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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-08-31

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Aygoystoy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN NTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Antikeimeno ths syzhthshs h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs, opws ayth qa apotypwqei ston ypo kataqesh Proypologismo. H basikh eishghsh egine apo ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw me leptomereies kai me xrhsimopoihsh pollwn stoixeiwn, ta opoia sthn eishghsh toy anefere kai o armodios ypoyrgos, prokeimenoy na sas enhmerwsw gia to poia einai h katastash shmera, poies einai oi epidiwjeis, oi stoxoi mas kai poio einai to programma mas gia na odhghqoyme sthn epiteyjh twn stoxwn aytwn.

Kat arxas, diapistwnetai oti para th mesolabhsh twn eklogwn toy 2000, poy mporei na pei kaneis oti apoteloyn enan paragonta poy prokalei reystothta kai odhgei se mia sxetikh apwleia elegxoy twn oikonomikwn ejelijewn, h ellhnikh oikonomia exei mia staqerh ejelijh, idiaitera qetikh.

Paramenoyme konta stoys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Ayto deixnei oti h ellhnikh oikonomia exei wrimasei, oti exoyme dhmioyrghsei tis proypoqeseis, wste anejarthtws sygkyriwn, na odhgoymaste sthn epiteyjh twn stoxwn poy ej arxhs qesame.

O ryqmos anaptyjhs ths xwras mas, ta teleytaia xronia, kinhqhke se ena epipedo 3,5%, kat@ etos. To pososto ayto anaferetai ws pososto toy AEP. To 2000 o ryqmos anaptyjhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias problepetai na kinhqei se ena epipedo 4,1% toy AEP. Stoxos mas einai, thn epomenh xronia to pososto ayto na einai akomh megalytero. Ektimoyme oti to 2001 mporoyme na petyxoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs toy epipedoy toy 5% toy AEP. Ta epomena xronia, 2002 kai meta, na diathrhsoyme ayton ton ychlo ryqmo anaptyjhs, petyxainontas isws akomh kalyterh epidosh, panw apo to 5%. Ayto einai para poly shmantiko, an skefqei kaneis oti epi 20 xronia, apo to 1975 ews to 1995, kata meso oro twn ryqmwn anaptyjhs ethsiws, to pososto kymanqhke sto 1,2%. Antilambaneste poia einai h terastia diafora poy exei epiteyxqei. Epishmanqhke oti aytos o ryqmos anaptyjhs o opoios edwse tis qetikes synepeies toy se oloys toys tomeis, mas ypoxrewnei na antimetwpisoyme to meizon problhma, ayto poy apotelei kai kentriko stoxos mas, thn antimetwpish dhl. ths anergias, me th dhmioyrgia pollwn xiliadwn newn qesewn apasxolhshs sthn patrida mas. Exoyme desmeytei gi@ ayto kai se aythn thn kateyqynsh ergazomaste.

O plhqwrismos se ethsia bash ektimatai oti qa kinhqei se pososto 2,4%. Prepei na labete ypoch sas oti edw apotypwnetai o legomenos egxwrios plhqwrismos kai o eisagomenos. An lhfqei ypoch oti exoyme mia ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy, mia anodo ths timhs toy dolarioy, antilambaneste poso ephreazetai o deikths toy plhqwrismoy sthn patrida mas, logw twn megeqwn aytwn poy einai ejwgenh men, alla kaqoristika gia th diamorfwsh toy epipedoy toy plhqwrismoy sthn patrida mas. Pisteyoyme oti an synexisoyme me ayton to ryqmo anaptyjhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, ta epomena xronia, me ena pososto dhl. 5%, 5,5% h kai parapanw ws pososto toy AEP, panta, qa epityxoyme thn oristikh, pragmatikh sygklish ths xwras mas me tis alles xwres ths E.E. peri to telos ayths ths dekaetias. Pisteyoyme oti sto telos ayths ths tetraetias, to 2004, qa exoyme epityxei na fqasoyme to 80% toy epipedoy zwhs poy exoyn ejasfalisei oi polites twn allwn xwrwn ths E.E.

