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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete th dhlwsh poy ekana, xqes arga th nyxta. Gnwrizete, epishs, tis dhlwseis poy ekane shmera to prwi o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Pagkalos.

O Ampntoylax Otsalan filojenhqhke tis teleytaies hmeres se xwro poy toy paraxwrhsan oi ellhnikes arxes sthn Kenya. Bebaiws, h paramonh toy ekei eixe proswrino xarakthra kai den mporoyse na ejomoiwqei me to kaqestws poy prokyptei apo th xorhghsh asyloy se opoion endexomenws to zhtei. Kata thn periodo ayth, protaqhke ston Koyrdo hgeth na metabei se allh xwra ths Afrikhs, afoy eixame ypoch mas oti yphrxan kapoies xwres oi opoies eixan symfwnhsei na ton dexqoyn. O idios o k. Otsalan arnhqhke ayth thn protash. Epeleje na metabei sthn Ollandia. Qewrhse oti toy ejasfalizei th metabash ayth h kybernhsh ths Kenyas kai gi` ayto akribws eginan syzhthseis kai synennohseis me tis arxes ths xwras ayths, prokeimenoy na prowqhqei o Ampntoylax Otsalan ston topo poy eixe epilejei ws proorismo toy, thn Ollandia. Apo to xroniko ekeino shmeio poy apoxwrhse apo ton topo poy diemene tis teleytaies hmeres, h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei oyte plhrofories, oyte kai eyqynes gia to pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata. Einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs ths Kenyas gia to poia htan h synexeia twn kinhsewn toy Ampntoylax Otsalan. Ekfrazoyme th dysareskeia mas giati mexri twra den exoyn parasxeqei aytes oi plhrofories.

Oson afora to fainomeno katalhchs ktiriwn ellhnikwn arxwn se diafores xwres, to kataggelloyme kai to katadikazoyme. Oi prajeis aytes einai prajeis exqrikes pros thn Ellada. Einai prajeis bias kai barbarothtas poy akyrwnoyn kai ton teleytaio kokko dikaioy poy emperiexetai se enan agwna gia thn yperaspish twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai den tairiazoyn se aytoys poy isxyrizontai oti agwnizontai gia ta dikaiwmata toys.

H qesh ths Elladas gia to koyrdiko zhthma exei diatypwqei kat` epanalhch. To koyrdiko problhma poy antimetwpizei sto eswteriko ths h Toyrkia, prepei na epilyqei me politika, diplwmatika kai eirhnika mesa. Einai dieqnes zhthma kai den mporei na ypaxqei, na perioristei kai na syrriknwqei ws ena shmeio sto plaisio ths ellhnotoyrkikhs atzentas qematwn. Ayth h qesh thn opoia me krystallinh diaygeia exoyme diatypwsei edw kai poly kairo, pisteyoyme oti einai h monh orqh qesh. Paramenoyme se ayth kai opws sto parelqon, etsi kai twra, qa epidiwjoyme na eyaisqhtopoihsoyme to dieqnh paragonta gia thn antimetwpish toy koyrdikoy zhthmatos me tetoio tropo poy qa odhghsei sthn telikh epilysh toy.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na apanthsw stis erwthseis sas.

LIARELLHS: Oi synennohseis me thn kybernhsh ths Kenyas gia th metabash toy Otsalan sthn Ollandia eginan apo ton idio ton Otsalan h symmeteixe kai o Ellhnas presbhs se aytes;

REPPAS: Oi synennohseis eginan apeyqeias metajy toy Otsalan kai twn arxwn ths Kenyas, alla htan en gnwsei twn ellhnikwn arxwn.

LIARELLHS: Gia thn paramonh toy Otsalan sthn Kenya h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe enhmerwsei thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai tis Hnwmenes Politeies;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den eixe enhmerwsei alles kybernhseis gi` ayth thn ejelijh twn kinhsewn toy Otsalan, epeidh akribws epediwke thn egkatastash toy me th dikh toy synainesh se xwra h opoia htan diateqeimenh na ton dexqei kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh eixan ginei shmantika bhmata. Qewroysame dhladh pws to kaqestws paramonhs toy sto oikhma poy toy paraxwrhqhke sthn Kenya, htan apolytws proswrino.

MPOYATAR: Mias kai elhje to telesigrafo poy eqese to prwi o k. Pagkalos, ti metra protiqetai na labei h Ellada gia na diwjei toys Koyrdoys apo ta projeneia kai tis presbeies kai an qa zhthsei th syndromh kapoias xwras gia epembash ths astynomias.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei erqei se epafh me tis armodies yphresies twn xwrwn, opoy exoyn labei xwra ayta ta fainomena. Exoyn desmeyqei oi ekproswpoi twn kybernhsewn twn xwrwn aytwn oti qa analaboyn kaqe drasthriothta poy einai epibeblhmenh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn to problhma, na ekkenwsoyn dhladh toys xwroys poy exoyn katalhfqei. Epishmainw ws qetikh ejelijh th dhlwsh toy k. Kagia poy kalei toys Koyrdoys poy exoyn proxwrhsei se aytes tis katalhceis, na egkataleicoyn ta ktiria. Epishs, opws exei diamhnysei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, exoyn lhfqei ola ta aparaithta metra, prokeimenoy na prolhfqoyn kai na antimetwpistoyn eknomes prajeis kai energeies sthn Ellada h alloy se baros mas. Ayto pisteyoyme oti prepei na exei ermhneyqei swsta apo toys paralhptes toy kai na mhn exoyme peraiterw synthrhsh aytoy toy fainomenoy.

MPOYATAR: Sxetika me ayta ta metra enas dikhgoros toy Otsalan dhlwse oti h EYP eixe enhmerwqei apo proxtes oti yphrxe problhma kai etoimazotan apo Koyrdoys ayth h kinhsh katalhchs projeneiwn kai presbeiwn. Pws ejhgeite loipon, oti apo to prwi oi Koyrdoi phgan, opws hqelan, opoy hqelan kai ekanan tis katalhceis;

REPPAS: Antilambanomai oti h kritikh poy periexetai sthn erwthsh sas, den apeyqynetai sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Askeite kritikh stis kybernhseis twn kratwn, opoy filojenoyntai oi presbeies ths xwras mas, poy exoyn katalhfqei. Asfalws, eixe doqei h aparaithth enhmerwsh. To oti den antimetwpisthke egkairws ayth h epidiwjh, ayto to sxedio, poy fainetai oti eixan epejergastei omades Koyrdwn se diafores xwres ths Eyrwphs, einai qema poy afora thn eyqynh poy exoyn oi kybernhseis kai oi armodies arxes kaqe xwras, na prostateyoyn toys diplwmatikoys xwroys, toys xwroys opoy filojenoyntai oi diplwmatikes apostoles allwn xwrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas eixame rwthsei polles fores edw an eixe erqei o k. Otsalan kai panta to diaceydate. Shmera o k. Pagkalos eipe oti hrqe. Poios leei alhqeia kai poios leei cemata; Eseis legate oti den hrqe pote. O k. Pagkalos eipe oti hrqe, toy edwsan kaysima kai efyge. Poio einai alhqeia;

