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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-09-28

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa sas enhmerwsw se genikes grammes gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kata tis epomenes hmeres.

* Shmera exei synergasia me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, enocei ths synanthshs twn hgetwn Elladas, Boylgarias kai Roymanias, stoys Delfoys, to Sabbatokyriako.

* Ayrio to prwi qa exei dyo synergasies: Me th diypoyrgikh Epitroph poy exei analabei apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs thn parakoloyqhsh ths proetoimasias gia th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. H synergasia ayth qa arxisei stis 10 p. m. Stis 12 to meshmeri qa synergastei me synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, me antikeimeno ta troxaia atyxhmata * Ayrio, stis 6.30 m. m., qa episkefqei sympolites mas, ejyphretoymenoys sto plaisio toy programmatos "bohqeia sto spiti", hlikiwmenoys, sthn perioxh ths Hlioypolhs. Sth synexeia qa episkefqei to 1o KAPH toy Dhmoy Hlioypolhs.

* Thn Pempth, qa exei synergasia, stis 10 p. m., me to oikonomiko epiteleio ths Kybernhshs kai argotera, stis 12.30, qa pareyreqei se ekdhlwsh gia th Synqhkh toy Amsterntam, me omilhth kai ton eyrwboyleyth kaqhghth k. Tsatso. H ekdhlwsh qa ginei sto amfiqeatro toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

* Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, stis 9.30, qa dexqei ton Proedro ths Italikhs Boylhs k. Biolante, o opoios episkeptetai thn Ellada. Argotera, stis 10 p. m., qa synedriasoyn apo koinoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me thn Politikh Grammateia toy PASOK. Qema syzhthshs, qa einai oi politikes ejelijeis. * To Sabbato kai thn Kyriakh organwnetai ayth h trimerhs synanthsh Elladas, Boylgarias kai Roymanias. Exete enhmerwqei sxetika, prokeimenoy na parakoloyqhsete ayth th Diaskech. Epikefalhs twn antiproswpeiwn ths Boylgarias kai ths Roymanias qa einai oi proedroi twn dyo xwrwn kyrioi Stogianof kai Kwnstantineskoy, antistoixa.

* O Prwqypoyrgos, meta tis ekloges sth Germania, epikoinwnhse thlefwnikws arga xqes to brady me to nikhth twn eklogwn k. Srenter. Epishs, apesteile to akoloyqo sygxarhthrio mhnyma: "Qermes eyxes gia th megalh eklogikh sas nikh, h opoia me xaropoihse idiaiterws. Elpizw oti twra mporoyme na jekinhsoyme apo koinoy mia nea epoxh koinwnikhs politikhs sthn Eyrwph, sto kentro ths opoias qa brisketai h drastikh katapolemhsh ths anergias kai ths opoias stoxos qa einai h koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Epishs, elpizw oti qa prepei mazi na epityxoyme na qesoyme ta qemelia, gia mia eyrwpaikh ejwterikh politikh".

Analoga thlegrafhmata, esteile ston k. Lafonten kai ston epikefalhs toy kommatos "Symmaxia '90" twn Prasinwn, k. Fiser. Qa exete sth diaqesh sas ta keimena twn sygxarhthriwn thlegrafhmatwn. To syntomotero dynaton qa doqei h dynatothta na synanthqoyn oi dyo politikoi. Yparxei anoiktos diaylos epikoinwnias, prokeimenoy na qesoyn tis baseis ths neas synergasias toys. Qa moy epitrecete, ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths Kybernhshs, na ekfrasw thn ektimhsh mas sto proswpo toy k. Xelmoyt Kol, o opoios shmadece thn istoria ths sygxronhs Germanias. Oi dyo kybernhseis mas eixan mia aristh synergasia. O k. Kol synebale sthn enopoihsh ths Germanias kai epishs enisxyse kaqoristika thn prospaqeia pros thn eyrwpaikh enopoihsh.

* Epanerxomenos sthn omilia toy k. Karamanlh xqes, qelw na kanw ena poly syntomo sxolio kai na pw oti h "wra Karamanlh" parhlqe prin kan elqei, giati o k. Karamanlhs den ajiopoihse thn eykairia poy toy doqhke na plhroforhsei ton ellhniko lao gia to programma toy kommatos toy. Ypainixqhke pws h Nea Dhmokratia diaqetei politikh gia ta diafora qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai to lao mas. Den ekane omws tipota, wste na milhsei sygkekrimena kai ypeyqyna. Exei epilejei na genikologei kai na synqhmatologei. Ayth h paraqesh epiqymiwn kai h syrrafh ybristikwn xarakthrismwn, pisteyoyme oti den synista politikh. O k. Karamanlhs paramenei politikos twn logwn, aney periexomenoy kai oysias.

* Qa exete ypoch sas to programma, gia osoys endiaferontai, ths trimeroys synanthshs Koryfhs poy qa ginei stoys Delfoys to Sabbatokyriako. Jekina to Sabbato, to prwi stis 11, me thn afijh twn hgetwn kai oloklhrwnetai me synenteyjh Typoy, thn Kyriakh to meshmeri, (13.00 -13.30). Amesws meta, akoloyqei geyma twn hgetwn. Etsi qa oloklhrwqei ayth h synergasia. Gnwrizw oti exoyn epilejei para polloi synadelfoi sas, poy exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon na einai parontes, na metaboyn ekei me dika toys mesa. Exete labei apo thn armodia dieyqynsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy ola ta katatopistika stoixeia gia ta jenodoxeia k. lp. Gia opoia allh bohqeia eimaste sth diaqesh sas. Exei organwqei ekei Kentro Typoy. Pisteyw oti ola qa leitoyrghsoyn etsi, wste na dieykolynqeite sto ergo sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti sas ekane na epanalabete th xqesinobradinh sas dhlwsh gia ton k Karamanlh; Ayta ta idia eipate kai xqes to brady.

