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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-09-27

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Septembrioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ekfrazoyme thn odynh, th syntribh mas gia to qanato toswn synanqrwpwn mas. Ayth h naytikh tragwdia sygklonizei thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ekfrazoyme ta syllyphthria mas stis oikogeneies, stoys oikeioys twn anqrwpwn poy xaqhkan kai agnooyntai. Diabebaiwnoyme oti qa kanoyme ta panta, prokeimenoy na ginoyn ereynes, na elegxqoyn oi pantes kai ta panta kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes, giati fainetai pws yparxoyn eyqynes.

Symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exoyme mexri ayth th stigmh @ta anaferw me epifylajh giati syxna ginontai diploeggrafes k.t.l.- exoyn diaswqei 471 epibates, exoyn xasei th zwh toys 45, agnooyntai 10. Metajy twn diaswqentwn perilambanontai 55 allodapoi polites. Sto ploio epebainan synolika 526 atoma. Oi 463 htan epibates, 63 atoma htan to plhrwma toy ploioy, symfwna me to sxetiko prwtokollo kai h dynamikothta toy ploioy htan gia 1.100 atoma.

H tragwdia ayth egine anoikta ths Paroy, se apostash 1,5 milioy. To ploio prosekroyse sth braxonhsida ``Portes'', h opoia diaqetei faro, o opoios einai oratos se apostash peripoy 7 miliwn.

Epanalambanw oti ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh mia megalh prospaqeia gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn kai kyriws gia ton entopismo kai th diaswsh twn agnooymenwn. Kai bebaiws, qa akoloyqhsei h ereyna kai o elegxos gia tis synqhkes ayths ths tragwdias. Epanalambanw, qa elegxqoyn oi pantes kai ta panta kai qa apodoqoyn eyqynes.

O ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias einai sthn Paro. Htan olo to brady sto qalamo epixeirhsewn me thn hgesia toy Limenikoy Swmatos. Sthn Paro einai kai o arxhgos toy Limenikoy Swmatos, kaqws kai o ypoyrgos Aigaioy, prokeimenoy na syntonisoyn, na symballoyn sth diekperaiwsh olwn twn aparaithtwn energeiwn gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy exoyn prokycei.

Qelw na kanw, epishs, dyo sxolia gia alla qemata. An qelete na rwthsete ep` aytoy, akoyw tis erwthseis sas, parakalwntas na thrhqei mia seira, dioti oloi antilambaneste oti eimaste sygkinhmenoi kai fortismenoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti yparxoyn eyqynes, eiste bebaios oti yparxoyn eyqynes. Peste mas, mexri stigmhs, poy exoyn entopistei aytes oi eyqynes; Giati deijate mia bebaiothta.

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio mporw na pw, ayth thn wra, einai toyto kai eimai safhs: Den exoyn jekinhsei oi diadikasies elegxoy, oi ereynes dhladh, prokeimenoy na entopistoyn eyqynes kai na apodoqoyn. Eipa kai epanalambanw, oti fainetai na yparxoyn eyqynes. Kai fainetai na yparxoyn eyqynes, giati, opws ki an ejetazetai to qema, mia tetoia tragwdia prokyptei epeidh yparxei kapoios logos. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, ayto poy prokyptei, ayto poy einai gnwsto stis armodies yphresies, einai prwton, oti to ploio den paroysiase kapoia mhxanikh blabh kai deyteron, oti to ploio eixe ypostei oloys toys endedeigmenoys elegxoys kai eixe ejasfalisei ta aparaithta pistopoihtika gia to oti einai ajioploo. Qa prepei, loipon, na ginoyn oi ereynes gia na gnwrizoyme poioi einai aytoi poy exoyn eyqynes. Giati, epanalambanw, fainetai oti yparxoyn eyqynes. Mexri tote, prepei na meinoyme se ayto to shmeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoi oi opoioi edwsan se ayto to karabi -giati apo o,ti diapistwnetai, molis xtyphse esbhsan ta fwta- thn adeia, ayto to elegjan; Eixe problefqei; Yphrxan ta swstika mesa, mesa se ayto to karabi; Giati yparxoyn polla ta opoia @

REPPAS: Qetete mia erwthsh me tropo o opoios, qa moy epitrecete na pw, odhgei se ena lanqasmeno symperasma. Ti na elegjoyn; An se periptwsh proskroyshs toy ploioy se braxonhsida qa sbhsoyn h oxi ta fwta; Ayto to opoio sas lew einai oti oloi oi elegxoi poy problepetai na ginontai se aytes tis periptwseis, prokeimenoy ta ploia na dromologhqoyn, eixan ginei kai eixan ejasfalistei ta aparaithta pistopoihtika.

Epeidh omws -briskw aformh th dikh sas erwthsh na to kanw ayto to sxolio- polla legontai apo armodioys kai kyriws apo anarmodioys, apo ajiopistoys alla kai anajiopistoys paragontes, ayth thn wra qelw na eimaste oloi cyxraimoi kai sygkrathmenoi. Giati, to na bgainoyme akaira kai prowra kai na miloyme me tetoia kathgorhmatikothta, deixnei peran ths epipolaiothtas kai asebeia, qa moy epitrecete na pw, pros ta qymata. Edw, pragmatika miloyme gia mia tragwdia. Prepei na yparxei endelexhs elegxos, na xyqei apleto fws kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes, efoson diapistwqei oti kapoioi exoyn eyqynes. Mexri tote, sas parakalw na apofygoyme na syzhtoyme me ayto ton eykolo tropo, o opoios einai se plhrh anantistoixia me th sobarothta toy qematos poy mas apasxolei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai eykolos o tropos. Exoyme mia tragwdia, exoyme tosa qymata kai exoyme kai ta gegonota poy deixnoyn oti to karabi ayto den eprepe na exei parei adeia kai na paizete h zwh xiliadwn@

REPPAS: Afhste aytoys toys laikismoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati na toys afhsw;

REPPAS: Tajideyoyn ekatommyria polites me ploia stis grammes toy Aigaioy kai ta tajidia einai asfalh. Den qa ypokatasthsoyme tis armodies yphresies. Yparxoyn yphresies, yparxoyn empeirognwmones poy exoyn ayto to kaqhkon. Ekanan elegxoys kai ejedwsan kapoia pistopoihtika. Epanalambanw oti ola ayta qa elegxqoyn. Den yparxei kapoios allos, peran twn armodiwn yphresiwn, o opoios qa analambane to ergo, na elegxei ta ploia kai na ekdidei pistopoihtika. Poios qa to kanei ayto; H kybernhsh, ta kybernhtika stelexh; Yparxoyn yphresies oi opoies leitoyrgoysan poly prin analabei kaqhkonta ayth h kybernhsh kai qa leitoyrgoyn esaei. Ta stelexh aytwn twn yphresiwn exoyn ayto to rolo.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh prosanatolizetai sthn anelkysh toy ploioy, oytws wste na dei olh th zhmia, to akribes to megeqos ths; Texnikws ginetai, einai efikto.