Oson afora ta dhmosionomika qemata, prepei na poyme oti o Proypologismos o opoios einai ypo katartish, qa einai o prwtos me pleonasma ths tajhs toy 0,5%. Einai mia poly shmantikh ejelijh giati anastrefetai mia paradosh para pollwn xronwn. To pleonasma twn esodwn einai shmantiko kai prokyptei kyriws apo to rolo poy epaije to Swma Diwjhs Oikonomikoy Egklhmatos. Eixame, dhladh, mia ayjhsh katabolhs toy foroy prostiqemenhs ajias (FPA), logw twn ektetamenwn elegxwn poy ekane to gnwsto se esas SDOE. Enas allos paragontas einai h leitoyrgia toy systhmatos TAXIS poy dinei th dynatothta diastayrwshs twn stoixeiwn. Kai enas tritos paragontas poly shmantikos, poy odhghse se ayth thn ayjhsh twn esodwn kai th dhmioyrgia pleonasmatos, einai h dhmioyrgia kai h leitoyrgia kentrikwn mhxanismwn, epta Elegktikwn Kentrwn sygkekrimena, opoy sygkentrwnontai ta stoixeia twn forologoymenwn me poly megala eisodhmata, prokeimenoy na xtyphsoyme to fainomeno ths pelateiakhs sxeshs, ths proswpikhs sxeshs poy anaptyssetai, otan o forologoymenos ayths ths kathgorias synallassetai me mia topikh yphresia. Etsi loipon, exoyme th dynatothta me th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy pleonasmatos, na xrhmatodothsoyme tis politikes poy anakoinwsame hdh apo ton perysino Septembrio, enocei ths DEQ. Ta metra poy tote anakoinwqhkan, en merei, tiqentai se efarmogh apo thn epomenh xronia. Opws epishs, etsi akribws, eixame th dynatothta na proxwrhsoyme se sygkekrimenes ejaggelies kata thn proeklogikh periodo, tis opoies me apolyth synepeia qa efarmosoyme. To pleonasma se pososto 0,5% toy AEP gia ton epomeno Proypologismo eyelpistoyme oti me mia swsth dhmosionomikh diaxeirish, qa odhghsei to 2002 se enan Proypologismo poy qa paroysiazei pleonasma ths tajhs toy 2% toy AEP. Ara, ayjanontai kai oi dynatothtes mas gia thn askhsh politikwn poy qa aforoyn toys asqenesteroys oikonomika sympolites mas, me o,ti ayto synepagetai.

To programma Dhmosiwn Ependysewn gia to 2000 problepei dapanes ths tajhs toy 1 trisekatommyrioy, 900 disekatommyriwn draxmwn.

Oson afora ta dhmosia oikonomika to poso ayto kata to megalytero pososto toy proerxetai apo poroys toy B@ en merei alla kai toy G@ Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs. Epishmanqhke h anagkh na periorisoyme peraiterw to dhmosio xreos ths xwras mas, poy exei men ptwtikh tash, alla paramenei se poly ychla epipeda. Kineitai se ena pososto 100%, einai poly ychlo. Kai pantws, einai se apoklish apo to antistoixo epipedo sto opoio kineitai to dhmosio xreos twn allwn xwrwn ths E.E. me elaxistes ejaireseis xwrwn poy exoyn to idio problhma me ayto ths dikhs mas xwras. Eipwqhke xarakthristika oti oi kybernhseis twn xwrwn ths E.E. kanoyn mia syntonismenh prospaqeia na antimetwpisoyn ayto to megeqos toy dhmosioy xreoys. Anaferqhke ena xarakthristiko paradeigma ths Germanias, opoy apofasisthke pws ta esoda apo tis drasthriothtes, tis adeies klp. ths kinhths thlefwnias triths genias qa doqoyn apokleistika kai mono gia th meiwsh toy dhmosioy xreoys. Ena yperogko poso trisekatommyriwn draxmwn qa kateyqynqei sthn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy kai monon.

