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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-12-13

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Dekembrioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh ta apotelesmata ths ejamhniaias dhmoskophshs ths MRB, symfwna me ta opoia o k. Abramopoylos diaqetei reyma gia na idrysei komma, an to apofasisei, kai oti epishs exei prosbash stoys chfoforoys kai toy PASOK kai ths N.D.;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete poly kala oti, kata kairoys, ginontai metrhseis poy apotypwnoyn tis diaqeseis ths koinhs gnwmhs mia orismenh stigmh. H epikratoysa sygkyria einai kaqoristikh. Ayto, omws, poy exei shmasia einai ena politiko komma na kerdizei tis ekloges. Giati, o poliths poy symmetexei se mia dhmoskophsh mporei na ekfrazei thn apoch toy, thn opoia mporei na metabalei thn epomenh kiolas stigmh h mporei, symmetexontas se perissoteres apo mia metrhseis, na ekfrazei kai diaforetikes apoceis. Enw, gnwrizete poly kala oti, thn wra ths chfoforias sthn kalph, me thn chfo toy, analambanei mia desmeysh gia oloklhrh thn tetraetia poy akoloyqei kai etsi anadeiknyei thn kybernhsh ths xwras. Emeis, loipon, epidiwkoyme na epikratoyme sthn kalph twn eklogwn kai mexri twra den exoyme logo na paraponoymaste gia thn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Oson afora ta qemata, ta opoia monimws qetete kai zhtate na sxoliasw, kata to gnwsto ``akomh den ton eidame, Giannh ton baftisame'', syzhtame poly gi` ayton ton ``Giannh''. Egw, loipon, qa to apofygw ayto, giati pisteyw oti shmasia exei na afosiwqoyme sta kaqhkonta mas, na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites. Oi polites einai aytoi poy se kaqe periptwsh exoyn ton teleytaio logo.

MIXAHL: Thn kybernhsh den thn apasxolei kaqoloy to gegonos oti deixnei mia tash -den eipame oti einai dedomeno- to gegonos oti kai chfoforoi apo esas metakinoyntai pros kati to kainoyrgio; Den jeroyme ti einai, alla kai@

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti yparxei terastia apostash anamesa se ena ideato komma kai ena komma poy leitoyrgei, sto pedio twn antiparaqesewn kai twn rhjewn. Kata ta alla, asfalws oi metrhseis lambanontai ypoch. Aytes oi metrhseis diejagontai me episthmoniko tropo. Einai egkyres metrhseis, ayto to gnwrizoyme. Ajiologoyme ta apotelesmata aytwn twn metrhsewn. Alla, gnwrizete oti sxediazoyme kai askoyme thn politikh mas me bash to programma poy exoyme ejaggeilei ston ellhniko lao, to opoio enekrine kai mas anedeije se kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: San kybernhsh, sas apasxolei h diapistwsh apo th sygkekrimenh ereyna oti paroysiazete oktw mhnes meta tis ekloges mia shmantikh fqora;

REPPAS: Ayto to fainomeno exei ekdhlwqei kai alles fores sto parelqon, exei istoriko prohgoymeno. Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti h kybernhsh eqese ta megala qemata sthn arxh ths qhteias ths, me tropo -qa elega- ``epiqetiko''. Akoloyqoyme mia emprosqobarh, opws xarakthristika thn onomasame, politikh, prokeimenoy sto plaisio ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs na drecoyme toys karpoys twn prospaqeiwn mas. Exoyme sygkekrimeno programma, exoyme sxedio gia thn poreia ths xwras ta epomena xronia. Ayto to sxedio exoyme qesei se efarmogh kai pisteyoyme oti ta apotelesmata aytwn twn prospaqeiwn mas qa einai tetoia, wste na dikaiwsoyn thn epilogh poy kanoyme twra sthn arxh ths qhteias ayths ths kybernhshs.

KARGOYDH: Me aformh dhmosieysh prokhryjhs gia th dolofonia Sonters, qa hqela na rwthsw se poio shmeio brisketai h prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs gia allages sto nomoqetiko plaisio, se sxesh me thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias.

REPPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas qa prepei, eyqys ejarxhs, na epanalabw thn pagia qesh mas: Paramenoyme ametakinhtoi sthn arxh antimetwpishs kai ejaleichs ths tromokratias, poy apotelei mastiga gia kaqe koinwnia. H monh sxesh poy mporei na exei kapoios me mia tromokratikh organwsh san th sygkekrimenh, einai mia sxesh antiparaqeshs mexri thn ejarqrwsh ths organwshs ayths. Den yparxei stoixeio to opoio na dikaiologei th stash ayths ths organwshs. Den yparxei kokkos hqikhs, logikhs kai dikaioy, sth systash kai drash mias tetoias organwshs. Gia thn apotelesmatikoterh antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy, gnwrizete pws syzhtoyntai orismenes allages poy aforoyn th dikonomikh pleyra toy oloy qematos. Exei systaqei Epitroph, h opoia leitoyrgei sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Symmetexoyn se aythn empeirognwmones kai episthmones poy gnwrizoyn to qema. Den exei oloklhrwsei thn ergasia ths. Einai kati poy prepei na kanei kata thn amesws epomenh periodo. Pisteyoyme oti toys prwtoys mhnes toy 2001, h Epitroph ayth qa prepei na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths kai na paradwsei to porisma ths, prokeimenoy, basei aytoy, h kybernhsh na labei tis telikes apofaseis ths.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh aisqanetai ikanopoihmenh apo to keimeno ayto ths ``17N'' kai ta osa grafei gia thn kratikh mhxanh kai thn kybernhsh kai gia ayta poy eipe o k. Skoylarikhs xqes kai shmera stis ekpompes toy@

REPPAS: Oxi mono ws kybernhsh, ws polites, prwta ap` ola, niwqoyme apotropiasmo, gia to oti kapoioi tromokrates epixeiroyn na dikaiologhsoyn ta adikaiologhta afairwntas th zwh synanqrwpwn. Ayth einai mia prajh h opoia exei ola ta stoixeia ths anajiothtas. Den epitrepei se opoiondhpote h prajh mias tromokratikhs organwshs na mpei se dialogo, poly perissotero na ginei apodekths twn opoiwn isxyrismwn ths organwshs ayths, mesw twn opoiwn epixeirei na dikaiologhsei th drash ths. Den yparxei periptwsh na syzhthsoyme tetoio qema. H monh sxesh @epanalambanw- poy mporei na exei kapoios me mia tromokratikh organwsh, einai h antiparaqesh mexri thn ejarqrwsh ths.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Skoylarikh den eipate, omws.

REPPAS: Eipe tis apoceis toy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxoyn organa sta opoia mporei na apeyqynqei kapoios poy exei kati sygkekrimeno, xeiropiasto na kataqesei, prokeimenoy na symbalei sthn epityxh ekbash ayths ths prospaqeias poy kanoyme gia na ejaleicoyme thn tromokratia sth xwra mas.

KAPPOS: Aisqanetai h kybernhsh oti htan dikonomiko to keno to opoio odhghse se synqhkes tetoies, wste na ektelestei o tajiarxos Sonters ekeino to prwino; Htan keno h htan zhthma anikanothtas, profanws, ths Astynomias;

REPPAS: Kanete mia sygxysh. To qema twn syzhtoymenwn allagwn, asfalws den exei sxesh me thn ektelestikh ikanothta mias tromokratikhs organwshs. Apo thn allh, anamenoyme ta porismata ayths ths omadas ergasias, prokeimenoy na laboyme tis telikes apofaseis mas. Kai bebaiws, sto plaisio twn programmatwn ekpaideyshs ths ELAS, panta ginetai prospaqeia na anabaqmistei to epipedo ths, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei tetoioy eidoys problhmata.

KAPPOS: To deytero erwthma moy einai epi alloy qematos: An epeteyxqh tipota kainoyrgio sto qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn, epeidh yparxoyn kapoies epafes toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me ajiwmatoyxoys twn Skopiwn. An aytes oi epafes exoyn typiko xarakthra h an yparxei kati to oysiastiko.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto syzhteitai sto plaisio toy OHE. Den exei shmeiwqei opoiadhpote ejelijh. Ayto to opoio mporei na pei kaneis, me aformh th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths FYROM me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas, einai oti oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn ejelissontai omala, anabaqmizontai, beltiwnontai ston oikonomiko, emporiko, politismiko tomea kai ayto einai ena deigma kalhs geitonias, to opoio pisteyoyme oti apobainei pros ofelos kai twn dyo kratwn. Kai bebaiws, oi sxeseis qa fqasoyn sto aristo epipedo toys, efoson antimetwpistei kai lyqei kai to qema poy paramenei ekkremes: To qema, dhladh, ths onomasias toy geitonikoy kratoys.

