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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-09-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Septembrioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw eisagwgikws gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayth thn ebdomada.

Shmera, stis 13.30, qa synergastei me ton yfypoyrgo Oikonomikwn G. Dry. Argotera, stis 14.00, qa dexqei, meta apo aithma toy, to boyleyth S. Boygia. Stis 14.30, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Epikrateias M. Papaiwannoy.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa proedreysei se syskech sthn opoia qa paroyn meros oi ypoyrgoi B. Papandreoy, K. Laliwths kai o yfypoyrgos Xr. Paxtas, enw se ena tmhma ths qa einai kai o ypoyrgos Metaforwn Xr. Berelhs. Antikeimeno ths syskechs einai h ejetash ths ejelijhs twn dhmosiwn ergwn sthn ellhnikh perifereia kai h parakoloyqhsh twn ergwn aytwn apo tis armodies dhmosies yphresies. Stis 7.30 to apogeyma, qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs PASOK K. Skandalidh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 9.30 to prwi, qa synergastei me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs M. Staqopoylo kai antikeimeno ths synergasias qa einai h anazhthsh tropwn taxyterhs aponomhs ths Dikaiosynhs. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa exei synergasia me ton Proedro ths Boylhs Ap. Kaklamanh, enocei ths enarjhs twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa proedreysei sth synedriash toy E.G. toy PASOK.

Thn Pempth to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa asxolhqei me thn politikh ston tomea toy Toyrismoy kai Argototoyrismoy, tomeas poy einai poly shmantikos gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

Thn Paraskeyh, opws gnwrizete, stis 12.30, qa synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, sthn opoia qa milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy Kinhmatos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PETOYRH: Eixe anakoinwqei oti o Prwqypoyrgos to meshmeri qa eixe synanthsh me to Grammatea Organwtikoy toy PASOK M. Neonakh. Den qa ginei ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Den yphrxe sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tetoia synanthsh. Edw, sas anakoinwnw tis synanthseis poy perilambanontai sto programma toy.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos, xqes, mas periegrace pws ennoei o idios tis sxeseis twn politikwn me ploysioys filoys toys. Eseis, ws ypoyrgos Typoy, symmerizeste enan tetoio orismo;

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw tis apoceis poy diatypwnontai genikws epi diaforwn qematwn. An qelete th dikh moy apoch se proswpiko epipedo na sas thn ekqesw. An qelete thn apoch ths kybernhshs, antilambaneste pws den einai qema syzhthshs. Exoyme pei oti asfalws oi politikoi qa prepei na zoyn me apolyth diafaneia, akomh kai sthn idiwtikh zwh toys. Apo kei kai pera, den qa prepei na enoxopoieitai opoiadhpote koinwnikh synanastrofh, giati apo monh ths den mporei na apotelesei th bash gia diatypwsh kathgorias h kataggelias, enantion enos politikoy.