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata, metajy twn opoiwn kai to sygkekrimeno poy qetete, qa antimetwpistoyn otan oloklhrwqei to ergo sto opoio exoyn epidoqei twra, poy einai o entopismos kai h diaswsh twn agnooymenwn. Ayto einai to megalo qema. Yparxoyn proteraiothtes. Ola ta alla, epanalambanw, qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syskecewn twn armodiwn kai qa lhfqoyn oi kalyteres apofaseis.

MIXAHL: Kati to opoio afora thn kybernhsh, loipon, kai den afora tis yphresies: O tropos me ton opoio ginontai ta aktoploika tajidia sthn Ellada einai kai qema apofasewn armodiwn paragontwn. Oi paragontes aytoi den einai mono o ``X'' ypallhlos. Einai kai h ekastote hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias. Prwton, gia paradeigma, den yphrxe lista panw sto ploio. Oloi mas exoyme tajideysei, kaneis den exei lista. Mia paralhch. Rwtw, an skefteste na thn antimetwpise. Alla to lew me aformh ayto. Ws kybernhsh exete zhthsei apo thn E.E. na ejaireqoyn ta ellhnika ploia apo th genikh rhtra, poy yparxei se oles tis xwres, gia anakataskeyh sta 27 eth, me to skeptiko oti emeis sta 35 xronia -epeidh einai oi synqhkes tetoies sto Aigaio- ta aposyroyme. Na, loipon, poy ena laqos (apo poion den jerw kai ti eidoys laqos akomh den jeroyme) mas dhmioyrgei twra mia tragwdia. Rwtw, loipon, giati h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai se ayth thn kateyqynsh; Kai poio apla, epeidh eixame kai allo peristatiko: ena ploio apo ayta, ths idias kathgorias, prosekroyse sto limani ths Xioy logw kairikwn synqhkwn. Giati, loipon, ayta na mhn toys ypoxrewsete na ta aposyroyn ena xrono prin; Giati prepei na ejantlhsoyn kai ta 35 xronia;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, to erwthma sas exei logikh bash, an mazi me ayto dexqei kapoios oti h kybernhsh epiballei stis armodies yphresies, poy elegxoyn to ajioploo h mh enos ploioy, na ekdidoyn pistopoihtika ploimothtas toy ploioy. Ti einai ayto poy empodizei thn armodia yphresia na mhn ekdwsei ayto to pistopoihtiko; Na mh epitrecei, dhladh, th dromologhsh toy ploioy, akomh ki an to ploio exei mikrh hlikia. To ploio krinetai apo to an einai katallhlo h oxi. Oi elegxoi poy ginontai -epeidh tetoia mesa metaferoyn anqrwpoys- pisteyw pws prepei na einai systhmatikoi. Den exei shmasia, loipon, mono h hlikia toy ploioy. Mporei na ginei analogo atyxhma kai se ena ploio mikrhs hlikias poy tajideyei gia pente h deka xronia kai proskroyei kapoy, p.x. se braxonhsida. Ayto ti shmainei; Shmainei oti ayto mporoyme na to dexqoyme san kati anamenomeno h fysiko; Asfalws oxi. Shmasia exei na doyme an ena ploio einai katallhlo na dromologhqei h oxi. Kai sas lew oti oi sygkekrimenes yphresies, gia to ploio poy syzhtoyme, eixan ekdwsei meta apo elegxoys ta sxetika pistopoihtika. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia. To allo qema poy qetete eseis, einai genikotero kai syzhteitai sto plaisio ths E.E@.

MIXAHL: Syzhthqhke. Yparxei apofash.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, to gnwrizw. To exei qesei h Gallia, to exoyn qesei kai alles xwres kai oxi mono gia ta ploia ths aktoploias. Prepei na sas pw oti einai ena qema to opoio ``kaiei'' idiaitera thn patrida mas. Qa prepei na ananewqei o stolos. Prepei na deite ti shmainei ayto, oxi mono gia th diakinhsh twn politwn. Gia thn oikonomia twn nhsiwn h twn perioxwn poy ejyphretoyntai apo ta ploia, gia thn ergasia h telikws anergia aytwn poy shmera apasxoloyntai sta ploia. Einai ena poly synqeto problhma. Den prokeitai, bebaiws, na lhfqei apofash an me mia tetoia apofash -opoia ki an einai ayth- mporei na dhmioyrgoyntai kindynoi gia th zwh twn politwn. Gi` ayto, akribws, prepei na ginetai o aysthros elegxos apo tis yphresies gia to an ena ploio mporei na xrhsimopoieitai h oxi.

MIXAHL: Pragmati, loipon, einai eyaisqhto to problhma ayto kai @

REPPAS: Den qa hqela, omws, na kanoyme tetoioy eidoys dialogo, giati twra antallassoyme apoceis.

MIXAHL: Oxi, den antallassoyme apoceis. Egw sas metaferw apoceis, gegonota ta opoia yparxoyn. Yparxoyn kai eggrafws, mporeite na ta zhthsete.

REPPAS: Poia einai ta gegonota; Sas parakalw. Egw sas lew oti to ploio exei ta pistopoihtika, oti htan ajioploo. Einai etsi h den einai;

MIXAHL: Htan ajioploo.

REPPAS: Einai etsi h den einai, k. Mixahl;

MIXAHL: Malista, einai.

REPPAS: Ayto exei shmasia. Kai prosfata eixe ypoblhqei se texniko elegxo.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, ola ayta ta ploia, ayths ths kathgorias @kai to sygkekrimeno- einai ajioploa kai swsta oi anqrwpoi poy to elegjan, to ekrinan ajioploo, basizomai se ayto kai den qelw na to amfisbhthsw giati oi armodies limenikes kai naytiliakes arxes twn ypoloipwn 14 xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., (13 gia thn akribeia, giati mallon den exei qalassa h Aystria) den epitrepoyn se ayta ta ploia na proseggizoyn ta limania toys. Kai yparxei koinotikh apofash poy leei oti tetoia ploia mporeite na xrhsimopoieite eseis, se emas den qa erqoyn@

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola h aktoploia sth xwra mas, gnwrizete poly kala perilambanei ploia ta opoia den proseggizoyn jena limania. Deyteron, o logos poy h E.E. antimetwpizei ayto to qema sxetizetai kyriws me ta ploia poy xrhsimopoioyntai gia metafora ylikwn, prokeimenoy na apofeygontai kindynoi rypanshs.

MIXAHL: Oxi, oxi.

