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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-18

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin apo th shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias, o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse tis paraithseis twn Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn k. Papadopoyloy, Ejwterikwn k. Pagkaloy kai Dhmosias Tajhs k. Petsalnikoy, oi opoies kai ypoblhqhkan.

Sth synexeia o Prwqypoyrgos, kata th diarkeia ths syntomhs synedriashs twn dyo organwn, eyxaristhse toys treis ypoyrgoys gia to ergo poy proseferan kai anaferqhke sthn polyxronh qetikh symbolh toys sto ergo toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs.

Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos edwse entolh na anazhthqoyn oi eyqynes olwn ekeinwn, oi opoioi, pera apo kaqe aisqhsh ths pragmatikothtas kai ejw apo kaqe orio eqnikhs eyqynhs, me paranomes prwtoboylies kai prajeis, odhghsan sth dhmioyrgia aytoy toy problhmatos.

Qelw na prosqesw oti ayth thn wra o Ampntoylax Otsalan einai kratoymenos sthn Toyrkia. Oi synqhkes krathshs toy, kaqws kai oi apaitoymenes eggyhseis gia th zwh toy apoteloyn qema prwths shmasias. H Dieqnhs Koinothta kai eidikotera h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na diasfalisoyn kai sthn periptwsh ayth thn efarmogh twn arxwn kai twn kanonwn toy Dikaioy. Ayto, allwste, apaitoyn oi arxes toy anqrwpismoy. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh den mporei na meinei parathrhths. Prepei na einai o eggyhths gia th dikaih antimetwpish toy Ampntoylax Otsalan.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Meta thn paraithsh twn kyriwn Pagkaloy, Papadopoyloy kai Petsalnikoy, poies qa einai oi epomenes kinhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Dhladh, poioi toys antikaqistoyn h ean ginontai eyryteres allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma;

REPPAS: Oi prwtoboylies anhkoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras. Otan o Prwqypoyrgos, syntomotata, labei tis apofaseis toy qa anakoinwqoyn kai se esas.

MIXAHL: Shmera qa tis labei tis apofaseis;

REPPAS: Eipa, syntomotata.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti o k. Shmiths edwse entolh na anazhthqoyn oi eyqynes. Ti eidoys eyqynes kai se poioys;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola den gnwrizoyme poioi einai aytoi poy exoyn eyqynes kai poies eyqynes exoyn. Prepei na ginei ayth h ereyna poy akomh den exei jekinhsei. Einai bebaion oti yparxoyn polites oi opoioi me tis prajeis toys synebalan sth dhmioyrgia aytoy toy problhmatos. H dhlwsh sthn opoia exw probei einai politikh dhlwsh, alla bebaiws oi eyqynes poy exoyn polites gia th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy problhmatos prepei na anazhthqoyn kai qa anazhthqoyn apo ta armodia organa.

MIXAHL: Epeidh ta gegonota ligo-poly ta parakoloyqhsame oloi einai safh orismena pragmata: Oti o Ampntoylax Otsalan mphke sthn Ellada stis 29 Ianoyarioy me kapoia sygkekrimena proswpa synodeyomenos. Kai sto aerodromio ton ypodexqhkan. Prokeitai gia ton k. Najakh, prokeitai gia to boyleyth toy PASOK k. Mpantoyba, prokeitai gia ton ypallhlo ths YPA, oi opoioi epetrecan na prosgeiwqei to aeroplano, prokeitai gi` aytoys poy dexqhkan to diabathrio. Gia oloys aytoys qa ginei ereyna;

