoyn ta pragmata mexri ayth th stigmh- oti qa exoyme kyma prosfygwn, metakinhsh megalwn tmhmatwn plhqysmoy pros to Noto. Einai kai ayto ena stoixeio to opoio deixnei oti h katastash sthn Albania, isws, jeperase thn krisimh kamph ths.

Ayta gia thn katastash sth geitonikh xwra.

* Qa moy epitrecete prin dextw tis erwthseis sas, na eyxhqw sthn efhmerida "Kaqhmerinh" poy symplhrwnei 80 xronia ekdoshs, na makrohmereysei, me ychlo kyros kai ychles kyklofories. Oi eyxes moy apeyqynontai kai stoys ergazomenoys, bebaia, ths efhmeridas. Se oles tis periptwseis, idiaiterws se ena meso enhmerwshs, oi ergazomenoi einai aytoi oi opoioi -mporei kapoios abiasta na pei- apoteloyn thn cyxh, thn atmomhxanh h ton paragonta epityxias toy mesoy aytoy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Otan lete "se ayjhmenh etoimothta oi dynameis mas" poies ennoeite; Tis stratiwtikes dynameis mas sth ellhnoalbanikh meqorio h toys 250 ths ellhnikhs dynamhs ;

REPPAS: Etsi ki alliws einai panta se etoimothta oi dynameis sthn ellhnoalbanikh meqorio. Mporoyme na milhsoyme gia ayjhmenh etoimothta, xwris na bgazete to symperasma oti exoyme mia enisxysh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn. Bebaiws, yparxoyn oi dynameis sthn Albania, sto Ismperis. Einai mia stratiwtikh monada 250 kai pleon, andrwn. Bebaiws, h monada ayth epagrypna, einai se etoimothta. Den exei parathrhqei, omws, sto stratopedo ayto o, tidhpote to opoio na dhmioyrgei prosqeta problhmata sthn paramonh ths monadas, oyte exei anaptyjei kapoia drasthriothta. Den xreiasthke ayto toylaxiston mexri twra. Epanalambanw, qa prepei na anamenoyme th syzhthsh h opoia qa ginei sto plaisio ths E. E. Qa ektimhqei h katastash pws ejelissetai kai analogws qa lhfqoyn apofaseis.

MIXAHL: Ejhgeiste mas ep' aytoy: Otan lete se epipedo "politikwn Dieyqyntwn" ennoeite toys monimoys antiproswpoys mas sthn E. E. h toys politikoys Dieyqyntes toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: To deytero poy anaferate. Yparxoyn oi armodioi Dieyqyntes oi opoioi qa syskefqoyn, meqayrio. Oi armodioi Dieyqyntes einai aytoi poy parakoloyqoyn mia orismenh perioxh. O k. Koranths einai o armodios Dieyqynths gia ta Balkania. Politikos Dieyqynths einai o k. Goynarhs.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh anemene aytes tis ejelijeis sthn Albania;

REPPAS: Tis ejelijeis aytes sthn Albania, pisteyw oti den tis anemene oyte h Kybernhsh ths Albanias. Asfalws, oi ejelijeis aytes den einai eyxaristes. Qa elega oti aifnidiasan th Dieqnh Koinothta, h opoia antedrase me dhlwseis politikes, anagnwrizontas sth nomimh kybernhsh ths Albanias to dikaiwma na antimetwpisei ayth thn krish. Aytes oi politikes dhlwseis eixan mia staqeropoihtikh kai apotelesmatikh epidrash kai epaijan qetiko rolo. Elpizoyme na exei kleisei ton kyklo ths ayth h krish, alla pantote xreiazetai na eimaste se epagrypnhsh, giati den einai dynaton logw twn idiaiterwn synqhkwn poy epikratoyn sthn Albania, na eimaste apolytws bebaioi oti h krish exei parelqei.