REPPAS: To qema to eqese h Gallia sth Synodo ths Lissabonas. Kai einai ena qema to opoio, sto plaisio ths gallikhs Proedrias, einai epikairo, dhladh, syzhteitai kai pali. Hdh, mas apasxolhse. Einai ena poly synqeto qema. Kai anefera kapoies parametroys, tis opoies prepei na exoyme ypoch mas. Afora, kyriws, ta legomena dipla toixwmata sta metaforika ploia, prokeimenoy na apofygoyn endexomenh rypansh qalasswn. Ayth h syzhthsh einai se ejelijh sthn E.E. Einai gnwsto to qema. Den miloyme gi ayto twra. Miloyme gia mia tragwdia me ena ploio, to opoio eixe elegxqei kai eixe ta pistopoihtika ths kalhs katastashs gia na dromologhqei. To ploio ayto prosekroyse se mia braxonhsida. Mexri twra, oydeis ajiopistos paragontas anaferei mhxanikh blabh h otidhpote allo mporei kaneis na xarakthrisei ws meionekthma toy ploioy. Meionekthma to opoio apetelese kai thn aitia gi ayth thn tragwdia. Alla, ola ayta qa apotelesoyn, epanalambanw, antikeimeno elegxoy.

XRYSOSTOMIDHS: Gi ayto to logo, k. Ypoyrge, den qa sas rwthsw giati den xtyphse o synagermos toy ploioy, kalyptomai apo thn apanthsh sas, oti qa elegxqoyn oi pantes kai ta panta. Qa hqela na sas qesw dyo alla erwthmata poy aforoyn to meta. Oi andres ths EMAK efqasan stis 6 to prwi ekei. Den qa mporoysan me kapoio tropo, me ta elikoptera SINOYK na exoyn fqasei nwritera ston topo ths tragwdias, tis dyo-treis prwtes krisimes wres meta to symban, opoy pragmatika @

REPPAS: Yparxoyn apanthseis gi ola ayta ta qemata. Milhsa kai me ton k. Papoytsh kai me ton Arxhgo toy Limenikoy Swmatos, oi opoioi kanoyn terastia prospaqeia. Eimaste sto pleyro toys. Prepei na pw oti olh ayth h syzhthsh poy exei dhmioyrghqei gia th xrhsimopoihsh elikopterwn egkairws, den exei bash. Gia ola ayta ta qemata qa kanei dhlwseis o k. Papoytshs. Epanalambanw -giati an apanthsw sth dikh sas erwthsh qa apanthsw kai se erwthsh alloy synadelfoy sas kai h koybenta qa parei pia mia allh troph kai enan allo xarakthra- oti gia ola ayta ta qemata , qa ginoyn anakoinwseis, qa doqoyn stoixeia, qa ginei elegxos. Menw mono se ayto. Qelw etsi na apanthsw se kaqe tetoia erwthsh.

XRYSOSTOMIDHS: Sas ikanopoiei to gegonos oti o k. Syrigos akoysthke ston aera na leei, oti ``@prospaqoysame me ton k. Ypoyrgo na epikoinwnhsoyme me ton k. Berelh, den mporesame kai mas edwsan laqos thlefwna apo ton OTE gia na milhsoyme me thn O.A. na steiloyme toys syggeneis sthn Paro;''.

REPPAS: Mia pragmatikothta eipe. An antimetwpise ayto to problhma, deixnei oti kapoies yphresies, isws, den leitoyrgoyn apotelesmatika. Asfalws, ayto mas lypei oloys. Alla, an etsi einai, einai mia anafora se mia pragmatikothta.

FILHS: To teleytaio diasthma exoyme ginei martyres dyo nayagiwn, to ena twra konta sthn Paro, gia to opoio qrhnoyme dekades zwes, to amesws prohgoymeno afhse ta apotypwmata toy sthn perioxh toy Eyboikoy. Kai stis dyo periptwseis, yparxoyn kataggelies oti ta ploia nayaghsan giati htan ``sapiokaraba''. Kai stis dyo periptwseis oi armodies yphresies toy YEN exoyn dwsei, periergws pws, ta pistopoihtika ajioploias. Ej aytoy, prokyptoyn eyqynes gia thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias;

REPPAS: Prwton, gnwrizete oti den yparxoyn yphresies toy YEN elegxomenes kaq oiondhpote tropo apo thn kybernhsh, opws peripoy to yponoeite, wste na qewreite oti ta pistopoihtika ayta ta dinoyn kapoioi ekproswpoi ths kybernhshs. Den prokeitai peri aytoy. Oi yphresies leitoyrgoyn me kanones. Deyteron, tis kataggelies gia texnika qemata den mporw na tis krinw. Pisteyw, omws, oti eysyneidhta kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den exw kanena stoixeio, to opoio na me odhgei se antiqeto symperasma. Oson afora tis kataggelies, eipa sthn arxh, oti qa prepei na eimaste poly epifylaktikoi, giati oi kataggelies diatypwnontai apo polloys paragontes. Isws den exoyn thn analogh ajiopistia oi kataggellontes. Exoyn logoys na probainoyn se aytes tis kataggelies kai ayto einai kati poy prepei na ereynhqei. Egw den aporriptw ta osa lene, abasanista, alla den qelw kai na ta yioqethsw abasanista. Ola ayta, loipon, qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs kai ereynas. Ayto den einai toy parontos.

FILHS: H erwthsh htan allh.

REPPAS: Katalaba thn erwthsh sas, alla den katalabate poia einai h apanthsh moy.

FILHS: Apanthste moy, nai h oxi, na katalabw, ean kata th gnwmh sas apo thn ejelijh twn dyo aytwn nayagiwn, prokyptei ena problhma politiko gia th leitoyrgia twn yphresiwn toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias;

REPPAS: Me ayth thn ennoia, na qewrhsoyme oti yparxei politiko problhma, genikws, gia th leitoyrgia olwn twn yphresiwn. Problhmata pantote yparxoyn kai gnwrizete kala oti stis yphresies toy ellhnikoy kratoys den exoyn dioristei kai den yphretoyn anqrwpoi ths kybernhshs. Einai syggeneis, gnwstoi, geitones olwn mas stis dhmosies yphresies. Afora thn eyqynh poy niwqei kaqe ypallhlos, thn eysyneidhsia poy exei kai ton tropo me ton opoio askei ta kaqhkonta toy, to an qa exoyme apotelesmatikes dhmosies yphresies h oxi. Bebaiws, h kybernhsh gia th leitoyrgia twn yphresiwn orizei ena plaisio kai elegxei thn efarmogh toy. Apo kei kai pera, omws, to an enas ypallhlos antapokrinetai h oxi sta kaqhkonta toy, gnwrizete kala pws einai kati poy ajiologeitai kai elegxetai me diadikasies, poy epishs, problepontai kai einai antikeimenikes.

