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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-12-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Dekembrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Meta thn antapodotikh episkech toy Arxiepiskopoy ston ypoyrgo Paideias, anoigei o dromos kai gia mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo;

PRWTOPAPAS: H odos einai pantote anoikth. Yparxei shmera h antapodotikh episkech toy Arxiepiskopoy ston ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy. Emeis qeloyme kales sxeseis me thn Ekklhsia kai pisteyw oti yparxoyn oi dynatothtes gia ena gonimo dialogo panw sta qemata poy h Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas exei qesei.

GARGALAKOS: Akoygetai oti se mh egkairh antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apodidontai oi ejelijeis sxetika me thn ypoqesh toy Eyrwstratoy. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: To diabazw ayto, kata kairoys. To eida kai xqes stis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh. Qewrw oti ofeiletai se kakh enhmerwsh kai gnwsh toy oloy qematos, apo pleyras ths N.D. Diabazoyme stis idies dhlwseis oti o Eyrwstratos qa fylajei synora h oti qa parembainei se perioxes entos ths E.E. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti den einai etsi. O Eyrwstratos einai mia dynamh eirhnhs, asfaleias, omalothtas gia perioxes ektos ths E.E. Ean, gia paradeigma, yphrxe twra, qa mporoyse na apotelesei mia dynamh eirhneyshs sto Afganistan. H N.D., prokeimenoy na kanei antipoliteysh se ena qema poy den xwraei antipoliteysh, sygxeei ta pragmata kai peftei synexws se laqh poy deixnoyn oti den exei gnwsh sta zhthmata ths koinhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs asfaleias kai amynas. Apo thn allh pleyra, qelw na shmeiwsw oti h N.D. kai o arxhgos ths prepei na katalaboyn oti o ``antipalos'' den einai sto eswteriko ths xwras. Otan h xwra dinei mia maxh ofeiloyn na sthrizoyn ayth thn prospaqeia, pros ofelos genikotera ths xwras kai twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Den einai dynato me synexeis dhlwseis, epi treis hmeres, na prospaqoyn na thn apodynamwsoyn, na prospaqoyn na mas ekqesoyn, na prospaqoyn na prokalesoyn problhmata poy apodynamwnoyn th diapragmateytikh qesh ths xwras. Pisteyw oti me th stash toys ayth h N.D. kai o arxhgos ths, deixnoyn gia mia akomh fora, poso aneyqynh kai epikindynh einai h politikh toys kai sta ejwterika qemata. Prepei, epiteloys, na antilhfqoyn oti o ``antipalos'' den brisketai sto eswteriko ths xwras, otan milame gia ta eqnika dikaiwmata.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, apo ayta poy lete synagoyme to symperasma oti h E.E. den diasfalizei ta synora twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E.; Ean dyo krath-melh ths E.E. exoyn mia diatarajh sxesewn, o Eyrwstratos qa einai qeaths;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Eyrwstratos den qa parembainei se diafores sto eswteriko ths E.E. H E.E. exei alloys tropoys gia na antimetwpisei kai epilysei tis opoies diafores yparxoyn metajy twn kratwn-melwn. Gnwrizete oti akoloyqei mia politikh anoiktwn synorwn, mia politikh eniaias agoras, mia politikh synexoys synergasias, mia politikh synexoys epilyshs problhmatwn se ola ta zhthmata. Qa eimaste enas eniaios xwros. Apo kei kai pera, einai safes oti o Eyrwstratos den proorizetai gia eswteriko strato ths E.E. O Eyrwstratos qa einai mia dynamh asfaleias, omalothtas -qa elega ennomhs tajhs- kai synergasias se ``trites'' perioxes. Ayto qa xreiazotan kai sta Balkania, sta qemata toy Kosoboy, alla kai sto qema twn Skopiwn. Qa xreiazotan kai twra sto Afganistan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta anatolika synora ths E.E. poia einai; Giati lete ``ektos synorwn''. Ta anatolika synora ths E.E. poy stamatoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti oi xwres ths E.E. poy briskontai pio anatolika einai h Ellada kai h Filandia (sta boreia).

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ean metexei h Toyrkia ston Eyrwstrato, pws ginetai; Emeis qa eimaste ta synora ths E.E. kai qa einai kai h Toyrkia mesa...