MIXAHL: Me dedomeno, opws mas eipate, to aifnidio twn ejelijewn toso sthn Ellada oso kai sth Dieqnh Koinothta, ektimate eseis oti yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis sto politiko systhma ths Albanias wste na mhn ekdhlwnontai tetoioy eidoys kriseis;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti exei kanei shmantika bhmata h Albania. To Koinoboylio ths geitonikhs xwras me kopo kai qysia, qa elega, exei katakthsei ena epipedo leitoyrgias ikanopoihtiko. Pisteyoyme oti oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi, an oxi plhrws se kapoio shmantiko baqmo, pantote leitoyrgoyn. Qa prepei na ajiopoihqoyn oles aytes oi qesmikes leitoyrgies gia na antimetwpisoyn ta eswterika problhmata. Ta problhmata ayta apoteloyn eswterikh ypoqesh ths Albanias. Oles, oi xwres, h kaqe mia gia diko ths logo, exoyn endiaferon gia tis ejelijeis sthn Albania. Alla bebaiws, epanalambanw, qa prepei h hgesia ths Albanias na antimetwpisei to problhma sth xwra ths.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kindyneyoyn 'Ellhnes ekei; An oxi sth notia Albania, sto Argyrokastro kai alloy; Exete plhroforhsh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote tetoia plhroforia. Den exoyme fainomena ta opoia na odhgoyn se ena tetoio symperasma. H ellhnikh koinothta, logw kai toy endiaferontos poy exei epideijei h Kybernhsh, mporoyme na poyme oti zei me asfaleia, den diatrexei kindyno. Parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis kai to qema ayto -h asfaleia ths ellhnikhs meionothtas sthn Albania- gia mas apotelei shmeio idiaiteroy endiaferontos kai gi' ayto, an xreiastei, qa kanoyme o, ti prepei, prokeimenoy na diathrhqoyn aytes oi synqhkes asfaleias gia toys Ellhnes poy diabioyn ekei.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Exei metadoqei oti to ypokatasthma ths EQNIKHS Trapezhs sta Tirana exei dexqei epiqesh; Gnwrizete eseis tipota sxetiko;

REPPAS: Eginan epiqeseis se diafora kentrika ktiria.

KIAOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti leitoyrgei to Katasthma ayto. Epiqeseis dexthkan diafora ktiria sto kentro twn Tiranwn kai to Katasthma ths EQNIKHS brisketai sthn kentrikh perioxh ths albanikhs prwteyoysas kai mporei na egine stoxos. Me tis plhrofories poy exoyme ayth thn wra, h leitoyrgia einai pleon omalh. Kai fainetai oti kai se alloys Organismoys toy Dhmosioy opoy ekdhlwqhkan fainomena anataraxhs, epanerxetai mia omalh leitoyrgia.

GKORO: O Sali Mperisa, shmera to prwi, se omilia toy eipe oti den prepei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai o k. Shmiths na anakateyontai sta eswterika ths Albanias kai prosqese oti...

REPPAS: H Ellada kai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos den exoyn opoiadhpote anameijh sta eswterika ths Albanias. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy kaname, xqes. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h paroysia mas ekei einai apotelesma dieqnwn prwtoboyliwn. Kai sto plaisio ayths ths dieqnoys synergasias, meta thn prosfath krish sthn Albania, exoyme ekei mia paroysia, h opoia pisteyoyme oti einai xrhsimh gia thn Albania. Giati oi maximoi Ellhnes, se megalo pososto, einai kai episthmones, oi opoioi prosferoyn th gnwsh toys gia thn anasygkrothsh ths filhs xwras. Shmera, egine h sygkentrwsh sto kentro twn Tiranwn sthn opoia aphyqyne logo o k. Mperisa. To qetiko to opoio, ayth thn wra, epishmainw einai oti o k. Mperisa katadikase prajeis bias. Ki ayto einai para poly qetiko. Afoy, loipon, oloi oi ypeyqynoi politikoi paragontes ths Albanias katadikazoyn ta fainomena bias, pisteyw oti exei ginei to prwto kai poly shmantiko bhma, na apomonwqoyn, meta thn apodokimasia ayth, oloi ekeinoi oi mhxanismoi, oi foreis kai ta atoma poy meterxontai tetoies meqodoys, prokeimenoy na epityxoyn toys stoxoys toys.