REPPAS: Esas ti sas kanei na qetete mia tetoia erwthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Akoysa th dhlwsh kai xqes kai shmera. Gi` ayto rwtw...

REPPAS: Mono poy to akoysate, alla den to grafete kaqoloy. Kai ayto moy kanei entypwsh. Ara, egw prepei na rwthsw esas, oxi eseis emena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den grafthke, gi` ayto to epanalambanete;

REPPAS: Ayto to symperasma to bgazete eseis. Alla, qa moy epitrecete ki egw na exw, di` aytoy toy zwntanoy logoy, mia paroysia sto pws ejelissetai kai anadeiknyetai h politikh epikairothta. FILHS: Poia h skopimothta na proanaggellei o Prwqypoyrgos thn episkech toy se diafora KAPH; Mexri twra ekane efodoys se nosokomeia kai sto IKA. Twra blepoyme oti anakoinwnei programma.

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, eiste adikos, ektos an dexqw oti den enqymeiste kala. Gnwrizete oti para polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos exei me programma episkefqei yphresies h foreis. Sas qymizw oti prosfata episkefqhke, me aformh thn enarjh leitoyrgias toy, to Synhgoro toy Polith. Ligo kairo prin, episkefqhke monades stis opoies parexetai bohqeia stoys neoys poy prospaqoyn na apejarthqoyn apo ta narkwtika. Se alles periptwseis o Prwqypoyrgos exei episkefqei monades h yphresies xwris prohgoymenh anakoinwsh. Qa afhsete ayto to periqwrio ston Prwqypoyrgo na epilegei o idios pote qa episkeptetai meta apo synennohsh me toys armodioys foreis, diafores monades kai yphresies kai pote ayto qa ginetai xwris prohgoymenh enhmerwsh.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei programmatisei na episkefqei to nosokomeio twn fylakwn toy Korydalloy;

REPPAS: Den einai sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayto toylaxiston poy twra exei katartistei, mia tetoia episkech.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh exei labei epishmws gnwsh twn apotelesmatwn gia th nekrotomh poy ekanan oi tesseris iatrodikastes;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Kybernhsh antedrase apo thn prwth stigmh. Edwse entolh o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai gnwsth h eyaisqhsia toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai h gnwsh toy gia ta qemata ayta. Gnwrizete oti parhggeile th dienergeia iatrodikastikhs ejetashs apo eidikoys kai malista, klhqhke kai h oikogeneia na proteinei to diko ths texniko symboylo gia na parei meros se ayth th diadikasia. Parallhla paraggelqhke na proxwrhsei h dikastikh ereyna gia na fwtistoyn oles oi ptyxes poy aforoyn ayto to qema. Kai bebaiws kai o epopths twn fylakwn exei entolh na diatypwsei th dikh toy ekqesh gia ta gegonota. Oi ereynes briskontai se ejelijh. Exoyn ginei oi prwtes anakoinwseis apo toys iatrodikastes. Epeidh omws, gia na oloklhrwqei h ereyna apo toys iatrodikastes, prepei akomh na ginei kai tojikologikh ejetash, qa prepei emeis ayth thn wra na eimaste siwphloi kai na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma mas, otan qa exoyme thn telikh kai oloklhrwmenh ekqesh twn eidikwn episthmonwn. Parallhla, se liges hmeres, pisteyoyme oti qa oloklhrwqei kai h dikastikh ereyna, prokeimenoy na fwtistoyn ta gegonota, ta opoia ektylixqhkan apo thn wra poy jekinhse h prwth astynomikh epixeirhsh mexri ton episymbanta qanato toy Roymanoy.

KIAOS: Den einai Roymanos.

REPPAS: Toy Ellhno-Roymanoy h toy Ellhna. To eipa egw prwtos, ke Kiao kai symfwnw mazi sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Miloyn polloi mazi).

KIAOS: Etsi einai, re paidia, me sygxwreite, epeidh einai Roymanos na ton skotwsoyme dhladh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, parakalw. Xrhsimopoihsate mia lejh h opoia parakalw na mhn katagrafei, giati den qelw na bgazete symperasmata.

KIAOS: Den to eipa se esas.

REPPAS: To eipate, omws.

KIAOS: Me sygxwreite, apo ena swro kosmo epikratei h nootropia, "einai Albanos, ton skotwnoyme" h "einai Roymanos, ton skotwnoyme", mono an einai Ellhnas den ton skotwnoyme. Na grafei, parakalw, den exw na krycw tipota.

REPPAS: Wraia. Ayto den shmainei omws, oti epeidh kapoios...

KIAOS: Den apeyqynqhn se esas.

REPPAS: Ayto den shmainei omws, oti epeidh kapoios qewreitai oti den einai Ellhnas, prepei na exei kalyterh metaxeirish apo toys Ellhnes. Oloi exoyn isotimh antimetwpish...

KIAOS: Makari.

REPPAS:... kai metaxeirish sto plaisio enos kratoys poy einai dikaiokratoymeno. Epishs, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs exei dwsei entolh-paraggelia ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Meta apo ayto o antieisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy k. Zaboleas dienergei elegxo gia tis eyqynes poy piqanon exei -an exei- o Eisaggeleas k. Sakkas, o opoios htan parwn kata thn epixeirhsh poy egine sthn odo Axarnwn. Ayto deixnei oti apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs eginan oles oi aparaithtes energeies. Qa perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei h ereyna se oloys toys tomeis. Qeloyme na lamcei h alhqeia, na fwtistoyn ta gegonota, wste na gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos pws akribws elabe xwra ayto to epeisodio, se oles tis faseis toy. Mexri tote, kalo einai na eimaste oloi sygkrathmenoi kai cyxraimoi. Idiaiterws ta M. M. E. qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oti peran ths enhmerwshs poy prosferoyn diapaidagwgoyn kai toys polites me ta programmata toys. Kai den prepei na mas diafeygei kati: Oti filojenoymenoi kai proskeklhmenoi twn programmatwn twn hlektronikwn Meswn Enhmerwshs, den einai mono osoi filojenoyntai sta stoyntio toys h osoi miloyn me toys leitoyrgoys aytwn twn M. M. E.. Proskeklhmenoi kai filojenoymenoi einai oloi oi polites poy parakoloyqoyn ta programmata toys. Kai aytoi prepei na yphretoyntai. Oi polites epiqymoyn na yparxei antikeimenikothta kai na lampei h alhqeia. Kai oloi prepei s' ayth thn kateyqynsh na kinoymaste. Etsi, k. Filh, kleinw thn apanthsh moy sthn erwthsh sas, parakalw an qelete na synexisete kai na epanelqete, eimai sth diaqesh sas.

