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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-03

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Sas enhmerwnw, arxikws, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis prosexeis hmeres.

* Ayth thn wra, synantatai me to kentriko symboylio ths Neolaias toy PASOK, parontwn toy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy Kinhmatos K. Skandalidh kai ths kas Antwnioy poy parakoloyqei ta qemata ths Organwshs ths Neolaias, ws melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy.

To apogeyma, stis 7.30, opws gnwrizete, qa diejaxqei sth Boylh h pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh gia to NATO, se epipedo arxhgwn. Qa epektaqei h syzhthsh se sxetika qemata sygkyrias.

* Ayrio, Trith, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa egkainiasei ta nea ktiria ths Yphresias Plhroforikhs, toy KEPYO opws to jeroyme, toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn.

To apogeyma qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Paroti einai kommatikh drasthriothta, thn anaferw gia thn plhrothta ths enhmerwshs sas. H syzhthsh qa afora th Synodo toy NATO, thn krish sto Kossyfopediotis epikeimenes Eyrwekloges kai thn proetoimasia toy Kinhmatos gi` aytes.

* Thn Tetarth to prwi, qa synanthqei me stelexh toy Kommatos kai ths Kybernhshs. Me ton k. Skandalidh, ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, ton k. Laliwth kai thn ka Papandreoy. H syzhthsh qa afora thn poreia pros tis Eyrwekloges.

Sth 1.30, meta to meshmeri, qa dexqei ton Dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas k. Karatza.

* Thn Pempth qa episkefqei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, opoy me thn paroysia perifereiarxwn qa proedreysei se eyrytath syskech gia qemata ths perifereiakhs apokentrwshs.

To apogeyma ths idias hmeras, stis 7 h wra, qa episkefqei thn Eleysina, opoy me toys ergazomenoys ths perioxhs qa syzhthsei qemata sxetika me thn politikh apasxolhshs poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh.

* Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio se olomeleia, me th symmetoxh dhladh kai twn Yfypoyrgwn. Qa syzhthqei h poreia ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs.

* To Sabbato to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei sth Qessalonikh. Thn Kyriakh qa episkefqei se synoriako shmeio, sthn Krystallophgh sygkekrimena, thn egkatastash enos tmhmatos toy Swmatos twn synoriakwn froyrwn, poy aytes tis hmeres analambanoyn kaqhkonta.

To apogeyma ths Kyriakhs qa ypodexqei sth Qessalonikh ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Portogalias Antonio Gkoytieres, o opoios qa episkefqei thn Ellada kai me ton opoio thn epomenh hmera qa pane sto Agion Oros. Einai mia olohmerh episkech stis Mones toy Agioy Oroys.

* Thn Trith to prwi, o k. Shmiths qa exei allh mia syzhthsh, sth Qessalonikh, me ton Portogalo omologo toy, me ton opoio allwste qa exei polles syzhthseis aytes tis hmeres gia diafora qemata. Meta th synanthsh toys oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi qa proboyn se dhlwseis.

To apogeyma, stis 6 h wra, qa dexqei sth Qessalonikh kai qa syzhthsei me ton Prwqypoyrgo twn Skopiwn k. Gkeorgkefski, o opoios exei zhthsei ayth th synanthsh kai to brady qa parakaqisei se deipno poy qa toy paraqesoyn paragwgikoi foreis ths polhs.

* O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna arga to brady ths Triths.

* Shmera, opws prwtoi eseis gnwrizete poly kala, giortazetai h Pagkosmia Hmera ths Eleyqerias toy Typoy. Ayth thn hmera idiaitera o noys mas strefetai stoys dhmosiografoys oi opoioi askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys sta pedia twn polemikwn epixeirhsewn h se kaqestwta aytarxika, ta opoia epiballoyn me systhmatiko tropo thn parempodish ths eleyqerias ths ekfrashs kai logokrisia. Exoyme oloi kaqhkon -o kaqenas kata to metro twn dynatothtwn kai twn armodiothtwn toy- na symbaloyme, wste h Hmera toy Typoy na einai mia hmera enhmerwshs toy polith kai na einai h kaqe hmera. Dioti, o enhmerwmenos poliths kai o egkyros Typos apoteloyn systatika stoixeia ths ygioys leitoyrgias toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos, pragma to opoio oloi exoyme ypoxrewsh kai kaqhkon na yposthrizoyme diarkws kai adialeiptws.