BITALHS: Fobatai h Aqhna, oti h krish poy yparxei akoma se ejelijh sthn Albania, oso ki an exoyn hremhsei ta pragmata, qa exei kapoies epiptwseis sto Kossyfopedio;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra den fainetai kati tetoio. Oydeis, omws, mporei na apokleisei to endexomeno, an synthrhqei epi makron h krish sthn Albania na exei alysidwtes epiptwseis se alles geitonikes perioxes kai sto Kossyfopedio. Einai kati poy den to eyxomaste. Den eyxomaste na parameinei h krish ayth sthn Albania. Pantws, mexri twra, den exoyme stoixeia poy na odhgoyn se ena tetoio symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prowqeite me to nomosxedio gia th chfiakh kapoies diatajeis, poy apallassoyn apo to aggelioshmo eparxiakoys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Giati ginetai ayto; Qa plhrwsete eseis to aggelioshmo;

REPPAS: To qema toy aggelioshmoy einai qema poy mas apasxolhse ws Kybernhsh kai emena ws Ypoyrgo apo tis prwtes hmeres ths ypoyrgikhs qhteias moy. Kaname mia epanastash. Proxwrhsame, me nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy analabame, se allagh toy tropoy eisprajhs kai apodoshs aytoy toy koinwnikoy poroy, me apotelesma ta asfalistika Tameia, ta opoia eixan diaqesima ekatontades ekatommyria, na exoyn shmera sth diaqesh toys kapoies dekades disekatommyriwn draxmwn, ws apotelesma ayths ths poly logikhs kai eystoxhs ryqmishs sthn opoia proxwrhsame. Mexri tote, to aggelioshmo eisprattontan apo ta Mesa Enhmerwshs kai eprepe en synexeia na apodoqei stoys dikaioyxoys foreis, ta asfalistika Tameia. To qema ayto eixe syzhthqei, kat' epanalhch, logw ths kaqysterhshs h ths ameleias apo thn pleyra twn forewn, na apodwsoyn ta posa poy antistoixoysan sto aggelioshmo, sta asfalistika Tameia. Ayto dhmioyrghse polla problhmata. Emeis proxwrhsame se mia poly aysthrh ryqmish, basei ths opoias ta posa poy antistoixoyn sto aggelioshmo gia tis diafhmiseis poy proballontai h kataxwroyntai, apodidontai apeyqeias, pleon, sta dikaioyxa asfalistika Tameia. Sto plaisio syzhthsewn poy eixame me toys armodioys koinwnikoys foreis kai ta antistoixa asfalistika Tameia, eixame pei pws qa proxwrhsoyme sthn apallagh apo thn ypoxrewsh eisprajhs kai apodoshs toy aggelioshmoy apo ta perifereiaka kai topika hlektronika Mesa Enhmerwshs, otan ayta diafhmizoyn proionta h yphresies poy paragontai, diatiqentai kai diakinoyntai sthn perioxh, sthn opoia ekpempoyn to programma toys, ektos twn nomwn Attikhs kai Qessalonikhs. Ayto to kanoyme, gia na enisxysoyme thn topikh epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Na dwsoyme, dhladh, th dynatothta se topikoys h perifereiakoys paragwgoys na diafhmisoyn ta proionta kai tis yphresies toys me xamhloterh diafhmistikh dapanh. To qema ayto, ektos apo thn Kybernhsh, to eqesan kai alla kommata sthn ellhnikh Boylh, o k. Tsobolas to 1996, o k. Korakas, gia logariasmo toy KKE, argotera, sthn kateyqynsh na proxwrhsoyme se mia tetoia ryqmish. Apotelese antikeimeno syzhthshs, arketes fores, metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy kai twn emplekomenwn koinwnikwn forewn. Exoyn antallagei apoceis, exoyn diatypwqei idees kai qeseis. To kanoyme ayto, afenos, gia na enisxysoyme thn topikh epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta kai afeteroy gia na qwrakisoyme akomh perissotero ton koinwniko poro, to qesmo -an qelete- toy aggelioshmoy, apenanti se opoion kakoboylo h kakopisto epixeirhsei na ton yponomeysei kai na ton katarghsei. Oi ryqmiseis poy kanoyme sto sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, sxetika me to aggelioshmo, pisteyoyme oti kaqistoyn aprosblhto to aggelioshmo, enanti opoiasdhpote prwtoboylias analhfqei gia thn katarghsh toy. Kai ayto giati me logiko kai antikeimeniko tropo, problepoyme poioi einai aytoi poy ypoxreoyntai na eisprattoyn kai na apodidoyn to aggelioshmo, opws epishs, problepoyme kai tis sygkekrimenes ekeines ejaireseis poy einai fysiologiko na mhn ypokeintai se analogh ypoxrewsh. Ayth einai h ryqmish sthn opoia proxwroyme. To qema ayto mas exei apasxolhsei para poly kairo. Xqes, dexqhka toys epikefalhs twn Enwsewn sas. Syzhthsame, pali, ayto to qema. Toys ejhghsa tis apoceis mas kai pali kai toys diabebaiwsa -to pisteyw apolyta ayto- oti oi ryqmiseis stis opoies proxwroyme einai oi kalyteres yper toy aggelioshmoy. An yparxei opoiadhpote allh apoch, na thn akoysw. Zhthsa, de, na klhqw se opoio xwro h organo h syskech mporei na organwsoyn oi foreis sas gia na anaptyjw aytes tis apoceis. Giati pisteyw akradanta oti einai apoceis yper toy aggelioshmoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios qa plhrwnei thn ergodotikh eisfora twn ergazomenwn, twn dhmosiografwn kai twn allwn poy doyleyoyn sta kanalia ayta; Qa thn plhrwnei to kratos;