REPPAS: H ereyna afora oloys ekeinoys poy exoyn amesh h emmesh emplokh sth dhmioyrgia aytoy toy problhmatos. Giati, einai bebaio oti exoyn ginei paranomes prajeis kai energeies. Exoyme eisodo sth xwra proswpwn ta opoia den eixan to eleyqero na episkefqoyn th xwra. Exoyme paraplanhsh Yphresiwn kai exoyme ameleia Yphresiwn, oson afora thn askhsh toy kaqhkontos toys. Ola ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ereynas, prokeimenoy na anazhthqoyn oi eyqynes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis rixnete twra eyqynes stoys polites. Tote, efoson ftaine oi polites giati na fygoyn o k. Pagkalos, o k. Papadopoylos kai o k. Petsalnikos, opws lete eseis edw.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete me aformh thn erwthsh sas na kanw ena sxolio: Ayth h kybernhsh, ayth h paratajh exoyn symparastaqei ston agwna toy koyrdikoy laoy. Proseferan bohqeia kai prostasia ston Ampntoylax Otsalan. Dystyxws, exei dhmioyrghqei mia streblh eikona, thn opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Se epipedo politikhs ejetashs twn pragmatwn o Prwqypoyrgos katelhje se ayth thn epilogh poy sas anakoinwsa. Apo ekei kai pera einai qema ereynas gia to poioi einai aytoi oi polites, oi opoioi exoyn eyqynh gia th dhmioyrgia toy problhmatos. Kai otan omilw gia polites, ayth thn wra, den mporw oyte na onomazw, oyte na topoqethsw se kathgories toys polites ayths ths xwras. Na anaferw, dhladh, idiothtes poy exoyn h to rolo ton opoio diadramatizoyn. Ola ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ths ereynas, h opoia qa ginei me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti oi polites exoyn eyqynh, oi ypoyrgoi exoyn eyqynh, o Prwqypoyrgos den exei eyqynh;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ta antimetwpise h kybernhsh, h opoia anakoinwse tis apofaseis ths. Etsi, pisteyoyme oti h kybernhsh kanei to xreos ths apenanti sthn katastash poy dhmioyrghqhke. Exei dhmioyrghqei mia eikona h opoia asfalws den einai eyxaristh, asfalws den mas ikanopoiei. Prepei h kybernhsh na synexisei to ergo ths. Qewrhqhke oti ayth h epilogh symballei sth dhmioyrgia twn katallhlwn proypoqesewn, wste na synexisoyme, thn epomenh periodo, to ergo mas me epityxia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epanalambanw, o Prwqypoyrgos den exei eyqynes; Den analambanei tis eyqynes toy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. O Prwqypoyrgos den exei opoiadhpote eyqynh, giati den exei opoiadhpote anameijh. Den xeiristhke o Prwqypoyrgos kapoia sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws se oles tis periptwseis, asfalws enhmerwnetai, alla h kybernhsh exei stelexh ta opoia exoyn sygkekrimenoys roloys kai armodiothtes kai o kaqenas xeirizetai ta qemata toy dikoy toy tomea, ths dikhs toy armodiothtas. Ayto einai safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, oi polites paraplanhsan ton Prwqypoyrgo, den ton enhmerwsan kala oi polites;

REPPAS: Nomizw, oti h erwthsh poy kanete einai katwterh toy epipedoy sobarothtas poy prepei na epideijoyme, ayth thn wra, kaqws syzhtoyme ena poly krisimo kai sobaro qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan metaferete tis eyqynes stoys polites, gia prwth fora to lete ayto...

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti h kybernhsh me thn epilogh thn opoia ekane anagnwrizei oti yparxoyn aytes oi eyqynes. Apo ekei kai pera oi eyqynes oi opoies analogoyn se atoma, se polites poy eneplakhsan me ton ena h ton allo tropo sth dhmioyrgia aytoy problhmatos, qa anazhthqoyn prokeimenoy na apodoqoyn.

DHMAKAS: Qa hqela mia ejhghsh giati ligo-poly eipate oti ftaiei h eikona gi ayto "timwroyntai" oi Ypoyrgoi. Poio einai to skeptiko poy zhthse tis paraithseis twn Ypoyrgwn; Qa hqela ligo pio safh thn ejhghsh, giati perasate mesa apo polloys daidaloys kai ftasate sth streblh eikona poy kai gi ayto....

REPPAS: Milhsa gia mia pragmatikothta. Apo kei kai pera, profanws, fainetai pws exoyn ginei laqh h paralhceis sthn ejelijh olhs ayths ths ypoqeshs. O Prwqypoyrgos ekrine pws eprepe, di` aytoy toy tropoy, na antimetwpisei to qema ayth thn wra kai na analabei sxetikes prwtoboylies, oi opoies qa synexistoyn kai parakalw na tis anamenete.