Ayta eisagwgikws apo emena. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th dolofonikh epiqesh toy NATO me toys 70 aqwoys amaxoys polites kai paidia sto Kosobo.

REPPAS: Einai se ejelijh enas polemos aimathros. Plhttontai aqwoi. Xanontai polles anqrwpines zwes. Ayto einai to apokroystiko proswpo toy polemoy. Ekfrazoyme th lyph mas, alla den periorizomaste s` ayto. Kanoyme prospaqeies -kai gnwrizete oti h Ellada einai apo tis liges xwres toy NATO kai ths E. E. poy prwtostatei se analoges prwtoboylies- wste na doqei probadisma se politikes energeies, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei lysh sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Pisteyoyme oti tetoioy eidoys symbanta kanoyn akomh pio epitaktikh thn anagkh, to syntomotero dynato, na ejeyreqei mia eirhnikh, diplwmatikh - politikh lysh sthn krish ayth.

SOYRMELH: Isxyei pia to empargko petrelaioy. H Ellada qa sebastei ayto to empargko kai apo pote arxizei gia thn Ellada;

REPPAS: To sxetiko metro apofasisthke thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh se epipedo Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn. H Ellada thrhse mia stash apoxhs. Den symfwnhse me thn epibolh aytoy toy metroy, alla bebaiws qa efarmosei thn apofash twn organwn ths E. E.

FILHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn apofash toy Milosebits na apeleyqerwsei toys treis Amerikanoys stratiwtes;

REPPAS: Htan mia poly qetikh energeia. Kai to lew ayto, giati enw exoyme thn apeleyqerwsh triwn aixmalwtwn, triwn anqrwpwn, polles fores ayto ginetai prospaqeia na entaxqei sto genikotero politiko skhniko kai na ermhneyqei ws mia kinhsh, h opoia einai eite eyfyhs, opws leei h mia pleyra, eite ypokritikh, opws mporei na diateinetai kapoios poy anhkei sthn allh pleyra. Egw den qelw na xarakthrisw ayth thn kinhsh ws kinhsh, h opoia exei mia shmasia h shmatodotei kati gia tis ejelijeis, oson afora eyrytata thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Qa krinw ayth kaqeayth thn prajh kai qa pw oti einai poly qetikh. Apeleyqerwqhkan treis stratiwtes. Gyrizoyn stis oikogeneies toys. Kai ayto einai poly shmantiko.

FILHS: Tis teleytaies hmeres diakekrimena stelexh adelfwn pros to PASOK kommatwn kai kybernhsewn ths Kentroaristeras, opws gia paradeigma o Oskar Lafontain, epikrinoyn anoikta pia thn istoria toy polemoy kai kaloyn tis kybernhseis toys na krathsoyn apostash apo tis dolofonikes energeies toy NATO. Yparxei kapoio sxolio sas gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Qymamai oti me aformh kai dikes sas erwthseis exoyme syzhthsei edw kai arketoys mhnes qemata poy aforoyn kai alloys tomeis, opws einai p. x. h apasxolhsh kai eixame anaferqei stis politikes proseggiseis jenwn politikwn gia ta qemata ekeina. Proseggiseis toy k. Zospen, toy k. Nt' Alema, toy k. Mpler. Eixa pei oti kaqe kybernhsh antimetwpizei ypo tis sygkekrimenes synqhkes, me sygkekrimena politika metra, ena problhma me ton tropo poy ekeinh qewrei oti prepei na to antimetwpisei. Qa pw to idio kai gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Oti o k. Lafontain den askei kybernhtika kaqhkonta. Einai polloi aytoi oi opoioi diatypwnoyn analoges apoceis, alla einai dedomeno kai to gnwrizoyn oloi, oti h politikh poy exoyn xarajei oi kybernhseis twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E., poy einai kai melh toy NATO, einai mia politikh h opoia tis briskei oles symfwnes sthn kentrikh kateyqynsh ayths ths politikhs. Bebaiws, o kaqenas thn askei me ton tropo kai thn ejeidikeyei etsi opws pisteyei oti prepei na to kanei, h alhqeia einai omws oti oi kybernhsei aytes exoyn symfwnhsei gia thn kentrikh kateyqynsh ths akoloyqhteas politikhs. Apo kei kai pera, pisteyw oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh h paragontes toy kybernwntos kommatos exoyn symbalei, wste ayth h protimhsh sthn anazhthsh politikhs lyshs gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio, qa kerdizei synexws edafos. Einai kati poy pisteyw oti exei prosferei sth dieqnh koinothta h Ellada, h kybernhsh ths, me thn atalanteyth emmonh mas se tetoioy eidoys prospaqeies. Taytoxrona, antapokrinomaste stis symbatikes ypoxrewseis poy exoyme ws melh twn megalwn organismwn stoys opoioys anhkoyme.

