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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me qema thn egkrish kai kataqesh toy Proypologismoy gia to 2002.

O Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas sth shmerinh synedriash, anefere, metajy twn allwn, oti o Proypologismos aytos katartisthke se ena periballon abebaiothtas gia tis dieqneis oikonomikes ejelijeis kai genikotera se ena periballon abebaiothtas gia tis dieqneis ejelijeis.

Otan arxisame -eipe o Prwqypoyrgos- to kalokairi, na syntassoyme ayton ton Proypologismo den eixe symbei to tromokratiko ktyphma ths 11hs Septembrioy. Eixan, omws, hdh parathrhqei shmadia ths dieqnoys yfeshs, ta opoia ginontan olo kai pio entona. H 11h Septembrioy odhghse se epitaxynsh th dieqnh yfesh. Ypenqymizetai oti sth Germania problepetai ryqmos anaptyjhs gia to 2001 katw apo to 1%, enw polloi lene oti qa einai katw kai apo to 0,5%. Yparxei abebaiothta gia to ean kai pote qa yparjei anakamch. H Ellada ephreasthke apo aytes tis ejelijeis kai den htan dynato na mhn ephreastei, afoy oi xwres me tis opoies kyriws synergazomaste exoyn ypostei tis synepeies. Ephreasthke, omws, se baqmo poy einai aisqhta mikroteros apo alles xwres kai o ryqmos anaptyjhs sth xwra mas qa einai arketa ikanopoihtikos.

Xqes, dhmosieythke mia problech toy OOSA poy qewrei oti o ryqmos anaptyjhs gia to 2002 sth xwra mas qa einai gyrw sto 4% toy AEP. Emeis protimoyme na eimaste pio sygkrathmenoi. Oi dikes mas probleceis deixnoyn oti oi anaptyjiakoi ryqmoi einai pio piqano na kinhqoyn sto 3,8% toy AEP.

Thn perasmenh Pempth -synexise o Prwqypoyrgos- syzhthsame sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph th genikh oikonomikh politikh kai katalhjame se orismenes kateyqynseis, oi opoies ekfrazontai kai efarmozontai apo ton Proypologismo poy kataqetoyme. Apofasisame orismena metra gia logoys dikaioterhs katanomhs twn forologikwn barwn, tonwshs ths apasxolhshs kai enisxyshs ths antagwnistikothtas. Den apofasisame alla metra -kai ayto tonizetai idiaitera- ta opoia qa epibarynan toys forologoymenoys, ton Ellhna polith. Ayto, omws, exei kapoia apotelesmata: Oi apofaseis aytes periorisan perissotero ta periqwria drashs poy eixame. Gi ayto periorisame akomh perissotero ta oria twn dapanwn stis genikes kateyqynseis mas. Prepei, opwsdhpote, na dwsoyme emfash sth staqerothta, na antapokriqoyme sto Symfwno Staqerothtas kai tis dieqneis ypoxrewseis mas kai na anadeijoyme thn kalh eikona ths oikonomias mas. Kai einai kalh h eikona, opws deixnei kai h problech toy OOSA.

Pisteyw -shmeiwse o Prwqypoyrgos- oti to pio shmantiko gia thn epityxia ths politikhs mas einai to gegonos oti sth xwra yparxei aisqhma asfaleias kai sigoyrias gyrw apo ta oikonomika. Ayto to aisqhma asfaleias kai sigoyrias prepei na to diathrhsoyme, lambanontas, omws, taytoxrona kai ola ekeina ta metra ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn thn aisqhsh oti yparxei prooptikh gia ena kalytero mellon. Mporoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme mia nea eqnikh aytopepoiqhsh stoys polites.

Einai anagkaio -tonise o Prwqypoyrgos- na epitaxynqoyn oi diadikasies kataqeshs kai syzhthshs sxediwn nomwn, opws prokyptei apo to neo Syntagma. Zhthse, epishs, gia epikoinwniaka qemata na yparxei synennohsh, se kaqe periptwsh, prin apo tis opoies anakoinwseis mas.