FILHS: Apo tis kataggelies poy ginontai apo ypeyqyno proswpo@

REPPAS: Akoyste, apo proswpa kataggelies exoyn ginei. To an einai panta ypeyqyna ta proswpa, afhste to na to krinei h ereyna. Mhn eimaste toso kathgorhmatikoi, giati otan lete ``ypeyqyno proswpo kataggellei'', shmainei oti aytomatws yioqetoyme thn kataggelia. Egw qa elega na ajiologhsoyme thn kataggelia, afoy thn ereynhsoyme.

FILHS: Otan o mhxanikos toy moiraioy ploioy, mia ebdomada prin@

REPPAS: Sas lew mh biazeste.

FILHS: @esteile epistolh sto ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias@

REPPAS: Gi ayto sas lew, mporei na eixe kapoio logo, mporei na eixe kapoio kinhtro. Den qa to ereynhsoyme kai ayto. Ean exei erqei se sygkroysh me thn etaireia, an apolyqhke giati h etaireia ekrine oti den htan synephs sta kaqhkonta toy kai ej aytoy toy logoy kinoymenos, kanei mia kataggelia, ayto qa prepei na to ajiologhsoyme. Egw den aporriptw thn kataggelia, alla den qelw na thn yioqethsete. Einai ena stoixeio, to opoio qa apotelesei, metajy twn pollwn allwn, stoixeio ths ereynas.

FILHS: Otan o ploiokthths toy ploioy poy ``brwmise'' ton Eyboiko, me periergo tropo yfarpazei, leei to ypoyrgeio, stelnei anadromikws pistopoihtiko ajioploias kai oti den exei sxesh me th rypansh ayto to ploio, ayto den einai periergo; Den einai skia diafqoras;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Gi ayto akribws ola ayta prepei na ereynhqoyn. Ayto, omws, to opoio den prepei na kanoyme, einai na parameinoyme se mia genikh syzhthsh peri diafqoras, xwris na entopisoyme poioi einai oi diefqarmenoi kai poioi prepei na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys.

FILHS: Ayto einai qema ths dikaiosynhs.

REPPAS: Ayto einai antikeimeno ereynas kai ths dikaiosynhs. H kybernhsh elegxei, mesw twn diadikasiwn. H kybernhsh einai dhmokratikh, den einai aytarxikh. Exei egkaqidrysei diadikasies, oi opoies exoyn ginei sebastes kai prepei na throyntai apo oloys. Aytes tis diadikasies akoloyqoyme.

KAPPOS: Den ypeiserxomai sta ths ereynas, fantazomai oti qa kinhqei sto plaisio poy perigracate. Na epistrecoyme stis xqesinobradines wres. Epeidh, oi prwtes plhrofories kai gia arketes wres, htan oti exoyme na kanoyme men me ena atyxhma, byqisthke kapoio karabi, alla den exei toso dramatikh shmasia, san ayth h opoia apodeixqhke sth synexeia, qelw na rwthsw eyqews to ejhs: O kratikos mhxanismos pote antelhfqh, poia stigmh akribws, poia wra, to megeqos ths tragwdias;

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias, o Arxhgos toy Limenikoy Swmatos htan apo thn prwth stigmh sto qalamo twn epixeirhsewn. Kathyqynan oles tis energeies, prokeimenoy na exoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata. Einai ena stoixeio, poy mporei na pei kaneis oti einai qetiko. Swqhkan 471 polites. Einai shmantikos ariqmos aytos. Mporei na eixame qrhnhsei perissotera qymata. Kai enas anqrwpos otan xanete, bebaiws, ayto einai sygklonistiko. Alla, ayto deixnei oti kinhtopoihqhkan amesws oi yphresies. Egine o,ti htan anqrwpinws dynato na ginei, sto plaisio ths yphresias, gia na antimetwpistei to problhma. Apo thn prwth stigmh, loipon, htan sto grafeio toy o ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias me thn hgesia toy Limenikoy Swmatos sto qalamo twn epixeirhsewn kai kathyqynan tis epixeirhseis, prokeimenoy na ginei o,ti kalytero mporoyse na ginei.

KAPPOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den rwthsa akribws ayto@

REPPAS: Apo thn prwth stigmh sas lew antelhfqhsan th shmasia toy gegonotos. To ektimhsan apo thn prwth stigmh, giati apo thn prwth stigmh@

KAPPOS: Profanws, otan yparxei ena nayagio, oloi kinhtopoioyntai apo thn prwth stigmh. To zhthma einai, pote katalaban sto ypoyrgeio, epeidh exoyme teleiws diaforetikes plhrofories apo toys synadelfoys poy kalyptoyn to naytiliako reportaz, oti to megeqos ths tragwdias htan tetoio kai, en telei, h apostash Paros-Aqhna den einai kai kamia terastia apostash.

REPPAS: H apostash ths braxonhsidas apo thn Paro einai enamish mili. Dhladh, se poly ligh wra to ploio qa efqane sto limani. Kai ekeinh th stigmh synebh to moiraio. Epanalambanw, ola ayta qa ta antimetwpisoyme sto plaisio ths ereynas.

KAPPOS: Mas dwsate enan ariqmo epibatwn, 463. Eiste bebaios oti einai akribhs aytos o ariqmos; Erwtw, gia to ejhs logo@

REPPAS: Jerw giati rwtate, mporei na yparxoyn mikra paidia gia ta opoia den ekdidetai eisithrio, otan exoyn hlikia mikroterh twn epta xronwn@

KAPPOS: Akribws.

REPPAS: Ekei yparxei mia epifylajh, alla den mporoyme na milhsoyme gia atoma ta opoia den einai katagegrammena. Ola ta alla qa prokycoyn. Ayth th stigmh, ginetai mia prospaqeia na enhmerwqoyn oi katoikoi ths Paroy, ean kapoioi exoyn bgei kai exoyn diaswqei kai enw qewroyntai agnooymenoi kai exoyn paei sta spitia toys, na to dhlwsoyn. Ayta ola ta antimetwpizoyn ekei oi dynameis poy exoyn analabei ayto to dyskolo ergo.

KAPPOS: Yparxei ena peraiterw problhma panw se ayth th bash. Giati yparxei to hlektroniko systhma krathshs eisithriwn, to opoio ekdidei akomh anwnyma eisithria; Kai deytero, to diaxeirizontai idiwtes. Den to diaxeirizetai to Limeniko Swma, oyte to Dhmosio.

REPPAS: Opws kai se alla krath.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Dyo erwthseis qelw na sas qesw. H mia afora ton ariqmo twn qymatwn. Peripoy, prin apo 45 lepta, ligo protoy arxisei h enhmerwsh apo esas, topikoi paragontes ths Paroy, opws o Antidhmarxos k. Loykhs@

REPPAS: Gi ayto eipa, miloyn polloi armodiws, alla kai anarmodiws.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: To iatriko kentro ths Paroy dinei perissotera qymata.