FILHS: To gegonos oti se epipedo eyrwpaiwn politwn parathreitai mia argh, alla staqerh metastrofh enantion toy polemoy, den einai ena stoixeio poy qa dieykolyne opoiadhpote analhch politikhs prwtoboylias ek meroys ths Elladas;

REPPAS: Den einai apla parhgoro, alla einai para poly qetiko to gegonos oi polites na einai enantion toy polemoy. Den gnwrizw na yparxoyn filopolemoi polites. Emeis exoyme taxqei enantion toy polemoy. Pisteyoyme oti kaneis den qelei ton polemo, epeidh toy aresei o polemos. Kapoioi qewroyn oti aytos einai o tropos na lyqoyn problhmata. Gnwrizete oti stis prwtes kiolas syzhthseis poy eixame kanei edw, metajy twn pollwn allwn, eixa pei oti o polemos den lynei problhmata, isa-isa dhmioyrgei perissotera. To qymaste ayto. To eixa pei sta prwta briefing poy eixame kanei. Ara, loipon, h Ellada exei safh qesh apenanti sthn antimetwpish ths sygkekrimenhs krishs. Kai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme ekfrazei ayth th qesh.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn ektimhsh poy diatypwnei se synenteyjh toy sta NEA, shmera, o k. Mhtsotakhs gia ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Shmith. Diapistwnei oti exei kapoia prosonta, oti exei kapoies adynamies sthn askhsh ths politikhs.

REPPAS: S` ayto ton topo chfizei to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy, oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Den chfizei monon o k. Mhtsotakhs. Bebaiws, einai sebasth h apoch toy gia ola ta qemata kai gia ta proswpa. Apo ekei kai pera, o Prwqypoyrgos, pisteyoyme emeis oti opws eixe thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy kai thn exei mexri to telos ayths ths periodoy, ths tetraetoys qhteias ths kybernhshs, etsi qa thn kerdisei kai pali, th nea periodo, prokeimenoy na synexisei kai na oloklhrwsei to ergo poy mas aneqese o ellhnikos laos, me th chfo toy, stis ekloges toy 1996.

KARAGIANNH: Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno apostolhs sto Beligradi eidikwn apestalmenwn, sto plaisio mias neas, en th genesei ths, prwtoboylias...;

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy exei analabei na kataqesei ena non paper stoys etairoys ths E. E. kai toy NATO kai ston OHE, ws apostagma twn syzhthsewn poy eixe, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, sth Mosxa. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se kat` idian, dimereis synanthseis, alla kai sto plaisio mias tetrameroys diaskechs, oi paragontes poy asxolhqhkan me to qema ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio, katelhjan se sygkekrimenes skeceis, tis opoies diatypwnoyn o kaqenas me th dikh toy apoxrwsh, alla, en pash periptwsei, sthn kateyqynsh anazhthshs politikhs lyshs sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. O k. Papandreoy anelabe thn eyqynh na syntajei ena non paper kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai mia ek twn triwn kybernhsewn, mazi me ayth ths Rwsias kai ths Elbetias, h opoia epidiwkei thn analhch prwtoboylias gia thn prowqhsh, twra, anqrwpistikhs bohqeias kai sthn ypoloiph Gioygkoslabia. Kai mesa, dhladh, sto tmhma ekeino ths Serbias poy einai ektos Kossyfopedioy, giati h synexish toy polemoy exei dhmioyrghsei plhges se anqrwpoys poy zoyn kai se ayto to tmhma ths Gioygkoslabias kai xreiazontai th bohqeia mas. Yparxei, mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy, epikoinwnia me tis arxes ths Gioygkoslabias, ayth thn wra. Den exoyme ypoch mas kapoia allh prwtoboylia, h opoia na ekkolaptetai h na einai se ejelijh, alla, bebaiws, yparxoyn skeceis gia thn epiteyjh kalyterhs epikoinwnias me th gioygkoslabikh pleyra. Oi telikes apofaseis qa lhfqoyn analoga me tis ejelijeis. Allwste, eimaste ej ekeinwn, oi opoioi, qa elega, tis kaqorizoyme h tis ephreazoyme se shmantiko baqmo. Ki ayto, pisteyw oti leei para polla.