FILHS: Kati allo: Den protiqemeqa na syzhthsoyme edw, sthn politikh enhmerwsh, to keimeno ths anaforas toy paristamenoy Eisaggelews, toy k. Sakka sta aimathra gegonota. Apo thn anafora ayth, enos armodioy, kat' ejoxhn armodioy proswpoy, tiqentai -estw emmesws, ean alhqeyoyn ta osa grafei o k. Sakkas- qemata politikhs eyqynhs gia thn Kybernhsh. O k. Sakkas leei oti toy eipe o tote Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias k. Basilopoylos, oti h apofash gia na ginei to "ntoy" h h epixeirhsh ths Astynomias, htan en gnwsei -kai toy dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh oti eixe egkriqei- apo ton k. Papadogiannakh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Pragma to opoio dieceyse o idios o Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, o k. Basilopoylos. Kai eprepe na to gnwrizete ayto.

FILHS: Ti ennoeite "dieceyse";

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio isxyristhke o k. Sakkas, to opoio den piqanologeitai allwste apo poyqena. Gi' ayto akribws eipa na eimaste oloi sygkrathmenoi kai cyxraimoi. Giati exoyn dhmioyrghqei problhmata kai paranohseis oi opoies enteinoyn th sygxysh, pragma to opoio, ayth thn wra, kaqe allo para mporei na bohqhsei tis ereynes poy einai se ejelijh. Egw eipa apo thn prwth mera poy syzhthsame ayto to qema, oti h politikh hgesia den htan enhmerwmenh gia thn epixeirhsh ths Astynomias sto prwto stadio, enhmerwqhke sto deytero skelos. Xrhsimopoihsa ayth th frash kai zhthsa na moy epitrapei na th xrhsimopoihsw. Kapoios synadelfos sas, milwntas me ton Arxhgo ths Astynomias, toy eqese to erwthma, "ma pws lete oti eixate enhmerwsei sth deyterh fash thn Kybernhsh, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos eipe oti den eixe enhmerwqei h politikh hgesia". O tote Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias k. Basilopoylos, kalh th pisth dexthke pws etsi einai. Kai leei, "ma einai dynaton; Sth deyterh fash eixame enhmerwsei". Kai o dhmosiografos synexizei: "Ma, o k. Reppas eipe oti den eixan enhmerwqei kaqoloy". Loipon, epeidh akribws, xreiazetai na eimaste para poly prosektikoi s' ayto poy leme, alla kai sthn plhroforhsh poy dinoyme, me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia gnwrizoyme, parakalw na eimaste para poly sygkrathmenoi. Antilambaneste pws to qema ayto poy mas apasxolei -metajy twn allwn- afora anqrwpines zwes. Xaqhke mia anqrwpinh zwh. Mia nea kopela dinei maxh zwhs. Ena allo stelexos ths Astynomias exei akrwthriastei. Oydeis asxolhqhke me aytoys kai tis oikogeneies toys. Exoyme qymata. Exoyme anqrwpines tragwdies. Parakalw loipon, ypo to prisma ths eyqynhs, na doyme th dikh mas symmetoxh s' aytes tis syzhthseis poy ginontai kai sthn enhmerwsh poy parexoyme, wste na symbaloyme sto telos, na lamcei h alhqeia, na apodoqoyn oi eyqynes ekei opoy yparxoyn kai na ikanopoihqei kai to peri dikaioy aisqhma ths koinhs gnwmhs.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, syggnwmh, kanate ekklhseis synexws gia thn eyqynh th dikh mas. Sas diafeygei piqanon, oti yparxoyn kai alles eyqynes oi opoies diereynwntai apo th dikaiosynh kai aforoyn anwtata proswpa...

REPPAS: Gi' ayto eipa, loipon, ke Filh, prin proxwrhsoyme se ola ayta me eykolo kai epipolaio tropo, na eimaste sygkrathmenoi kai cyxraimoi -lejeis tis opoies xrhsimopoiw gia trith h tetarth fora- perimenontas na oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes. Parakalw na symfwnhsete s' ayto to plaisio.

FILHS: Ayto to opoio epishmainoyme ke Ypoyrge, einai h ekqesh poy einai epishmo eggrafo toy paristamenoy Antieisaggelea Prwtodikwn. O k. Sakkas den einai enas paratyxwn odhgos toy Arxhgoy ths Astynomias poy eixe to tragiko symban. Einai o entetalmenos apo thn Politeia, o opoios kataggellei oti h efodos egine prin dwsei thn entolh aytos. Ayto einai ena poly sobaro stoixeio ke Ypoyrge. To gnwrizete;

REPPAS: Einai ena para poly sobaro stoixeio poy prepei na ektimhqei. Asfalws, gnwrizw to eggrafo toy k. Sakka. Eseis den gnwrizete omws oti peran ths ekqeshs toy k. Sakka, yparxoyn kai alles martyries, tis opoies agnoeite, tis parakamptete giati qelete na dhmioyrghsete, profanws, mia entypwsh. Kai qewreite oti ayto to opoio eipe o k. Sakkas, prepei na to dextoyme oloi san na einai h apolyth alhqeia. Egw lew oti prepei kai ayto to opoio eipe o k. Sakkas na synektimhqei sto plaisio ths ereynas, me th martyria thn opoia prosferoyn oloi oi alloi poy exoyn amesh h emmesh sxesh, prokeimenoy na ejaxqei to teliko symperasma. Kai ayto prepei na dexqeite kai eseis.