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O Proypologismos gia to 2002 qa katateqei shmera stis 7 to apogeyma sth Boylh. Einai enas Proypologismos poy mesa stis dieqneis synqhkes abebaiothtas, stis dyskoles synqhkes poy briskomaste, odhgei me asfaleia kai sigoyria thn Ellada sto mellon. Perilambanei mikroteres forologikes epibarynseis sto AEP kai ayjanei tis koinwnikes dapanes. Einai xarakthristiko oti ayjanontai ta kondylia gia thn Ygeia kai Pronoia kata 7,9%, gia thn Paideia kata 8%, gia thn Apasxolhsh kata 8,8%. Einai taytoxrona enas Proypologismos anaptyjiakos. Ta kondylia gia tis anaptyjiakes draseis ayjanontai kata 1 trisekatommyrio 300 ekatommyria draxmes, se sxesh me persi. Enisxyetai shmantika h ypaiqros. Yparxei ayjhsh twn enisxysewn apo ton taktiko Proypologismo kata 11,9%, apo to Programma Dhmosiwn Ependysewn kata 9,3% kai apo alles epidothseis kata 28,7%. Perilambanontai idiaitera ayjhmenes dapanes gia thn enisxysh ths dhmosias asfaleias kai bebaia gia thn enisxysh ths koinwnikhs asfalishs. Metajy aytwn prwteyoysa qesh katexei h enarjh ejoflhshs ofeilwn toy Dhmosioy sto IKA, me ekdosh omologwn kai prwth apodosh to 2002, enos posoy 500 disekatommyriwn draxmwn. Etsi, kalyptetai ena poly megalo meros toy xreoys toy kratoys pros to IKA.

Parallhla, einai apofash ths kybernhshs na ikanopoihsei, egkaira, oles tis desmeyseis ths ston koinwniko tomea, opws:

Thn ayjhsh toy epidomatos twn makroxronia anergwn.

Th xorhghsh eidikhs eisodhmatikhs enisxyshs gia ta ftwxa noikokyria stis apomakrysmenes perioxes.

Thn eidikh enisxysh se monogoneikes oikogeneies poy zoyn katw apo ta oria ths ftwxeias. Kai,

Th systash ths agrotikhs Estias gia na beltiwqei h poiothta zwhs twn agrotwn mas.

Bebaiws, qa yparxei dynatothta mias plhroys syzhthshs gia ton Proypologismo mesa apo tis diadikasies ths Boylhs. Kataqetoyme enan Proypologismo poy mas odhgei me asfaleia kai sigoyria sto mellon, poy ejasfalizei synqhkes staqerothtas gia th xwra, poy perilambanei metra ta opoia tonwnoyn thn apasxolhsh, enisxyoyn th zhthsh, eggywntai thn anaptyjh kai bebaiws perilambanei th dikaih katanomh toy ofeloys ths anaptyjhs yper twn asqenesterwn oikonomika omadwn toy plhqysmoy. Einai enas Proypologismos poy dinei th dynatothta na proxwrhsei h xwra akomh pio mprosta stoys stoxoys ths kai na eggyhqei me asfaleia to mellon ths.

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Gia to agrotiko:

Epishs, qa hqela na anaferqw stis xqesines anakoinwseis toy k. Trakatelh kai toy k. Mpasiakoy. Oi xqesines anakoinwseis twn stelexwn ths N.D. kryboyn thn alhqeia kai tis megales eyqynes poy exei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Yphrje protash tropologias -kai qelw na kanw orismenes parathrhseis panw se ayto- kai kaneis den mporei na to arnhqei. As mhn paizei paixnidia me tis lejeis o k. Trakatelhs. Yphrje protash tropologias apo eyrwboyleyth toy Laikoy Kommatos, thn opoia sthrije oloklhro to Laiko Komma, poy proeblepe men mia proskairh ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia to 2002 ston tomea toy kapnoy, alla proeblepe -kai ayto einai to idiaitera shmantiko- thn kat` etos meiwsh kata 20% twn enisxysewn stoys paragwgoys. Ayth h tropologia ston Proypologismo ths Koinothtas, edine oysiastika kateyqynsh na meiwnetai kaqe xrono kata 20% h enisxysh stoys paragwgoys kai na mhdenistei mexri to etos 2006. Oi anafores poy perilambanei gia enallaktikes morfes gewrgias, se kamia periptwsh den qa epeferan isodynama apotelesmata sto gewrgiko eisodhma. Ayth einai h prwth mas parathrhsh.