DHMAKAS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. A. Papadopoylos arnhqhke tis eyqynes, meta to meshmeri ths Kyriakhs, dioti, opws feretai na exei pei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ekane alles eishghseis gia to xeirismo toy qematos;

REPPAS: Kata th syntomh synedriash twn dyo organwn, ektos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, milhsan mono oi treis proanaferqentes Ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi pareqesan ta gegonota. O Prwqypoyrgos toys eyxaristhse gia th symbolh toys sthn prospaqeia na antimetwpisei h Kybernhsh ena para poly dyskolo problhma, gia to opoio den exei eyqynh h kybernhsh. Proekyce kai breqhke antimetwph me ayto h kybernhsh, ara eprepe na to xeiristei. Oi treis Ypoyrgoi exoyn, bebaiws, th dynatothta na milhsoyn kai dhmosiws, gi ayta ta gegonota. O logos ths kybernhshs gia ta tria ayta stelexh einai logos epainetikos. Me ayth thn ennoia prepei na einai safhs h topoqethsh ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oson afora toys treis mexri protinos Ypoyrgoys, ton k. Papadopoylo, ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Petsalniko.

DHMAKAS: Fobamai oti den katalabate thn erwthsh. Yphrje...

REPPAS: Apolytws katalaba thn erwthsh, eseis den katalabate thn apanthsh.

DHMAKAS: Yphrje diaforetikh eishghsh; Toys kaleite na milhsoyn -to katalaba- dhmosia, eseis qelete na milhsoyn;.

REPPAS: Einai dikaiwma toys, asfalws, na milhsoyn.

DHMAKAS: Yphrje diaforetikh eishghsh, yphrje, dhladh, mia sygkroysh twn dyo ypoyrgwn, Papadopoyloy-Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Den yphrje opoiadhpote sygkroysh. Sas eipa oti elaban to logo kai pareqesan ta gegonota. Den ekdhlwqhke opoiasdhpote morfhs sygkroysh h antiparaqesh.

DHMAKAS: Den ennow sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Sygkroysh sto xeirismo ths ypoqeshs thn Kyriakh to meshmeri kai meta.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti o kaqe ypoyrgos pareqese ta gegonota, etsi opws aytos ta gnwrize h sto epipedo sto opoio ekeinos symmeteixe me xeirismoys poy eginan sto plaisio ayths ths ypoqeshs.

ZAXAREA: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an o Prwqypoyrgos qa meinei stis allages aytwn twn triwn ypoyrgwn h qa proxwrhsei se sarwtiko anasxhmatismo kai deyteron, an skeftetai na diagracei boyleytes toy PASOK poy eixan energh anameijh sthn ypoqesh kai to rwtw ayto giati orismenoi boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos, sxetika me thn ypoqesh, mas elegan sth Boylh oti qa tajideysoyn gia to Nairompi, mhpws mporesoyn me thn paroysia toys ekei na swsoyn toys synergates toy Otsalan.

REPPAS: Oi prwtoboylies anhkoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo. Den einai dynaton, ayth thn wra, prin ekdhlwqoyn aytes oi prwtoboylies na proboyme se eikasies, oxi mono giati den exw tetoia ejoysiodothsh, alla aploystata giati oydeis gnwrizei poies qa einai aytes oi prwtoboylies sto synolo toys.

KWSTANTHS: Prwton, giati perimene treis hmeres o Prwqypoyrgos gia na zhthsei tis paraithseis twn triwn ypoyrgwn afoy eixan entopistei se aytoys oi eyqynes; Kai deyteron, epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh exei epainetika logia gia toys treis, yparxei endexomeno na topoqethqoyn se kapoia alla ypoyrgeia h qa apoxwrhsoyn apo to kybernhtiko sxhma;

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, exoyme, hdh, apanthsei poies htan oi synqhkes ths ygeias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Shmera katesth dynato na synedriasoyn ta organa, shmera anakoinwqhke ayth h epilogh. Oson afora, twra, ta qemata poy aforoyn th synqesh ths kybernhshs, epanalambanw prohgoymenh apanthsh poy edwsa se sxetiko erwthma. Na anamenete tis apofaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela mia safh apanthsh sto ejhs erwthma moy: O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrize thn paroysia Otsalan ston ellhniko xwro sthn Kenya; To emaqe afoy eginan oi energeies thn Kyriakh; Edwse th sygkataqesh toy; Htan synapofash me ypoyrgoys toy; Qa hqela mia safh apanthsh. Kai deyteron, Ean apo tis ryqmiseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, tis apofaseis toy dhladh, ejaireitai to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn;