ARGYROS: Pera apo th drash ths tromokratikhs organwshs poy den syzhtate, yparxoyn stoixeia sthn prokhryjh ta opoia qelw na mas peite an einai alhqina h oxi, opws gia paradeigma gia to oplo poy exei xrhsimopoihqei.

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

MPOTWNHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia th symperifora boyleytwn toy PASOK, xqes, kata th syzhthsh toy nomosxedioy gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis, poy apoysiazan kai den phgan na chfisoyn, enw kapoios allos eipe ``parwn'';

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ayth h protash ths kybernhshs exei ginei, pleon, nomos toy kratoys. Chfisthke sth Boylh. Ara, h xwra mas einai pleon qesmika ejoplismenh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei qemata poy aforoyn ton ergasiako tomea. Idiaiterws, shmera, exoyme kalyteres proypoqeseis, ajiopoiwntas to periexomeno aytoy toy nomoy, na antimetwpisoyme kai na meiwsoyme thn anergia sthn patrida mas. Oi boyleytes eklegontai apo ton ellhniko lao, einai ypeyqynoi gia tis epiloges toys, analambanoyn thn eyqynh aytwn twn epilogwn kai telikws krinontai apo ton ellhniko lao apo ton opoio epidokimazontai h apodokimazontai. Ayto einai to megaleio ths Dhmokratias mas kai me aytoys toys dhmokratikoys kanones leitoyrgei h Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

GARGALAKOS: Exete kapoio sxolio sxetika me th dhlwsh toy epitimoy Proedroy ths N.D. k. Mhtsotakh, se o,ti afora ta apotelesmata ths Synodoy ths Nikaias;

REPPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs exei diatelesei prwqypoyrgos. Gnwrizei ti shmainei na symmetexeis kai na diapragmateyesai sto plaisio koryfaiwn organwn ths E.E. Ayto pisteyoyme oti baryne sto na diatypwsei ayth th qesh, h opoia brisketai konta sthn pragmatikothta.

KARELIAS: Loyloydia toy steilate;!

REPPAS: Emeis den kanoyme tetoioy eidoys prosfores se anqrwpoys poy lene thn alhqeia. Kai mono oti lene thn alhqeia, ayto prepei na einai phgh ikanopoihshs kai xaras gi` aytoys. Den xreiazetai allh epibebaiwsh apo tritoys gia opoion leei thn alhqeia, akomh ki an o tritos aytos einai h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai sto qema gia ton k. Skoylarikh. O k. Skoylarikhs ekane kapoies kataggelies kai milhse gia thn EYP, oti kapoy ekei krybetai h 17N. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Oti emeis den exoyme opoiadhpote stoixeio, to opoio na odhgei se ena tetoio symperasma. Ta stoixeia ta opoia exei sth diaqesh toy o agaphtos kai kalos synadelfos, ton kaloyme na ta qesei ypoch twn armodiwn arxwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an qa ginoyn syllhceis, opws exei graftei stis efhmerides.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi armodies arxes pantote, sto plaisio twn prospaqeiwn toys, prepei na probainoyn se ekeines tis energeies poy einai endedeigmenes, prokeimenoy na fqasoyme sto epiqymhto apotelesma. Ayto den shmainei oti yparxei programmatismos gia sygkekrimenes syllhceis. H prospaqeia twn armodiwn yphresiwn qa synexistei. Den diakoptetai. Alla, antilambaneste pws den yparxei enas sxediasmos tetoios, wste na odhghsei sto symperasma pws oi syllhceis ginontai basei kapoioy programmatismoy, o opoios einai ayqairetos. Den yparxei tetoio qema.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa an qa ginoyn syllhceis, kai malista se syntomo xroniko diasthma. To lew ayto, gia na mhn diaceysteite argotera.

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite poly. Mia yphresia h opoia exei ayth th sygkekrimenh armodiothta, einai piqano, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn ths kai efoson prokyptoyn stoixeia (apo osa stoixeia diaqetei), ta opoia thn odhgoyn se mia tetoia epilogh, na proxwrhsei kai se syllhceis. Alla, ayto @epanalambanw- den einai kati to opoio mporei kaneis na to anakoinwsei h na to programmatisei. Einai kati poy prokyptei sthn poreia twn ereynwn poy kanei h armodia yphresia. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn entypwsh poy teinei na dhmioyrghqei, oti epikeintai syllhceis. Poios to gnwrizei; Oydeis to gnwrizei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, ayto sas rwtw.