PETOYRH: Me aformh dhmosieymata toy kyriakatikoy Typoy, qa hqela na sas rwthsw an yparxei epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys ypoyrgoys, se synexeia ths palaioterhs epikoinwnias toys gia thn ejelijh qematwn ths armodiothtas toys.

REPPAS: Pragmati, metajy twn allwn epistolwn, yparxei kai epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, sthn opoia anaferontai, kata periptwsh, oi proteraiothtes poy exoyn apofasistei edw kai arketo kairo, gia ta qemata armodiothtas enos ekastoy. Epeidh, akribws, exoyme desmeyqei se orato xroniko orizonta na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas, se sygkekrimenoys tomeis, basei twn metrwn poy exoyme ejaggeilei kai efarmozoyme, ginetai ayth h ypomnhsh, pragma to opoio qa bohqhsei kai toys ypoyrgoys na enteinoyn thn prospaqeia toys afenos kai afeteroy qa odhghsei, se mia epomenh synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy, sthn ektimhsh toy ergoy poy exei syntelestei, prokeimenoy na exoyme mia safh eikona gia th qetikh apostash, poy exoyme dianysei.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe steilei kai prin apo eji mhnes, pali, paromoies epistoles. Oi ypoyrgoi aytoys toys eji mhnes jexasan ta kaqhkonta toys, poy eixan analabei; Giati xreiasthke na janasteilei;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Gi` ayto, akribws, synexizoyn na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Paramenoyn ypoyrgoi, me armodiothtes tis opoies eixan kai tote. Ayto shmainei oti krinetai to ergo toys qetika, apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios toys orizei. Apo ekei kai pera, oi epistoles poy stelnei o Prwqypoyrgos einai pollwn eidwn. Einai epistoles, oi opoies katatassontai sto plaisio ekeino ths synexoys taktikhs synergasias poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys. Ta exoyme syzhthsei ayta ta qemata, kat` epanalhch. Akribws, h endeiktikh anafora twn qematwn poy exoyn proteraiothta, se kaqe tomea, gia kaqe ypoyrgo, einai poly shmantikh, giati dhmosiopoioymenh ayth, meta ta apotelesmata poy qa exoyn prokycei, dinei kai ena stigma kai ena shma sthn ellhnikh koinwnia gia ton prosanatolismo twn kybernhtikwn prwtoboyliwn. Kai ayto einai poly shmantiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, me toys ypoyrgoys toy, dia allhlografias epikoinwnei; Kaqe eji mhnes, stelnei epistoles...

REPPAS: Eiste poly eyfyhs, k. Stamatopoyle, afoy brhkate "pathma" gia na kanete ayth thn erwthsh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Toy apantaei kanenas;