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema poy qesate eimai kathgorhmatikos: Den antimetwpizei tetoio endexomeno h kybernhsh. Den yfistatai tetoio qema. Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, prepei na pw kai pali oti den einai h katallhlh stigmh na anaferqoyme sthn ejelijh twn gegonotwn. Polla exoyn eipwqei. Oi plhrofories, oi opoies exoyn diakinhqei einai toso polles, wste exei dhmioyrghqei ena nefos sygxyshs. Parakalw ayth thn wra poy exoyme mia sygkekrimenh apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy na meinoyme se ayth. Ola ta alla qemata, ta opoia qa apotelesoyn kai antikeimeno ereynas twn armodiwn organwn kai yphresiwn, qa mas epitrecoyn syntoma -pisteyw kai elpizw- na gnwrizoyme thn plhrh alhqeia. Giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh epiqymei na xyqei apleto fws se olh ayth thn ypoqesh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Efoson epikratei sygxysh kai den yparxoyn tekmhriwmena dedomena, pws o Prwqypoyrgos zhta eyqynes apo toys ypoyrgoys toy, endexomenws, kai zhta tis paraithseis toys kai o idios den dhlwnei ean gnwrize h den gnwrize thn paroysia Otsalan ekei kai an eixe synainesei gia na breqei o Otsalan sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: Oi apanthseis poy exw dwsei einai poly safeis. Ta qemata poy aforoyn thn ekei paramonh toy k. Otsalan, exoyn apanthqei tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Asfalws, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe enhmerwsh apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys gia ta qemata ta opoia xeirizontan. Prepei na pw oti se epipedo politikhs egine shmera ayth h syzhthsh kai elhfqh ayth h apofash apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ta qemata toy katamerismoy twn eyqynwn qa antimetwpistoyn, oson afora paranomes prajeis oi opoies exoyn ginei, apo tis armodies yphresies.

MOSXOBAS: Ti mesolabhse apo th grapth anakoinwsh poy ejedwse o Prwqypoyrgos, opoy kalypte plhrws ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, legontas oti eginan oi aparaithtes kinhseis, mexri ths shmerinhs apofasews; Giati shmera apofasise na toys apopemcei;

REPPAS: Qelete ki eseis na rwthsete ep` aytoy ka Pappa;

PAPPA: Malista. Kai ti mesolabhse apo xqes mexri shmera, poy eseis dhlwsate apo ayto to bhma oti den syntrexei logos paraithshs toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Xqes o k. Pagkalos htan ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, shmera, me thn apofash poy elabe o Prwqypoyrgos, den einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Qa askei proswrina akomh ta kaqhkonta toy. To oti h apofash ayth anakoinwqhke shmera apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, mesw emoy, antilambaneste pws epebale sto na meinoyme xqes se ayth thn apanthsh, se ayth th qesh thn opoia ejefrasa. Den htan dynato, na anakoinwsw egw, xqes, kati poy den yphrxe. Mia apofash, dhladh, thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos shmera dinei sth dhmosiothta.

MOSXOBAS: Sto prwto erwthma den apanthsate.

REPPAS: Apanthsa apolytws. O Prwqypoyrgos oles aytes tis wres poy mesolabhsan, para tis dyskoles synqhkes oson afora thn ygeia toy, plhroforhqhke stoixeia, melethse to qema kai katelhje shmera se ayth thn epilogh thn opoia anakoinwsame.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, h prwth anakoinwsh htan prowrh, an mh ti allo.

REPPAS: H prwth anakoinwsh dinei to politiko plaisio ths politikhs poy akoloyqhsame s` ayto to qema. Kai to politiko plaisio ths politikhs mas einai apolytws orqo, einai to mono plaisio politikhs to opoio antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths xwras kai einai eynoiko kai gia ton agwna toy koyrdikoy laoy. Paramenoyme s` ayth thn politikh thn opoia qa synexisoyme na askoyme. H anafora, loipon, sthn politikh ths kybernhshs, oson afora to sygkekrimeno zhthma, htan ayth h opoia egine me ekeinh th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H anafora s` ayth thn politikh, oson afora to koyrdiko zhthma, qa ginetai pantote apo emas, giati h politikh ayth paramenei idia.