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na syzhthsoyme gia to qema ayto, alla, fobamai oti ayto prepei na ginei me anesh xronoy, gia to ti akribws einai o Eyrwstratos h to organo ekeino poy qa ylopoihsei thn koinh eyrwpaikh politikh asfaleias kai amynas ths E.E. Den prokeitai gia ena strato antistoixo twn eqnikwn, o opoios qa emplakei se kapoies polemikes epixeirhseis h alles parembaseis sto eswteriko ths E.E. Qelw ayto na to katanohsoyn oloi. Einai ena organo eirhneyshs kai asfaleias pros tis ``trites'' xwres. Qa einai mia paroysia ths Eyrwphs sta qemata ayta. Anti na caxnoyme tis xwres poy qa symmetasxoyn kai na ginontai syskeceis kai na ta afhnoyme ola mono sto NATO h mono stis trites dynameis, qa prepei kai h Eyrwph na exei th dikh ths fwnh. Bebaiws, exei epilegei apo thn E.E., h synergasia me to NATO kai h xrhsh twn ypodomwn toy NATO.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote, ti Eyrwstratos einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai ena akadhmaiko erwthma. H pragmatikothta einai opws th lew. Exei epilegei h synergasia me tis ypodomes toy NATO. Epeidh epelegh h synergasia ayth, gi ayto kai proekyce h anagkh epilyshs toy zhthmatos, me poio tropo qa ginetai ayth h synergasia. Ekei, loipon, anefyh h diafora kai oxi sto poy qa parembainei o Eyrwstratos, giati, oytws h allws, den qa parembainei se perioxes ths E.E. H diafora anefyh sto an h Toyrkia mporei -gia na to pw kaqara- na mplokarei, gia paradeigma, mia apofash gia na metaboyn 5.000 stratiwtes toy Eyrwstratoy sto Afganistan h sto Kosobo h sta Skopia h opoydhpote alloy kai ti xarakthra qa exei ayth h parembash, poy pantws den qa einai polemikos. Ekei einai to problhma kai ekei mporei na proklhqoyn sobara zhthmata. Gi ayto to logo eipame oti den dexomaste tis diatypwseis toy agglikoy keimenoy. Apo tis anakoinwseis ths N.D. kai tis dhlwseis toy arxhgoy ths, diafainetai pws briskontai se plhrh sygxysh. Kai ean men h sygxysh ayth ofeiletai se agnoia den exoyn para na zhthsoyn th syndromh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, prokeimenoy na ginoyn oi anagkaies aposafhniseis. Ean, omws, ayth h sygxysh einai ek proqesews, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrgeitai mia antipoliteytikh taktikh, qelw na epishmanw oti ayto einai aneyqyno kai epikindyno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se mia dienejh Elladas-Toyrkias o Eyrwstratos ti rolo qa paijei; Giati einai ektos synorwn h Toyrkia...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai aytos o rolos toy, na parembainei se dienejeis aytoy toy typoy, gia tis opoies ejalloy otan lambanetai apofash xrhsimopoihshs ypodomwn toy NATO, egeirontai genikotera zhthmata, opws o rolos toy NATO. Se aytes tis periptwseis, epomenws, einai leptoi oi xeirismoi kai lepta ta qemata. Otan den ta jerei kaneis, kalo einai na mhn ekdidei synexws anakoinwseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: En toiayth periptwsei, giati h Ellada dinei th maxh kai sto Laaken kai den apodexetai ayto to perifhmo eggrafo twn HPA, Bretanias kai Toyrkias; Giati den to apodexetai, afoy den kindyneyei h Ellada; Eseis, kat epanalhch, exete pei edw oti qa yposthrijete ta eqnika mas symferonta. Poia eqnika mas symferonta, otan lete oti o Eyrwstratos den qa parembainei sta krath-melh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den einai enas eswterikos stratos ths E.E. Exei mia allh apostolh. Apo kei kai pera, einai safes oti ayth h apostolh prepei na oristei me tropo poy na diasfalizei thn idia thn aytonomia twn apofasewn ths E.E. Den einai dynato na ekxwrhqei se kapoion trito h dynatothta veto, stis apofaseis gia tis kinhseis toy Eyrwstratoy. Katalabainete ti qa shmanei ayto; Qa shmanei oti h Eyrwph qa paralysei se opoiadhpote ypoqesh mporei na endiaferei kai genikotera, alla kai th xwra mas. Epeidh, ayta einai poly eyaisqhta zhthmata, einai fysiko na mhn qeloyme na ekxwrhsoyme se opoiondhpote trito thn olh istoria.