REPPAS: Mh biazeste. Ta stoixeia ta opoia sas anefera, ta exw sth diaqesh moy apo ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias kai ton Arxhgo toy Limenikoy me ton opoio milhsa liga lepta prin katebw sthn aiqoysa, gia na exw thn pleon epikairh enhmerwsh. Ta stoixeia ayta antapokrinontai sta dedomena ths stigmhs, kata thn opoia milhsa me toys armodioys.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kati allo qa hqela na sas rwthsw. Ploia analoga kai analoghs hlikias kai paromoias katastashs me to moiraio ploio, kykloforoyn polla sthn ellhnikh aktoploia;

REPPAS: Mh milhsoyme twra genikws gia thn politikh ston tomea ths Emporikhs Naytilias.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei enan eyrytero elegxo, pera apo ton elegxo poy qa kanei gia ta aitia toy tragikoy dystyxhmatos, sta ploia poy kata ta alla feroyn pistopoihtika oti einai ajioploa, alla, en pash periptwsei, h koinh gnwmh exei thn aisqhsh oti kati den paei kala me ta ploia;

REPPAS: H apoch poy exei h koinh gnwmh einai oti, ejasfalizoyme synqhkes asfaleias, giati ekatommyria polites diakinoyntai kaqe xrono, epi polla xronia, se oles aytes tis grammes.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Yparxei skech gia enan eyrytero elegxo;

REPPAS: Oloi oi baqmoi elegxoy, ayth thn wra, xrhsimopoioyntai kai odhgoyn sthn ekdosh kapoiwn pistopoihtikwn.

BITSENTZOY: Ta pistopoihtika ajioploias ta ekdidei o nhognwmonas;

REPPAS: Oxi mono o nhognwmonas. O nhognwmonas asxoleitai kyriws me ton emporiko stolo. To ergo ayto to kanei h epiqewrhsh twn emporikwn ploiwn toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias.

BITSENTZOY: Exei apasxolhsei pote kapoion ypoyrgo Naytilias to gegonos oti o nhognwmonas einai o teleytaios sth lista ajiopistias;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti oi diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai sth xwra mas einai analoges me aytes poy akoloyqoyn alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Anagnwrizoyn allwste ennea nhognwmones.

BITALHS: Apantwntas prohgoymenws se synadelfo, eipate oti o ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias, o arxhgos toy GEN kai alloi paragontes, htan apo thn arxh poy shmeiwqhke to epeisodio sto qalamo epixeirhsewn, peripoy stis enteka para. Mexri th 01.00, poy sta deltia eidhsewn oloi eidame kai tis plhrofories poy eixame epishmws apo to GEN, den dinotan ayth h diastash. Dhladh, oti yparxei mia proskroysh, oti apobibasthke kanonika o kosmos k.t.l. To erwthma einai, meta apo ola ayta poy exoyn symbei kai ta tosa qymata, pote sxhmatisthke ektimhsh gia thn ektash aytoy toy symbantos.

REPPAS: Apo thn prwth stigmh. Kai qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti, xqes to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos milhse me ton k. Papoytsh, opws kai egw milhsa me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton k. Papoytsh. Ayto egine prin apo tis 24.00, kai apo ekeinh thn wra pragmatika eixame mia eikona gia thn tragwdia. Eixan ajiologhsei, to megeqos toy symbantos, oti prokeitai gia mia tragwdia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai den to elegan. Treis wres meta, den eixe eipwqei tetoio pragma.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Egw milhsa me ton k. Papoytsh, o opoios moy eipe oti oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias organwsan thn enhmerwsh kai prospaqhsan na dwsoyn stoixeia stoys syggeneis kai gnwstoys, oi opoioi hqelan plhrofories kai phgan sto ypoyrgeio, molis plhroforhqhkan to symban.

BITALHS: An eixe sxhmatistei ayth h eikona apo toys armodioys paragontes poy xeiristhkan ekeinh thn wra to qema, peripoy stis 24.00 opws lete ki eseis, giati yphrje olh ayth h argoporia sth diaswsh;

REPPAS: Kamia argoporia. Giati h diaswsh enos megaloy ariqmoy epibatwn den mporoyse na prokycei alliws, para mono meta kai apo th syntonismenh prospaqeia twn yphresiwn.

MAYRIDHS: Sth diarkeia toy kalokairioy eixame 25 atyxhmata se ploia ths en logw etairias. Metajy aytwn kai mia pyrkagia. Arxise mia ereyna. To qema einai, an exei oloklhrwqei ayth h ereyna@

REPPAS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite stis armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias. Ayta einai qemata eidikoy reportaz.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Papoytshs qa parameinei sto ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, meta apo ayth thn tragwdia;

REPPAS: O k. Papoytshs synexizei to ergo toy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai politikos poy exei aisqhma eyqynhs, giati polla peristatika antimetwpise sth mexri twra qhteia toy. Apo thn prwth stigmh, breqhke sto metwpo toy kaqhkontos, se opoio problhma ki an proekyce mexri twra. Htan pantote parwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai meta thn 8wrh kaqysterhsh;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ekdoxh.

Qelw, epishs, na anaferqw sth xqesinh syzhthsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs gia to nomosxedio poy afora to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs. H syzhthsh eprokeito na synexistei shmera. H Boylh apofasise na mh synedriasei shmera, logw ths naytikhs tragwdias kai etsi h syzhthsh qa synexistei ayrio.

Epeidh, omws, blepw se dhmosieymata efhmeridwn diafora sxolia h kai thn anafora toy k. Mhtsotakh se synafh qemata, me epistolh toy sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', qelw na pw oti h xqesinh syzhthsh htan, kata thn apoch moy, qetikh, giati opws eixa zhthsei, ta kommata dexqhkan na diatypwsoyn protaseis epi ths oysias pleon twn diatajewn toy nomosxedioy. Den akoloyqhqhke mia stash poy eixan ekdhlwsei, otan syzhthsame enan allo nomo kai ayto einai poly qetiko.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti apo thn prwth stigmh ths paroysiashs aytoy toy nomosxedioy, eixa diatypwsei th qesh oti den eimaste dogmatikoi, tipota den einai qesfato, emeis proxwroyme sthn peraiterw anabaqmish toy ESR kai gia qemata poy aforoyn th sygkrothsh toy Organoy h tis armodiothtes toy, eimaste etoimoi na dexqoyme protaseis. Se epibebaiwsh aytwn poy lew shmera, anaferw ta osa eipa sth syzhthsh, stis 20 Septembrioy. Eixa pei epi lejei ta ejhs:

``Den eimaste dogmatikoi, toylaxiston egw proswpika eimai etoimos na dexqw mia allagh se ayth th ryqmish, gia ton aploystato logo oti den hqela, efoson ekeinh th stigmh eimai ypoyrgos Typoy, na katartisw enan tetoio katalogo. Den dexetai eykola kapoios -kai den xaritologw, milw pragmatika- na mpei se enan katalogo, an den einai bebaios oti qa eklegei. Kai bebaia, enas tetoios katalogos katartizetai pantote meta apo diaboyleyseis me ta kommata kai alloys foreis poy exoyn logo epi twn synafwn qematwn. Apelqetw ap` emoy to pothrion toyto''.