REPPAS: Oxi kaqe eji mhnes, poly pio syxna, giati, blepete, o Prwqypoyrgos einai parwn. Epikoinwnei me toys ypoyrgoys toy, mesw epistolwn, thlefwnikws kai bebaiws, synantatai taktikotata mazi toys, etsi wste, apo thn arxh, otan sas ekanan entypwsh kapoies synanthseis poy eixe me ypoyrgoys, egw sas eipa oti ayto pleon den qa apotelei eidhsh. Kai eidate, pleon, oti den apotelei eidhsh. Exei ginei ena taktiko, ena syxno fainomeno, giati o Prwqypoyrgos exei ena plhres, kaqhmerino programma kai askei ta kaqhkonta toy, me tropo o opoios pisteyw oti einai apotelesmatikos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson synantatai kai koybentiazoyn ta qemata, toys stelnei meta kai epistolh; Den ta katalabainoyn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, ayto einai poy katalabate eseis. Fainetai oti eseis, ean hsastan ypoyrgos se kybernhsh toy k. Shmith, qa eixate odhghqei se paraithsh kai qa eixate enoxlhqei apo mia tetoia praktikh. Alla, an eixame fqasei se mia tetoia ekdoxh, pisteyw oti den qa eixate enoxlhqei, giati qa gnwrizate oti ta pragmata den einai etsi, opws eseis ta ermhneyete, ayth thn wra, diatypwnontas thn erwthsh sas. Tote den qa yphrxe problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gi` ayth thn ekqesh, gia thn tromokratia, poy leei oti h Ellada einai to yp` ariqmon ena kratos, sthn Eyrwph, se tromokratia;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den xrhsimopoieitai ayth h frash, h opoia, an xrhsimopoihqei, etsi opws thn perilambanete sthn erwthsh sas, antilambaneste oti odhgei se lanqasmena symperasmata. Ki ayto den prepei na ginetai. Eipa, milwntas tis prohgoymenes hmeres, oti oloi mas, kai eseis idiaiterws, qa prepei na symballete, wste na anadeiknyetai sto ejwteriko, ston kosmo, h pragmatikh eikona ths Elladas, giati syxna, dinontas megales diastaseis se memonwmena peristatika, adikoyme th xwra mas, dinontas mia eikona xwras, h opoia plhttetai apo thn egklhmatikothta, thn tromokratia h apo fainomena, ta opoia, se teleytaia analysh, qa elega, oti exoyn enan oriako xarakthra sth xwra mas. Kai en pash periptwsei -kanw ena sxolio- h Ellada, apo apoch epipedoy asfaleias kai dhmosias tajhs brisketai sto idio epipedo me alles xwres ths E. E., me alles xwres ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, oi opoies exoyn sygxronoys qesmoys, poy einai sygxrones kai prohgmenes xwres. Pisteyoyme oti kai mono to stoixeio ths synergasias twn armodiwn ellhnikwn yphresiwn me antistoixes armodies yphresies jenwn xwrwn gia thn patajh toy fainomenoy ths tromokratias, einai arketo gia na peisei toys pantes kai toys armodioys ths kybernhshs twn HPA, oti h prospaqeia poy kataballetai sthn Ellada, einai toso apotelesmatikh, oso apotelesmatikh thn kanoyn oloi aytoi poy ergazontai gia thn patajh ths tromokratias sth xwra mas. Kai ergazontai polloi, se synergasia, sto plaisio dieqnwn symfwniwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ayto to fainomeno. Den einai, loipon, swsto na qewreitai h Ellada ws mia nhsida opoy epikratoyn dysmeneis synqhkes ston tomea ayto. Isa-isa, qa elega oti sthn poly dyskolh ayth gewpolitikh qesh sthn opoia brisketai, apotelei mia oash asfaleias, dhmokratias kai tajhs. Kai brisketai se poly ychlo epipedo, toso ychlo oso kai alles xwres ths Eyrwphs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proxqes, hrqe edw o k. Mperns kai sas episkefqhke. Sas edwse apanthseis gia thn tajidiwtikh, thn anakoinwsh -thn onomazoyn etsi, twra thn odhgia- kai poso qa krathsei ayth h anakoinwsh, ti xroniko orio bazei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den einai tajidiwtikh odhgia. Lypoymai giati etsi thn onomazete. An thn onomazoyme emeis "tajidiwtikh odhgia", antilambaneste pws hdh exoyme telesei teleio egklhma kata toy eaytoy mas. Einai dynaton emeis na thn onomazoyme "tajidiwtikh odhgia", otan den einai tajidiwtikh odhgia. Deyteron, h idia, h dhmosia anakoinwsh anaferei oti lhgei stis 23 Ioynioy. Anaferetai mesa sto keimeno. An thn eixate diabasei, qa to blepate sthn teleytaia protash. Kai triton, den htan ayto to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs poy eixa me ton k. Mperns. O k. Mperns me episkefqhke gia qemata armodiothtas moy, opws einai h thrhsh kai o sebasmos twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, epeidh epikeitai h dhmosieysh ths ethsias ekqeshs ths armodias emporikhs yphresias twn HPA. Kai me enhmerwse oti h ekqesh ayth anagnwrizei th beltiwsh poy exoyme petyxei sthn Ellada, me thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia thn aposafhnish toy radiothleoptikoy topioy. Einai, dhladh, ikanopoihtikh se sxesh me to parelqon, gia thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme ston tomea ayto, ws kybernhsh.