KARGOYDH: Xqes, eixate zhthsei apo ton k. Royssopoylo na anaskeyasei mia anakoinwsh me thn opoia h N.D. dhlwne oti to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs den eixe pote logariasmoys se liberianh of shore etaireia. Qelw na rwthsw, ean apo th xqesinh anakoinwsh toy k. Royssopoyloy, h kybernhsh exei kalyfqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa perimena megalyterh gennaiothta. O k. Royssopoylos eipe oysiastika oti den apanta, giati h xwra exei alla problhmata. Bebaiws, h xwra exei problhmata, bebaiws prepei pantote na ta antimetwpizoyme kai h ypeyqynh kybernhsh ta antimetwpizei. Alla, otan yparxei ena qema hqikhs tajhs kai deontologias, prepei na exoyme to qarros se ayto to qema na topoqetoymaste kaqara. Pragmatika me ekplhssei h taktikh twn stelexwn ths N.D. Yparxoyn anakoinwseis toy k. Ebert, gia paradeigma, o opoios leei oti oydepote h N.D. xrhsimopoihse logariasmoys. O k. Mhtsotakhs leei oti, bebaiws, xrhsimopoioysan logariasmoys kai malista ek systhmatos kai sthn Agglia kai sth Germania. Exw thn entypwsh oti h sygxysh sthn opoia brisketai h N.D. ofeiletai akribws se ayth thn elleich qarroys gia na omologhsoyn ti pragmatika ginotan, pws xrhsimopoioysan toys logariasmoys se of shore etaireies kai gia poio skopo diatiqento ta xrhmata poy sygkentrwnontan apo aytoys toys logariasmoys. Perimenoyme kai shmera apo ton k. Royssopoylo, na topoqethqei me thn idiothta toy ekproswpoy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, sthn ekpomph @talk show@ toy ALPHA emfanisthke o ekdoths ths ``Ayrianhs'' k. Koyrhs kai synedese mia seira apo apokalyceis kai stoixeia me thn epoxh paromoiwn apokalycewn poy exoyn ginei apo ton k. Gryllakh. H kybernhsh skopeyei na ereynhsei ayto to qema; Poio einai to sxolio gia ta stoixeia poy synexws erxontai sth dhmosiothta, me aformh tis apokalyceis toy k. Gryllakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayto den einai qema poy afora thn kybernhsh. Afora alloys. Oi armodioi, as asxolhqoyn. Yparxei me ola ayta ena meizon qema diafaneias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``meizon qema diafaneias''; Ennoeite oti yparxei shmera meizon qema diafaneias sthn politikh zwh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anefyh apo aytes tis istories -oxi shmera- ena qema diafaneias. Yphrxan logariasmoi of shore, apo toys opoioys trofodotoyntan politika kommata. Malista, eipwqhke oti yphrxan kapoioi poy den hqelan na dwsoyn emfanws ta xrhmata gia forologikoys logoys... Egw den jerw poioi einai aytoi oi forologikoi logoi. Epishs, eipwqhke, apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, oti xrhmata apo ayto to logariasmo, diatiqento kai gia alloys skopoys. Ola ayta ta erwthmata anadeiknyoyn qema diafaneias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Egw sas rwthsa gia to qema twn ypoklopwn, epeidh o k. Koyrhs milhse gia sygkekrimenes ypoklopes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporei h kybernhsh na asxolhqei me ayto kai to katalabainete.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ena politiko sxolio qa hqela.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta aforoyn th sygkekrimenh periodo. Ean yparxoyn adikhmata, yparxoyn oi armodioi na ta ejetasoyn. Edw kai arketa xronia, tetoies dynatothtes den yparxoyn. Ayto exei diasfalistei plhrws me prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs. Kai shmera, xarh stis energeies kai ths kybernhshs, eimaste se ena teleiws diaforetiko kaqestws. Kai tetoia zhthmata den yfistantai.

TAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Pagkalos -epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos- dierwthqhke, xqes, afoy oles aytes oi istories, ek twn pragmatwn, exoyn amnhsteyqei kai den mporei na antimetwpistoyn dikastika, meta thn istoria toy '94 sth Boylh kai thn tote apofash ths kybernhshs, na mh synexisei to qema sto Eidiko Dikasthrio, ti nohma exei kai poion skopo ejyphretei h anamoxleysh olhs ayths ths istorias. Eseis pws sxoliazete ayth thn topoqethsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti thn anamoxleysh thn ekane o k. Mhtsotakhs.

TAKHS: Ki egw lew ti eipe o k. Pagkalos. Xrhsimopoiw logia toy. Den einai dika moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na sxoliazw stelexh mas. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti oysiastika to qema "anamoxleythke" -an moy epitrepete na xrhsimopoihsw ayth thn ekfrash, dioti isws na mhn einai h pio dokimh- apo th makroskelh topoqethsh toy k. Mhtsotakh, th Deytera to brady sthn ekpomph toy k. Xatzhnikolaoy, kata thn opoia anaferqhke se mia seira apo tetoia zhthmata kai elyse, pisteyw, apories poy eixan dhmioyrghqei gyrw apo thn yparjh twn logariasmwn. Apo ekei kai pera, ypenqymizw oti stis 18/10/2001 o k. Royssopoylos eixe kanei sxetikh topoqethsh, h opoia -opws apodeixqhke twra- den isxyei. Qa htan apolytws fysiologiko na kleisei to qema h N.D., topoqetoymenh kai paradexomenh pws ayta ta pragmata ginontan sto komma ths, wste o kaqenas na bgalei ta symperasmata toy.

TAKHS: Dikastika qewreite oti to qema mporei na anoijei jana;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai diko moy qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Royssopoylos anamoxleyse to qema; Milhse gia tis parakoloyqhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Anaferomai stoys logariasmoys. Anaferomai sthn apo 18/10/2001, dhlwsh toy.

TAMATOPOYLOS: Giati o k. Pagkalos milhse gia tis parakoloyqhseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka sthn apo 18/10/2001 anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy ths N.D.. Ekana anafora ston ekproswpo toy kommatos.

TAKHS: O k. Pagkalos anaferqhke se ola: Kai sto qema ths Mayo kai stis parakoloyqhseis, se olo ayto to skhniko poy yparxei to teleytaio diasthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhke kai sto qema ths Mayo, gia to opoio eginei h xqesinh anafora moy stis anakoinwseis ths N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kai toy Gryllakh@

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn polla. Einai logiko oti oi polites ta parakoloyqoyn. Bgazoyn ta symperasmata toys. Apo ekei kai pera den nomizw oti h kybernhsh mporei na kanei kati allo, apo o,ti exei kanei mexri twra. Apo thn arxh qesame erwthmata. Emeis den yioqetoyme, ej orismoy, kamia kataggelia kai ayto einai para poly safes. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti o idios o k. Mhtsotakhs, sth synenteyjh toy ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy, paradexqhke mia seira pragmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai kai h kybernhsh, omws, koykoylwse to qema twn ypoklopwn to '94.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei diasfalisei apolytws oti ypoklopes sthn politikh zwh den yparxoyn. Se oti afora malista ayth thn kybernhsh den prokeitai pote na yparjoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhn eiste toso bebaios.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai apolytws bebaios kai den to syzhtw.