MIXAHL: Eixame to Sabbatokyriako antiparaqesh anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai thn antipoliteysh. O k. Karamanlhs ekane logo gia enoxh siwph. H ka Papandreoy eipe oti epistrefei h politikh zwh sto 1989. Kata th gnwmh sas kai me dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti ayth h 4etia qa einai mia dyskolh 4etia, giati prepei na petyxoyme thn pragmatikh sygklhsh, aytoy toy eidoys h antiparaqesh symballei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den prokaloyme emeis ayth thn antiparaqesh. Asfalws, omws, den siwpoyme, otan kapoioi mas prokaloyn zhtwntas tis dikes mas apanthseis, epi twn qematwn poy ekeinoi qetoyn. Qa yparxoyn panta apanthseis. Ayto to opoio sxoliazw einai toyto: H poreia ths xwras, h beltiwsh ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs twn politwn qa kriqei apo ton tropo me ton opoio qa antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites. Qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme to problhma ths anergias. Qa prepei na anabaqmisoyme tis yphresies ygeias, mesw toy ESY. Qa prepei na beltiwsoyme, sto plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, tis diadikasies, alla kai to periexomeno twn metrwn, prokeimenoy ta ellhnopoyla na exoyn efodia gia na antagwnistoyn ta alla paidia twn xwrwn ths E.E. Qa prepei na beltiwsoyme th leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn, wste h Dhmosia Dioikhsh na ginei pio filikh pros ton polith. Ayta einai ta qemata epi twn opoiwn emeis zhtoyme thn politikh antiparaqesh, me bash programmata kai epixeirhmata. H N.D. prospaqei na kalycei thn adynamia ths -giati stereitai kai programmatos kai politikwn protasewn- dhmioyrgwntas mia sygxysh, metaqetontas to kentro problhmatismoy kai syzhthsewn se ena allo pedio poy ths einai gnwrimo. Den exei didaxqei tipota apo to parelqon ths. Prospaqei me texnasmata na apoprosanatolisei thn koinh gnwmh kai na prosporistei mikrokommatika ofelh. Me thn erwthsh sas, moy dinete thn eykairia na sxoliasw thn epilogh toy k. Karamanlh na qesei thn ypografh toy se sxetikoys katalogoys. Asfalws, h eleyqeria ths ekfrashs sthn Ellada einai dedomenh. H eleyqeria ekfrashs twn qrhskeytikwn pepoiqhsewn einai apolytws sebasth. O k. Karamanlhs, opws oloi, asfalws ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, omws, den prokeitai peri aytoy. Giati me thn ypografh toy, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, epixeirei na nomimopoihsei mia apolyta antidhmokratikh kai dixastikh energeia. To qema twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn den krinetai mesw ``dhmochfismatwn''. Ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, akomh ki an enas poliths einai aytos poy proballei mia diaforetikh qesh, prepei na ginontai apolytws sebasta. Den ypokeintai stoys kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. Kata ta alla, pisteyoyme oti h koinwnikh apostolh, o pneymatikos rolos ths Ekklhsias den symbibazetai me thn politikopoihsh ths Ekklhsias, thn opoia di` aytoy toy tropoy prowqei o k. Karamanlhs, pisteyontas etsi pws shmera qa prosporistei orismena ofelh, xwris na blepei to ayrio ths xwras. H Ekklhsia exei to diko ths diakrito rolo, poy einai bebaiws sebastos kai den einai dynato me tetoioy eidoys energeies na eisagoyme ``kaina daimonia'', dhmioyrgwntas mia peraiterw sygxysh, poy epibarynei to klima sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras, gia to rolo ths Ekklhsias kai gia thn askhsh politikwn poy exoyn stoxo to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Ola ayta prepei na einai safh gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poios mas eggyatai oti ayta poy lete ws sxolio eseis, einai qesfato; Eipate ena sxolio, e kai loipon;

REPPAS: Eseis, sto Meso poy ergazeste, qa diatypwsete to diko sas sxolio. Otan eseis exete to dikaiwma na diatypwsete thn apoch sas, den exei h kybernhsh to dikaiwma na ekfrasei th qesh ths; Mas kathgoreite giati ekfrazoyme mia qesh;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den sas kathgorw, aplws prospaqw na dwsw kapoia ejhghsh se ayto to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Prospaqeite na peisteite.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw, giati na peistw; Ma, den me peiqete, k. Ekproswpe.

REPPAS: Den exw tetoia filodojia, giati to gnwrizw. Edw isxyei to "oy me peiseis, kan me peiseis". Eseis kanete to diko sas sxolio kai mas kathgoreite giati diatypwnoyme emeis to diko mas sxolio.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhn paizoyme me tis lejeis. To erwthma moy einai, kata poia logikh qa dexqei o ellhnikos laos th dikh sas apoch kai apagoreyete h katadikazete kapoioys alloys foreis na topoqetoyntai h na ekfrazontai diaforetika apo ta osa lete sto sxolio sas.

REPPAS: O kaqenas mporei na ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy. Kai ayto einai apolytws sebasto. Oson afora, omws, th symmetoxh se mia tetoia dixastikh, antidhmokratikh energeia, asfalws, exoyme th dynatothta na diatypwsoyme ayth thn kritikh. Kai th diatypwnoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den mas dieykrinizete, giati einai dixastikh.

REPPAS: To exoyme anaferei ayto, edw kai para polles hmeres, apo tote poy eteqh to qema, oti prokeitai gia mia energeia h opoia enexei kai synepeies dixasmoy ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Eipa, malista, oti synepeies dixasmoy mporei na prokycoyn kai gi` ayto akomh to swma ths Ekklhsias. Ta exoyme pei edw kai meres ayta. Den einai qesfato.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Tote, loipon, na stamathsoyme thn enhmerwsh, epeidh to eipate prin apo ena mhna.