REPPAS: "Kai ta dyo einai alhqeia". Giati o k. Pagkalos swsta eipe oti prosferqhke ayth h bohqeia gia anqrwpistikoys kai mono logoys. Den yphrxe periptwsh na ginei dekth h aithsh gia paramonh toy k. Otsalan sthn Ellada. Egw tonisa kat` epanalhch oti den prepei na parameinoyme se ayth th syzhthsh, anaferomenoi stis texnikes h dioikhtikes pleyres toy qematos, alla qa prepei na epidoqoyme se mia politikh proseggish toy zhthmatos aytoy kai s` ayth thn politikh proseggish anefera th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, opws anefera epishs oti o Koyrdos hgeths den eprokeito na ginei dektos sthn Ellada. Me thn ennoia ayth, h Ellada den filojenhse ton Koyrdo hgeth. Prosfere ayth th bohqeia, h opoia htan kaqoristikh ekeinh th stigmh gia thn idia th zwh toy kai th zwh twn synepibatwn toy. Antilambaneste pws ayto to qema to opoio exei polles pleyres kai apaitei poly leptoys kai ypeyqynoys xeirismoys apo thn pleyra mas, to xeiristhkame me thn aparaithth synesh kai eyqynh, wste na prostateysoyme ta symferonta ths xwras mas kai taytoxrona apo logoys arxwn, allhleggyhs kai anqrwpismoy na kanoyme ekeines tis epiloges, thn krisimh stigmh, poy den qa dhmioyrgoysan peraiterw kindynoys gia th zwh toy Ampntoylax Otsalan kai twn synepibatwn toy sto aeroplano sto opoio ki ekeinos epebaine.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti efyge apo ton topo poy ton filojenoysate sthn Kenya kai apo ekeinh thn wra den exei kamia eyqynh h Ellada. O k. Pagkalos eipe oti efyge apo ekei kai ton akoloyqoyse aytokinhto me diplwmates poy exoyme ekei kai jafnika ton exasan sto dromo. Einai etsi;

REPPAS: Etsi einai. Oi ellhnikes arxes parakoloyqhsan ayth th diadikasia. Diapistwsan oti den epibibasthke sto aeroplano poy qa ton metefere ston topo epiloghs toy. Apo thn pomph twn aytokinhtwn poy dhmioyrghqhke sto plaisio ayths ths apostolhs, jekophke kapoia stigmh to aytokinhto poy metefere ton Koyrdo hgeth kai ektote den yparxei opoiadhpote plhroforia gia thn tyxh toy. Ayto akribws eipame me thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwsa, xqes th nyxta. Ayto eipe to prwi o k. Pagkalos. Ayto epanalambanw twra. Ayto einai h alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den ton akoloyqhse to ellhniko diplwmatiko aytokinhto; Giati den ton akoloyqhse otan estrice;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ejelissontai se mia allh xwra. Ejelissontai sthn Kenya. Gnwrizete oti ton elegxo gia osa ginontai se mia allh xwra ton exoyn oi arxes ayths ths xwras. Den ton exei h Ellada. Mhn perimenete, loipon, anazhtwntas isws eyqynes sthn ellhnikh pleyra, na exoyme emeis analabei prwtoboylies, oi opoies qa htan profanws astoxes kai en pash periptwsei anapotelesmatikes. Se mia xwra oi arxes ths xwras ayths einai ypeyqynes na askoyn to rolo toys, ta kaqhkonta toys me tetoio tropo, wste na diasfalizoyn ayta ta opoia h kybernhsh ths xwras exei desmeytei oti qa prajei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis pisteyete oti me ayta poy leei h kybernhsh peiqei ton kosmo oti egine etsi;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei synhgoro ths thn alhqeia. Apo thn prwth stigmh, h kybernhsh exei pei me safhneia th qesh ths gia to megalo ayto zhthma poy apasxolei kai prepei na apasxolhsei entonotera thn epomenh periodo th dieqnh koinothta. H ellhnikh kybernhsh den epidiwkei th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Stoxeyei sthn yperaspish twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Aytos einai o kyrios gnwmonas ths politikhs poy askoyme kai se ayth thn politikh arxwn qa parameinoyme.

POYLIDOY: Mexri twra h kybernhsh, symfwna kai me osa mas legate edw mesa, akoloyqoyse mia politikh mh emplokhs ths Elladas sto koyrdiko problhma. Taytoxronws h kybernhsh pareixe ellhniko edafos gia filojenia toy Koyrdoy hgeth sthn Kenya. Poso symbates einai aytes oi dyo qeseis;

REPPAS: Mas kathgoreite, loipon, oti estw kai gia liges hmeres prosferame xwro gia na filojenhqei o Koyrdos hgeths, o opoios eixe synqhkes plhroys asfaleias gia th zwh toy. Dystyxws, h epilogh poy ekane na epidiwjei th metabash toy se mia allh xwra, afoy synennohqhke pros toyto me tis arxes ths Kenyas, apodeixqhke atyxhs epilogh. Gi` ayto den exei kamia eyqynh h ellhnikh kybernhsh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, sto plaisio ths politikhs poy askei gia to koyrdiko zhthma kai me plhrh syneidhsh ths shmasias aytoy poy ekane, paraxwrhse gia liges hmeres stegh kai filojenia ston Otsalan, se oikhma sthn Kenya. Ayto pisteyoyme oti eprepe na kanoyme, epeidh epidiwjame -kai me eyqynh oxi dikh mas, dystyxws, h prospaqeia ayth den telesforhse- th metabash kai egkatastash toy se allh xwra h opoia htan proqymh na ton dextei. Ayto htan to sxedio mas to opoio qesame se efarmogh. Den eimaste ypeyqynoi, giati den efarmosthke.

DELATOLAS: Eiste se qesh na mas peite poios kybernhtikos ajiwmatoyxos phre thn eyqynh gia th filojenia;

REPPAS: To qema ayto antimetwpisthke kata ton tropo poy hdh gnwrizete, meta apo apofash ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, h opoia bebaiws eixe probei se oles tis aparaithtes synennohseis me synarmodioys ypoyrgoys. H apofash ayth ekfrazei to synolo ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

DELATOLAS: Mporeite na mas peite poia xwra ejefrase thn proqesh na dwsei politiko asylo ston Otsalan;

REPPAS: Einai kapoies xwres ths afrikanikhs hpeiroy. Qa apofygw na tis onomasw gia logoys poy antilambaneste. Oi xwres aytes yphrxan kai yparxoyn.

KIAOS: Poioi logoi einai aytoi;

REPPAS: Oi xwres aytes eixan symfwnhsei na dexqoyn ton A. Otsalan. Pisteyoyme oti twra poy to qema exei pleon ayth thn ejelijh kai epeidh den yfistatai to endexomeno na egkatastaqei o k. Otsalan se mia apo aytes tis xwres, den prepei na milhsoyme pio sygkekrimena. Giati oi xwres aytes qa exoyn kaqe logo na paraponoyntai, afoy anaferontas tes, dhmioyrgoyme isws kapoio politiko h diplwmatiko zhthma.