Anaferomai se dhmosieymata ths epomenhs hmeras, 21 Septembrioy: H efhmerida ``Eleyqerotypia'' egrace: ``Dexomaste protaseis. O ypoyrgos Typoy gia thn protash sygkrothshs toy ESR, meta th dhmosiopoihsh toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy''. H efhmerida to ``EQNOS'', thn idia hmera egrace: ``As syntajei allos th lista. Reppas: O ypoyrgos Typoy apedwse tis kathgories meridas toy Typoy se agnoia kai prosqese oti h ryqmish gia toys 18 mporei na allajei''. H efhmerida ``Ejoysia'', thn idia hmera, 21 Septembrioy, egrace: ``Apelqetw to pothrion toy ESR, leei o Reppas''.

Ta anaferw ayta, giati apo thn prwth stigmh, kata thn paroysiash toy nomosxedioy sto Zappeio, alla kai kata tis syzhthseis poy eginan en tw metajy, eixa diatypwsei ayth th qesh. Epeidh blepw -kai yparxei, bebaiws, panta mia diafora fashs metajy twn politikwn syntaktwn, twn syntaktwn toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz kai toy radiothleoptikoy reportaz- oti yparxei mia elleich syntonismoy, apo thn prwth stigmh, loipon, eixa diatypwsei ayth th qesh. Ara, den dikaiologeitai opoiosdhpote isxyrismos gia anadiplwsh h otidhpote allo. Giati, emeis epiqymoyme -to eipa dyo fores kai xqes- o tropos sygkrothshs toy ESR na apotelesei ton piloto kai ton odhgo gia th sygkrothsh olwn twn anejarthtwn arxwn poy qa katoxyrwqoyn kai syntagmatika. Metajy aytwn einai kai to ESR.

Epishs, xqes, anefera ton tropo me ton opoio alles xwres ths E.E. kai oxi mono, sygkrotoyn tis antistoixes yphresies. Sth M. Bretania, to Symboylio sygkroteitai me apofash toy idioy toy ypoyrgoy. Diorizetai apo ton ypoyrgo. Sthn Irlandia, diorizetai apo thn kybernhsh. Sthn Ollandia, diorizetai me basiliko diatagma, meta apo eishghsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. Sthn Kypro diorizetai apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Stis HPA, apo ton Proedro ths kybernhshs. Ston Kanada, apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Sth Gallia, apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, kata to 1/3, apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs, kata to 1/3 kai apo ton Proedro ths Geroysias, kata to 1/3. Einai 9meles. Stis HPA kai sth Gallia, miloyme gia Proedro, o opoios bebaiws anhkei sthn ektelestikh ejoysia, afoy eklegetai apeyqeias apo to lao. Sth Norbhgia, o epikefalhs ths Arxhs epilegetai apo ton ypoyrgo. Ispania, Filandia kai Soyhdia den diaqetoyn anejarthtes arxes. Ayto, bebaiws, den shmainei oti den einai dhmokratikes xwres.

Ta anaferw ola ayta, gia na deite oti stis pio shmantikes xwres ths Eyrwphs, alla kai oloklhroy toy kosmoy -kai prosqetw kai thn Iapwnia, peran twn HPA kai toy Kanada- h antistoixh arxh diorizetai apeyqeias apo thn kybernhsh. Ena shmeio to opoio apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs einai to an to Symboylio qa einai pragmati anejarthth arxh h diakommatiko organo. Giati, apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs epanerxetai estw kai emmesws h protash na einai ta kommata ekeina poy qa ypodeiknyoyn ta melh toy ESR. Ta kommata exoyn logo. Alla ta kommata, den exoyn ekproswpoys sto Symboylio, giati an eixan den qa miloysame gia anejarthth arxh, qa miloysame gia diakommatikh epitroph. Ara, loipon, an qeloyme na sygkrothsoyme mia anejarthth arxh, me tropo o opoios qa sygkentrwsei thn yposthrijh olwn twn kommatwn, qa prepei na skefqoyme panw se ayto to qema. Emeis katalhjame se mia protash, meta apo pollh meleth. Prepei na pw oti, xqes, diatypwqhkan protaseis apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, tis opoies kai emeis eixame skefqei kai eixame symperilabei se prosxedia. Eimaste anoiktoi se aytes tis protaseis. Milwntas de kai edw -gia na epibebaiwsw akomh toy logoy to alhqes- thn wra toy briefing (21.9), sas eipa, epishs: ``To problhma, loipon, den einai ayto. Einai peri onoy skias h syzhthsh poy ginetai. Qa apogohteyqoyn opoioi oikodomhsoyn thn kritikh toys panw se tetoioys isxyrismoys. Parabiazoyn anoiktes portes''. Giati blepw, shmera, se dhmosieymata -kai ekfrazw gi` ayto ena parapono- oti anagkasthka na kanw pisw, oti anadiplwqhka, oti dexqhka epiqesh apo oloys kai diafora tetoia. Ma, th dikh mas protash syzhtoyn oloi. Kai oi protaseis poy erxontai sas lew oti ginontai apo mas dektes pros syzhthsh. Giati qeloyme mia omofwnh sthrijh toy ESR kai ws pros ton tropo sygkrothshs toy, ths epiloghs twn melwn toy.

Kleinw, legontas oti to nomosxedio ayto arxisame na to katartizoyme prin apo tis ekloges. Meta tis ekloges -epeidh ginetai logos kai askeitai kritikh gia to xrono katartishs kai kataqeshs toy nomosxedioy- yparxoyn polla dhmosieymata, ta opoia einai sth diaqesh sas, poy anaferontai se genikes grammes, se aythn akribws th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs. Den yparxei, loipon, tipota poy na dikaiologei ayth thn ypocia oti espeysmena proxwroyme sthn kataqesh aytoy toy nomosxedioy.

Ayta, gia thn apokatastash ths alhqeias. An exete erwthseis, sas akoyw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta lete kai gia ton k. Benizelo ayta; Giati kai o k. Benizelos antedrase, xqes, sth syzhthsh.

REPPAS: Prwton, den hsastan sthn aiqoysa kai deyteron@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew apo o,ti diabazw.