KIAOS: Pws aisqaneste eseis, ws politikos kai ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, otan xqes, apo to idio bhma, mas legate, o k. Pagkalos einai kai qa einai ypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Aisqanomai para poly kala, giati kaqe fora ayto to opoio lew ekfrazei th qesh ths kybernhshs, ekfrazei thn pragmatikothta. Otan miloyme, miloyme gi` ayto to opoio ekeinh th stigmh einai dedomeno, einai h pragmatikothta. Kai epeidh prepei na miloyme th glwssa ths alhqeias, den htan dynato se sxetikh erwthsh na apanthsw otidhpote allo.

KIAOS: Den htan erwthsh, monos sas to eipate.

REPPAS: Wraia, einai mia parathrhsh h opoia ginetai dekth, alla pisteyw -kai prepei na eiste kai eseis eilikrinhs kai parakalw na ekdhlwsete, twra, amesws thn eilikrineia sas- oti qa qetate tetoio erwthma, xqes, sto plaisio ths syzhthshs mas kai qa me kaloysate na apanthsw. Einai etsi;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Bebaiws.

REPPAS: Giati, loipon, sxoliazetai oti xwris na qesete erwthma, ekana ayto to sxolio. Afoy to qesate ayto to erwthma. Parakalw, loipon, na meinoyme sthn politikh oysia twn qematwn, na mhn pame sto epipedo twn entypwsewn. Giati, s` ayth thn periptwsh, gia to qema poy syzhtoyme, ayto einai toylaxiston antideontologiko.

KIAOS: Mporoyme na poyme oti, plhn twn triwn ypoyrgwn, anamenontai kai alles paraithseis; Dioti, symfwna me ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, ayto poy lete ekfrazei thn politikh ths kybernhshs ayth th stigmh. Alloi ypoyrgoi, anamenetai na paraithqoyn h na toys zhthqei paraithsh;

DHMAKAS: Na symplhrwsw; Epishs, mhpws anamenetai na paraithqoyn alloi kratikoi paragontes poy exoyn emplakei s` ayth thn istoria se ychlo epipedo kai me politikh eyqynh;

REPPAS: Oson afora ta qemata ths synqeshs ths kybernhshs den yparxei otidhpote allo, peran aytoy poy anakoinwqhke. Oson afora tis eyqynes kratikwn paragontwn, qa anazhthqoyn sto plaisio ths ereynas poy qa ginei gia thn apodosh twn eyqynwn aytwn.

KIAOS: Otan feygoyn me ton tropo poy efygan treis ypoyrgoi, den antanaklaei to gegonos ayto se olh thn kybernhsh; Den yparxei politiko qema gia thn kybernhsh oloklhrh;

REPPAS: Yparxei problhma, to opoio antimetwpise h kybernhsh. To politiko qema h kybernhsh to xeirizetai me aisqhma eyqynhs, epeidh akribws prepei na ejasfalisei thn politikh staqerothta s` ayto ton topo kai na odhghsei thn Ellada kai ton ellhniko lao stoys stoxoys poy exei qesei, enocei toy epomenoy aiwna. H kybernhsh pisteyei pws antimetwpise me aisqhma eyqynhs to qema ayto.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrize oti htan edw kapoies hmeres o Otsalan;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnotan apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys se ola ta stadia ayths ths ypoqeshs.

FILHS: Eipate oti qa yparjei ereyna k. l. p. Mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos epanektima th stash ths kybernhshs kai dexetai, twra, na yparjei Ejetastikh Epitroph, wste na yparjei pragmati apleto fws sthn ypoqesh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, proxqes, se sxetikh erwthsh. Eipa oti den antimetwpizoyme tetoio endexomeno. Oson afora qemata prwtoboyliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, parakalw, na anamenete tis prwtoboylies toy. Na mhn proboyme, twra, prokatalambanontas ejelijeis, se ypoqeseis kai ektimhseis, oi opoies en pollois mporei na apodeixqoyn abasimes.