H deyterh parathrhsh: Einai ypekfygh o isxyrismos toy k. Trakatelh oti h tropologia poy chfisthke den htan desmeytikh. Ti paei na pei, den htan desmeytikh; Dhladh, thn chfisame, einai kakh, alla den peirazei, den mporoyse na desmeysei toys ypoyrgoys h to EKOFIN, ean den hqelan; Edw prokeitai gia mia politikh prajh, h opoia epefere shmantika arnhtika apotelesmata, oxi mono ston tomea toy kapnoy, alla kai se oloklhrh thn koinh agrotikh politikh. Ayth einai h antilhch ths N.D. Xarakthrizei, sthn oysia, leptomereia thn tropologia, otan einai qema oysias, otan einai qema epibiwshs gia toys xiliades Ellhnes kapnoparagwgoys. Kai qa elega, eytyxws oti to EKOFIN, sto opoio symmeteixe o Ellhnas ypoyrgos, den apodexqhke kai den qa erqei se syzhthsh h tropologia toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos kai ayto ofeiletai kai stis dikes mas parembaseis. Den eidame, omws, ton k. Karamanlh, o opoios einai kai antiproedros toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, na parembei. Kai to janalew shmera ayto, giati einai mia anoikth prosklhsh na parembei kai na stamathsei to Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma na kanei tetoies kinhseis.

Trith parathrhsh: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, safws yioqethse metra gia ton periorismo ths diafhmishs tsigarwn, to 1997,opws anaferei o k. Trakatelhs, idiaitera, oson afora toys neoys. Na qymisw, omws, oti to 1998 petyxe th diathrhsh twn enisxysewn kai posostwsewn gia ta ellhnika kapna. Kai twra, epraje pali to kaqhkon ths, meta th synanthsh toy k. Dry me ton armodio Epitropo, alla kai ton Ispano kai Italo ypoyrgo Gewrgias. Etsi anaptyssoyme tis kinhseis mas mesa stoys dieqneis organismoys kai mporoyme na dhmioyrgoyme sysxetismoys yper twn ellhnikwn symferontwn. Gnwrizete oti h eishghsh, h opoia qa epikyrwqei sta qemata toy Proypologismoy, qa perilambanei th diathrhsh twn epidothsewn, toylaxiston gia tria xronia akoma. Den shmainei oti ola lyqhkan. Qa xreiastei megalh maxh kai sth synexeia. Shmainei, omws, oti phrame mia prwth megalh paratash triwn etwn me synexish aytwn twn enisxysewn. Shmainei oti mporoyme na ejasfalisoyme, se shmantiko baqmo, ton Ellhna kapnoparagwgo. Kai bebaiws, prepei apo ekei kai pera, na synexisoyme tis prospaqeies, na synexisoyme na dhmioyrgoyme dieqneis sysxetismoys, na synexisoyme na dhmioyrgoyme tetoies pleiochfies h parembaseis, oi opoies qa prostateyoyn ta ellhnika symferonta, ta symferonta twn agrotwn mas. Kai ena shmantiko bhma egine se ayth thn kateyqynsh, xwris na shmainei oti h prospaqeia teleiwse.

Tetarth parathrhsh: Einai akrws analhqes oti to Eyrwpaiko Sosialistiko Komma ejedwse chfisma gia th stadiakh katarghsh twn epidothsewn kapnoy, ton Ioynio. Ta sxetika chfismata eixan ekdoqei apo to Fileleyqero Komma.