Oson afora ta epitokia, epishmanqhke oti thn epomenh periodo qa exoyme mia shmantikh h qeamatikh ptwsh twn epitokiwn, afoy prepei sto telos toy xronoy na enarmonistei to epipedo sto opoio kineitai to epitokio sth xwra mas me ayto twn allwn xwrwn ths E. E. Ayto paragei apotelesmata, ta opoia mporei na odhghsoyn se qetikes, alla kai arnhtikes synepeies. Mporei na odhghsoyn se yperqermansh ths Oikonomias, se ayjhsh ths katanalwshs, se plhqwristikes pieseis. Alla, parallhla, mporei na enisxysoyn thn ependytikh drasthriothta, thn anaptyjh kai th dhmioyrgia qesewn apasxolhshs. Ara, loipon, xreiazetai pantote mia staqerh dhmosionomikh politikh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme endexomenes dysmeneis synepeies, apo mia tetoia ejelijh, th sxetikh me th meiwsh twn epitokiwn sthn patrida mas.

Oson afora th forologikh politikh, to forologiko nomosxedio, to opoio qa protaqei kai qa syzhthqei, qa exei orizonta dietias, qa enswmatwnei tis ejaggelies poy kaname to 1999 kai th desmh metrwn poy ejaggeilame kata thn proeklogikh periodo. Stoxos mas einai, to 2002, na syzhthsoyme kai pali ena forologiko nomosxedio, to opoio qa katastei nomos me isxy gia thn epomenh 2etia, 2003-2004. Aytos einai o sxediasmos mas.

Oson afora thn ayjhsh twn dapanwn sto Dhmosio, sta Ypoyrgeia, pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na kymanqei sta oria ayjhshs twn esodwn. Se kapoies periptwseis, se tomeis poy dinoyme probadisma kai antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata poy exoyn parathrhqei gia na dwsoyme etsi kai to xarakthra ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme (anaferomai ston tomea ths Apasxolhshs, ths Ygeias, ths Paideias kai ths Pronoias) oi ayjhseis aytes qa kymanqoyn se ychlotera epipeda, peripoy sto 7%. Aytos einai, kat arxas, o sxediasmos mas, ana tomea.

Oson afora thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia th xrhsimopoihsh toy EYRW, otan eisaxqei ws fysiko nomisma, exei systaqei epitroph, h opoia leitoyrgei apodotika. Sth Boylh syzhteitai sxetiko nomosxedio, to opoio qa katastei nomos toy kratoys. Me ayto diasfalizontai oles oi diadikasies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy prokyptoyn, logw ths metatrophs ths draxmhs. Apo thn 1.1.2001, exoyme pei oti to EYRW qa eisaxqei logistika stis synallages ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs mas. Apo thn 1.1.2002, to EYRW qa xrhsimopoihqei ws pragmatiko nomisma.

Ston tomea twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, aytes aforoyn, prwton, thn apeleyqerwsh twn agorwn, deyteron, tis idiwtikopoihseis, metoxopoihseis, triton, thn aploysteysh twn diadikasiwn, tetarton, thn tonwsh ths epixeirhmatikothtas, pempton, thn antimetwpish toy asfalistikoy systhmatos kai ekton, th syzhthsh gia ta ergasiaka qemata.

Oson afora thn apeleyqerwsh agorwn stis thlepikoinwnies kai thn energeia, exoyme pei oti sto telos toy 2000 kai sthn arxh toy 2001, qa exoyme mpei se mia nea epoxh kai qa leitoyrgoyn, pleon, oi agores ston tomea ayto twn thlepikoinwniwn kai ths energeias, me toys neoys kanones.

Oson afora ton tomea twn idiwtikopoihsewn, metoxopoihsewn, ejygiansewn k.lp. kata thn prohgoymenh periodo oloklhrwsame 15 allages. Exoyme ejaggeilei gi ayth thn periodo, 18 allages, exoyme pragmatopoihsei mexri twra, treis, aytes poy aforoyn th synach strathgikhs symmaxias ths Emporikhs Trapezas me jenh trapeza, thn pwlhsh ths ELBO kai th metoxopoihsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Oi epomenes metoxopoihseis aforoyn kata seira ton COSMOTE, ton OPAP, thn Agrotikh Trapeza kai th DEH. Xronika topoqetoyntai aytes oi allages apo ton erxomeno Oktwbrio, mexri tis arxes toy 2001. Ston tomea twn idiwtikopoihsewn oi allages aforoyn thn EAB, poy pisteyoyme oti entos toy Septembrioy mporei na oloklhrwqei h pwlhsh toy 49% kai toy management ths etaireias se idiwtes. Deyteron, th synach strathgikhs symmaxias toy OTE, o opoios synergazetai me symboylo dieqnoys kyroys kai empeirias gia to qema ayto. Kai triton, tis allages poy aforoyn thn pwlhsh ths O.A.