PARIS: O ekproswpos toy RKK, shmera, se mia synenteyjh poy edwse, dinei mia teleiws diaforetikh eikona, me thn ennoia oti h ellhnikh Presbeia piese ton Otsalan na fygei apo thn Presbeia, xwris na toy dwsei kamia eggyhsh. Toy eipe h na paei sthn ejoxh kapoy sthn Kenya h na paei na zhthsei asylo se mia ellhnikh ekklhsia kai apo ekei kai pera, qa dei ti qa ginei. Piezomenos, loipon, na fygei den eixe allh epilogh, para na kanei th diapragmateysh me tis Arxes ths Kenyas. Malista, o ekproswpos toy RKK afhse yponooymena oti h Ellada sthn oysia ton paredwse sthn Toyrkia. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poies koyrdikes phges isxyrizontai ta osa anaferate ki eseis sthn erwthsh sas. Ayto to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe mesolabhsei gia thn egkatastash toy ekei kai eixe sxedon ejasfalisei thn apodoxh kapoiwn xwrwn ths afrikanikhs hpeiroy, na dexqoyn ton A. Otsalan. To oti ayto den egine, apotelei epilogh toy idioy toy k. Otsalan. Ara, h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe energhsei me poly eyqynh kai idiaitero endiaferon gia thn tyxh toy A. Otsalan s` ayth thn kateyqynsh kai den exei kamia eyqynh gia to oti ta pragmata phran mia teleiws diaforetikh troph. Pisteyoyme oti h eypistia, isws, poy edeije o k. Ostalan stis diabebaiwseis twn Arxwn ths Kenyas, oti qa mporoysan na ton prowqhsoyn sth xwra poy o idios protimhse na metabei, thn Ollandia, eixan ayto to atyxes gi` ayton apotelesma, enw an eixe dexqei tis protaseis poy toy eixan ginei, shmera qa htan se mia allh xwra apolytws asfalhs.

PARIS: Otan o Otsalan hrqe sthn Ellada, hrqe mono gia anefodiasmo; O k. Najakhs, sthn idia synenteyjh, mas eipe oti ton filojenhse gia peripoy dyo-treis hmeres, sth Nea Makrh kai ekei ton episkefqhke o arxhgos ths EYP k. Stayrakakhs, o opoios toy edwse thn eidhsh ths prowqhshs toy sto Nairompi. Einai alhqeia ayto;

REPPAS: Qa htan oleqrio, poly perissotero poy einai gnwsto, pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata, na parameinoyme akomh kai shmera se mia syzhthsh, h opoia ej antikeimenoy synthrei th sygxysh h opoia dhmioyrghqhke, mesw ths diakinhshs diaforwn plhroforiwn, ekeinh thn periodo. Pisteyoyme oti kalo einai na parameinoyme stis ypeyqynes epiloges poy ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh yperaspizomenh ta symferonta ths xwras kai deixnontas, taytoxrona, sebasmo ston agwna poy kanei o koyrdikos laos gia thn anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn toy. Kai na mhn teinoyme eyhkoa wta se oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi synthroyn sthn agora, sth dhmosia zwh ena qema gia logoys poy ekeinoi, isws, gnwrizoyn. Emas, pantws, den mas briskoyn symfwnoys. Kai prepei na pw oti exoyn megalh eyqynh oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi isws me th stash toys, tis dhlwseis toys, tis prosdokies poy kallierghsan dhmioyrghsan ceydaisqhseis ston A. Otsalan h stoys synergates toy gia to ti eprokeito na ginei, an o idios epelege kai epemene na zhtaei asylo apo thn Ellada. Pisteyw oti h analysh ayth, an thn exoyn kanei kapoioi, htan apolytws lanqasmenh kai an sthrijan panw se mia tetoia lanqasmenh analysh tis kinhseis kai tis epiloges toys, den epedeijan eyqynh kai pisteyw oti leitoyrghsan an oxi antiqetws, pantws, oxi apolytws qetika me ta symferonta ths xwras mas.

PARIS: Filojenhqhke sthn Ellada h oxi;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto, opws apanthse to prwi kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, gia to poia htan h sxesh ths paroysias toy A. Otsalan sthn Ellada, me ton topo, me ton xrono kai ton tropo.

ADAM: Prwton, qa hqela na mas katonomasete ton topo proeleyshs toy Otsalan sthn Kenya. Deyteron, xrhsimopoieite synexeia to trito proswpo. Dhladh, protaqhke ston k. Otsalan na metabei sthn Kenya, protaqhke ayto, protaqhke ekeino. Ti toy proteinan kai poioi;

REPPAS: Toy protaqhke apo tis ellhnikes arxes. Oi protaseis aytes eginan en gnwsei ths hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

ADAM: Kata thn paramonh toy sthn Kerkyra, h ellhnikh kybernhsh toy proteine na paei sthn Kenya, poy shmainei oti eixe prohgoymenws diaboyleyqei h Aqhna me to Nairompi gia na ton dexqei;

REPPAS: Einai mia ypoqesh poy kanete eseis. Parakalw, mh sthrizete se mia ypoqesh thn erwthsh poy diatypwnete.

ADAM: Den kanw ypoqesh. Erwtw, h Aqhna diaboyleyqhke me to Nairompi gia na dexqei ton Otsalan h Kenya;

REPPAS: O Otsalan breqhke sthn Kenya kai breqhke ekei en gnwsei twn ellhnikwn Arxwn. Gi` ayto akribws, oi ellhnikes Arxes, apo thn prwth stigmh, toy paraxwrhsan topo, prokeimenoy na diameinei.

ADAM: Oi ellhnikes arxes proteinan ston Otsalan na metabei, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Oi ellhnikes arxes proteinan ston k. Otsalan na anazhthsei asylo kai na epidiwjei thn egkatastash toy se mia afrikanikh xwra. Kai pros toytoy h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe proxwrhsei se synennohseis kai eixe ejasfalisei th symfwnia kai thn apodoxh afrikanikwn xwrwn.

ADAM: Gia to prwto poy sas rwthsa, ton topo proeleyshs toy Otsalan otan katebhke sthn Kerkyra;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio ayth thn wra den exei ajia na to syzhthsoyme. En pash periptwsei den to kanoyme gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me ayto to opoio prepei na apofygoyme, poy einai h synthrhsh ths sygxyshs gia to ti egine olh ekeinh thn periodo. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti oi ellhnikes arxes proseferan filojenia ston k. Otsalan, apo th stigmh poy breqhke sthn Kenya kai apo ekeinh th stigmh poy toy prosferqhke filojenia, oi ellhnikes arxes htan ypeyqynes kai gia thn asfaleia ths zwhs toy. Pragma to opoio eixan diasfalisei.

ADAM: Qa hqela na mas katonomasete to xwro, dhladh, to ellhniko edafos poy filojenhqhke o Otsalan, otan katebhke sthn Kenya.

REPPAS: Einai ktirio poy telei ypo ton elegxo twn ellhnikwn arxwn.

ADAM: Ti einai; Einai katoikia, presbeia h projeneio; Den yparxei allos xwros. Einai kapoios apo toys treis.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ths syzhthshs mas, parakalw, na kanoyme politikh syzhthsh. Den prokeitai na sxhmatisoyme dikografia. Giati an me kaleite na kataqesw th martyria moy gia na symperilhfqei se ena fakelo, o opoios prepei na dhmioyrghqei gia thn ypoqesh ayth den exw tipota na kataqesw, dioti den eimai martyras ayths ths ypoqeshs. Egw anaptyssw tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Exw dwsei plhrh enhmerwsh gia tis qeseis mas aytes olh ayth thn makra periodo kai parakalw na parameinei politikh h syzhthsh mas.

ADAM: H Aqhna exei proxwrhsei se diabhma pros to Nairompi gia to zhthma toy Otsalan;

REPPAS: H Aqhna exei zhthsei plhrofories. Exoyme ekfrasei th dysareskeia mas, pragma to opoio ekana ki egw, molis prin, dhmosiws. Exoyme apodokimasei th stash ths kybernhshs ths Kenyas.

ADAM: Dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy, yparxei diabhma;

REPPAS: Ayto to eipame apo thn prwth stigmh, sthn prwth anakoinwsh mas. To epanelabe o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, shmera to prwi, kai isxyei.