KIAOS: Poioi alloi exoyn klhqei ws martyres sthn ereyna poy lete; Dioti exoyme enan, ton Sakka me thn anafora toy. Poioi alloi einai;

REPPAS: S' ayth thn ereyna ejetazontai oles oi parametroi poy exoyn sxesh me to epeisodio. Apo thn prwth stigmh poy jekinhse h epixeirhsh, mexri ton proxqesino qanato toy Matei stis fylakes, poy shmainei oti ejetazontai sto plaisio ayths ths ereynas ta stelexh ths Astynomias. Ejetazontai polites, qa ejetastoyn giatroi...

KIAOS: Poios kanei thn ereyna;

REPPAS:... qa ejetastoyn oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi exoyn gnwsh -megalyterh h mikroterh- twn symbantwn, prokeimenoy na exei mia plhrh eikona gia ta symbanta ayta h Ellhnikh Dikaiosynh kai h Ellhnikh Politeia, telikws.

KIAOS: Apo poion dienergeitai h ereyna;

REPPAS: Dienergeitai ypo thn epopteia toy Proistamenoy ths Eisaggelias Peiraiws k. Flwratoy, apo ton k. Mantakiozidh.

KIAOS: Sthn anafora toy o k. Sakkas, leei kati apantwntas se sas, oysiastika, poy mas eixate pei oti o neos Arxhgos ths Astynomias htan ekei kai den htan oysiastikh h symmetoxh toy, para htan aplws... en pash periptwsei den qymamai thn ekfrash sas, alla den htan oysiastikos o rolos, estw gi' ayth th symmetoxh toy. Leei oti oi synennohseis poy ekane htan mazi toy me ton A' Yparxhgo me to kinhto toy thlefwno, aytos toy elege, aytos epikoinwnoyse me toys epikefalhs, me to Ypoyrgeio kai ola ayta. Qewreite oti einai typikh, oyte den einai oysiastikh h symmetoxh toy k. Gewrgakopoyloy;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio omws kai egw kai eseis prepei na kanoyme ayth thn wra, einai na mh dextoyme ws qesfato thn kataqesh h thn ermhneia h thn ekdoxh, thn opoia prosferei kapoios ek twn pollwn paragontwn poy exoyn sxesh me ta epeisodia ayta. Kai parakalw na mhn to kanete kai eseis, na to apofygete ayth thn wra.

KIAOS: Mporeite na mas peite poios eixe thn eyqynh ths krathsews sto nosokomeio toy makarith toy Sorin Matei; Onoma sygkekrimeno.

REPPAS: S' ola ta nosokomeia kratoymenos htan.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, poios htan o ypeyqynos, sygkekrimena;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to onoma.

KIAOS: O Kiaos, o Roympanhs; Poios;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to onoma toy ypeyqynoy.

KIAOS: Mporeite na to maqete, parakalw;

REPPAS: Einai qema ereynas kai erwthsewn gia na exete ayth thn plhroforhsh.

KIAOS: To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs;

REPPAS: Parakalw. Kratoymenos htan o Matei.

KIAOS: An mporeite na mas anakoinwsete to onoma. Deyteron, poios edwse thn entolh na alysodeqei akinhtopoihmenos sto krebati, kai sto ena nosokomeio kai sto allo; An mporeite na mas dwsete onomata.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ta onomata ekeinwn oi opoioi eixan thn amesh eyqynh ths epithrhshs h poioi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi edwsan entolh h poios einai aytos o opoios perase tis xeiropedes h poios einai aytos o opoios ton shkwse kai ton ebale sto foreio h poios einai aytos o opoios esprwje to foreio h poios einai aytos o opoios ton metefere apo to ena nosokomeio sto allo. Den ta gnwrizw ayta.

KIAOS: Na ta maqete. Einai sobara ayta.

REPPAS: Einai poly sobara qemata ayta kai parakalw akribws epeidh einai poly sobara na ta antimetwpizoyme oxi ypo to prisma mias diaqeshs dhmioyrgias entypwsewn, alla ypo to prisma ths prospaqeias poy kanei h Politeia me ta entetalmena organa na lamcei h alhqeia. Ayth einai h dikh mas qesh.

KIAOS: Ayto einai oi anakoinwseis poy kanete apo pleyras Kybernhsews. Den me endiaferoyn ayth th stigmh.

REPPAS: Kalws. Eseis na kanete anakoinwseis apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs. Me sygxwreite para poly.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, sas parakalw...

REPPAS: Sas edwsa apanthsh kai menw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa.

KIAOS: Sas lew sygkekrimena, eimai edw gia na erwtw kai na pairnw apanthseis, tipota perissotero.

REPPAS: Malista. Ma, den kanete erwthseis, kanete sxolia kai kala kanete, einai dikaiwma sas. Ayto epitrepetai...

KIAOS: Kanete laqos.

REPPAS:... alla den qa ypagoreysete tis apanthseis poy qelw na dwsw egw.

KIAOS: Moy epitrepete; Oi erwthseis einai safestates: Prwton, poios htan o epikefalhs; Deyteron, poios edwse thn entolh na ton desoyn etsi opws ton edesan; Triton, poios edwse entolh na toy xorhghsoyn ayta ta katastaltika farmaka; Tetarton, poios edwse entolh, na einai s' ayth thn katastash, opws htan, epi treis hmeres; Kai epishs, poios htan epikefalhs ths metagwghs apo to ena nosokomeio sto allo nosokomeio;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata qa epishmanqoyn kai qa antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio ths ereynas poy dienergeitai. Kai ola ayta qa ta gnwrizoyme me akraia leptomereia. Opws epishs qa einai dynaton, afoy oloklhrwqei h ereyna, na gnwrizoyme poios einai o baqmos eyqynhs poy exei kaqenas ej olwn ekeinwn poy symmeteixan s' ayth th diadikasia.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws eyqynhs, epeidh einai orismena antikeimenika peristatika, sas zhthsa monaxa tessera onomata. Ayta...