REPPAS: Eidate, loipon; Eseis qewreite oti ayta ta opoia dhmosieyontai@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti ekana laqos@

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma. O k. Benizelos anaferqhke sth synennohsh poy eixame, giati pragmati eixame synennohqei. Kai prepei na sas pw, oti kalo einai -kai prepei na to kanete osoi endiafereste- na anazhthsete ta praktika ths xqesinhs syzhthshs gia na bgalete ta symperasmata sas. Afhste ayta poy lew egw, afhste ayta poy anaferontai se dhmosieymata. An exete pragmatika toso megalo endiaferon, mporeite na prostrejete sta praktika ths syzhthshs kai tote na epanelqoyme sto qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi synadelfoi toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz grafoyn cemata gia ton k. Benizelo;

REPPAS: Ayto den to lew egw, to lete eseis. O k. Benizelos eipe oti eimaste se synennohsh kai diatypwse mia allh protash, mia parallagh, thn opoia den dexomai. Den dexomai, dhladh, na yparxei katalogos kai apo ton ypoyrgo, o opoios qa symplhrwnetai. Qewrw oti ayth den einai mia swsth protash kai ayto eipa, xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, ta eipate xqes ayta.

REPPAS: Ekei diatypwqhkan polles apoceis. H syzhthsh gia th sygkrothsh toy ESR anoije, kata to koinws legomeno, kai diatypwqhkan polles apoceis. Giati emeis qeloyme na akoystoyn oles oi apoceis kai na katalhjoyme omofwnws se mia ryqmish.

FILHS: O k. Mhtsotakhs, sthn epistolh toy sta ``NEA'' shmera, opoy apanta sthn kritikh toy kata toy k. Alibizatoy, diatypwnei thn ektimhsh oti o k. Benizelos eixe symfwnhsei kata th syzhthsh ths diadikasias anaqewrhshs oti prepei h Boylh na eklegei tis anejarthtes arxes, alla apo o,ti leei o k. Mhtsotakhs, ayto prosekroyse stoys sklhropyrhnikoys toy PASOK kai se sas.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, o k. Benizelos exei diatypwsei thn eishghsh toy, ws eishghths ths pleiochfias, gia ta qemata ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs, se ena biblio to opoio exei ekdoqei. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, toy tropoy sygkrothshs twn anejarthtwn arxwn poy qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs sthn Epitroph, otan syzhthqei to arqro 101 toy Syntagmatos, h diatypwsh sthn prwth eishghsh, pragmati, den egine dekth apo thn Epitroph gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. H protash poy perilambanetai sto nomosxedio den einai ayth h opoia exei aporrifqei. Den einai ayth poy eixe eishghqei tote o k. Benizelos. Einai allh. Kai emeis mporoysame na kanoyme dyo pragmata: @H qa kataqetame ena nomosxedio, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme thn peraiterw anabaqmish toy ESR, katargwntas ton mexri twra yfistameno elegxo nomimothtas gia na leitoyrgei apolytws aytonoma xwris kamia dikh mas emplokh, na kataqetame, dhladh, ena tetoio nomosxedio xwris na perilambanoyme diatajeis gia th sygkrothsh toy Organoy, pragma to opoio pisteyw oti den htan orqo h na kataqesoyme ena plhres nomosxedio poy qa exei diatajeis kai gia th sygkrothsh toy Organoy kai ayto kaname gia thn artiothta toy nomosxedioy. Taytoxrona, dhlwsame apo thn prwth stigmh oti eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme kai alles protaseis, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme se mia omofwnh qesh gia ton tropo sygkrothshs toy ESR, wste aytos o tropos sygkrothshs na apotelesei ton odhgo gia th sygkrothsh kai twn allwn anejarthtwn arxwn. Se ayth th fash eimaste twra. Sas to eipa apo thn prwth stigmh. O k. Mhtsotakhs, profanws, den diabase @oxi ayta poy lew sto briefing- ayta poy egracan oi efhmerides. Apo thn prwth stigmh ta eipa ayta. Deite kai tis efhmerides ekeinhs ths hmeras. Epeidh ola ayta katagrafontai kai etsi grafetai h istoria, gia na eimaste mesa sta pragmata.

FILHS: Xqes, sas eixa pei oti to nomosxedio, symfwna me ayta poy eixate pei sto Zappeio, problepei akomh kai me sxetikh pleiochfia h armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs na diorizei ta melh toy ESR. Moy eipate oti ayto einai laqos. Anetreja sthn eishghsh sas sto Zappeio kai to lete akribws etsi. Den yparxei, omws, sto nomosxedio poy syzhteitai shmera sth Boylh. Allaje se merikes hmeres. Gia poio logo to allajate;

REPPAS: Gia enan aploystato logo: Apo thn prwth stigmh eipame, h sygkrothsh mias tetoias arxhs na ginei me th megalyterh dynath synainesh. Alla, bebaiws, mesa apo diadikasies anazhthshs eyryterhs synaineshs, den mporei na odhghqoyme se mh sygkrothsh Organoy. Prepei na odhghqoyme se sygkrothsh. Eipame, loipon, oti qa prepei, epidiwkontas thn eyryterh synainesh, na ejasfalisoyme tis dikleides ekeines poy qa odhgoyn sth dhmioyrgia ths Arxhs. H ryqmish ayth, pragmati, peri sxetikhs pleiochfias, den perilhfqhke, telikws, sto nomosxedio, giati qewrhsame oti, paramenontas sthn apolyth pleiochfia, antimetwpizoyme to problhma poy eprepe na antimetwpisoyme. Ejasfalizoyme, dhladh, th sygkrothsh toy Symboylioy. Apo ekei kai pera, sas eipa oti h protash poy kaname einai mia apo tis polles poy ki emeis eixame skefqei kai thn kaname, prokeimenoy na anoijoyme to pedio ths syzhthshs. Se teleytaia analysh, kaqenas fernei mia eyqynh. Emeis diatypwsame mia protash. Qelw na akoysw mia allh protash kai na peistw an einai kalyterh h allh protash. Ayto, omws, poy den einai paradekto kai egine kata koron, einai toyto: Na ektojeyontai kataggelies, xwris tekmhriwsh. Kai prepei na pw oti h xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh egine se ena teleiws diaforetiko tono apo ayton poy fainetai oti xarakthrizei tis dhmosies topoqethseis twn politikwn paragontwn.

Kyrie Takh (s.s. dhmosiografos), eseis poy hsastan parwn, einai etsi;

TAKHS: Etsi, etsi einai.

REPPAS: Ayto ti shmainei; Opws eipa kai xqes xarakthristika, otan miloyme enwpios enwpiw, miloyme se alles @klimatologikes synqhkes! Ayto einai kalo. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, ekfrazw mia ikanopoihsh kai lew oti einai qetiko oti h xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh htan qetikh. Ayth einai h alhqeia. Giati pragmatika oloi endiaferomaste na sygkrothsoyme ena Organo poy qa exei thn apolyth epopteia sto radiothleoptiko tomea.