ADAM: Meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis h kybernhsh qewrei to RKK tromokratikh organwsh h oxi;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei pei oti o agwnas gia ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata einai agwnas poy mas briskei apolytws symfwnoys. Prwtostatoyme se oles tis diergasies gia to sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai toy koyrdikoy laoy. Apo ekei kai pera, exoyme tonisei me thn idia emfash oti eimaste apolytws antiqetoi se prajeis bias, se egklhmatikes energeies, oi opoies oxi mono den dikaiwnoyn, alla isa-isa, akyrwnoyn thn prospaqeia gia thn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy. To sebasmo, dhladh, twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Pisteyw oti h Ellada exei aposafhnisei th qesh ths. Den exei dexqei th leitoyrgia mias tetoias organwshs sthn Ellada kai den leitoyrgei mia tetoia organwsh sthn Ellada. Apo ekei kai pera, h Ellada den prokeitai na metablhqei se diaithth kai ajiologhth twn diaforwn organwsewn poy droyn se opoiadhpote perioxh toy kosmoy. H qesh poy diatypwnoyme einai qesh arxwn, epeidh h ejwterikh politikh poy askoyme, einai ejwterikh politikh arxwn.

KARAGIANNH: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Qa hqela na mas peite, pote enhmerwqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia thn proqesh toy Otsalan na mhn parameinei sthn Kenya kai poies htan oi energeies ths apo ekeinh th stigmh kai meta.

REPPAS: Enhmerwqhke tis hmeres poy filojenoyse sthn Kenya ton k. Otsalan.

KARAGIANNH: Mporeite na moy prosdiorisete hmera kai wra;.

REPPAS: Thn hmera kai thn wra, oxi. Ayth thn wra den mporw na to prosdiorisw. An qelete, dhladh, na katartisoyme ena astynomiko deltio, ayto einai peripoy adynato. Gnwrizete, peripoy, poios einai o ariqmos twn hmerwn, poy paremeine se ekeino to xwro. Sth diarkeia aytwn twn hmerwn, eginan syzhthseis gia ton topo poy eprepe oristika na egkatastaqei o k. Otsalan. Sto plaisio, loipon, aytwn twn syzhthsewn, diatypwqhke kai h dikh toy protimhsh na metabei sthn Ollandia, me th mesolabhsh twn arxwn ths Kenyas.

KARAGIANNH: Meta th dhlwsh, to prwi, toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Toyrkias oti o hgeths toy RKK brisketai sta xeria twn toyrkikwn Arxwn, qewrei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti htan epityxeis oi xeirismoi na mhn enhmerwsei h kybernhsh thn E. E. gia thn ejelijh poy eixe ayto to dekapenqhmero to qema toy Otsalan;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti oi xeirismoi ths kybernhshs htan apolytws epityxeis. Htan xeirismoi eyqynhs, oi opoioi stoxeyan sto na ejasfalistei h diamonh toy A. Otsalan se mia xwra, opoy ypo kaqestws plhroys asfaleias gia th zwh toy, qa mporoyse na synexisei epi makron na paramenei. To oti o idios epeleje na metabei se mia allh xwra, me tis parepomenes synepeies, dystyxws, den htan epilogh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den aptetai xeirismwn poy ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai gi` ayto akribws, den mporei na exei opoiadhpote eyqynh h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

DHMAKAS: Yparxei eggrafo ths Presbeias mas sto Nairompi, pros to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio na metaferei epishmws to aithma gia paroxh asyloy ston Otsalan;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poia eggrafa exoyn diakinhqei. Gnwrizw, omws, ayto poy epishmws kai dhmosiws eipe, shmera to prwi, o k. Pagkalos, oti tetoia aithsh den exei ypoblhqei.

DHMAKAS: To proswpiko ths ellhnikhs Presbeias, ejasfalise, einai sigoyrh oti h omada poy paredwse ton Otsalan htan amigws omada ths Dhmokratias ths Kenyas, dhladh, twn yphresiwn ths kai oti den htan mazi kai alloi anqrwpoi apo kapoies trites xwres;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe ejasfalisei synqhkes asfaleias gia olh thn periodo twn ligwn aytwn hmerwn poy o k. Otsalan paremeine sto sygkekrimeno xwro. Apo thn wra poy, meta apo dikh toy symfwnia, doqhke stis arxes ths Kenyas h dynatothta na ton synodeysoyn, prokeimenoy na ton prowqhsoyn sto topo ths epiloghs toy, emeis payoyme na exoyme opoiondhpote elegxo, epi twn kinhsewn toy k. Otsalan. Ayto shmainei oti den mporei emeis, gia ta osa ejelixqhkan se mia allh xwra, na exoyme th dynatothta toy elegxoy h kai thn eyqynh gia to oti telikws proekyce ayto to apotelesma.

DHMAKAS: H paradosh toy, dhladh, egine se Kenyates;

REPPAS: H synennohsh toy k. Otsalan eixe ginei me ekproswpoys twn arxwn ths Kenyas. Ekproswpoi twn arxwn ths Kenyas htan aytoi, oi opoioi synanthqhkan me ton A. Otsalan, prokeimenoy na ton synodeysoyn kai na ton prowqhsoyn ston topo ths epiloghs toy.

DHMAKAS: Prin treis-tesseris hmeres toy zhthsame piestika -kai epanaferw me allh morfh ena erwthma- na fygei apo ton ellhniko xwro h apo to spiti toy presbeyth opoy htan kai malista me thlefwnikh parembash ypoyrgoy sto Nairompi.

REPPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw mia epishmansh, oti dystyxws kata th diarkeia aytwn twn hmerwn o k. Otsalan den elabe, opws ofeile, ola ta metra ekeina, prokeimenoy na prostateysei thn paramonh toy. Dystyxws, egine gnwsto stis arxes kai allwn xwrwn oti paramenei s` ayto to ktirio. H ellhnikh kybernhsh apo thn arxh toy eixe aposafhnisei oti ton filojenei proswrina. Skopos htan h metabash toy se xwra poy qa apodexotan thn ekei egkatastash toy. Sto shmeio ayto eixame fqasei, otan o A. Otsalan ekane mia allh epilogh, h opoia htan dikhs toy eyqynhs me th gnwsth synexeia kai synepeia.

PODHMATA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi arxes ths Kenyas, pote kai pws plhroforhqhkan oti o Otsalan brisketai se ellhniko edafos sto Nairompi; Apo ton idio ton Otsalan, apo kapoion allo tropo;

REPPAS: S` ayto to mikro diasthma twn ligwn hmerwn, poy ginontan syzhthseis gia thn ejasfalish enos proorismoy poy qa mporoyse na ton dexqei, eginan kai syzhthseis prokeimenoy o k. Otsalan, me th mesolabhsh twn arxwn ths Kenyas, na metabei sthn Ollandia, opws o idios eixe epilejei. Ara oi arxes ths Kenyas gnwrizan oti sto ktirio ayto htan egkatesthmenos o A. Otsalan kai eixe ekdhlwsei ayth thn protimhsh, ayth thn epiqymia. Apo ena shmeio kai meta, loipon, antilambaneste oloi pws eixe ginei peripoy pagkoinws gnwsto oti sto xwro ekeino filojeneitai o Ampntoylax Otsalan.

PODHMATA: Katalabainw pws lete oti den egine me prwtoboylia twn ellhnikwn arxwn, apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, ayth h enhmerwsh. Emeis den enhmerwsame thn Kenya gia to gegonos.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh; An symfwnw me to symperasma sas;

PODHMATA: Sas ekana mia erwthsh prin. Pws kai pote...