Oson afora ton OTE, exei hdh epiteyxqei mia metoxopoihsh se pososto 49%. H anazhthsh strathgikhs symmaxias, asfalws, odhgei sthn pwlhsh enos akomh posostoy toy metoxikoy kefalaioy toy OTE. To Dhmosio protiqetai na diathrhsei ton elegxo kai to management sto megalo ayto Organismo.

Oson afora thn O.A. diatypwnontai protaseis, ejetazontai diafores eishghseis, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis.

Telos, opws tonisthke kai apo ton eishghth, ta epiteygmata ths ellhnikhs Oikonomias pistopoioyn thn proodo ths xwras mas. Exoyme plhsiasei tis alles xwres ths E.E. Prepei na synexisoyme na eimaste prosektikoi, prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyme ayta ta epiteygmata -mhn exoyme epistrofh sto parelqon- giati mono etsi mporoyme na xrhmatodothsoyme thn koinwnikh politikh poy qewroyme oti exei, pleon, to probadisma, ta epomena xronia.

O Prwqypoyrgos ekane ena eisagwgiko sxolio: Anaferqhke sthn anagkh na epideijoyme kalyterh apotelesmatikothta se diaforoys tomeis poy aforoyn thn kaqhmerinh zwh toy polith. Eipe oti shmera syzhtoyme thn oikonomikh politikh. Kai alla qemata, ayths ths morfhs, qa syzhthqoyn thn epomenh periodo. Aforoyn p.x. th swsth kai grhgorh ektelesh twn ergwn, prokeimenoy etsi na exoyme mia plhrh eikona gia to pws exoyn ta pragmata, na paroyme apofaseis kai na dwsoyme kateyqynseis gia beltiwsh ths katastashs. To plaisio, oi kateyqynseis poy eishghqhke o armodios Ypoyrgos eginan dekta, brhkan symfwnoys toys alloys Ypoyrgoys. Apoteloyn mia bash, mia afethria gia peraiterw syzhthsh, poy qa ginei se ena eyrytero plaisio, se mia epomenh fash, afoy proxwrhsei h ergasia gia thn katartish toy Proypologismoy.

Epanabebaiwqhke h politikh mas, oson afora tis proteraiothtes poy aforoyn, opws eipa, thn ayjhsh ths apasxolhshs, thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn sto xwro ths Ygeias-Pronoias kai ths Paideias kai bebaiws, th beltiwsh ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs, giati opws xarakthristika eipwqhke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, xwris ikanh kai apotelesmatikh Dhmosia Dioikhsh den einai dynato na aporrofhsoyme kai na ajiopoihsoyme toys poroys poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas kai einai arketoi, wste na epityxoyme thn akomh megalyterh anaptyjhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

Oson afora sta toy Xrhmatisthrioy, diatypwqhke h qesh oti to problhma einai yparkto. H kybernhsh oydepote mexri twra, oyte kai sto mellon, mporei na kateyqynei th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. H kybernhsh exei xreos me thn oikonomikh politikh ths na dhmioyrghsei ena staqero oikonomiko kai politiko periballon, entos toy opoioy mporei na leitoyrghsei kalytera to Xrhmatisthrio. Kai, epishs, exei thn ypoxrewsh na proxwrhsei sth lhch olwn twn anagkaiwn qesmikwn metrwn, prokeimenoy me diafaneia na askeitai o elegxos kai h epopteia sta ths leitoyrgias toy Xrhmatisthrioy, wste etsi na diasfalizontai ta symferonta twn ependytwn. Kai ayto h kybernhsh to exei kanei. Apo kei kai pera, h aytonomia toy Xrhmatisthrioy einai dedomenh. Diatypwnetai h apoch oti o tropos me ton opoio stelexh ths antipoliteyshs proseggizoyn to qema ayto prosferei arnhtikh yphresia kai ephreazei th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Kalo einai na apofeygontai tetoioy eidoys prajeis, dhlwseis, h stash ayth h opoia kaqe allo para bohqa to Xrhmatisthrio gia na anakamcei. Synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste h oikonomikh politikh na prosferei ta epomena xronia sthn Ellada anaptyjh tetoia poy na dhmioyrgei oles tis proypoqeseis, wste to Xrhmatisthrio na leitoyrgei se mia anaptygmenh oikonomia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Den mas eipate tipota gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh. Ti lefta qa dwsete stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys; Ola ta akoysame ektos apo ayto.