REPPAS: Qa anakoinwqoyn otan oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai diapistwqei poies eyqynes exei kaqenas analogws twn armodiothtwn kai twn kaqhkontwn poy toy eixan anateqei.

KIAOS: Epeidh qelete kai epeidh einai safestath h erwthsh, den exei kamia sxesh me ereyna, einai sygkekrimena proswpa, opws o k. Reppas einai Ypoyrgos Typoy kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, opws o k. Roympanhs einai politikos syntakths ekei poy doyleyei, sas erwtw sygkekrimena gia ta onomata, gia teleytaia fora, anejarthtws ereynhs. Enas, dyo, treis, tesseris htan ypeyqynoi, na mas dwsete ta onomata, tipota allo.

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, prwton, an exei toso endiaferon gia sas ayto, eprepe na eixate qesei edw kai hmeres thn erwthsh sas sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Deyteron, an pragmatika ayto to erwthma poy qetete den exei sxesh me thn ikanopoihsh mias diaqeshs periergeias, alla me mia diaqesh anazhthshs eyqynwn se sygkekrimenoys paragontes, parakalw na anamenete ki eseis na oloklhrwqei h ereyna gia na gnwrizoyme poios eixe analabei ti na kanei, wste sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn toy na elegxqei an antapokriqhke s' ayto h oxi kai na toy apodoqoyn -an yparxoyn- kai eyqynes. An apo kei kai pera, qelete apla, sto plaisio toy reportaz na gnwrizete poioi eixan analabei sygkekrimena kaqhkonta, mporoysate na to eixate plhroforhqei, edw kai arketes wres apo tis armodies yphresies. Alla nomizw -to eipa allwste sthn arxh poy milhsa gia oles tis ptyxes twn epeisodiwn- oti h ereyna h opoia ginetai qa deijei poioi exoyn th megalyterh h th mikroterh symmetoxh kai me ti baqmo eyqynhs o kaqenas.

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na teleiwsw kai na mhn sas janaenoxlw...

REPPAS: Den me enoxleite, parakalw. Kaqoloy den enoxloymai. Sas akoyw.

KIAOS: Eiste o kat' ejoxhn ypeyqynos apo pleyras Kybernhsews gia thn enhmerwsh, apo oloys toys kybernhtikoys paragontes, o pleon epishmos. Einai safestata ta erwthmata, epishma erwthmata me thn ennoia ths epishmoy katastasews poy briskomaste edw kai kanoyme th doyleia mas kai eseis kai emeis kai einai erwthseis. To ti qa tis kanw egw, an einai reportaz, an einai analysh, an einai otidhpote, einai dikh moy doyleia. Eseis, apo th stigmh poy dexeste tis erwthseis, dinete h oxi tis apanthseis. Apo kei kai pera, loipon, mh moy kanete ypodeijeis an qa kanw to a' h to b' h to g' dioti einai doyleia dikh moy kai poia wra qa ta zhthsw egw apo ton pleon armodio, apo ton pleon ypeyqyno. Kai epipleon, an nomizete eseis, epeidh den diakwmwdw, isa-isa einai sobarotath h katastash, parakalw na prosqesete -kai to lew me olh th sobarothta- kai to onoma aytoy poy esprwxne to karotsi toy makarith toy Sorin Matei. Tipota perissotero.

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws eimai, opws eipate, o kat' ejoxhn armodios na enhmerwnw, exw synaisqhsh aytoy toy xreoys moy kai gi' ayto me cyxraimo kai egkyro tropo prospaqw na diafwtisw thn koinh gnwmh, mesw ymwn, anaferomenos se stoixeia ta opoia einai tekmhriwmena kai exoyme sth diaqesh mas. Kai bebaiws, epeidh exw ayto to rolo, den prokeitai na katafygw sthn eykolh lysh poy katafeygoyn para polloi -kyriws dhmosiografoi- aytes tis hmeres, na kanw ypoqeseis kai analyseis atekmhriwtes, na epilegw egw ti einai ayto to opoio qa proballw me tropo o opoios kaqe allo para isomereia h polymereia apodeiknyei sthn prospaqeia gia na prosferw enhmerwsh. En pash periptwsei, egw prepei na symballw sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Politeia na lamcei h alhqeia kai oxi na ekmetalleytw ena symban gia na prosporisw ofelh se mena kai toys ergodotes moy. Egw den qa epidiwjw ena tetoio rolo.

KIAOS: Se poion apeyqyneste;

REPPAS: Milw genika. Giati den me afhnete na oloklhrwsw k. Kiao; Egw sas diekoca;

KIAOS: Ma ti moy lete twra, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto akribws qa moy epitrecete na milhsw mexri toy shmeioy ekeinoy poy mporw na eimai safhs kai sygkekrimenos kai na epitrecw ston eayto moy na apexei apo kaqe sxolio gia mia ereyna h gia toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn sxesh me ena symban, thn wra poy entetalmena organa kai foreis exoyn analabei to ergo ayto, to opoio prepei na sebastoyme. Kai qa to sebastoyme kai qa bohqhsoyme to ergo ayto, an anti na fortizoyme thn atmosfaira, an anti parapleyrws me ekeinoys prospaqoyme ki emeis na kanoyme th dikh mas ereyna, toylaxiston me ayth th diadikasia, parameinoyme siwphloi, cyxraimoi, kanontas th doyleia mas etsi wste na toys bohqoyme kai oxi na toys dyskoleyoyme. Ayth einai mia genikh topoqethsh.

FILHS: Ta ths deontologias ta parabiasate me ton SKAt. Den dexomaste maqhmata deontologias, k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Qa ta dexqeite, k. Filh. Eiste ypoxrewmenos na ta dexqeite gia ena logo...