REPPAS: Kai egw edwsa arketes sxetikes apanthseis pio prin.

PODHMATA: Pws kai pote enhmerwqhkan oi arxes ths Kenyas gia to gegonos oti o Otsalan briskontan se ellhnikh katoikia sto Nairompi;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn gia th mesolabhsh twn arxwn aytwn, prokeimenoy na metabei o k. Otsalan sthn Ollandia.

PODHMATA: Pote plhroforhqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti o Otsalan brisketai sta xeria twn toyrkikwn arxwn; To plhroforhqhke apo th synenteyjh Typoy toy k. Etzebit shmera h nwritera;

REPPAS: To plhroforhqhkame apo th synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos. Pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia, qa parasxei oles tis eggyhseis, opws se kaqe atomo to opoio diwketai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei me tropo dikaio kai orqo. H Ellada qa parakoloyqhsei ayto to qema. H dieqnhs koinh gnwmh exei idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai endiaferon kai pisteyoyme oti qa epagrypnei prokeimenoy na thrhqoyn oloi oi kanones kai oi eggyhseis poy problepontai s' aytes tis periptwseis.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, polles fores sth diarkeia, edw, ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs, mas eipate oti eixate ejasfalisei thn asfalh diamonh toy Otsalan sthn Kenya. Ayth h ejasfalish pws egine; Me toys ypallhloys ths ekei presbeias h steilate kai apo edw kapoies dynameis;

REPPAS: Ayto exei mikrh shmasia. Shmasia exei oti kaq` olo ayto to diasthma poy paremeine ekei, den dietreje opoiondhpote kindyno. To qema dhmioyrghqhke otan, anti na epilejei enan proorismo, opws toy eixame ypodeijei, epeleje enan allon. Prokeimenoy, loipon, na metabei sthn Ollandia, eneplakhsan oi arxes ths Kenyas. Ekei, pleon, h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei opoiadhpote symmetoxh, poly perissotero eyqynh. Kai ta apotelesmata einai gnwsta.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Otan kata th metafora -opws mas eipate- xaqhke to aytokinhto me ton Otsalan, enhmerwqhke, ypoqetw, h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Oi kinhseis poy ekane h kybernhsh, poies htan; Enhmerwse tis alles eyrwpaikes xwres, egine kati, ti kanate;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw, oti ayth h syzhthsh pairnei xarakthra anakrishs. Edw den sxhmatizoyme kapoio fakelo.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Erwthsh einai, kyrie Ypoyrge! Ti anakrish;

REPPAS: Parakalw. Me rwtate gia to pote egine ti. Sas lew poies einai oi politikes qeseis ths kybernhshs kai sas dinw tis plhrofories ekeines poy einai aparaithtes prokeimenoy na ejagagete ta symperasmata sas. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei epikoinwnhsei me jenoys paragontes. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei syzhthsei, exei epikoinwnhsei me synadelfoys toy twn xwrwn ths E. E. Kai, bebaiws, h Ellada qetei ayto to qema, ws qema me dieqnes endiaferon.

AFENTOYLH: Kyrie Reppa, egw den qelw na meinw stis leptomereies poy aforoyn thn Kenya. Nomizw oti yparxei ena erwthma, sto opoio den exete apanthsei kai qa moy epitrecete na sas to ypobalw. Prin thn Kenya, poio politiko skeptiko odhghse thn ellhnikh kybernhsh -poy opoiosdhpote tritos qa elege oti den prepei na paijei kaqoloy ayto to rolo, gia logoys prostasias twn eqnikwn ths symferontwn- na paijei ayto to rolo, toy metaforea, oysiastika, toy Otsalan se mia trith xwra;

REPPAS: Kathgoreite, ws antilambanomai, thn kybernhsh giati prosefere aytes tis kales yphresies ston Ampntoylax Otsalan.

AFENTOYLH: Rwtaw. Politika qelw na mas apanthsete.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, apo logoys anqrwpismoy, allhleggyhs kai sebasmoy ths prospaqeias poy kanei enas laos, prosefere aytes tis yphresies, filojenhse ton Ampntoylax Otsalan. Ayth thn epilogh ths den thn ekane shmaia ths politikhs ths. Giati, -epanalambanw- oloi aytoi oi xeirismoi, aforoysan ena endiameso stadio, mexri thn egkatastash toy Ampntoylax Otsalan, se xwra h opoia htan etoimh na ton dexqei. H Ellada eixe diatypwsei me safhneia thn arnhtikh qesh ths sto endexomeno na ton dexqei. Kai ayth einai h politikh poy xaraje, akoloyqhse kai akoloyqei. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia. Kai ayto einai poy mas ekfrazei, xwris apo thn allh na parablepw to oti einai anagkaio, se kapoies tetoies ektaktes synqhkes kai periptwseis, na epideiknyoyme to anqrwpistiko, to oymanistiko proswpo ths allhleggyhs mas se paragontes oi opoioi dokimazontai.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Epeidh exei parelqei to telesigrafo poy exei dwsei o k. Pagkalos, mporeite na mas peite ti metra...

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh poy egine sthn arxh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Syggnwmh, apanthsate oson afora to skelos poy afora tis katalhceis ellhnikwn diplwmatikwn apostolwn sto ejwteriko.

REPPAS: Kai oson afora thn prolhch eknomwn prajewn kai energeiwn, eite sthn Ellada eite enantion twn ellhnikwn symferontwn se alles perioxes.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Sta plaisia ayta ths prolhchs, poses akribws syllhceis exoyn ginei; Kai pws akribws exei to qema; Giati exoyme plhrofories gia syllhceis.

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia antimetwpisan oi kratikes arxes. Oi kratikes arxes ekanan oti einai epibeblhmeno s` ayth thn periptwsh. Kai prepei na gnwrizete oti sthn Ellada yparxei megalh eyaisqhsia, idiaitero endiaferon, gia th diasfalish twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn se oles tis periptwseis.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Mporeite na eiste ligo perissotero analytikos sto ti akribws egine, poia metra exoyn lhfqei;

REPPAS: Epeidh den qelw na mpoyme sthn ariqmologia, na parameinoyme s` ayta ta opoia sas eipa.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Etzebit;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio. O k. Etzebit edwse plhrofories gia to gegonos oti o Ampntoylax Otsalan, brisketai sthn Toyrkia. Ayto to opoio mporei na apotelesei ena diko mas sxolio einai h apanthsh poy edwsa se prohgoymenh sxetikh erwthsh: oti, dhladh, qa prepei na parasxeqoyn oi eggyhseis ston Ampntoylax Otsalan, na toy doqoyn ola ta endika mesa poy dikaioytai na ajiopoihsei prokeimenoy na yperaspisqei th qesh toy. Ola ayta h Ellada, alla kai h Dieqnhs Koinothta, qa ta parakoloyqhsoyme me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia.

KIAOS: H toyrkikh kybernhsh, apo xqes to brady poy bgalate thn anakoinwsh ayth kai poy legate gia tis kinhseis kai tis energeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia ton Otsalan ws shmera, ekane kapoio diabhma pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den exei ginei kati tetoio.

KIAOS: Pws sxoliazete oti mesa se 12 wres se ena toso terastio qema gia thn toyrkikh kybernhsh, gia thn Toyrkia, poy einai to prwto qema, enw gia "cylloy phdhma" bgainei kai kanei mia anakoinwsh, den ekane kamia apolytws energeia;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy epeleje na kanei h Toyrkia. An qelete na krinw thn politikh ths Toyrkias, genikotera, den qa to kanw twra. An qelete, omws, na krinw sygkekrimenes prajeis ths Toyrkias, oi opoies strefontai enantion ths Elladas, qa to kanw, opws to exw kanei sto parelqon kai opws qa to kanw kai sto mellon, efoson exoyme tetoioy eidoys symperifores kai dhlwseis.