FILHS: Xqes, eipate alla, proxqes alla, shmera einai allh h pragmatikothta.

REPPAS: Kaqe mera einai mia allh mera. Oi ejelijeis trexoyn.

FILHS: Shmera, prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn. O eisaggeleas qa tis diereynhsei kai o armodios gia thn EDE ths KYP h yparxei kai qema Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs;

REPPAS: Oi eyqynes aytes, pisteyoyme, sto plaisio ths kybernhshs, ejetasthkan kai antimetwpisthke to qema to opoio proekyce, me thn apofash poy sas anakoinwsa kai sas einai, hdh, gnwsth.

FILHS: O toyrkikos Typos, alla kai o eyrwpaikos Typos apodidoyn sthn Ellada mia poly baria kathgoria, momfh poy dystyxws, omws, epibebaiwnetai apo synenteyjeis armodiwn Ellhnwn kratikwn leitoyrgoyn, oti h Ellada synergasthke sthn paradosh toy Otsalan, me thn Toyrkia. Eyqews, ep` aytoy, ti apantaei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti tetoioy eidoys isxyrismoi kai yponooymena den einai tipote allo, para istorikes aqliothtes. H Ellada einai ekeinh h opoia, monh ayth, prosefere bohqeia kai prostasia ston Ampntoylax Otsalan kai toys synergates toy. Dystyxws, h ejelijh twn pragmatwn einai tragikh. H Ellada den eyqynetai gia thn ejelijh ayth, giati apo ena shmeio kai meta, oyte thn eyqynh twn xeirismwn eixe, oyte gnwrizei pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata. Prepei na eimaste kathgorhmatikoi s` ayto. Lypoymaste para poly. Kai kataggelloyme oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi prospaqoyn amesws h emmesws na sysxetisoyn thn Ellada me to teleytaio ayto stadio ths olhs epixeirhshs, to stadio ekeino, dhladh, kata to opoio o Ampntoylax Otsalan odhghqhke sthn Toyrkia.

FILHS: Shmera, sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph yphrje apanthsh sto krisimo erwthma, giati steilame ton Otsalan sto Nairompi;

REPPAS: Exei dwsei apanthseis s` ayto o k. Pagkalos. Kai sth shmerinh synenteyjh toy, allwste, apanta se sxetiko erwthma. Exei milhsei gia to qema ayto me leptomereies.

FILHS: Tote giati feygei;

REPPAS: Den htan mono ayto to qema. Ayto einai mono ena shmeio epi toy synoloy twn qematwn, ta opoia xarakthrisan ayth thn ypoqesh.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na janagyrisw ligo sto qema twn paraithsewn: Yphrjan eishghseis allwn ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs pros ton Prwqypoyrgo na zhthsei tis paraithseis twn sygkekrimenwn ypoyrgwn;

REPPAS: H apofash ayth einai apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn opoia elabe, afoy ejetase kai staqmise ta gegonota.

MOYRTZHS: S` ayto to qema: Kykloforoysan apo xqes sta dhmosiografika grafeia fhmes kai eikasies oti ypoyrgoi kai sygkekrimena o k. Laliwths, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, h ka Basw Papandreoy kai o G. Papandreoy apaithsan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na apopemcei toys ypoyrgoys poy emplekontai sthn ypoqesh, diaforetika na mh qewrei dedomenh th qesh toys sthn kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Den mporw na epibebaiwsw aytes tis plhrofories, doqentos oti mporei sto plaisio toy dikoy sas reportaz na exoyn prokycei kapoia stoixeia ta opoia den mporw na amfisbhthsw, den dikaioymai na amfisbhthsw. Mporw, omws, na pw kathgorhmatika oti h apofash ayth einai apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy elhfqh apo ton idio meta apo th staqmish twn gegonotwn.

KYRIAKIDOY: Mporei na mas dwsete kapoia endeijh gia to xrono poy qa xreiastei o Prwqypoyrgos na apofasisei kai na anakoinwsei tis allages aytes; Qa einai entos ths hmeras; Ayrio isws; Thn erxomenh ebdomada;

REPPAS: Pio xarakthristikh endeijh apo th lejh poy xrhsimopoihsa "syntomotata", den nomizw oti mporw na dwsw.