REPPAS: Den katexete kala to qema kai parakalw na prosexete, giati dhmioyrgeite problhma gia toys synadelfoys sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den toys dhmioyrgw problhma. To aggelioshmo qa to plhrwnoyn oi ergodotes;

REPPAS: Prwton, to aggelioshmo synexizei na yparxei ws ypoxrewsh, efoson diafhmizontai kai sta topika kai perifereiaka hlektronika mesa proionta ta opoia den paragontai kai den diatiqentai h diakinoyntai apokleistika se sygkekrimenh perioxh. Ara, loipon, h ypoxrewsh gia thn eisprajh kai apodosh toy aggelioshmoy paramenei gia to megalytero pososto diafhmishs poy filojeneitai kai sta perifereiaka Mesa Enhmerwshs. O poros aytos den katargeitai. Deyteron -kai edw yparxei ena problhma, to opoio eseis qesate kai me anagkazete na apanthsw- me th dikh sas logikh, an ta perifereiaka kai topika Mesa Enhmerwshs den diaqetoyn ergazomenoys asfalismenoys sta Tameia sas, den qa prepei me thn eisprajh toy aggelioshmoy na trofodotoyn me ton poro ayto ta Tameia sas. Ma, ayto einai to epixeirhma poy xrhsimopoioyn oi polemioi toy aggelioshmoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eipa, egw, tetoio pragma.

REPPAS: Ayto eipate. Eipate, prwton, oti otan exoyn ergazomenoys asfalismenoys sta Tameia, poios qa plhrwnei thn ergodotikh eisfora, an den apodidoyn to aggelioshmo. Kai sas apantw oti to aggelioshmo apodidetai gia ta proionta ta opoia einai paragwghs kai diakinhshs ektos sygkekrimenhs perioxhs, poy ayth h diafhmish apotelei kai to megalytero tmhma. Kai deyteron, kata th dikh sas logikh, thn opoia exoyn kai apo aythn emforoyntai arketoi twn topikwn kai perifereiakwn Meswn Enhmerwshs, an oi ergazomenoi toys den einai asfalismenoi sta Tameia sas -ayto lete- giati einai ypoxrewmenoi na plhrwnoyn aggelioshmo se ena Tameio apo to opoio den yparxei antapodosh; Gi` ayto sas lew, mh biazeste kai mpainete se qemata ta opoia den katexete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwnhsan mazi sas oi foreis, h ESHEA, h POESY;

REPPAS: Exoyme syzhthsei kat` epanalhch. Treis fores synanthqhkame thn teleytaia ebdomada. Parakalw poly, einai ena qema poy exei teqei prin apo to 1996 kai to exoyme syzhthsei ejantlhtika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwnhse kanenas apo thn pleyra th dikh mas mazi sas; Kanenas.