ALEJAKH: Ep' aytoy: sas ejefrase o k. Mperns th dysareskeia toy gia ton tropo me ton opoio ta MME ths xwras mas xeirizontai to qema twn bombardismwn sth Gioygkoslabia h genikotera gia mia antiamerikanikh diaqesh poy yparxei sth xwra;

REPPAS: Den eqese tetoio qema. Allwste, den einai qema armodiothtas toy k. Mperns ayto, na krinei ta ellhnika MME. Ayto oson afora tis epishmes synanthseis.

ALEJAKH: Tis exei kanei dhmosia, gi' ayto sas lew.

REPPAS: Dhmosiws mporei na leei tis apoceis toy. H eleyqeria ths ekfrashs einai sebasth sthn Ellada. Apo kei kai pera, prepei na pw me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas -me safh pleon tropo mporw na pw twra, epeidh den to gnwriza otan erwthqhka thn prohgoymenh ebdomada gia prwth fora, alla twra eimai gnwsths toy qematos, afoy syzhthsa me to synadelfo ton k. Magkriwth- oti o k. Mperns oydepote eqese ston k. Magkriwth qema sxetiko me th leitoyrgia enos sygkekrimenoy thleoptikoy staqmoy ths Makedonias. Epeidh ayto egrafh kapoy kai eteqh erwthma edw, exw epikoinwnhsei en tw metajy me ton k. Magkriwth kai sas lew oti tetoio qema den eteqh pote apo ton k. Mperns.

ALEJAKH: Kai kati akomh: Sas exei enhmerwsei o k. Mperns gia to programma toy sth Qrakh, pote qa paei kai ti qa kanei ekei;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ta syzhtoyn oi diplwmatikoi antiproswpoi me tis armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy dinoyn kai th sxetikh egkrish gia thn kinhsh twn diplwmatwn entos ths epikrateias.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio syzhthqhkan kai qemata kai allwn kyrwsewn pros th Gioygkoslabia, sxetika me tis metakinhseis twn melwn ths oikogeneias Milosebits klp. h Ellada prokeitai na efarmosei aytes tis kyrwseis; Kai deyteron, an brisketai sthn Ellada kapoio melos ths oikogeneias toy k. Milosebits.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, den exoyme kanena stoixeio poy na epibebaiwnei kati tetoio. Oson afora to prwto qema, sthn Omada Ergasias syzhthqhkan alla metra sxetika me empargko h periorismoys poy prepei kata thn apoch kapoiwn na epiblhqoyn sth Gioygkoslabia. Ayto egine thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Emeis exoyme mia epifylaktikh ews arnhtikh stash. Ayto to qema qa syzhthqei kai pali sta armodia koinotika organa, gia na apofasistoyn oi telikes qeseis.

KARAGIANNH: Epeidh tis teleytaies hmeres yparxei mia seira dhmosieymatwn, mhpws h kybernhsh einai se qesh na prosdiorisei xronika kai na anakoinwsei to onoma toy Ellhna Epitropoy sthn KOMISSION;

REPPAS: Qa ginei thn katallhlh stigmh.

KARAGIANNH: Prin apo tis eyrwekloges;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos asxoleitai me to qema kai gnwrizete oti polla ta opoia grafontai, den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia, me thn ennoia oti oi phges oi opoies xrhsimopoioyntai, bebaiws, den mporei na sxetizontai me ton Prwqypoyrgo poy xeirizetai to qema ypeyqyna kai me ton tropo poy ekeinos epilegei. O Prwqypoyrgos den exei anoijei ta xartia toy. Ayto mporw na pw ayth th stigmh. Qa to kanei thn katallhlh stigmh.

KARAGIANNH: Mhpws einai pros anakoinwsh, kyrie Ypoyrge, kapoia krithria poy prepei na plhroyn oi ypochfioi;

REPPAS: Qa syzhthsei gia ola ayta me to neo Proedro ths Epitrophs k. Pronti, sthn anadeijh toy opoioy synebale kai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos. Kai nomizw oti h sxesh poy exoyn anaptyjei kai se proswpiko epipedo oi dyo politikoi, qa dieykolynei poly thn kalyterh dynath epilogh ek meroys kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, toy proswpoy poy qa kalycei ayth th qesh.

Ta krithria einai gnwsta: h ikanothta, h eparkeia, h empeiria, h gnwsh, to hqos, ola osa prepei na diaqetei ena dhmosio proswpo, prokeimenoy na askhsei ta kaqhkonta toy me tetoio tropo poy qa ton qwrakisei ej arxhs.