GARGALAKOS: Exw thn aisqhsh, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti afoy to plaisio ths politikhs htan gnwsto, eite qysiazete twra aytoys toys treis ypoyrgoys gia na ektonwqei h politikh atmosfaira, eite toys katalogizete kapoies sygkekrimenes laqemenes kinhseis, eite se epipedo politikhs, eite se epipedo xeirismwn. Diaforetika, ti allo mporei na symbainei;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws yparxei mia apostash anamesa sto plaisio ths politikhs kai thn ejeidikeysh kai thn efarmogh ths politikhs. Den yparxei opoiadhpote qysia ypoyrgwn h stelexwn. Prepei na pw, me thn eykairia ayth, oti ta tria ayta stelexh, ta poly shmantika kai koryfaia stelexh ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras, synodeyontai apo thn agaph kai thn ektimhsh olwn mas.

GYPARH: Prin apo ligo eipate oti edwse entolh o Prwqypoyrgos na zhthqoyn eyqynes apo toys polites poy edrasan ejw apo kaqe aisqhsh pragmatikothtas. Meta apo ligo, omws, eipate oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai h monadikh kybernhsh poy prosfere prostasia ston Otsalan. Dhladh anafereste sthn periodo poy oi polites ekryban ton Otsalan; Ayto einai antifash.

REPPAS: Anaferomai sthn periodo, apo to xroniko ekeino shmeio kai meta, poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh eprepe na antimetwpisei ena problhma poy alloi dhmioyrghsan. Ekeinh thn wra h ellhnikh kybernhsh edrase me tetoio tropo, wste na prosferei, gia anqrwpistikoys logoys, bohqeia kai prostasia ston Ampntoylax Otsalan, pragma to opoio den ekane kaneis allos mexri twra.

GYPARH: Ypociazomai oti h kybernhsh blepei ta binteo poy deixnei h toyrkikh thleorash kai blepei se ti katastash brisketai o Koyrdos hgeths. Protiqeste na analabete kapoies prwtoboylies gia na kalytereysoyn oi synqhkes krathshs h na ginei kati;

REPPAS: Exoyme dhlwsei oti, opws sto parelqon, twra akoma pio entona, qa qesoyme to qema ayto sta dieqnh fora. Sto epikeimeno Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E. E. h Ellada qa qesei to qema ths dikaihs antimetwpishs toy A. Otsalan apo tis arxes ths Toyrkias. Milhsa sthn arxh allwste, anaferomenos se ayto kai eipa oti einai prwths shmasias qema pleon, oi synqhkes krathshs toy A. Otsalan kai o tropos me ton opoio qa antimetwpistei apo dw kai pera.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den exw katalabei to ejhs: Ean protiqetai h kybernhsh na dwsei entolh sth Dikaiosynh na asxolhqei me ta trita proswpa, ta opoia anaferate. Pws qa ginei; Dioti, toses hmeres blepoyme ta proswpa ayta (sta opoia anafereste) na kanoyn dhlwseis sthn thleorash, den eidame na kinhqei oyte kamia eisaggelikh arxh, oyte kanenas allos enantion toys gia na kanei ereyna. Qa yparjei entolh ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh einai politiko organo, lambanei politikes apofaseis kai stelnei politika mhnymata. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn armodia organa se mia syntetagmenh Politeia, opws einai h dikh mas, ta opoia analogws ths armodiothtas toys qa epilhfqoyn twn sxetikwn qematwn.

MPOYATAR: Pros to paron, ap` oti fainetai, ap` oti blepoyme apo tis synqhkes krathshs toy Otsalan, pws tis krinete; Anaferomai stis eikones poy blepoyme apo thn thleorash.

REPPAS: Den prepei na protrejoyme kai na bgaloyme ena synoliko symperasma mesw twn eikonwn enos binteo, giati opws antilambaneste apodidoyn apospasmatika thn katastash sthn opoia brisketai shmera o Ampntoylax Otsalan. Par' ola ayta, pisteyoyme oti aytes oi eikones den synadoyn me th metaxeirish poy prepei na exei enas kratoymenos, kai malista me ayta ta idiaitera xarakthristika, se mia xwra h opoia filodojei na einai politika kai nomika prohgmenh xwra.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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