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Papadopoyle, qa synexisoyme thn enhmerwsh, alla na einai enhmerwsh. Giati, an o kaqenas, diatypwnontas tis apoceis toy, qewrei oti aytes oi apoceis qa prepei na ginoyn aytomatws apodektes apo opoion tis akoyei, tote den miloyme gia enhmerwsh, miloyme gia mia prospaqeia kapoios na epibalei ston allon thn apoch toy. Kai den prokeitai peri aytoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta poy eipate, isxyoyn kai gia ton k. Papaqemelh kai gia ton k. Krhtiko;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste to baros poy exei h symmetoxh se ayth th diadikasia toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Giati, bebaiws, h prajh ayth den qa odhghsei sthn taytish ths N.D. me thn energeia ayth, afoy para polloi paragontes ths N.D., ypoqetw, ektimw oti den qa symmetasxoyn se ayth th diadikasia. Den qa ypogracoyn. Egw milw gia thn prajh toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, to nohma kai th shmasia ayths ths prajhs, poy odhgei se eyqeia politikopoihsh ths Ekklhsias kai deixnei oti o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs meterxetai meqodoys kai praktikes apolytws katadikastees, me tis opoies epidiwkontai mikrokommatika ofelh, kontoqwra pantws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate. Egw sas rwthsa gia ton k. Papaqemelh kai alloys boyleytes toy PASOK@

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa. H politikh mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema exei ekfrastei me safhneia, edw kai para poly kairo. Paramenoyme se ayth thn politikh. Ayth einai h politikh ths kybernhshs, Oi boyleytes, kata ta alla, ekfrazoyn -kai exoyn aperiorista ayto to dikaiwma- thn apoch toys, energoyn kata syneidhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi ypoloipoi den mporoyn na thn ekfrasoyn;

REPPAS: Asfalws, mporoyn. Alla den milw gia ta stelexh ths N.D., milw gia ton arxhgo ths N.D. kai to baros poy exei ayth h prajh toy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na epanelqw sto qema twn dhlwsewn toy k. Pagkaloy kai me bash kapoies plhrofories poy feroyn ton Prwqypoyrgo dysaresthmeno apo olo ayto to klima poy exei dhmioyrghqei. Kai sas rwtw, giati meteixate sth syskech, prin apo ligo. Kata poso isxyoyn oi plhrofories aytes, alla kai oi plhrofories poy feroyn ton Prwqypoyrgo apofasismeno na proxwrhsei kai se kapoies allages se o,ti afora proswpa, sto komma@;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn prwinh syskech mas, sthn opoia anafereste, prepei na eimai kathgorhmatikos: Syzhthsame qemata poy exoyn sxesh me th drasthriopoihsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to programma toy. Den syzhthsame alla qemata. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema sto opoio anafereste, o Prwqypoyrgos qa einai ikanopoihmenos otan exoyme qetika apotelesmata stis kybernhtikes prwtoboylies gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites. Asfalws, h eikona h opoia exei dhmioyrghqei gia to PASOK den einai h kalyterh kai adikei thn oysia. Antilambaneste oti ayth h eikona den mporei na apotelesei phgh xaras kai ikanopoihshs. Ola ayta ta qemata, omws, sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn toy Kinhmatos, ta antimetwpizoyn ta armodia organa, me ta stelexh poy metexoyn sta organa ayta.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, den yfistatai qema allagwn;

REPPAS: H apanthsh poy edwsa htan plhrhs. Den qa milhsw egw gia xeirismoys poy qa ginoyn entos twn organwn toy Kinhmatos. Poly perissotero, na anakoinwsw apofaseis poy den jerw an yparxoyn. Giati peri aytoy prokeitai. Ayto me kaleite na kanw.

KARGOYDH: Ta prwta sxolia ths kybernhshs gia tis gioygkoslabikes ekloges, poia einai;

REPPAS: Apo tis plhrofories poy exoyme, h eklogikh diadikasia fainetai oti ejelixqhke omala, xwris fainomena ta opoia na dinoyn labh gia thn askhsh amfisbhthshs ws pros to apotelesma. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exei oloklhrwqei h katametrhsh. To apotelesma den einai se gnwsh mas. Ara, qa anamenoyme na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia.