PITTARAS: Gia to endexomeno synanthshs Arxiepiskopoy kai Prwqypoyrgoy, eipate oti eiste etoimoi na milhsete gia ta qemata poy exei qesei h Ekklhsia. H Ierarxia qetei epishs kai to qema twn taytothtwn. Ayto qa to syzhthsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto se oloys oti to qema twn taytothtwn exei kleisei. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxoyn para polla zhthmata poy dhmioyrgoyn ena plaisio gonimoy dialogoy kai synergasias. Exoyn teqei gia paradeigma zhthmata poy aforoyn thn ekklhsiastikh ekpaideysh, thn ekklhsiastikh dikaiosynh, exoyn teqei apo thn idia thn Ekklhsia kapoia zhthmata poy aforoyn thn ekklhsiastikh perioysia. Se ola ayta ta qemata qeloyme na anaptyxqei enas gonimos dialogos. Proqesh mas einai na exoyme synexh synergasia me thn Ekklhsia ths Elladas, bebaiws me toys diakritoys roloys toy kaqenos, prokeimenoy na epilyontai, na briskontai koina apodektes lyseis se ola ayta ta zhthmata poy qetei h Ekklhsia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw an h kybernhsh otan oi ergazomenoi diamartyrontai qa toys antimetwpizei me ta MAT kai me dhlhthriwdh aeria, opws egine shmera sthn Peiraiws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mia kathgoria poy kaneis den mporei na prosacei se ayth thn kybernhsh einai h kathgoria poy exei na kanei me th bia kata apergwn. Tetoio qema den yparxei. Bebaiws, yparxoyn kapoia zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn thrhsh ths tajhs kai th diasfalish synqhkwn omalothtas sthn prwteyoysa kai genikotera sth xwra. Antimetwpizoyme panta me sebasmo tis kinhtopoihseis twn ergazomenwn. Prospaqoyme panta na briskoyme lyseis. Yparxoyn panta qetikes protaseis apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra. Sth gnwsth istoria ayths ths apergias, einai profanes oti anagkasthkame se kapoies prosfyges gia na prostatecoyme to koinwniko synolo kai th dhmosia ygeia, me apokleistiko logo ayton kai tipota allo. Pisteyoyme oti panta yparxoyn ta periqwria na breqoyn lyseis kai oti parallhla prepei na prostateyoyme tis synqhkes omalothtas ths koinwnikhs kai oikonomikhs zwhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh me ta MAT. Ayto qelete na moy peite. Giati, shmera jylo "epese". Den ta eidate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa. Kaneis den mporei na kathgorhsei ayth thn kybernhsh oti prospaqei na astynomokratei h na dhmioyrgei problhmata se baros twn ergatikwn diekdikhsewn. Antiqetws, malista. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti den prepei na yparxoyn oi stoixeiwdeis dynatothtes gia thn prostasia kai thn omalothta ths koinwnikhs kai oikonomikhs zwhs. Panta proseggizoyme me sebasmo tis diekdikhseis kai anazhtoyme lyseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opws eixe ginei kai me toys syntajioyxoys, an qymaste.