FILHS: Oxi, den eimai ypoxrewmenos.

REPPAS: Qa sas pw giati eiste ypoxrewmenos kai parakalw...

FILHS: Parabiasate th deontologia eis baros anypoptoy polith me to na katasthsete to SKAt apo thleoptiko staqmo se meso astynomikhs epiqeshs.

REPPAS: Qa labete apanthsh. Kai eiste ypoxrewmenos na dexqeite thn apanthsh. Kai sas prokalw ki eseis sthn efhmerida sas kai oloi sta Mesa poy ergazeste ayto to dialogo na ton probalete. Giati, shmera, o k. Filhs -kai oxi monon- paroysiazetai ypereyaisqhtos gia th zwh toy Roymanoy h Ellhna h Ellhnoroymanoy, thn wra poy mas kathgorei gia th synexish ths ekpomphs ths epikoinwnias toy staqmoy me to Roymano, otan gnwrizei oti o Roymanos eixe apeilhsei pws "an diakopei h ekpomph qa tinajei th zwh twn politwn poy eixe omhroys ston aera". Tetoia eyaisqhsia gia th zwh toy Ellhnoroymanoy, xwris na yparxei analogh eyaisqhsia, sto onoma kapoias deontologias, gia th zwh tessarwn h triwn sympolitwn mas; Den einai ayto to isozygio. Adikeitai h alhqeia. Ki etsi apokalyptetai o tropos me ton opoio xeirizetai to qema. Fainetai oti den sas endiaferei na yperaspizeste th zwh kai to agaqo, alla...

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Miloyn polloi mazi).

REPPAS:... alla na antipoliteyqeite mia prospaqeia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi, oxi.

REPPAS: Kanete ena laqos. Jerete poio einai to laqos; Oti sas akoyw...

FILHS: Mhn to dialyete...

REPPAS: Den to dialyw egw, k. Filh. Eseis phrate to logo, xwris na ton zhthsete kai anaptyjate mia qewria peri deontologias thn wra poy gnwrizete oti to qema ayto exei kleisei. Kai den qelw na anaferqw se alles leptomereies.

FILHS: Pws exei kleisei; H ESHEA to exei afhsei anoikto. Eseis to kleisate. O Prwqypoyrgos ki aytos kathggeile...

REPPAS: Giati pagideyete synexeia ton eayto sas;

FILHS: Den pagideyw kanenan.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete thn pragmatikothta, k. Filh. Thn agnoeite. Agnoeite oti exw aposteilei epistolh sto ESR kai kalw...

FILHS: Ara, den ekleise loipon.

REPPAS: Ekleise ws pros th syzhthsh poy kanoyme edw. Ayto den shmainei oti to ESR den qa asxolhqei. Kai esteila amesws epistolh.

FILHS: To jeroyme ayto.

REPPAS: Asfalws, den to jerete. Gia na lete, molis prin, oti egw kleinw to qema, asfalws agnoeite ayth thn kinhsh. Lhgei to qema sto plaisio ths syzhthshs edw. To anoijate eseis anaferomenos sth deontologia kai moy dwsate th dynatothta na kanw ayth thn epishmansh kai na parathrhsw mia megalh ypereyaisqhsia apo th mia pleyra kai mia "anaisqhsia" -as moy epitrapei h lejh, estw kai se eisagwgika- apo thn allh pleyra.

KIAOS: Poios thn exei ayth thn "anaisqhsia";

REPPAS: Milw genika.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Miloyn polloi mazi).

REPPAS: Elhje to qema. Ekleise ayth h parenqesh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Miloyn polloi mazi).

REPPAS: Qelete na apoxwrhsete h qelete na syzhthsoyme, kyrioi. Ti qelete;

KIAOS: Na syzhthsoyme...

REPPAS: Na qesete erwthseis gia na parete apanthseis.

KIAOS: O anaisqhtos poios einai;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Allh erwthsh.

KOYtN: Olo to Sabbatokyriako prospaqoysa na apanthsw se mia erwthsh gia olh thn ypoqesh toy Sabbatoy. Epeidh, ej oswn gnwrizw, den einai logiko na brisketai enas kratoymenos synexeia se katastolh gia treis hmeres narkwmenos gia ton enan h ton allo logo, den jeroyme akribws, prospaqoysa na brw poio einai to armodio Ypoyrgeio poy qa edine thn egkrish na ginei mia tetoia katastolh. Den mporw na katalabw, poio einai to armodio Ypoyrgeio, to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs poy edwse thn entolh. Den qa ejetasw se ti katastash briskotan. Sigoyra den briskotan se mia katastash poy kindyneyei h zwh toy apo ta traymata toy. Briskotan treis hmeres ypo thn ephreia narkwtikwn oysiwn kai den caxnw gia poio logo peqane, alla qelw na maqw poio Ypoyrgeio exei thn eyqynh edw.

REPPAS: H ypagwgh enos asqenoys se katastash katastolhs einai epilogh aytwn poy noshleyoyn ton asqenh. Den dinoyn ta Ypoyrgeia iatrikes gnwmateyseis kai qerapeytikes agwges. O Ypoyrgos Ygeias einai mhxanikos, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs einai nomikos, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs einai dhmosiografos, o omilwn einai odontiatros, kamia sxesh. Den nomizw oti yparxei prohgoymeno kai den qa yparxei kai epomeno, opoy h hgesia twn Ypoyrgeiwn dinei iatrikes odhgies. Mhn perimenete, loipon, opoiadhpote sxesh twn hgesiwn twn Ypoyrgeiwn me to pws qa antimetwpistei enas asqenhs poy exei, epiprosqetws, thn idiothta toy kratoymenoy. Ayta einai qemata twn iatrikwn yphresiwn. Kai me ayth thn ennoia kai ayta ta qemata, epeidh pragmatika polla "giati" prokyptoyn, qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ths ereynas. Kai otan oloklhrwqei h ereyna, tote qa exoyme, pisteyw, apanthseis kai s` aytes tis ptyxes.