PAPPA: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis apoceis toy k. Tzannh oti an den lhfqoyn amesws metra, ta diaplekomena qa exoyn tis dikes toys koinoboyleytikes omades;

REPPAS: Epeidh milhsa me ton k. Tzannh kai gnwrizw th synenteyjh toy se topikh efhmerida, prepei na pw oti oi prwtoboylies poy exei parei h kybernhsh -kai tis exei parei egkairws- exoyn dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio, to opoio mporei na mh dinei pantote, gia polloys logoys, ta apotelesmata poy epiqymoyme, alla, en pash periptwsei, h kybernhsh synexizei na lambanei prwtoboylies, na beltiwnei ayto to plaisio. Pisteyw oti den yparxei oysiastikos antilogos se aytes tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs. Yparxei mono mia kataggeltikh politikh stash, h opoia einai atekmhriwth kai den einai tipota allo, para apotelesma mikrokommatikhs skopimothtas. Ayto einai fanero. Anaferomai, twra, me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, fer` eipein, sth shmerinh kritikh toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy, gia to nomosxedio poy afora to ESR. Prokyptei apo ta osa eipe, ta opoia exw plhroforhqei apo synadelfoys sas, oti oles oi aitiaseis toy einai prosxhmatikes. O tropos me ton opoio milhse o Proedros toy Synaspismoy apodeiknyei oti to komma toy den epiqymei mia anejarthth arxh. Epiqymei to ESR na einai ena diakommatiko organo. Diafwnoyme se ayto.

SOYRMELH: Sxetika me ena arqro toy "Ependyth", toy Sabbatoy, doryforos ths EYP kataskopeyei ta MME. Me ena hlektroniko kentro Typoy enhmerwnei apeyqeias ton Prwqypoyrgo gia ta kakoboyla sxolia toy jenoy Typoy. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an alhqeyoyn ayta kai epishs, giati leei oti "kaqe prwi o dioikhths ths yphresias, armodioi kybernhtikoi paragontes kai synergazomenoi me thn EYP ajiwmatikoi exoyn sto ejhs th dynatothta na enhmerwnontai akomh kai mesa sto aytokinhto toys gia tis eidhseis ths teleytaias stigmhs, efoson metadidontai apo "anoiktes phges" sto ejwteriko kai endiaferoyn amesa thn Ellada". Ti ennoei me ayto to "anoiktes phges"; Dhladh, h kataskopeysh ginetai molis steiloyme thn eidhsh h meta, afoy exei epistrecei;

REPPAS: Giati ola ayta ta pairnete ws dedomena; Qa moy epitrecete, omws, gia logoys eyqynhs, na apofygw na mpw se mia tetoia syzhthsh. Den einai dynato, qemata poy aforoyn thn EYP, na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na epistrecw sta gioygkoslabika kai na sas rwthsw, ean gnwrizete, stelexh ths kybernhshs h toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ean exoyn erqei se epafh, xqes to brady h shmera to prwi, me stelexh ths gioygkoslabikhs kybernhshs h ths gioygkoslabikhs antipoliteyshs.

REPPAS: Thn epikoinwnia ayth thn exoyn oi diplwmatikes arxes ths xwras mas sto Beligradi. Gnwrizete oti einai ekei parontes o k. Papoylias kai alloi boyleytes apo to Ellhniko Koinoboylio poy exoyn kanei sxetikes dhlwseis, tis opoies exete ypoch sas. Den yparxei opoiadhpote allh epikoinwnia. Sas eipa oti ayth thn wra eimaste sth fash ekeinh poy anakoinwnontai ta apotelesmata. Den yparxei opoiosdhpote logos parembashs, epikoinwnias, giati ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na gnwrizoyme to teliko apotelesma.

GARGALAKOS: Jekinhse mia apergia apo toys bytioforeis poy metaferoyn ta kaysima kai anamenetai osonoypw na yparjei problhma sthn omalh promhqeia kaysimwn. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na parei kapoia metra, wste na diasfalisei ayth thn omalh promhqeia;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei labei ola ta endeiknyomena metra, prokeimenoy na exoyme mia akwlyth promhqeia ths agoras me kaysima. Pisteyoyme oti sto plaisio ayths ths krishs poy ejelissetai edw kai arketes hmeres, den qa antimetwpisoyme tetoio problhma elleichs kaysimwn. Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs sto EKOFIN poy qa synedriasei thn erxomenh Paraskeyh. Qa einai ekei kai o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn G. Papantwnioy. Oson afora thn apergia, pisteyw oti qa prepei oi kinhtopoioymenoi, me aisqhma koinwnikhs eyqynhs apenanti stoys sympolites toys, na kanoyn tis epiloges toys. Yparxoyn kapoia aisiodoja mhnymata, afoy gnwrizete oti bainei meioymenh h timh toy petrelaioy. Hdh, einai katw apo ta 30 dolaria kata bareli. Nomizw oti einai ena poly kalo mhnyma. Parakoloyqoyme apo konta pws ejelissontai ta pragmata kai exoyme epikoinwnia me toys endiaferomenoys. Qa kanoyme o,ti prepei. Pisteyoyme oti einai akairo na probainoyme se kinhtopoihseis poy dhmioyrgoyn terastia problhmata. Poly perissotero, otan o xeirismos twn qematwn aytwn mporei na odhghsei -to elpizoyme kai ayto prospaqoyme- syntoma se apotelesmata, wste na mh xreiazetai na ginei opoiadhpote kinhtopoihsh.