REPPAS: Eipame oti oi dapanes qa prepei na kymainontai sto epipedo ths ayjhshs twn esodwn. H eisodhmatikh politikh pagiws syndeetai me to epipedo toy plhqwrismoy. Ayto einai enas genikos kanonas ston opoio panta eimaste synepeis. Gnwrizete oti ta qemata ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs sto plaisio twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn.

MIXAHL: Pws eseis exete th symbatikh ypoxrewsh apo thn eisodo ths xwras sth zwnh toy EYRW, na prosarmostoyn ta epitokia mexri to telos toy xronoy. Pws qa to kataferete ayto, sto teleytaio trimhno toy 2000 na ta rijete, dhladh, 4 kai 5 monades, apofeygontas tis plhqwristikes pieseis; Kai th stigmh poy h Kentrikh Eyrwpaikh Trapeza anebazei ta epitokia, akribws gia na mhn yparxei problhma. Xqes, o k. Papadhmos diapistwse oti den mporei na kanei polla pragmata.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ekdoxh. Prepei na sas pw oti pragmatika xreiazetai megalh prosoxh sto pws qa antimetwpisoyme ayto to qema. Qa pame se mia omalh prosarmogh, me tetoioys xeirismoys poy den qa dhmioyrghsoyn endexomena h kindynoys gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Anaferqhka se ayto milwntas prin. Einai ena egxeirhma poy prepei na feroyme se peras me megalh prosoxh.

MIXAHL: Mas dwsate kai tis proteraiothtes oson afora tis idiwtikopoihseis, metoxopoihseis to amesws epomeno diasthma. Omws, dexeste sklhrh kritikh apo olo to fasma ths antipoliteyshs, se diaforetikoys tonoys, gia ton tropo me ton opoio proxwrate se aytes tis idiwtikopoihseis. Dhladh, me diadikasies oi opoies den katoxyrwnoyn th diafaneia h dhmioyrgoyn monopwliakes katastaseis. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Se oles tis periptwseis exoyn proslhfqei symboyloi poy exoyn anagnwrish, empeiria ston tomea ayto. Oles oi diadikasies ejelissontai me apolyth diafaneia. Einai idion ths antipoliteyshs na kathgorei thn kybernhsh gia kaqe prwtoboylia ths, anti na thn krinei apo ta apotelesmata ths politikhs poy akoloyqei. Kai ta apotelesmata ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme einai, kata koinh omologia, qetika. Kata ta alla, an kapoios qewrei oti den exoyn thrhqei oi kanones, poy prepei na diepoyn aytes tis drasthriothtes, as ajiopoihsei ta organa ths dikaiosynhs. Giati ayth h prospaqeia na yponomeyqei h diarqrwtikh politikh ths kybernhshs kai na dhlhthriastei h dhmosia zwh ths xwras, antilambaneste oti aposkopei alloy. Se kapoies de periptwseis mporei na ektimhsei kaneis oti isws ejyphretei kai sygkekrimena idiwtika symferonta, poy sygkroyomena se aytes tis periptwseis, logiko einai na anadeiknyoyn kritikes kai kataggelies gia ton tropo, me ton opoio xeirizontai ta qemata oi dioikhseis twn diaforwn organismwn. Se mia Politeia san th dikh mas poy einai dhmokratika organwmenh, leitoyrgoyn qesmoi kai organa poy mporei na epilhfqoyn, an kapoios exei kati sygkekrimeno na katamartyrhsei. Ola ta alla, ginontai gia mikrokommatikoys logoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws gnwrizete ayta ta sygkekrimena symferonta; Mporeite na mas anaferete poia einai;

REPPAS: Eipa oti mporei na ypoqesei kaneis kati tetoio, gia na ejhghsei th stash paragontwn ths antipoliteyshs, afoy den dikaiologeitai ayth h stash apo thn ejelijh twn pragmatwn. Giati, opws anefera, an h antipoliteysh ekrine thn politikh mas apo ta qetika apotelesmata ths, qa eprepe na mas epainei kai oxi na mas kathgorei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, epishs, oti h kybernhsh diasfalizei ta symferonta twn ependytwn.