KOYtN: Epeidh epikalesqhkate thn idiothta sas toy odontiatroy, eseis qa narkwnate kapoion gia treis hmeres;

REPPAS: An qelete na apanthsw s` ayth thn erwthsh qa moy epitrecete na apofygw na to kanw twra kai dhmosiws. Giati edw den eimai ws odontiatros, edw eimai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Kai oi kybernhtikoi ekproswpoi den narkwnoyn. Isa-isa apo oti blepw ejaptoyn. Kai an krinw apo to klima kai tis antidraseis twn synadelfwn sas, kaqe allo para se katastolh mporei na pei kaneis oti egw sas exw eisagagei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporeite, lete, na apanthsete gia toys astynomikoys h toys dikastikoys. Gia thn Kybernhsh, omws, mporeite na apanthsete. Qelw na moy peite poio kybernhtiko stelexos edwse thn entolh ths metaforas apo to nosokomeia ston Korydallo;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta me leptomereies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poio kybernhtiko stelexos, gnwrizete;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta ereyna o dikasths o opoios exei analabei ayto to ergo. An klhqw na dwsw kataqesh qa pw o, ti gnwrizw. Emmesws, bebaiws kai apo tritoys exw tis plhrofories. Apo ekei kai pera, aytoi oi opoioi exoyn symmetoxh, qa poyn tis dikes toys apoceis. Qa diereynhqoyn ta panta kai ejaxqei ena symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O dikasths ereyna kai gia kybernhtika stelexh;

REPPAS: O dikasths ereyna ta panta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis gnwrizete poio kybernhtiko proswpo edwse entolh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na einai kybernhtiko proswpo. Asfalws, an prokycei apo thn ereyna oti kapoio kybernhtiko proswpo edwse kai ayth thn entolh, tote qa exoyme ena dedomeno, to opoio mporoyme na xrhsimopoihsoyme ws bash gia syzhthsh. Alla, prin prokycei ena tetoio dedomeno, pws eseis qelete na syzhthsoyme me bash kati poy den yparxei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den gnwrizete;

REPPAS: Polla den gnwrizw egw. Ayto den shmainei tipota. Giati an gnwriza egw ta panta h an gnwrize ta panta kapoios kai dexomaste oti etsi exoyn ta pragmata, opws ekeinos ta anaferei, tote den qa eprepe na kaname ereyna. H ereyna gi` ayto ginetai.

MIXAHL: Mas lete apo thn arxh toy briefing, se epaneilhmmenes erwthseis, oti ola ayta qa ta dialeykanei h ereyna. Qa hqela na jerw, ean eseis apodexeste th dynatothta parallhlhs ereynas apo dhmosiografoys endexomenws h akoma-akoma ereyna apo thn idia thn oikogeneia toy Matei.

REPPAS: Ayto epitrepetai apo to Syntagma, apo toys nomoys. Einai dhmokratiko dikaiwma twn politwn, poso mallon twn dhmosiografwn poy epidiwkoyn na prosferoyn enhmerwsh. Einai peritto kai na to syzhtoyme.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, einai etsi kai opws swsta parathreite mas thn parexei ayth th dynatothta to Syntagma, giati otan rwthqhkate poioi sygkekrimena edwsan tis entoles, eipate oti ola ayta qa diereynhqoyn apo thn ereyna kai den eipate, p. x. oti qa mporeite na exete tis plhrofories poy zhthsate...

REPPAS: Mporeite na tis exete. Kai an eixate ekdhlwsei endiaferon, isws eixate aytes tis plhrofories. Egw den tis gnwrizw kai nomizw oti den einai ergo moy. Kai den einai sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy kanoyme edw. Na sas anaferw sygkekrimena onomata, analogws ths katanomhs kaqhkontwn h armodiothtwn, sto plaisio olwn aytwn twn epeisodiwn. Kaqenas, an den exei kanei swsta th doyleia toy, qa breqei. Twra, poios einai aytos o opoios exei analabei ena sygkekrimeno rolo, einai kati poy den to gnwrizw. Oi roloi htan polloi, ta proswpa poy elaban meros s` ayth thn epixeirhsh, apo thn arxh mexri ton episymbanta qanato, einai polla. H ereyna ayto to stoxo exei. Alliws, qa mpainame se enan ateleiwto "gaitanaki". Poios einai aytos o opoios ekane to A' poios ekane to B', poios ekane to G'. An ekane kala to A', an ekane kala to B'. Eseis, bebaiws, kanete tis ektimhseis kai ta sxolia sas, me tropo antikeimeniko kai tetoio, o opoios deixnei oti fwtizete -me tis phges, tis gnwseis kai tis plhrofories poy exete- to qema. Apo thn allh, omws, yparxoyn kai organa ths Politeias, ta opoia epilambanontai toy qematos aytoy.

MIXAHL: Einai safes ayto poy lete, alla einai kai diko mas safes dikaiwma, an yparxoyn kapoia qemata na zhtame plhrofories. Oyte sxolia zhtame, oyte sas zhtame kati poy na yperbainei tis armodiothtes sas. Sas zhtame, ws ypeyqyno Enhmerwshs na mas dwsete kapoia stoixeia. An den mporeite na mas ta dwsete, den eiste ypoxrewmenos na ta dwsete.

REPPAS: Qa ajize pragmatika, epeidh fernete olo sto idio shmeio th syzhthsh, na diabasoyme pali mazi, ayrio, to shmerino briefing. Tote qa doyme poses htan ekeines oi erwthseis me tis opoies epediwkan oi erwtwntes kapoia stoixeia kai poses xrhsimopoihqhkan prosxhmatika, mesw qesewn kai sxoliwn ta opoia synodeyan tis erwthseis, enw htan bebaio oti den prokyptei kanena neo stoixeio. Sas exw pei, polles fores, s` ayto to xwro oti eseis eiste palaioteroi apo emena kai qa eiste kai meta apo emena. Eseis exete toys kanones sas. Epitrecte omws kai se mena na kanw th doyleia moy me ton tropo poy pisteyw oti einai orqos, gia na bohqhsw thn patrida moy, na bohqhsw ton ellhniko lao na gnwrizei pws exoyn ta pragmata kai na mhn epitrecw yperboles h akrothtes, oi opoies stis meres mas einai se ypereparkeia. Gi` ayto kalo einai na apofeygontai.