KIAOS: Giati epeleje ton k. Mperns to prwi sto ypoyrgeio o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn gia na epikoinwnhsei; Poio to krithrio poy prytaneyse, ap' olo ton kosmo -plhn ths Proedrias ths E. E. - na epikoinwnhsei me tis HPA h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos den milhse mono me ton k. Mperns. Exei milhsei kai me polloys synadelfoys toy. Milhse me ton k. Fiser o opoios proedreyei toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, me ton k. Koyk, me ton Ollando ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Ntats kai me ton k. Ntini. Exei epikoinwnhsei kai synexizei na epikoinwnei me omologoys toy se dieqnes epipedo.

KIAOS: Pantws, den moy apanthsate giati, opws eipe o idios, prwta me ton...

REPPAS: Eseis, profanws qelete, na exei milhsei me ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn xwrwn ths E. E. kai na mhn exei milhsei me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn twn HPA. Milhse kai me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn twn HPA. Den milhse mono me ayton.

KIAOS: Me poia krithria epeleje h kybernhsh thn Kenya, sygkekrimena, prin apo 12 meres;

REPPAS: Thn Kenya thn epeleje o k. Otsalan. H ellhnikh kybernhsh epeleje -kai edw yparxei epilogh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs- na filojenhsei ton k. Otsalan, se diko ths xwro kai na toy prosferei tis synqhkes oi opoies qa diasfalizan to agaqo ths zwhs toy kai ola ta alla anagkaia gia th diabiwsh toy, mexris otoy epiteyxqei h metabash toy se mia xwra poy qa htan etoimh na ton dextei. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth ergasthke h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, o k. Otsalan sas eipe "phgainete me sthn Kenya";

REPPAS: Sthn erwthsh poy diatypwnete, gnwrizete poly kala oti periexetai mia qesh. Qesh thn opoia dexeste eseis kai sthn opoia sthrizete thn erwthsh sas...

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw rwtw.

REPPAS:... qesh thn opoia den dexomai kai ara den mporw na apanthsw se mia tetoia erwthsh.

KIAOS: Oxi, h erwthsh einai safhs kai eyqeia: O k. Otsalan proteine sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh na ton bohqhsei na paei sthn Kenya; Poly aplo einai ayto poy rwtw.

REPPAS: Htan panta diko toy qema to poy qa kateyqynqei. Alloy synanthse kleistes portes, alloy mporoyse na diabei anoixtes portes kai den to ekane, me apotelesma na exoyme ayth thn ejelijh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh synanthse ena aithma toy k. Otsalan kai twn synergatwn toy: na toy parasxeqei filojenia se xwroys ellhnikwn arxwn sthn Kenya. Kai to ekane gia logoys toys opoioys ejhghsa dia makrwn, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis.

KIAOS: Wraia. Kai poios proteine tis 2 h 3 alles afrikanikes xwres; Poios;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh. Oi ellhnikes arxes oi opoies apo thn arxh eixan aposafhnisei oti h egkatastash sto ktirio sthn Kenya eixe proswrino xarakthra. Stoxos htan h egkatastash toy se mia allh xwra, h opoia qa eixe symfwnhsei na ton dextei. Kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth ergasthke h ellhnikh kybernhsh. To eipa se oloys toys tonoys. Parakalw na mhn epanerxomaste diatypwnontas idia h paraplhsia erwthmata.

KIAOS: Qa hqela an mporeite na katonomasete, na peite en pash periptwsei, poia einai ta metra ta opoia den elabe h elabe o Otsalan kai ejeteqh apo ekei poy htan;

REPPAS: O k. Otsalan, apo thn wra poy syzhthse me tis arxes ths Kenyas th metabash toy se mia xwra me th mesolabhsh ths kybernhshs ths Kenyas, gnwrizete poly kala, oti hdh eixe anaferei thn ekei paramonh toy se kapoioys tritoys. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na pw oti kai kata th diarkeia ths ekei paramonhs toy, synanthse synergates kai alloys poy hqelan na ton episkefqoyn kai na synergastoyn mazi toy. O tropos, dhladh, ths ekei zwhs toy, htan tetoios o opoios logw ths drasthriothtas -sxetikhs, bebaiws, afoy htan se ena xwro egkatesthmenos- poy aneptyje, synetelese poly sto na ginei gnwsto oti brisketai ekei.

KIAOS: Epikoinwnhsate me thn Ollandia prohgoymenws, prin ginei h istoria ayths ths metabasews;

REPPAS: Eipa kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh symmetexei se diadikasies kai synennohseis, prokeimenoy na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies se epipedo E. E., gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos. Allwste, ayto einai to prwto shmeio, to opoio periexetai sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwsa kai xqes th nyxta.

KIAOS: Kai mia teleytaia erwthsh: Pote arrwsthse o Prwqypoyrgos kai apo ti pasxei;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (qoryboi).

REPPAS: Lypoymai gia thn antidrash kapoiwn synadelfwn sas.

KIAOS: Me sygxwreite, egw sas rwthsa...

REPPAS: To dexomai, einai etsi opws to lete. O Prwqypoyrgos pasxei apo barytath griph. O pyretos toy einai anw twn 40 baqmwn. Prepei na sas pw omws, oti mexri arga to brady, mexri tis 2 ta jhmerwmata kai pleon, htan se epikoinwnia me oloys toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys kai me emena kai shmera, apo to prwi, einai synexws se thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me oloys toys synergates toy poy xeirizontai sxetika qemata. Alla exei ychlotato pyreto. Ekane mia periodeia triwn hmerwn. Gnwrizete ti shmainei ayto, se mia periodo opoy ena megalo kommati toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy ypoferei apo ton io ayths ths sklhrhs griphs, h opoia den einai mia synhqismenh griph. Lypamai poly giati diapistwsa oti dinontai alles ermhneies s' ayth thn asqeneia. Kai prepei, me thn eykairia na pw, oti yperaspizomaste ta symferonta ths xwras mas exontas ws shmaia mas thn alhqeia. S` ayto symfwnoyme oloi. Otan exoyme kapoies amfibolies, parakalw na mhn tis exoyme prwtista gia thn kybernhsh h gia toys paragontes ths xwras mas. Kai na mhn eimaste perissotero endiaqetoi na dextoyme senaria h ektimhseis poy kanoyn paragontes allwn xwrwn. Giati kai ayto syxna ginetai. Pisteyw oti to aisqhma eyqynhs poy diakatexei oloys mas, mas odhgei se mia tetoia epilogh.