REPPAS: Mhn parapoieite ta osa lew. To kanete systhmatika. Sas eipa oti qa prepei h kybernhsh na dhmioyrghsei ena qesmiko plaisio, lambanontas ola ta aparaithta metra, prokeimenoy to Xrhmatisthrio na leitoyrgei me oles ekeines tis eggyhseis poy einai aparaithtes, wste etsi na diasfalizontai ta symferonta twn ependytwn. H lhch aytwn twn qesmikwn metrwn exei ginei apo thn kybernhsh mas. To plaisio poy yparxei einai eparkes. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, ta ths leitoyrgias toy Xrhmatisthrioy den aforoyn thn kybernhtikh politikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete ena spotaki poy paizetai sta kanalia gia to Xrhmatisthrio;

REPPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Moy anefere synadelfos sas xqes oti proballetai kapoio diafhmistiko mhnyma. Exw zhthsei na exw ayta ta stoixeia sth diaqesh moy. Den exw ypoch moy ayto to mhnyma sto opoio anafereste. An pragmatika proballetai kapoio mhnyma, to opoio krinomeno me bash toys oroys kai tis arxes ths deontologias poy prepei na threitai oson afora kai ta diafhmistika mhnymata ta parabiazei, h Politeia mas exei organa, mporei na epilhfqoyn kai na epibaloyn kyrwseis, ean krinoyn pws prepei na kanoyn kati tetoio. Giati prepei na sas pw oti ta diafhmistika mhnymata ypokeintai se kapoioys kanones, oson afora th deontologia poy prepei na ta diepei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti yparxei pleonasma esodwn. Tote giati ayjanontai ta timologia twn kratikwn epixeirhsewn;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa kai allh fora se ayto. H alhqeia einai oti aytos qa einai o prwtos pleonasmatikos Proypologismos. To pleonasma einai ths tajhs toy 0,5% toy AEP. Ypologizetai peripoy se 90 disekatommyria draxmes. Einai mia poly megalh epityxia, giati @epanalambanw- katalyei mia paradosh pollwn xronwn, afoy gia prwth fora sth xwra mas exoyme pleonasmatiko proypologismo. Etsi -ayto to pisteyoyme apolyta-qa einai kai oi epomenoi Proypologismoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Staqopoylos ejakoloyqei na einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: O k. Staqopoylos gnwrizete poly kala oti einai ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs ths kybernhshs mas kai aporw giati qetete eseis, poy eiste toso enhmeros gia polla qemata, ayth thn erwthsh!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Apolytws. Den yparxoyn ypoyrgoi sthn kybernhsh poy den exoyn thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayta synebainan, isws, se alla kommata kai se alles kybernhseis kai oxi sth dikh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson apolambanei ths empistosynhs kai paramenei, giati epikriqhke toso asxhma, barbara apo dyo prwhn ypoyrgoys Dikaiosynhs toys kyrioys Giannopoylo kai Benizelo;

REPPAS: Den miloyme gia epikrish. Miloyme gia diatypwsh apocewn poy eleyqerws mporoyn oi boyleytes kai ola ta stelexh na diatypwnoyn, sto plaisio syzhthsewn sth Boylh. Ayto einai agaqo, systatiko stoixeio ths Dhmokratias mas.

GIAKOYMHS: Sxetika me thn anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy eipate oti anefere xarakthristika oti h kybernhsh de qelhse na dwsei pote mia politikh kateyqynsh sto Xrhmatisthrio. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Ayto den erxetai se antiqesh me ta osa, praktika toylaxiston, ekane to PASOK kata tis proeklogikes periodoys, eite me diafhmistika spotakia, eite me paradeigmata h pinakes;

REPPAS: Lete, loipon, oti kata thn epomenh proeklogikh periodo, enocei twn eklogwn toy 2004, qa prepei na anaferqoyme kai pali sthn poreia toy deikth toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ta stoixeia, ta opoia xrhsimopoihqhkan kata thn proeklogikh periodo, anaferontai se pragmatika dedomena. Anaferqhkan stoixeia gia diafores drasthriothtes, gia diafores leitoyrgies se diaforoys tomeis. Ayto htan. Htan mia enhmerwsh me th xrhsimopoihsh sygkekrimenwn pragmatikwn stoixeiwn. Tipota allo.