REPPAS: To oti den exoyn synypogracei mia diatajh, dhlwnontas etsi th symfwnia toys, den shmainei oti emeis payoyme na exoyme to dikaiwma na proxwroyme se ryqmiseis poy qewroyme oti einai logikes. Den antilambanomai poio einai to epixeirhma to opoio krybetai sthn erwthsh sas. Epeidh den symfwnhsan, den prepei na proxwrhsoyme se mia ryqmish, h opoia einai dikaih kai logikh; Asfalws, qa proxwrhsoyme. Allwste, syzhthsa me toys foreis sas, thn prohgoymenh Trith, to brady, thn paramonh ths enarjhs ths syzhthshs toy nomosxedioy sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Prepei na sas pw oti h syzhthsh peristrafhke gyrw apo tis diatypwseis tis opoies prepei na exoyn oi sygkekrimenes aytes diatajeis. Den diatypwqhke antirrhsh me aithma thn aposyrsh twn diatajewn. Meta apo mia-dyo hmeres, elaba mia epistolh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy symfwnoyn, giati zhthsan na doyn ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Na rwthsete toys idioys, poios einai o logos poy toys odhghse na zhthsoyn ayth th synanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy symfwnoyn...

REPPAS: Den eipa oti symfwnoyn. Eipa oti esteilan epistolh kai zhtoyn na mhn proxwrhsoyme sthn chfish aytwn twn diatajewn. Alla ayto egine sto teleytaio stadio kai afoy to nomosxedio syzhtiotan sthn Epitroph. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

FILHS: Se allo qema. Shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos phge sto 4o Lykeio Galatsioy. Proxqes, eixan paei kai alloi paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs, olo to Ierateio, kata mia ennoia, o k. Arsenhs, o k. Xristodoylos, ypochfioi nomarxes, ypochfioi dhmarxoi. Mexri poio epipedo qa mporoyn na phgainoyn kata th gnwmh sas kai mexri poio xroniko diasthma oi diaforoi paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs qa phgainoyn na syzhtoyn me toys maqhtes, estw gia liga lepta;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai poio einai to nohma ths erwthshs sas. Opoios armodios exei endiaferon, sebomenos to programma me to opoio leitoyrgoyn ta sxoleia kai meta apo synennohsh me th Dieyqynsh kapoioy sxoleioy, pisteyw oti den prepei na empodizetai na gnwrizei ta problhmata twn sxoleiwn, ta problhmata ths ekpaideyshs, wste na mporei etsi, exontas ayth th gnwsh ws oplo sth diaqesh toy, na symballei sthn antimetwpish aytwn twn problhmatwn.

FILHS: Dhladh, enas ypochfios dhmotikos symboylos mporei na zhthsei ki aytos na paei; Mia topikh organwsh enos kommatos, as poyme, mporei na zhthsei kai ayth na paei sto sxoleio na milhsei me ta paidia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti ayto einai kati poy mporei na ginetai entos plaisioy poy h koinh logikh orizei kai oti ayth h praktikh akoloyqeitai apo toys politikoys arxhgoys se polles periptwseis. Den exoyme to fainomeno politikwn arxhgwn poy episkeptontai dhmosies yphresies, syzhtoyn me ypoyrgoys, syzhtoyn me epikefalhs diaforwn tmhmatwn gia ta qemata twn yphresiwn h ta problhmata twn ergazomenwn; To exei kanei o k. Kwnstantopoylos, to exei kanei h ka Paparhga, to exoyn kanei stelexh olwn twn kommatwn. Alla, bebaiws, ayto prepei na ginetai entos logikwn plaisiwn kai meta apo synennohsh, wste na mhn parempodizetai h leitoyrgia eite twn sxoleiwn, eite twn allwn yphresiwn. Kai nomizw oti ayto threitai, oti den dhmioyrgeitai problhma.

FILHS: Kata th gnwmh sas, mia Trapeza kai ena sxoleio einai ths idias leitoyrgias h yparxei mia diafora leitoyrgikothtas;

REPPAS: Einai, mia erwthsh sthn opoia... adynatw na apanthsw. Me briskete aproetoimasto!

FILHS: To oti eiste aproetoimastos, einai kati poy afora esas kai ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Eimai aproetoimastos na apanthsw!!

FILHS: Sas rwtw, loipon, twra, an synexistei to fainomeno ayto, na phgainoyn diaforoi paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs kai na bgazoyn logoys sta sxoleia, einai kati to opoio qa epitrecei h Kybernhsh kai o armodios ypoyrgos h qetei orismena oria s' ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Ta sxoleia leitoyrgoyn me sygkekrimeno programma, to opoio ginetai sebasto. Den nomizw oti qigetai h leitoyrgia toys, an epifaneis paragontes ths politikhs h ths dhmosias zwhs exoyn to endiaferon na epikoinwnhsoyn me toys maqhtes kai na gnwrisoyn apo konta ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei h ekpaideysh.