GARGALAKOS: Yphrje, kyrie Ypoyrge, mia filologia gia arketo xroniko diasthma, gia thn paroxh asyloy ston Koyrdo hgeth, ton k. Otsalan. Kai jafnika, bghke shmera to prwi o k. Pagkalos kai eipe oti ayto, akoma kai an ekane aithsh gia asylo, den qa mporoyse na ginei apodekto kai qa eprepe na gyrisei sthn Italia, giati ekane thn epilogh na kanei prwta ekei aithsh paroxhs asyloy. Giati den to eixe dieykrinisei ayto h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai mas afhne toso kairo na diatypwnoyme apoceis h erwthmata giati den dexotan na parasxei asylo ston Koyrdo hgeth;

REPPAS: Giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh den einai mia dioikhtikh yphresia. Einai ena politiko organo. H kybernhsh aneptyje tis politikes qeseis ths. Ta shmantika qemata ta proseggizoyme me politiko kai oxi me dioikhtiko h texniko tropo. Aytoi oi nomikismoi kapoiwn -giati akoysa synadelfoys na diatypwnoyn kritikh enantion ths kybernhshs kai emoy proswpikws, se radiofwnika programmata, shmera to prwi- einai kritikh h opoia ginetai xwris na yparxei antilhch kai gnwsh ths politikhs diadikasias sthn olothta ths. Prepei na sas pw oti to sygkekrimeno qema, asfalws to gnwrizame. To gnwriza kai egw. Giati katakriqhka shmera apo kapoioys epeidh den to anefera apo xqes. An qelete, epikaloymai th martyria synadelfwn sas, me toys opoioys milhsa thlefwnikws, xqes, sto plaisio ths kaqhmerinhs epikoinwnias gia thn plhroforhsh sas, stoys opoioys anefera kai ayto to shmeio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Poio;

REPPAS: Oti pragmatika, nomika h diadikastika den stekei h ypobolh aithshs sthn Ellada gia xorhghsh politikoy asyloy, doqentos oti to qema ayto paramenei se ekkremothta sth geitonikh Italia. Alla, bebaiws, den exei shmasia dia ths diadikastikhs odoy h dia ths nomikhs odoy na poyme oti emeis me anakoyfish diapistwnoyme pws den exoyme kamia emplokh. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na poyme eyqarsws kai prwtogenws th qetikh politikh mas qesh. Kai ayto kaname, wste na einai safes kai sto sygkekrimeno zhthma oti h qesh poy diatypwnoyme einai se apolyth armonia me to synolo twn qesewn poy exoyme anaptyjei olh ayth thn periodo poy syzhtoyme to sxetiko qema. Alla, to sygkekrimeno stoixeio, k. Gargalako, epikaloymai martyria synadelfwn sas, to anefera xqes alla den exei toso megalh shmasia.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na synocisw poly epigrammatika se ayta poy eipate. Eipate kat` arxhn oti o k. Otsalan panta eixe ton prwto logo...

REPPAS: Prepei na synocisete meta apo mia wra syzhthshs; To qewreite anagkaio;

KARGOYDH: Qa katalhjw loipon, qa eimai poly safhs. Eipate, loipon, oti o k. Otsalan panta eixe ton prwto logo gia ton topo toy proorismoy toy. Ena ayto. Deyteron, eipate oti h Kenya...

REPPAS: Den eipa monon ayto. Eixe ton prwto logo me thn proypoqesh bebaiws oti yparxoyn portes anoixtes.

KARGOYDH: Ennoeite. To deytero eipate oti h Kenya ton apedexqh, ws Kenya. Htan ayto prwtoboylia toy k. Otsalan, yphrjan synennohseis...

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin se oles aytes tis erwthseis me kaqe leptomereia.

KARGOYDH: Qa rwthsw, alla mporw na katalhjw; Qelw, loipon, na katalabw. Afoy h Kenya apedexqh ton k. Otsalan giati o k. Otsalan katefyge se ellhniko edafos, na to pw etsi, yphrje ayto to periergo-frikto kaqestws filojenias toy sthn Kenya kai pote oi ellhnikes arxes antelhfqhsan oti o k. Otsalan exei dikes toy diapragmateyseis, oi opoies qetoyn se problhma ton rolo ths Elladas kai thn eyqynh ths enanti ths asfaleias toy Koyrdoy hgeth;

REPPAS: O Koyrdos hgeths diatypwse thn epiqymia toy na metabei sthn Ollandia kai proxwrhse se synennohseis me tis arxes ths Kenyas en gnwsei twn ellhnikwn arxwn. Den egine ayto mystikw tw tropw kai en agnoia twn arxwn ths xwras mas. To oti den eyodwqhke ayth h prospaqeia ofeiletai se logoys poy den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me dikes mas epiloges h xeirismoys. To eipa ayto me apolyth safhneia.

MAYRIDHS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos htan enhmerwmenos gia to gegonos oti o Otsalan briskotan edw kai 12 hmeres sthn Presbeia sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: Eipa oti oi epiloges, oi xeirismoi, oi qeseis ekfrazoyn to synolo ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas ayths ths kybernhshs.

FILHS: Qa ginoyn apelaseis Koyrdwn apo thn Ellada;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia xeirizontai oi armodies arxes. Den prokeitai ayth thn wra na ypokatasthsw tis arxes aytes, oi opoies me toys kanones poy diepoyn th leitoyrgia toys qa laboyn tis sxetikes apofaseis.

FILHS: Dioikhtikh apofash h politiko problhma;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ta xeirizontai oi armodies arxes kai den einai qemata ta opoia xeirizomai kai epi twn opoiwn apofasizw egw.

FILHS: O prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias k. Etzebit, qriambologwntas oti exei sta xeria toy ton k. Otsalan ejefrase thn ikanopoihsh toy gia th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs telikws. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto to qema;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe diatypwsei eyqys ej arxhs th qesh oti den qa paraxwrhsei adeia paramonhs sthn Ellada ston Amntoylax Otsalan. Kai ayto eixe sxoliastei apo polloys kai apo thn toyrkikh hgesia me tropo qetiko. Einai kati to opoio proekyce, den einai kati to opoio epidiwjame, oyte proxwrhsame se ayth thn epilogh gia na drecoyme aytoys toys karpoys, dhladh na ejasfalisoyme ayth thn eymenh aphxhsh twn epilogwn mas. Giati h ejwterikh politikh poy kanoyme einai politikh arxwn, sthrizetai se orismenoys kanones kai me bash aytoys toys kanones energhsame kai energoyme.

FILHS: H ejelijh na paradoqei telikws stoys Toyrkoys, meta apo ta ellhnika xeria na paradoqei se toyrkika xeria me th mesolabhsh kapoiwn dynamewn poy den gnwrizoyme akribws poies einai. Einai h Kenya, einai h CIA, den jeroyme poioi einai. Kata thn ektimhsh thn politikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ikanopoiei th staqerothta sthn perioxh, thn anaptyjh kai thn prostasia twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti h staqerothta kai h eirhnh sthn perioxh ikanopoioyntai kai diasfalizontai efoson ginontai sebastoi oi kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Efoson throyntai oi Dieqneis Synqhkes, poy exoyn ypografei metajy twn xwrwn ayths ths perioxhs. Efoson leitoyrgoyn oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi, efoson ginontai sebasta ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata sthn perioxh. Se aytes tis kateyqynseis kineitai pagiws h ellhnikh politikh. Kalo einai kai oi alles xwres na kinhqoyn ston idio ajona. Den to prattoyn sto baqmo poy apaiteitai kai gi` ayto yparxoyn problhmata. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti emeis, ws xwra, exoyme epilejei na akoloyqoyme mia politikh h opoia einai symfwnh me toys kanones aytoys. Mia politikh poy einai se apolyth armonia me th dieqnh ennomh tajh. Kai ayto kaloyme na kanoyn kai oi alles xwres sthn perioxh kai se olo ton kosmo.