PRWTOPAPAS: Blepw oti shmera hrqate "orejatos", k. Stamatopoyle. To xairomai ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis Ntenktas - Etsebit gia to Kypriako, poy einai para poly proklhtikes kai malista en anamonh ths 16hs Ianoyarioy opote qa arxisei o -proswpo me proswpo- dialogos me ton Ntenktas. Dierwtwmai an me aytes tis proklhtikes dhlwseis, oti @"den qa ginei h Kypros Krhth", oti ta edafh poy kratoyn qa parameinoyn sthn Toyrkia, einai dynato na proxwrhsei enas dialogos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Toyrkia den epeleje tyxaia th nea taktikh, thn opoia gia merikes hmeres edeije. Thn epeleje dioti diapistwse oti h taktikh poy akoloyqoyse thn odhgoyse se adiejodo. Oti h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. prowqeito, anejarthtws apo th stashs ths. Oti eixe mpei h Kypros sthn telikh eyqeia. Kai qelw idiaitera na shmeiwsw oti sthn apofash toy Laaken, h Kypros anaferetai ws h prwth sth seira -kai h seira den einai tyxaia- pros entajh xwra. Katanoeite, loipon, oti h Toyrkia breqhke mprosta se ena dedomeno. Oti symfwna me tis dhlwseis toy k. Pronti kai toy armodioy Epitropoy, symfwna me th qesh ths E.E. h Kypros eixe mpei sthn telikh eyqeia -bebaiws yparxoyn akomh kapoia problhmata- gia thn entajh ths sthn E.E. H Toyrkia akoloyqhse mia taktikh, phre kapoies prwtoboylies. Eyxomaste na einai eilikrineis. Alla ean den einai, den eimaste emeis ekeinoi poy qa apempolhsoyme kati. Pros Qeoy! Den yparxei tetoio problhma. Emeis ofeiloyme, otan yparxoyn prwtoboylies, na tis ajiopoioyme pros ofelos twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Ayto ekane kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE pros ofelos twn symferontwn ths. An apo ekei kai pera h Toyrkia deijei ena diaforetiko proswpo h deijei diaforetikes prwtoboylies, nomizw oti o xamenos den qa eimaste emeis. Qa einai ekeinh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Nai, alla ena "nayagio" poso qa ephreasei thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena "nayagio" stis synomilies -poy bebaia den einai eykoles- den mporei na ephreasei thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy. Ayto einai para poly safes. Eyktaia, anagkaia kai epiqymhth einai h lysh toy Kypriakoy sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. An, omws, kati den paei kala, den shmainei oti ayto ephreazei thn poreia entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.. Mas endiaferei kai to ena kai to allo, alla einai dyo diaforetika qemata gia mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw gia thn Olympiakh. Alla eipe xqes o k. Berelhs kai alla eipe sth Boylh o k. Xristodoylakhs. Ti akribws prokeitai na ginei me thn O.A.; Mhpws mporeite na mas peite eseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh -kai o k. Berelhs kai o k. Xristodoylakhs apo koinoy kai panta me stenh synergasia- ejetazei thn poreia twn telikwn diapragmateysewn gia th deyterh prosfora. Ean h deyterh prosfora den kriqei ikanopoihtikh (gnwrizete oti ayto qa oloklhrwqei mesa se liges hmeres) einai safes oti na anazhthqoyn kai enallaktika senaria gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos. H kybernhsh epejergazetai kai ayta ta senaria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati o k. Xristodoylakhs sth Boylh afhse safws na ennohqei oti den yparxei agorasths kai oti kai h deyterh prosfora den einai sobarh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Lete "afhse na ennohqei". Kaqenas mporei na ermhneysei thn kaqe omilia, opws aytos krinei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Safestatos htan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei stenh synergasia twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn kai ejetazetai apo oles tis pleyres h deyterh prosfora. Ean h deyterh prosfora den ginei apodekth einai safes oti h kybernhsh qa anazhthsei enallaktika senaria. Den prokeitai na pame oyte se mia logikh opoy den qa exoyme eqniko aerometaforea, oyte omws kai na synexistei mia katastash, opoy o ellhnikos laos qa kaleitai synexws na plhrwnei ta xreh ths Olympiakhs. Den ginetai oyte to ena, oyte to allo. Prepei na breqoyn oi katallhles lyseis. Kai qa breqoyn oi katallhles lyseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, me ayto poy mas eipate qa yparjoyn apolyseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den to eipate, afoy lete oti "den mporei na plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos"; Twra to katalabate! Giati o ellhnikos laos exei plhrwsei polla disekatommyria.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme anaferqei, kat` epanalhch se ayta. Xairw dioti sebeste toso poly to xrhma toy ellhnikoy laoy kai poly kala kanete. H Kybernhsh xeirizetai to qema kata ton pleon ypeyqyno tropo kai malista se mia dyskolh periodo gia oles tis aeroporikes etaireies. Prepei na sas qymisw oti h Sabena exei kleisei, h Swiss Air einai se mia pragmatika para poly dyskolh katastash, h Alitalia antimetwpizei polla problhmata kai amerikanikes etaireies ekleisan. Kai qelw na sas pw oti par` ola ayta, edw, h O.A. den qa kleisei. Qa yparxei panta enas eqnikos aerometaforeas, alla bebaiws aytos den mporei na sthrizetai synexws se olo kai nea xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy. Prepei na staqei gera sta podia toy. Kai ayto apaitei enallaktika senaria poy h kybernhsh meleta.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA, exoyme kati neo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw pei oti stis 10 Ianoyarioy, to meshmeri, yparxei h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro twn HPA Tzwrtz Mpoys. Apodidoyme idiaiterh shmasia se ayth thn para poly shmantikh episkech. Kai xairw idiaitera, dioti kai h amerikanikh pleyra, me anakoinwsh poy ejedwse, blepei thn episkech me ton idio tropo. Oi leptomereies toy programmatos qa sas anakoinwqoyn molis eimaste etoimoi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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SHMEIWSH: Ayrio (20/12/2001) h politikh enhmerwsh den qa pragmatopoihqei, logw ths stashs ergasias poy exei khryjei h ESHEA.


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