KARGOYDH: Mhpws kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs eipwqhkan pio sygkekrimena pragmata gia th DEQ;

REPPAS: Oxi, den eipwqhkan alla qemata, pera apo ayta ta opoia sas anakoinwsa. Ta qemata poy aforoyn th DEQ kai th Qessalonikh, idiaiterws, exoyn syzhthqei se syskeceis ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PITTARAS: Htan proswpikes oi apoceis toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, xqes sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti molis thn prohgoymenh hmera eixe synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio kai omofwnws eixame katalhjei se mia protash, thn opoia aneptyje o eishghths ths pleiochfias. Ayth einai h qesh thn opoia proteinei h pleiochfia. Kai pisteyoyme oti kai ta alla kommata, epeidh einai swsth h qesh, qa thn chfisoyn. Kata ta alla, o k. Staqopoylos exei kanei sxetikes dhlwseis. Ejedwse xqes to brady deltio Typoy -to exete ypoch sas- opoy pragmatika perigrafei pws exoyn ta pragmata. Pantws, oydolws anaferqhke h poly perissotero eishghqhke allages se tomeis, opws kapoioi to ejelaban.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To dioxeteysan, oxi to ejelaban;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati poy to lete eseis. Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio. Ta praktika ths Boylhs einai sth diaqesh sas, mporeite na ta melethsete gia na bgalete ta symperasmata sas.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na moy peite, ean antedrasan oi kyrioi Papantwnioy kai Laliwths, otan akoysan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na milaei, gia beltiwsh ths katastashs sta dhmosia erga kai, gia qesmoqethsh metrwn diafaneias poy qa einai pros to symferon twn mikroependytwn. To idio isxyei kai gia thn ka Papandreoy, oson afora thn anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn anikanothta, thn adynamia ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs na ferei apotelesmata.

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme antipalo ton eayto mas. Qeloyme na eimaste synexws kalyteroi. Ayto to opoio eipan oloi oi ypoyrgoi sthn eisagwgh twn topoqethsewn toys, htan enas epainos pros ton k. Papantwnioy. Oloi oi ypoyrgoi poy milhsan epainesan ton k. Papantwnioy, ws prwtergath ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs, mias oikonomikhs politikhs poy eixe shmantikh symbolh sto na kerdisoyme tis prosfates ekloges. Oson afora ta erga -kai milhsa gia erga, oxi mono gia dhmosia erga- ekteloyntai se olh thn Ellada, apo foreis poy den einai aparaithtws entagmenoi sto ypoyrgeio Periballontos kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Anaferqhke, fer eipein, h kataskeyh limnodejamenwn se diafores perioxes. Den exei kamia sxesh to ergo ayto me to YPEXWDE. Ara, loipon, anaferqhkan kapoia paradeigmata ki egw epilegw ena paradeigma, to opoio den exei sxesh me foreis toy YPEXWDE, gia na apanthsw, epeidh qewrhsate oti h anafora ayth aforoyse ton k. Laliwth. Exei ginei ena shmantiko ergo -to gnwrizete poly kala- kai o k. Laliwths einai ajiepainos, giati exei epifortistei na ferei se peras ena dyskolo kommati ths proetoimasias ths xwras mas gia thn Olympiada toy 2004, gia sygkekrimena erga twn opoiwn h ektelesh eixe kaqysterhsei. H ektelesh twn ergwn aytwn qa oloklhrwqei egkairws kai qa eimaste etoimoi gia th diorganwsh mias artias Olympiadas. Ara, den dikaiologeitai sthn periptwsh ayth opoiadhpote kritikh. Oson afora th Dhmosia Dioikhsh, gnwrizete oti h ypoyrgos Dhmosias Dioikhshs exei apodyqei se mia synexh prospaqeia na th beltiwsei kai dhmosiws to exei dhlwsei, epeidh qewrei pws to epipedo ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs sthn Ellada brisketai pisw, se sxesh me to antistoixo twn xwrwn ths E.E. Kai den einai dynato, na epityxoyme thn pragmatikh sygklish, an h Dhmosia Dioikhsh ths xwras mas den ginei pio apotelesmatikh, pio poiotikh, pio filikh pros ton polith. Ara, loipon, exoyme kanei terastia bhmata kai se ayto ton tomea. Alla, bebaiws, anagnwrizoyme pws prepei na proxwrhsoyme se allages kai akoma megalyterh beltiwsh.