ALEJAKH: Prohgoymenws, otan rwthqhkate gia ton k. Tzannh, kanate logo gia kataggeltikh politikh kai mikrokommatikes skopimothtes. To Sabbatokyriako diabazontas tis efhmerides, eida oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei oti eyqynh exei h ejoysia gia to qema ths diaplokhs. O k. Papandreoy zhta na mpei "to maxairi sto kokalo" kai o k. Papantwnioy leei oti yparxei problhma me th diaplokh. Anarwtiemai, loipon, aytes oi synenteyjeis poy anagnwrizoyn oti yparxei problhma h poy zhtoyn prosqeta metra, entassontai se ayto to plaisio twn mikrokommatikwn skopimothtwn kai ths kataggeltikhs politikhs; Ti akribws einai;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxei se oles tis synenteyjeis h dhlwseis poy anaferqhkate opoiadhpote kataggelia kata ths kybernhshs. Ara, skopimws kanete mia sygxysh taytishs twn topoqethsewn aytwn me tis kataggelies paragontwn ths antipoliteyshs. Den prepei na to kanete ayto. Deyteron, ola ayta ta qemata, opws gnwrizete, antimetwpizontai apo thn kybernhsh me to plaisio poy isxyei gia kaqe tomea. Eimaste etoimoi na akoysoyme protaseis. Qa diapistwsete oti se oloys toys tomeis, tis prwtoboylies tis exei parei h kybernhsh mas. H egkaqidrysh kanonwn kai arxwn leitoyrgias se polloys tomeis gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn fainomenwn, ofeiletai se nomoqetikes kai dioikhtikes prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs. Den exoyme akoysei kapoia protash, peran ths kataggelias apo thn antipoliteysh. H politikh, omws, opws gnwrizete, den ginetai me aytoys toys oroys, giati h antipoliteysh exei thn polyteleia na einai paroysa mono me to logo ths, o opoios einai eyryxwros. Mporei na einai logos sympaqhs pros oloys. Mporei na einai kai me th syntexnia kai me to problhma, arkei na einai enantion ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh, omws, den exei ayth thn polyteleia. H kybernhsh einai paroysa me thn apofash ths kai thn ypografh ths. Prepei na antimetwpizei sthn prajh ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn koinwnia kai toys polites. Ayth einai h diafora. Kai pisteyw -ayto edeije allwste h prosfath laikh etymhgoria- oti h kybernhsh mas antimetwpizei ikanopoihtika, qetika ta problhmata ayta. Pantote yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Alla yparxei megalh diafora apo to na diatypwnetai mia kritikh gia ta apotelesmata ths prospaqeias mas, mexri sto na diatypwnetai mia kataggelia gia dhqen eyqynes poy exei h kybernhsh ston tomea ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Tzannhs, sthn antipoliteysh anhkei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

SOYRMELH: H apanthsh poy dwsate sthn erwthsh moy afhnei polla kena, giati to arqro dhmosieyqhke kai etsi ki alliws, yparxei ena qema, anejarthta an mporeite h den mporeite na to sxoliasete. Sas rwtw aplws na moy peite an einai alhqeia h oxi.

REPPAS: Sas lew eyqews oti qemata poy aforoyn thn EYP den mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs. H sygkekrimenh yphresia exei sygkekrimenh eqnikh apostolh. Einai poly eyaisqhth h leitoyrgia poy exei kai antilambaneste pws den mporei na apotelesei ayto antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs.

SOYRMELH: Ayto einai epibebaiwsh.

REPPAS: Den einai kamia epibebaiwsh. Einai apofygh opoioydhpote sxoliasmoy h opoiasdhpote syzhthshs gia qemata poy aforoyn thn EYP. Eimai safhs.

Sas eyxaristw.


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