Kleinontas, qelw na xairetisw th systrateysh olwn osoi synebalan gia na yparxei ayth h diafainomenh kai kat` alloys bebaih apofash gia thn trieth paratash. Polla ofeilontai sthn kinhtopoihsh kai tis prospaqeies twn Ellhnwn kapnoparagwgwn. Afoygkrasthkame tis agwnies toys, akoysame th fwnh toys, akoysame ta aithmata kai tis diamartyries toys, ta metaferame ekei poy eprepe, dhmioyrghsame sysxetismoys, palecame kai mporesame na exoyme ena prwto shmantiko bhma. Qa synexisoyme, panta mazi me ton Ellhna agroth kai opoion allon qelei na bohqhsei. Kalodexto einai na bohqoyn kai alles politikes dynameis se ayth thn prospaqeia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Maqame oti sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egine anafora apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai kapoioys ypoyrgoys, sto qema ths ejetastikhs epitrophs poy zhthse h N.D. Qelw na mas peite, kat arxhn, ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos gi ayto to qema kai na mas epibebaiwsete ean zhthse o k. Xristodoylakhs epispeysh ths diadikasias sth Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe tis xqesines dhlwseis. Ayth h kinhsh ths N.D. einai antiperispasmos. H oikonomia phgainei kala, yparxoyn synexeis qetikes ejelijeis, yparxoyn apotelesmata stis prospaqeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, dhmioyrgeitai qetiko klima, yparxoyn qetikes probleceis twn Dieqnwn Organismwn. Kai yparxei enas proypologismos, poy apotypwnei ena meigma politikhs poy mporei na bohqhsei thn Ellada na proxwrhsei mprosta. H N.D. den mporei na apodexqei aytes tis epityxies, ayto to qetiko klima. Steketai mizera kai mikrocyxa kai prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei enan antiperispasmo, na metaferei th syzhthsh alloy. Na dhmioyrghsei ena qolo klima skandalologias. Einai safes oti h kybernhsh den mporei na to epitrecei ayto. Bebaiws, yparxoyn oi koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, tis opoies sebomaste apolyta. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai oti qa prepei aytes oi diadikasies na epispeysqoyn. Bebaiws, ayto einai kai sth diakritikh eyxereia toy Proedroy ths Boylhs. Emeis leme aplws thn apoch mas. Oi diadikasies aytes qa prepei na proxwrhsoyn. H syzhthsh prepei na ginei, wste o ellhnikos laos na mporesei kai pali na maqei olh thn alhqeia. Exw sth diaqesh sas thn analytikh anafora ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras, epanw sta opoia porismata h stis opoies aitiaseis eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Ean melethsete prosektika -exei bgei kai palaiotera, alla isws den ajiopoihqhke- ayth thn anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras, mporeite na bgalete polla symperasmata. Qa yparjei, bebaiws, kai politikh apanthsh sth Boylh.

IWANNOY: Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh qa symfwnhsei sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs peraiterw, politika;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den mporei na symfwnhsei se mia prajh poy oysiastika apotelei antiperispasmo, se mia periodo, malista, poy h oikonomia exei qetikes ejelijeis, se mia periodo poy pame kala. Einai safes oti h kybernhsh den mporei na apodexqei tetoies mikrocyxes, mizeres logikes. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw einai -oti den einai tyxaio- pws ayth h energeia ths N.D. proekyce meta apo para polles syzhthseis sto eswteriko ths. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yphrxan sobares amfisbhthseis akomh kai sto eswteriko ths N.D.. To syzhthsan kai den phran apofash. Yphrje mia amfiqymia gyrw apo ayto to qema kai telika bghke ``kapnos''. Kai epilexqhke na bgei ``kapnos'' thn wra poy etoimazotan na katateqei o kratikos Proypologismos. Ayto den einai tyxaio. Epidiwkoyn na metaferoyn th syzhthsh se ena pedio qolhs skandalologias. Einai safes oti o ellhnikos laos den exei tipota na kerdisei apo ayto. Etsi, den qa toys dwsoyme kai to sxetiko dikaiwma.