FILHS: Oi ejomologhtes einai to problhma.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti einai apo toys epifaneis paragontes gia toys opoioys milhsa prin.

SOYGLERHS: H "Apogeymatinh" fernei shmera sth dhmosiothta ena eggrafo-eishghsh toy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy toy k. Kosmidh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo gia katarghsh eji ypoyrgeiwn kai meiwsh twn nomarxiwn kai twn perifereiwn sthn Ellada. Isxyei kati tetoio; Yparxei tetoio eggrafo; Yparxei tetoia eishghsh;

REPPAS: Eggrafo yparxei. Polla eggrafa yparxoyn kai exoyn diatypwqei, kata kairoys, eishghseis gia polla qemata. Ayth h sygkekrimenh eishghsh exei diatypwqei edw kai perissotero apo ena xrono, alla, den yparxei o, tidhpote allo to opoio na synista allagh sthn qesh ths Kybernhshs gia ta qemata ayta. Den yfistatai qema, dhladh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qeloyme mia apanthsh gia thn parembash poy kanate sthn ET-3 gia th diakoph ths ekpomphs toy k. Rafahlidh kai ti mellei genesqai ep' aytoy, ws kroysma h na to xarakthrisw alliws, ws gegonos sygkekrimenhs efarmoghs politikhs agwghs ths kratikhs thleorashs.

REPPAS: Giati eiste toso kathgorhmatikos, oti ekana egw opoiasdhpote morfhs energeia;

MIXAHL: Oi plhrofories poy exw anaferoyn oti egine me dikh sas prwtoboylia. To diaceydete ayto; Dhmosieythke sto Typo.

REPPAS: Gnwrizei o k. Rafahlidhs, o opoios epikoinwnhse mazi moy kai me ton opoio milhsa, oti den exw opoiadhpote anameijh s' ayto to qema, gia enan poly aplo logo, ton opoion eipa kai ston idio, eyqarsws: Giati den gnwriza kan oti yparxei tetoia ekpomph sthn ET-3, opws den gnwrizw to megalytero meros twn programmatwn poy filojenoyntai sta hlektronika MME. Den einai dynato na parakoloyqw thleorash se tetoio baqmo. Parakoloyqw ta deltia eidhsewn, se kapoio baqmo, alla den gnwrizw...

MIXAHL: Sas rwthsa...

REPPAS: Kai lypoymai para poly giati blepw na yioqeteitai mia ekdoxh pantote, h opoia einai se baros ths Kybernhshs h kapoioy kybernhtikoy paragonta.

MIXAHL: Oxi, den einai etsi.

REPPAS: Aytomatws h prwth ermhneia poy doqhke einai oti yphrje kapoia parembash apo ton ypoyrgo h kapoion allo.

MIXAHL: Sygnwmh, den einai etsi.

REPPAS: Oyte kan asxolhqhke h Kybernhsh h o omilwn me to qema ayto. To plhroforhqhka apo ton idio ton k. Rafahlidh. Otan zhthse thlefwnikh epikoinwnia mazi moy, antapokriqhka sto thlefwnhma toy kai toy ejeqesa pws exoyn ta pragmata.

MIXAHL: Egw to antiqeto rwthsa. Oti eseis den eixate parembei na "kopei". Gi' ayto sas eipa oti parermhneysate, endexomenws. Isws na mhn to eqesa kai egw swsta. Eseis afoy synebh to gegonos, endiaferqhkate gia thn tyxh h mh ths ekpomphs kai ti mellei genesqai;

REPPAS: Egw den exw kanena idiaitero endiaferon gia thn tyxh opoiasdhpote ekpomphs. To programma kaqe thleoptikoy staqmoy toy dhmosioy radiothleoptikoy forea einai qema poy apasxolei toys dieyqyntes toy. Qa prepei na meinoyn aperispastoi na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den einai dynato ta programmata na katartizontai kaq' ypagoreysh. Den akoloyqhsame tetoia politikh kai den protiqemeqa na thn akoloyqhsoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.


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