FILHS: Dyo erwthseis: H prwth erwthsh prokyptei apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Stamatopoylo apo thn anakoinwsh, gia thn ekqesh toy Staiht Nthpartment. Aisqanqhkate thn anagkh na epikrinete toys Ellhnes dhmosiografoys oti polles fores diastreblwnoyn thn eikona ths Ellados -etsi apanthsate...

REPPAS: Eipa tetoio pragma egw;

FILHS: Bebaiws. Eipate gegonota, oi Ellhnes dhmosiografoi, na prosexoyn klp. H erwthsh einai: Ftaine oi Ellhnes dhmosiografoi gia thn anakoinwsh toy Staiht Nthpartment, ke Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den eipa ayto. Epanelaba peripoy ayto poy eipa kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti emeis oi idioi qa prepei na dinoyme thn pragmatikh eikona ths Ellados kai ta peristatika, ta gegonota na ta paroysiazoyme stis swstes diastaseis toys. Apo kei kai pera den kathgorhsa toys dhmosiografoys. Mporw omws na pw oti sthn prospaqeia ayths ths entypwsioqhrias, syxnotata, exoyme thn probolh qematwn me tetoioys titloys kai me tetoio tropo, wste pragmatika o stoxos einai na "ereqistei" h koinh gnwmh kai oxi na prosferqei antikeimenikh kai cyxraimh enhmerwsh. Tetoia fainomena exoyme para polla.

FILHS: Dhladh parasyrqhke to Staiht Nthpartment;

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Gia na kleisw, omws, thn apanthsh moy, lew kai toyto, poy to exw pei kai alles fores: Oi lejeis poy xrhsimopoioyntai syxnotata, pisteyw oti einai yperbolikes gia na apodwsoyn ayto poy pragmatika symbainei. Einai lejeis oi opoies exoyn xrhsimopoihqei oles: Kolash - xaos - polemos - aqliothta - kataigida. Den yparxoyn alles lejeis gia na xrhsimopoihqoyn.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn apanthsh poy dwsate kai sas rwthsame gia to Staiht Nthpartment. Kai eseis brhkate thn eykairia na anaptyjete toys dialogoys sas peri dhmosiografias kai leitoyrghmatos.

REPPAS: Apanthsa oti h Ellada exei epipedo asfaleias kai dhmosias tajhs analogo me ayto twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs kai toy prohgmenoy kosmoy. Den dikaiologeitai loipon ayth h stash h opoia apo thn ekqesh ths armodias yphresias twn HPA, probalei thn eikona mias Elladas h opoia plhttetai apo thn tromokratia.

FILHS: O k. Pagkalos se synenteyjh toy xqes, dhlwnei oti an teqei qema na xrhsimopoihqei to limani ths Qessalonikhs gia xersaies natoikes epixeirhseis, o idios qa analabei prwtoboylia kai sth Boylh kai sto Komma -kai qa brei polloys alloys na endiaferontai gi' ayto- gia na mhn perasoyn apo th Qessalonikh natoika strateymata. Ayth h topoqethsh toy k. Pagkaloy kalyptei thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ayth einai apoch toy k. Pagkaloy. H kybernhsh kalyptetai apo th dhlwsh poy dinei probadisma sthn anazhthsh politikhs lyshs sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Kai eipa oti tetoio qema xrhsimopoihshs xersaiwn dynamewn den exei teqei. Elpizoyme, den qa teqei. Apo kei kai pera emeis den arkoymaste s' ayto. Emeis qeloyme, an einai dynaton, ayrio, twra na breqei eirhnikh lysh sto problhma. Pame akomh parapera: Kai s' ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai, ergazetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Oi apoceis, loipon, toy k. Pagkaloy, pisteyw oti ekfrazontai mesa apo tis prospaqeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KARGOYDH: Ton k. Shmith poioi qa ton synodeyoyn; Qa ton synodeyei kapoio ypoyrgiko klimakio;

REPPAS: Qa ton synodeyoyn synadelfoi apo th Qessalonikh. Otan qa episkefqei to synoriako shmeio qa einai mazi me ton armodio ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs M. Xrysoxoidh. Sth Qessalonikh, opoy qa filojenhsei ton k. Gkoytieres kai qa toy paraqesei deipno, asfalws, qa einai parontes oi ypoyrgoi ths perioxhs kai politikoi paragontes.

Sas eyxaristw.


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