ANTYPAS: Metakinoyntai alles stratiwtikes dynameis sto Kossobo;

REPPAS: Yparxei ayth h metakinhsh. Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia enallagh dynamikoy twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn poy egkaqistatai sto Kossobo. Asfalws, ayto entassetai sto plaisio ths ypoxrewshs poy exoyme h ths epiloghs poy kanoyme na eimaste parontes kai se ayth thn perioxh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati o Prwqypoyrgos anetrece thn prohgoymenh apofash toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy Andrea Papandreoy, se o,ti afora thn entajh toy arqroy 3 stis ypo anaqewrhsh diatajeis;

REPPAS: Anafereste se mia epilogh toy 1996. Meta apo tessera xronia syzhtate gia thn istoria, isws, toy pragmatos, kati poy apofasisame omofwnws oloi tote, opoioi htan sth synqesh ths kybernhshs, kai qewrhsame oti htan mia swsth epilogh. Tote, poy ginontan aytes oi syzhthseis proeixan alla qemata, eprepe na petyxoyme sygkekrimenoys stoxoys . Kai, opws fainetai, apo thn apostash toy xronoy poy en tw metajy exei perasei, petyxame aytoys toys stoxoys. Ara, h epilogh mas htan swsth.

KARGOYDH: Sygnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, dhladh, shmera basei toy gegonotos oti epanerxetai o k. Staqopoylos exoyn allajei ta stoixeia sthn protash poy diatypwqhke kai oloklhrwqhke apo to 1996.

REPPAS: H syzhthsh ayth jekinhse meta to 1993. Gnwrizete oti to 1995 me th symplhrwsh ths 10etias, mphke, pleon, h bash gia na syzhthqoyn qemata anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos. Kai h epilogh poy kaname tote htan mia swsth epilogh, opws mporei kapoios shmera na dei. Paramenoyme sth qesh thn opoia tote apofasisame kai twra yposthrizoyme sth Boylh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Staqopoylos sth dhlwsh toy leei oti einai wrimes oi synqhkes na mpoyn sthn anaqewrhsh kai alla arqra sxetika me tis sxeseis Ekklhsias-Politeias.Den phre tipota pisw.

REPPAS: O k. Staqopoylos, kat arxas, anaferqhke se paradeigmata, ta opoia aforoyn alloys tomeis, th Dikaiosynh h thn Kentrikh Dioikhsh kai Aytodioikhsh, epeidh exoyn parathrhqei sygkekrimena problhmata. Oson afora, fer eipein, thn ennoia ths topikhs ypoqeshs, pragma to opoio odhgei sthn ekdosh apofasewn dikasthriwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghsei parenergeies sthn ektelesh apofasewn ths dioikhshs. Proklhqeis apo boyleyth ths antipoliteyshs, o opoios anaferqhke sto qema twn sxesewn Kratoys-Ekklhsias, eipe oti kai ayto einai ena qema, gia to opoio qa mporoyse na ginei syzhthsh. Alla, den exei problefqei ayto to qema na entaxqei stis ypo anaqewrhsh diatajeis. Eipe akoma oti symfwnei apolytws me ton k. Benizelo, o opoios exei diatypwsei th qesh pws mono to 5% twn qematwn poy aforoyn th sxesh Kratoys-Ekklhsias empiptei stis diatajeis toy Syntagmatos. To 95% twn sxetikwn qematwn ryqmizetai apo ton koino nomoqeth, alla den eishgeitai opoiadhpote prwtoboylia gia th ryqmish qematwn se ayto to pedio. Ekane mia diatypwsh, h opoia einai kai diapistwsh. Den ekane politikh protash, oyte ypedeije thn analhch sygkekrimenhs prwtoboylias.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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