FILHS: Yparxei periptwsh na apofasisei h Boylh dia toy Proedreioy ths;

REPPAS: Ola ayta qa ta syzhthsoyme, giati ayrio qa synexistei h syzhthsh sthn Epitroph. Einai kai ayth mia protash poy mas apasxolei. Prepei na sas pw akomh oti einai timh gia mena poy o Proedros enos kommatos, o k. Kwnstantopoylos symmeteixe sth synedriash ths Epitrophs. Ekei diatypwse th qesh na epilegontai ta melh toy ESR me pleiochfia 3/5 apo th diaskech twn Proedrwn. Ayto kata bash proteine. Einai, omws, mia protash thn opoia eixame diatypwsei apo thn arxh. Kai einai ayth poy eixe aporrifqei. Epanerxetai o k. Kwnstantopoylos. H protash ayth paramenei sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn. Opws epishs apo th N.D. diatypwnetai h qesh poy eixa anaptyjei egw apo meres, to sxetiko katalogo anti toy ypoyrgoy, na ton katartizei o Proedros ths Boylhs. Logikh protash. Alla, bebaiws, opoy empleketai o Proedros ths Boylhs, qa prepei na yparjei mia syzhthsh prohgoymenws mazi toy, gia to an dexetai na analabei enan tetoio rolo. Kai sas milhsa kai allh fora, gia th dyskolia poy exei h katartish enos tetoioy katalogoy. Katalogos o opoios qa einai eyproswpos. Kai eyproswpos katalogos shmainei, na metexoyn melh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias poy exoyn eyryterh apodoxh kai kyros. Alla, ena tetoio melos ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, otan mpei se enan katalogo, xwris tis eggyhseis ths ekloghs toy, antilambaneste oti diakindyneyei thn timh kai thn entypwsh poy exei dhmioyrghsei me to ergo toy. Gi` ayto eipa tote, dexetai h Boylh na katartisei ton katalogo;

Oson afora to qema toy poios xorhgei tis adeies, epanalambanw kai jekaqarizw: Kai me to yfistameno kaqestws tis xorhgei to ESR. Ayto katartizei ton pinaka ajiologhshs me toys staqmoys. O Ypoyrgos den mporei na metabalei ayton ton pinaka. Ayto poy allazei me to prowqoymeno nomosxedio einai oti katargeitai o elegxos nomimothtas poy ginotan se ena endiameso stadio apo to Ypoyrgeio Typoy.

Qa hqela, telos, na kanw ena sxolio gia ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn sth Gioygkoslabia. Meta thn anakoinwsh twn apotelesmatwn apo thn kentrikh eforeytikh epitroph, prokyptei , h safhs yperoxh ths antipoliteyshs. O laos ths Gioygkoslabias chfise kai -opws fainetai apo ta stoixeia- sth Gioygkoslabia dromologoyntai allages, oi opoies mporei na odhghsoyn se anabaqmish twn sxesewn ths Gioygkoslabias me thn Eyrwph. Yparxei mia ekkremothta, oson afora th diejagwgh h mh deyteroy gyroy. To qema ayto, pisteyoyme oti oi politikes dynameis ths Gioygkoslabias mporei na to antimetwpisoyn me ypeyqynothta kai gnwmona to symferon ths xwras poy yphretoyn. Den qa paremboyme emeis se ayto. Den qa emplakoyme. Ara, shmeiwnoyme th fora twn pragmatwn, th safh yperoxh ths antipoliteyshs. Pistopoieitai apo ta apotelesmata poy exoyn anakoinwqei, oti dromologoyntai allages sthn Gioygkoslabia. Oi politikes dynameis ths Gioygkoslabias qa prepei, me eyqynh na antimetwpisoyn ta ekkremh qemata. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

BIDALH: O Prwqypoyrgos exei epikoinwnhsei me toys omologoys toy ths E.E. gia ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Oxi.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to Kypriako me dedomeno oti xqes oloklhrwqhke o 4os gyros twn ek toy syneggys synomiliwn sth Nea Yorkh. Poia einai h eikona poy exei, ayth th stigmh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ti sxolio qa eixe na kanei; Epishs, ap o,ti lene oi plhrofories qa yparjei 5os kai 6os gyros, opoy kata pasa piqanothta qa exoyn xarakthristika oionei CAPE DAVID. Dhladh, problepetai oti oi politikoi arxhgoi ths Kyproy qa metaboyn stis HPA, giati ekei qa einai o topos synanthshs; Kai edw qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Den qa milhsoyme gia toys epomenoys gyroys. Ayto to opoio exoyme na poyme einai oti kaqe gyros synomiliwn qa prepei na perilambanei oysiastikes syzhthseis gia thn antimetwpish kai epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Lypoymaste, giati o gyros poy oloklhrwqhke prosfatws den edwse apotelesmata. Den exoyme kapoia qetikh ejelijh. Ayto einai kati poy epishmainoyme, anaferontas, taytoxrona, oti oi dynameis twn katexomenwn kai h Toyrkia den exoyn epideijei thn paramikrh diaqesh, den exoyn symbalei oyte sto elaxisto, prokeimenoy na exoyme qetikh ejelijh se aytes tis syzhthseis.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxei qema paraithshs ths kas Aggelopoyloy kai ean oxi giati ayto to jespasma ths, xqes, kanontas logo gia ``erasitexnes'', gia ``proswpikh probolh'' kai ``afhste mas hsyxoys na kanoyme th doyleia mas''. Poioys ennooyse;

MIXAHL: Symplhrwmatika, na rwthsw ki egw, ean ekfrazei thn kybernhsh h dhlwsh toy Genikoy Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, oti o k. Nait, poy organwse toys Olympiakoys Agwnes sto Sidnei, einai eyprosdektos na symbalei me tis gnwseis toy kai sthn Olympiada toy 2004.

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti h diorganwsh ths Olympiadas toy 2004 einai eqnikh ypoqesh kai oloi oi Ellhnes exoyn strateyqei se ayth thn ypoqesh. H ka Aggelopoyloy exei enan poly shmantiko rolo, ston opoio pisteyoyme oti qa antapokriqei apolyta. Bebaiws, oi paragontes ekeinoi poy, eite apo gnwsh kai empeiria, eite logw toy kyroys toys, mporei na symballoyn sth dikh mas prospaqeia, einai eyprosdektoi. Qeloyme synergates poy mporoyn na bohqhsoyn th xwra mas na diorganwsei thn kalyterh Olympiada.

KWNSTANTHS: Meta th naytikh tragwdia qa anablhqoyn oi synedriaseis toy E.G. kai ths K.E. toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Ayrio qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai h syzhthsh pisteyw oti qa perioristei sto qema ths naytikhs tragwdias. Oi kommatikes diadikasies apo o,ti jerw anaballontai.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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