TAKHS: Lete oti bghke se mia periodo poy katatiqetai o Proypologismos k.lp. Alla, akoysa thn Paraskeyh, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, ton ypoyrgo Ergasias Dhmhtrh Reppa, na prokalei th N.D. na kataqesei edw kai twra thn protash. Kai ena deytero, pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis orismenwn boyleytwn toy PASOK poy lene ``na to doyme prwta, na to ejetasoyme'' kai den aporriptoyn, ej arxhs, to endexomeno systashs ayths ths Epitrophs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai bebaios oti h syzhthsh sth Boylh qa rijei kai ta teleytaia pepla kai qa apokalycei to pragmatiko proswpo ths N.D. Einai safes oti einai antiperispasmos stis qetikes ejelijeis ths oikonomias. Den einai tyxaio oti skefqhkan para poly ean eprepe na to kanoyn h oxi. Ayto apotypwnetai kai stis xqesines dhlwseis twn stelexwn toys. Ean tis diabasete prosektika yparxei mia agwnia, mhpws ayth h energeia syndeqei me kapoies arnhtikes ejelijeis sthn oikonomia mas. H ellhnikh oikonomia den kindyneyei apo tetoies proxeires, epipolaies kai aparadektes energeies. Exei staqeres baseis kai proxwra staqera. Omws, pisteyw oti einai mia eykairia na apokalyfqei poy to paei h N.D. kai pws topoqeteitai apenanti stis qetikes oikonomikes ejelijeis. H syzhthsh sth Boylh pisteyw oti qa peisei toys pantes kai panw apo ola ton ellhniko lao. Peran, omws, aytoy qewrw oti einai pragmati mia eykairia. Bebaiws, exei dikio o k. Reppas na leei se kapoioys osa eipe sth Boylh. Se aytoys, oi opoioi htan gnwsto edw kai arketo kairo oti epeseian thn apeilh, me thn kataqesh aithshs gia systash ejetastikhs epitrophs pros to PASOK, toys boyleytes h ypoyrgoys toy. Einai logiko, otan enas politikos kanei tetoies kinhseis, otan gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala oti h N.D. to syzhta kai janasyzhta kai diarreei oti qa to kanei, kapoios na toys pei oti: Den eimaste emeis poy exoyme to problhma. Den einai h kybernhsh mas poy exei to problhma. To problhma to exei h N.D. dioti qa apodeixqei oti aytes einai mikrokommatikes kinhseis poy prospaqoyn na yponomeysoyn tis qetikes ejelijeis poy yparxoyn sthn oikonomia, na dhmioyrghsoyn lanqasmenes entypwseis. Den qa ta kataferoyn.

FILHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos shmera sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy epikaleitai thn aisiodojh kata th gnwmh toy -ap o,ti fainetai- problech toy OOSA gia 4% anaptyjh, asfalws qa gnwrizei kai thn allh problech toy, oti h anergia qa kineitai sto 10%. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean problhmatisthke o Prwqypoyrgos gyrw apo ayth th deyterh problech.

PRWTOPAPAS: Panta yparxei problhmatismos otan h anergia paramenei ychlh. H kybernhsh mas se shmantiko baqmo syndeei thn politikh ths -qa elega olh thn politikh ths- me ta metra tonwshs ths apasxolhshs kai meiwshs ths anergias. Prepei na sas pw oti hdh exoyme qetikes ejelijeis. Den panhgyrizoyme gi aytes. Einai, omws, qetikes ejelijeis. H anergia sthn Ellada brisketai se kaqodikh poreia. Me mikroys akomh ryqmoys; Bebaiws. Alla meiwnetai. Yparxei tash synexoys meiwshs ths anergias ws apotelesma kai ths anaptyjhs, alla kai twn diarqrwtikwn metrwn poy lambanoyme. O Prwqypoyrgos diapistwse shmera oti me ta metra poy perilambanontai ston kratiko Proypologismo kai toys ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy ejasfalizoyme, h anergia qa meiwqei peraiterw. Qa dhmioyrghqoyn polles xiliades nees qeseis ergasias. Kai den einai tyxaio oti to meigma politikhs poy ekfrazetai ston kratiko Proypologismo akribws ekei apoblepei: Sto na diathrhsei ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Gnwrizete oti se orismena zhthmata poy syndeontai me to pleonasma kai to dhmosio xreos, oi apofaseis poy elhfqhsan apo thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, lene oti, proxwroyme staqera pros thn kateyqynsh poy perilambanetai sto Symfwno Empistosynhs, alla me diaforetikoys ryqmoys apo oti eixe arxika problefqei. Giati ginetai ayto; Dioti se mia dyskolh sygkyria, poy yparxoyn fainomena yfeshs se olo ton kosmo, emeis qeloyme na diathrhsoyme ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, akribws gia na tonwsoyme thn apasxolhsh. Epishs, qelw na epishmanw oti gia prwth fora eisagontai metra poy syndeoyn to ellhniko forologiko systhma me thn apasxolhsh.

FILHS: Omws, oi biomhxanoi to amfisbhtoyn ayto. To gnwrizete fantazomai!