SOYRMELH: Gia na bohqhsw ligo kai sthn ektonwsh toy klimatos, qa hqela na rwthsw gia to qema poy afora tis sxeseis Elladas-Germanias me thn allagh ths kybernhshs ekei. Ta eipate prin, alla qa hqela na sas rwthsw tria pragmata. Prwton, eipate prohgoymenws oti oi dyo politikoi qa frontisoyn na synanthqoyn. Yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno apo ayto; Deyteron, pws blepete oti qa allajei h an qa allajei h ti qa allajei sthn politikh ths Germanias pros thn Ellada. Kai triton, an h Ellada prokeitai na qesei to qema twn polemikwn apozhmiwsewn.

REPPAS: S` ola ta qemata poy qesate, kaqe apanthsh, ayth thn wra, einai prowrh. Ektimhseis mporoyme na kanoyme kai na bgaloyme ena prwto symperasma me bash afenos, tis kales sxeseis synergasias poy anaptyxqhkan metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths kybernhshs toy k. Kol -milhsa allwste kai prin gi` ayto- kai afeteroy mporoyme na bgaloyme ena akomh symperasma me bash to dedomeno ths symporeyshs h ths sygklishs twn apocewn kai twn programmatikwn qesewn, metajy twn kybernhsewn twn dyo xwrwn. Allwste, opws anaferei sto sygxarhthrio thlegrafhma toy o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, ta qemata ths koinwnikhs politikhs, h antimetwpish toy megaloy problhmatos ths anergias apoteloyn chles proteraiothtes gia tis proodeytikes kybernhseis kai m` ayth thn ennoia dhmioyrgeitai ena pedio synergasias gia thn antimetwpish twn oysiastikwn problhmatwn apo tis dyo kybernhseis, sto plaisio bebaiws, ths E. E. Oson afora ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, h Germania einai mia megalh dynamh. Einai h megalh xwra ths E. E. Asfalws, o rolos ths exei ena idiaitero baros. Pisteyoyme oti h ejwterikh politikh ths Germanias, opws ayth ekfrasthke kai akoloyqhqhke ta teleytaia xronia, qa synexisei na einai mia politikh, h opoia qa symballei sthn taxyterh proodo ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs afenos kai afeteroy sth dhmioyrgia kalwn synqhkwn synergasias metajy olwn twn xwrwn sthn Eyrwph. Ayto einai kati to opoio to qewroyme san dedomeno, an qelete, san bebaio kai gi` ayto to sxoliazw. Nomizw oti oi dyo politikoi andres, oi opoioi opws sas eipa epikoinwnhsan thlefwnikws, apo xqes to brady kiolas, qa exoyn th dynatothta syntoma na synanthqoyn. Den mporw ayth thn wra na milhsw me perissoteres leptomereies. Sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn ths E. E. problepetai, metajy allwn, sth Biennh, mia synergasia. An doqei h dynatothta na breqoyn sth Biennh kai oi dyo andres, qa synanthqoyn. Qa einai mia prwth eykairia na antallajoyn apoceis. Mporei na mh ginei twra, na ginei argotera. Alla, en pash periptwsei, einai qema ligoy xronoy h synanthsh ayth.

ROYMPANHS: Epeidh exoyme na kanoyme me ena prwtofanes gegonos, gia ta ellhnika dedomena, sthn ejelijh toy, me ton Matei, apo thn arxh ews to telos. O Prwqypoyrgos einai enhmeros gia ta kratika organa ta opoia htan entetalmena na parakoloyqhsoyn ayth thn ypoqesh, eite htan Ypoyrgoi, eite Grammateis Ypoyrgeiwn, eite organa...

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, bebaiws, se kybernhtiko epipedo gnwrizei poioi einai oi synergates toy Ypoyrgoi, Yfypoyrgoi, Genikoi Grammateis, oi opoioi exoyn analabei rolo sygkekrimeno na diadramatisoyn, sto plaisio tetoiwn diadikasiwn.

ROYMPANHS: Den perimenei, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos thn eisaggelikh ereyna. Jerei poioi exoyn anakateyqei.

REPPAS: Se ypoyrgiko epipedo, asfalws, jerei. Eseis, omws, rwtate gia plhrofories poy exoyn sxesh me yphresiakoys paragontes. Thn eyqynh twn yphresiakwn paragontwn, efoson yparxoyn, qa thn ereynhsei o dikasths kai qa exoyme tis telikes qeseis otan ekdoqei to sxetiko porisma.

KARAGIANNH: Eqese ws "oro" o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, o k. Rwmaios ston Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy na mhn epimeinei sthn paraithsh toy, safestata diatypwmenh qesh apo ton k. Shmith oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes sthn pragmatikh istoria ths odoy Niobhs;.

REPPAS: Oyte kata dianoia teqhke tetoio qema. Th qesh ayth, poy einai qesh ths Kybernhshs, th diatypwsame oloi apo thn prwth stigmh, alla den apotelei apotelesma mias tetoias diadikasias san ayth thn opoia yponohsate me thn erwthsh sas. Kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia den exei ayto.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, prwton, an to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs ypaxqei se allo Ypoyrgeio. Deyteron, an o Prwqypoyrgos meletaei anasxhmatismo meta tis dhmotikes ekloges. Triton, ean symbainei, genikes armodiothtes na tis analabei o idios se ena grafeio para tw Prwqypoyrgw. Se ola ayta, mporeite na moy apanthsete;

REPPAS: Tipota apo ola ayta den exei apasxolhsei ton Prwqypoyrgo.

Eyxaristw poly.


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