REPPAS: Oydeis to gnwrizei. Oyte h kybernhsh to gnwrizei. Einai qema armodiothtas sygkekrimenwn organwn. Kai sto plaisio ayths ths armodiothtas toys, kanoyn otidhpote prepei na kanoyn gia na fqasoyn sta epiqymhta apotelesmata.

KAPPOS: Epeidh prosperasate prohgoymenws erwthsh synadelfoy poy aforoyse tis ekqeseis, rwtw to ejhs: Gia thn kybernhsh einai skopimo na yparxei qolh eikona ston ellhniko lao se sxesh me ta pragmatika peristatika orismenwn gegonotwn opws htan h ektelesh toy tajiarxoy @

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den einai nohto, einai apolytws ejw apo thn arxh kai th desmeysh poy exoyme analabei, na syzhtoyme epi toy periexomenoy ths anakoinwshs mias tromokratikhs organwshs. Gi` ayto apanthsa etsi kai ston k. Argyro. Kai h apanthsh moy ayth den exei kanena, ma kanena stoixeio arnhshs na apanthsw h perifronhshs pros ton erwtwnta. Kaqe allo. To gnwrizete poly kala, giati gnwrizete poies einai oi sxeseis poy exoyme anaptyjei edw, tosa xronia. Deyteron, to periexomeno ayths ths anakoinwshs meletatai apo toys paragontes ekeinoys poy exoyn analabei ayto to ergo. Einai sth diaqesh twn politwn, oi opoioi enhmerwnontai, afoy dhmosieyetai to keimeno ayto. Kata ta alla, opws antilambaneste, oi armodies yphresies kanoyn o,ti kanoyn, me stoxo na antimetwpisoyn kai na ejaleicoyn to fainomeno ayto: Na ejarqrwsoyn mia tromokratikh organwsh. Den kanoyn tis energeies toys, prokeimenoy kaqhmerinws, enhmerwnontas toys polites, na ikanopoioyn thn entos h ektos eisagwgikwn periergeia twn politwn gia to pws leitoyrgei kai poia einai h bash gia tis epiloges poy kanei mia tromokratikh organwsh. Einai qemata ta opoia mporei kapoios na ta anaptyjei sto plaisio ths logotexnias, toy kinhmatografoy h alloy. Alla, otan mia antitromokratikh yphresia prepei na ferei se peras ena dyskolo ergo, ekei prepei na afosiwqei kai oxi bebaiws sto na syzhta dhmosiws to ti einai ayto to opoio symperainei apo to keimeno h apo th stash mias tromokratikhs organwshs. Ola ayta exoyn poly mikrh shmasia. Afoy h qesh sthn opoia exoyme katalhjei, einai qesh poy mas briskei oloys symfwnoys, einai mia kai monh: Na antimetwpisoyme kai na ejarqrwsoyme kaqe tromokratikh organwsh. Ayto proexei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H EYP elegxetai apo thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H EYP einai mia yphresia poy exei na ferei se peras mia sygkekrimenh apostolh. Gnwrizete poly kala poies einai oi eyaisqhsies poy exoyn anaptyxqei ston ellhniko lao, logw palaiwn istorikwn syndromwn. H EYP pisteyoyme oti antapokrinetai sthn apostolh poy ths exei anaqesei h politeia. Kai bebaiws, yparxei epopteia apo thn kybernhsh, alla gnwrizete kala oti exei tis dikes ths eswterikes leitoyrgies. Exei th dikh ths diarqrwsh kai ta dika ths stelexh, prokeimenoy na ferei se peras to ergo poy ths anaqesame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwthsa, giati o k. Xrysanqakopoylos, boyleyths toy PASOK, leei oti elegxetai apo alloy.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei kai allh fora se ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apanthsate.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei. Exoyme kai allh fora asxolhqei me to qema ayto se ayth thn aiqoysa. Epanalambanw oti oi apanthseis dinontai dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy, otan ekei tiqentai ta erwthmata. Kata ta alla, den prokeitai na apotelesei antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs, h eswterikh leitoyrgia ths EYP, gia logoys poy oloi antilambaneste.

Sas eyxaristw.


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