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai akribws amfisbhthsh, akoysa ton k. Antwnakopoylo.

FILHS: Eipe oti einai grafeiokratia. ``Na mhn syndeqoyme'', leei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Zhtoyse ontws na mhn syndeqoyn me grafeiokratia.

FILHS: Etsi. Opote afhste, qa to doyme sth synexeia ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa syndeqoyn me grafeiokratia, alla den mporei na mhn yparxoyn kai elegxoi. To metro ayto, kata thn apoch mas, qa odhghsei se shmantikh tonwsh ths apasxolhshs.

FILHS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthse, estw enhmerwqhke, gia th megalh sygxwneysh twn dyo Trapezwn, apo thn opoia prokyptoyn -ws fainetai- problhmata poy aforoyn kai thn apasxolhsh; Dioti, xqes, anakoinwqhke oti sto epomeno etos qa apolyqoyn h qa paroyn eqeloysia thn agoysa pros thn ejodo, peripoy 2.500 ergazomenoi ayths ths Trapezas. Yphrje enhmerwsh gi ayth thn ejelijh kai me dedomeno oti yparxei amfisbhthsh kai apo th N.D. gi ayth thn sygxwneysh; Yphrje enhmerwsh gia th sygxwneysh me dedomeno oti apo thn eqeloysia ejodo piqanon na epibarynqoyn ta asfalistika tameia twn trapezoypallhlwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ayta ta zhthmata, poy exoyn na kanoyn me th sygxwneysh twn dyo Trapezwn, h kybernhsh ta parakoloyqei poly stena. Kata kairoys exoyn syzhthqei se diafora kybernhtika organa. Bebaiws, thn apofash den thn phrame emeis, qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto. Epikrothsame ayth thn apofash, ws idiaiterws qetikh, dioti symballei sthn enisxysh toy ellhnikoy trapezikoy systhmatos kai sthn kalyterh ejyphrethsh toy katanalwth, symballei sth genikoterh enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Apo kai pera, einai mia apofash poy mpainei mesa sthn idia thn agora, thn pairnei h idia h agora, mesa apo tis apofaseis twn Dioikhsewn twn dyo Trapezwn. Kai, opws gnwrizete, h mia apo tis dyo Trapezes den exei kamia sxesh me to kratos. Einai kaqara idiwtikh. Alla kai h apofash ths Eqnikhs lhfqhke me epixeirhmatika krithria. Mas endiaferei idiaitera -kai na eiste apolytws bebaios oti qa to prajoyme- na diasfalisoyme plhrws thn apasxolhsh. Den qa yparjoyn apolyseis. Yparxei pros toyto kai h kathgorhmatikh dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias Dhmhtrh Reppa.

FILHS: ``Pros to paron'', exei pei o k. Reppas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti einai teleiws diaforetika ta programmata eqeloysias ejodoy apo to qema twn apolysewn. Den mporoyme na sygxeoyme dyo anomoia pragmata. Den qa yparjoyn apolyseis kai eimai kathgorhmatikos se ayto. Bebaiws, to pws qa ginoyn ta programmata eqeloysias ejodoy qa prepei na syzhthqei metajy twn Dioikhsewn twn dyo Trapezwn, ths OTOE kai twn swmateiwn twn ergazomenwn, dioti einai apolyta safes, pws prepei na ginoyn me tropo poy na apodexontai oi ergazomenoi kai na einai symfwna me ta symferonta kai twn asfalistikwn tameiwn toys.