FILHS: Exontas h mh exontas eyqynh h Ellada h Toyrkia emfanizetai na exei nikhsei, na exei sta xeria ths ton prwto antipalo ths kata ta legomena olhs ths politikhs hgesias. Ayto einai mia ejelijh poy ektima pws h Ellada;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena symperasma sto opoio odhgeiste eseis, den to symmerizomai giati pisteyw oti h Toyrkia prepei polla akomh na prajei, prokeimenoy na deijei oti pragmati sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai prepei na analabei prwtoboylies, wste thn epomenh periodo, "idoy h Rodos, idoy kai to phdhma" qa elega, dokimazomenh se sygkekrimeno qema na kerdisei thn empistosynh ths E. E. kai ths dieqnoys koinothtas ws xwra h opoia exei sygxronoys qesmoys, exei pragmati anejarthth dikaiosynh, einai mia xwra h opoia sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, sebetai ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn ths. Idoy stadion dojhs lampron gia thn Toyrkia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na mas dieykrinisete an o k. Otsalan hrqe se epikoinwnia me tis arxes ths Kenyas, meta apo arnhsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras, na einai ekeinh poy qa exei ton elegxo ths metabashs toy sthn Ollandia.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh apo thn wra poy den mporoyse, giati den eixe prokycei kapoio tetoio qetiko mhnyma, na diasfalisei oti qa ginei dektos sthn Ollandia, den mporoyse na analabei opoiadhpote praktikh prwtoboylia se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Antiqetws, h ellhnikh kybernhsh anelabe prwtoboylies kai ejasfalise th symfwnia allwn xwrwn poy dexontan thn ekei egkatastash toy Ampntoylax Otsalan.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean diaceydete tis plhrofories poy akoygontai sta radiothleoptika mesa, polla akoygontai aytes tis wres, oti mesa sto aytokinhto sto opoio epebaine o k. Otsalan htan kai paragontas ths ellhnikhs presbeias.

REPPAS: Eipame oti oi ellhnikes arxes htan en gnwsei twn syzhthsewn poy ekane o k. Otsalan me tis arxes ths Kenyas. Eixan endiaferon na parakoloyqhsoyn to pws ejelixqhke ayth h epixeirhsh. Apo ena shmeio kai meta -kai den eimai se qesh ayth thn wra na mpw se leptomereies san na analyw kapoio astynomiko deltio -xasame th dynatothta epafhs- ara th dynatothta na exoyme plhrofories gia to pws ejelixqhkan oi kinhseis toy Amntoylax Otsalan.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete, apeyqynomenos sthn politikh sas eyaisqhsia kai oxi sto astynomiko sas daimonio, na rwthsw ean o Ellhnas presbhs htan sto aytokinhto sto opoio briskotan kai o k. Otsalan otan aytos aphxqh.

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw me nai h oxi se tetoioy eidoys erwthseis, giati den gnwrizw to synolo twn texnikwn leptomereiwn. Ayto to opoio gnwrizw to kateqesa. Pisteyw oti ola osa eipa apoteloyn mia desmh plhroforiwn poy einai arketes, prokeimenoy na ejaxqoyn ta politika symperasmata. H politikh eyaisqhsia moy me odhgei sto na yperaspizomai ta symferonta ths xwras moy. Pisteyw oti thn exete ki eseis, oxi ws dhmosiografoi, alla ws polites, ws atoma panw apo ola kai sas kalw ki esas, opws to kanete mexri twra, na synexisete na yperaspizeste ta symferonta ths xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ena teleytaio erwthma parakalw. Apo xqes stis pente h wra to prwi, 400 anqrwpoi, den jerw akribws ton ariqmo, exoyn ypoblhqei sto martyrio ths peinas, ths dicas, periferontai san arkoydes apo arkoydiarhdes, apo xwrion eis xwrion. Ayth einai stash h opoia synista h brisketai se antistoixia me tis anqrwpistikes ajies gia tis opoies milame edw kai miamish wra;

REPPAS: Oi anqrwpistikes ajies apo tis opoies emforoymeqa mas odhghsan kai pisteyw oti symfwneite se ayto sto na analaboyme prwtoboylia gia th metegkatastash ths omadas twn Koyrdwn apo thn Plateia Koymoyndoyroy se allon ajioprepestero xwro. Epixeirhqhke se ena prwto stadio h egkatastash toys se xwro poy eixe katallhlws diamorfwqei. Gnwrizete poies antidraseis proklhqhkan, giati synhqizetai sthn Ellada na zoyme se dyo epipeda. Na miloyme se ena epipedo enantion toy ratsismoy kai ths jenofobias, alla na prattoyme se ena allo epipedo yper toy eaytoy mas kai monon. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, loipon, epeleje se deytero stadio enan allo xwro, o opoios den einai apolytws katallhlos, alla bebaiws einai poly-poly kalyteros apo ayton poy eixan sth diaqesh toys sthn Plateia Koymoyndoyroy oi Koyrdoi edw kai arketo kairo. Den exoyn meinei asitoi kai apotoi. Yparxei trofodosia kai prepei na ekfrasoyme ta sygxarhthria mas stis dynameis ekeines twn Enoplwn Dynamewn poy antapokriqhkan kai proseferan tis yphresies toys kai ginetai to kalytero dynaton, prokeimenoy kai gi` ayto to qema na doqei oristikh lysh. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti den yparxei eykolh symfwnia se tetoia qemata ta opoia odhgoyn polloys apo emas se jebolema. Para to oti anagnwrizw kai katanow plhrws mia pleyra twn antidrasewn, ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme einai me sobarothta na antimetwpizoyme kai na lynoyme problhmata kai na mh syzhtoyme monon epi qewrhtikhs basews gia diafora qemata, me apotelesma ta problhmata na menoyn alyta ki emeis na krinoyme o enas ton allon monon kai monon gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn se mia maxh poy den odhgei poyqena h odhgei, se teleytaia analysh, se baros ths Elladas.

PARIS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ek twn ysterwn, ayta ta opoia exoyn ginei mexri twra. Mas legate oti to qema ayto den prepei na ginei meros twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Mas legate oti o Otsalan den hrqe sthn Ellada kai den exei kamia sxesh. Meta apo ola ayta pisteyei h kybernhsh oti h epilogh ths qa bohqhsei stis sxeseis ths me thn Toyrkia h qa ferei to antiqeto apotelesma;

REPPAS: H Ellada kathgoreitai apo kapoioys oti ekane perissotera yper toy Ampntoylax Otsalan kai twn Koyrdwn, me apotelesma na diakybeysei tis sxeseis sthn perioxh opoy, allwste, einai eyqraystes oi isorropies. Apo mia allh skopia askeitai mia allh kritikh: oti h Ellada ekane elaxista h tipota, prokeimenoy na prosferei se ayth thn prospaqeia enos laoy poy agwnizetai gia thn anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn toy. Oyte to ena einai alhqino, oyte to allo. Ayto to opoio eystaqei einai oti h Ellada den ekane tipota parapanw kai tipota parakatw. Ekane mono ekeino to opoio phgazei apo tis arxes ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas. Thrhsame toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai se ayth thn periptwsh kai taytoxrona ejantlwntas ta oria ths anqrwpistikhs symperiforas poy prepei na epideiknyoyme se aytes tis periptwseis prosferame, pragmati, aytes tis bohqeies, pisteyontas oti ayto -poy einai mia pleyra toy zhthmatos- den mporei na odhghsei se anatroph ths politikhs mas, pragma to opoio eixame katasthsei safes. Giati, bebaiws, endiaferomaste gia thn anagnwrish twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn se olo ton kosmo kai oson afora toys Koyrdoys. Panw apo ola omws agwnizomaste gia thn yperaspish twn symferontwn ths xwras. Kai qa prepei, katw apo ayto to prisma, na antimetwpizoyme ola ta qemata. Ayto einai poy kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

Eyxaristw poly.


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