KONTOPOYLOS: Epeidh anaferqhkate sta epikoinwniaka, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: An yphrje topoqethsh, kyriws apo ton k. Papantwnioy, oti yparxei mia prospaqeia, oti dhmioyrgoyntai prosdokies sthn agora, oi opoies polles fores den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta, me aformh thn proanaggelia kinhsewn. Qa hqela na jerw, ean yphrjan epishmanseis kai ypodeijeis, oi proanaggelies aytes na ginontai thn wra ths ylopoihshs toys kai oxi na dhmioyrgoyn ena texnhto klima sthn agora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Egine mia ploysia kai poly shmantikh syzhthsh megalhs diarkeias kai diatypwqhkan polles apoceis. Ekeino poy symfwnhsame oloi einai oti to mhnyma politikhs poy periexei o Proypologismos einai idiaitera qetiko. O Proypologismos qa sthrixqei apo oles tis dynameis mas pros oles tis kateyqynseis kai fysika, panw ap` ola, mesa sto ellhniko Koinoboylio. Apo ekei kai pera, einai safes oti ola ayta ta opoia akoygontai kai legontai den eipwqhkan me ayto ton tropo. Yphrje enas ploysios dialogos kai katateqhkan apoceis.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na staqw se ena qema to opoio exw thn aisqhsh kai gi` ayto to qetw, gia na syzhthsoyme gi` ayto, to qema toy epikoinwniakoy syntonismoy. Einai h pollosth fora poy tis teleytaies 15 hmeres tiqetai ena tetoio zhthma kai malista eseis o idios to qesate, dinontas th genikh topoqethsh sas epi ths syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qelw na eimai apolyta safhs ejarxhs. Ti epiteloys fobatai o Prwqypoyrgos kai epishmainei synexws to qema ths enothtas, toy epikoinwniakoy syntonismoy, wste na mhn yparxoyn polles kai diaforetikes syzhthseis... Ti; Yparxoyn melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos poy den gnwrizoyn thn politikh h thn amfisbhtoyn h ekfrazoyn diafwnies; Yparxoyn diaforetikes ektimhseis gia ton tropo ekforas toy politikoy logoy; Ti akribws symbainei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se mia kybernhsh, alla kai se ena megalo komma, opws einai to PASOK, gnwrizete oti den mporei na yparxei monoliqikothta. Panta qa yparxoyn apoceis kai mesa apo dialogo tis synqetoyme, opws egine th Deytera to brady, sthn atyph koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, gia thn opoia anaferqhka kai sth xqesinh synanthsh mas. Ayto apanta sto deytero meros ths erwthshs sas. Apo ekei kai pera, den yparxei kanenas fobos. Eimaste sthn epoxh ths epikoinwnias. Sthn epoxh poy polla pragmata den krinontai mono se sxesh me thn oysia toys, alla kai apo to pws qa apodoqoyn pros ta ejw kai poso swsta qa fqasoyn ston polith. Dioti, polles fores, symbainei kaqenas na skeftetai oti exei probei se mia swsth energeia, argotera omws na diapistwnei oti h energeia toy ayth den ginetai opws prepei antilhpth. To qema, loipon, ths epikoinwnias, dhladh na paroysiazeis kaqara kai swsta, me tropo poy ginetai antilhptos apo ton kaqe polith, tis apoceis soy, einai ena sobaro qema, poy panta mas apasxolei. Kai mas bohqate eseis pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Qa elega mas bohqate antikeimenika. Kai xairomai, giati exoyme antikeimenikh dhmosiografia sthn Ellada, kata to dynato bebaiws, an ejairesoyme orismenes yperboles. Epomenws, einai logiko na dinoyme idiaitero baros sto qema ths epikoinwnias. Den yparxei problhma, oyte exei ekdhlwqei kapoios fobos.

KOYIN: Qa epanelqw se ena qema poy exoyme syzhthsei edw, sto Press Room, prin apo peripoy mia ebdomada, sxetika me toys Aggloys kai toys Ollandoys.. Apo o,ti fainetai pane na toys apaggeiloyn kai alles kathgories. Ti ginetai telika me ayto to zhthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Dikaiosynh sthn Ellada einai anejarthth. Den mporei h kybernhsh na ypagoreysei stoys dikastikoys leitoyrgoys h stoys anakrites ti na kanoyn. Ayto einai safes. Exei kinhqei h anakritikh diadikasia. Exoyn epilhfqei toy qematos anakriths kai eisaggeleas. Meta apo th sxetikh ereyna poy diejagetai qa kriqei an qa toys apaggelqoyn kathgories, an kapoios qa kriqei profylakisteos. Den einai sthn armodiothta ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Bebaiws, parakoloyqoyme to qema ayto. Omws, h dikastikh ejoysia einai anejarthth. Den yparxoyn periqwria parembasewn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H kybernhsh, pera apo to oti den parembainei, anhsyxei apo tetoia fainomena poy teleytaia fainetai na pyknwnoyn, oti orismenoi san spor pane kai fwtografizoyn stratiwtikes baseis h maxhtika aeroskafh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti stis perioxes aytes yparxoyn pinakides poy enhmerwnoyn oti apagoreyetai h fwtografhsh, me ola osa shmainei ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe poliths, opoiasdhpote xwras, otan probainei se tetoies energeies, prepei na exei ypoch toy oti analambanei kai thn eyqynh twn prajewn toy.

FILHS: Oi armodies yphresies toy kratoys, qewroyn oti yparxei problhma kataskopias, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh; Einai safhs h erwthsh. Den afora th Dikaiosynh. Afora to kratos, esas

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena poly lepto qema. Den exw ta stoixeia gia na mporw na apanthsw an prokeitai peri kataskopias h oxi. Bebaiws, jerw, opws gnwrizoyme oloi- oti exei apaggelqei kathgoria gia kataskopia. An htan kataskopia h oxi, qa apodeixqei apo thn anakritikh diadikasia h otan fqasei, endexomenws, to qema sto dikasthrio.

FILHS: Rwtw, ean h ekqesh ths EYP anaferei oti prokeitai peri kataskopias h oxi. Einai eyqeia h erwthsh. Den einai mystikh h ekqesh. Qa paei sto dikasthrio, meqayrio. Exete gnwsh toy qematos eseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na kanw dhlwseis peraiterw gi` ayto to zhthma. Pisteyw oti sas enhmerwsa. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai profylakismenoi, meta apo mia kathgoria gia kataskopia poy toys exei apaggelqei apo ton armodio anakrith kai ton armodio eisaggelea. An to adikhma einai se baqmo kakoyrghmatos h plhmmelhmatos, den qa to krinoyme emeis, oyte qa paroyme apofaseis gia thn profylakish toys h oxi. Emeis ofeiloyme na proeidopoioyme toys jenoys polites, opws kai toys Ellhnes, gia to ti einai paranomo. Ejalloy, yphrxan oles oi sxetikes pinakides sthn perioxh. Pisteyw oti to hjeran kai oi idioi.

FILHS: Xqes, egine mia apergia stis efhmerides "Bradynh" kai "Adesmeytos" twn epixeirhsewn Mhtsh, dioti h sygkekrimenh epixeirhsh den efarmozei tis syllogikes symbaseis, katastrathgei kanones ths ergatikhs nomoqesias kai proxwrei se apolyseis synadelfwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw, eseis ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, alla kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, pws sxoliazete aytes tis ejelijeis sto xwro toy Typoy; Prokeitai na zhthsete thn parembash twn armodiwn, twn Epiqewrhsewn Ergasias, prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn aytes oi kataggelies kai na yparjoyn oi nomimes kyrwseis; Ayto sto epipedo ths nomimothtas. Sto politiko epipedo, qa parete kapoia prwtoboylia, prokeimenoy na prolabete tetoia kymata paranomiwn sto xwro toy Typoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dikio. Einai ena qema poy mas apasxolei para poly. Den mporw, omws, ayth th stigmh, na kanw sygkekrimenh ejaggelia. Me apasxolei kai proswpika, to parakoloyqw, opws oloi emeis sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Exw milhsei gia to qema ayto me thn ESHEA. H kybernhsh den anexetai kamia paranomia, apo opoy ki an proerxetai. Qa prepei na thrhqoyn ta deonta kai na efarmostei o nomos pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Kata th gnwmh moy, polla apo ta zhthmata ayta prepei na lyqoyn me sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn. Oi ergazomenoi prepei na ameibontai, symfwna me tis symbaseis toys. Oi nomoi prepei na throyntai. Kai bebaiws, h efarmogh twn syllogikwn symbasewn qa epiblhqei me ta nomima mesa pros oles tis kateyqynseis.

FILHS: Ma, oi Epiqewrhseis Ergasias...

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa synennohqw me to ypoyrgeio Ergasias. Den eimai diateqeimenos, se kamia periptwsh, se opoiodhpote xwro -kai bebaiws idiaitera sto xwro toy Typoy ston opoio prepei na efarmozetai h arxh oti "h gynaika toy Kaisaros, oxi mono prepei na einai timia, alla kai na to deixnei"- na anexqw paranomies kai mh efarmogh twn syllogikwn symbasewn ergasias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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