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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-12

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Febroyarioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na kanw mia eisagwgikh parathrhsh. Shmera to prwi, o arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs episkefqhke ton Proedro ths Boylhs Apostolo Kaklamanh kai eqese kapoia qemata gyrw apo thn chfish twn ektelestikwn nomwn toy Syntagmatos kai sygkekrimena to nomo gia to asymbibasto.

Qelw me thn eykairia ayth, epeidh eginan kai dhlwseis apo ton arxhgo ths N.D., na sxoliasw ta ejhs: Qewrw oti o k. Karamanlhs gnwrize pws thn Pempth to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio prokeitai na syzhthsei to prosxedio nomoy gia to asymbibasto metajy basikoy metoxoy radiothleoptikoy Mesoy h efhmeridas kai epixeirhmatia, o opoios synallassetai me to Dhmosio. Me ayth thn ennoia, h episkech toy ston Proedro ths Boylhs gia na qesei qema dhqen kaqysterhshs kai anazhthshs toy shmeioy sto opoio brisketai to sxetiko prosxedio, apokalyptei mia stash kaqara ypokritikh, mia stash poy aposkopei mono sth dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. H politikh, omws, den ginetai me "trik". H politikh ginetai me epixeirhmata, me qeseis kai me sobaro dialogo panw sta problhmata. Lypoymai -kai prepei na to pw- giati to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, to komma ths N.D., arnhqhke to dialogo me thn kybernhsh, otan zhthsa me epistolh moy, opws zhthsa kai apo ta alla kommata, na orisoyn ekproswpo me ton opoio qa syzhtoysame to prosxedio nomoy gia to asymbibasto, ena basiko nomoqethma, gia na erqei sth Boylh, meta to dialogo, me oso to dynato megalyterh symfwnia mporoyse na epiteyxqei. H N.D. arnhqhke ayto to dialogo. H N.D. mas eipe oti den epiqymei na syzhthsei. H N.D. steketai ypokritika apenanti sto problhma kai to syndeei mono me tis mikrokommatikes epidiwjeis ths. O k. Karamanlhs espeyse me mia episkech -"trik" na prospaqhsei na dhmioyrghsei tis entypwseis oti dhqen aytos einai poy agwnia kai dhqen aytos einai poy "sprwxnei" sth sxetikh kateyqynsh. Politikh, omws, me "trik" den ginetai. Kai ekeino poy prepei na tonisoyme einai oti h N.D. qa prepei epiteloys na askhsei sobarh antipoliteysh, na kanei dialogo kai na dexqei, epanadiatypwnontas tis apoceis ths kai epanorioqetwntas th stash ths na syzhthsei me thn kybernhsh gia to sxetiko qema.

Einai sth diaqesh sas h apanthsh toy k. Sioyfa sthn epistolh moy poy nomizw oti ajizei na th diabasete, dioti pragmatika deixnei tis apoceis ths N.D. gia to dialogo.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TAKHS: Ektos apo to qema toy basikoy metoxoy kai twn MME, o k. Karamanlhs eqese ston k. Kaklamanh kai to qema twn ypoloipwn ektelestikwn nomwn poy xreiazontai gia thn efarmogh toy neoy Syntagmatos, dedomenoy toy gegonotos oti ayth thn ebdomada h Boylh den exei kanena nomosxedio na syzhthsei. Kai deyteron, o k. Karamanlhs zhthse na paraxwrhsei h ERT analogikes syxnothtes gia na proballetai h Boylh, oxi mono apo thn chfiakh platforma, alla kai apo analogiko kanali, wste na mporoyn na to blepoyn oloi oi Ellhnes. Ep` aytoy toy qematos exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap` o,ti diabazw apo tis anakoinwseis toy idioy toy k. Karamanlh to deytero qema poy eqese afora to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos kai oxi genikotera toys ektelestikoys nomoys, dioti@

TAKHS: Eqese oloys toys ektelestikoys nomoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, alla diabazw tis dhlwseis toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Symfwna, loipon, me aytes tis dhlwseis -giati den mporw na gnwrizw ti syzhthqhke sth synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Boylhs- to deytero qema poy eqese afora thn efarmogh mias paragrafoy toy arqroy 15, to opoio anaferetai sthn kalyterh paroysiash toy ergoy ths Boylhs. H kybernhsh den exei kamia antirrhsh na syzhthsei kai ayto to shmeio. Qa perimenoyme th N.D., thn opoia kalesame me sxetikh epistolh na kataqesei tis apoceis ths gia thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos kai th diatypwsh poy proteinei gia toys sxetikoys nomoys, oson afora to arqro 14, alla kai to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos. H N.D. arnhqhke. Kai oxi mono arnhqhke na syzhthsei me thn Kybernhsh, alla jafnika emfanizetai paramonh ths sxetikhs syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio o k. Karamanlhs na kanei dhqen diabhmata -dioti einai kaqaro oti prokeitai gia epikoinwniako "trik"- pros ton Proedro ths Boylhs. H kybernhsh den exei kamia antirrhsh na syzhthsei otidhpote. Anelabe h idia thn prwtoboylia kai me sobarh doyleia fernei to prosxedio toy sxetikoy ektelestikoy nomoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Bebaiws, qa epakoloyqhsei dialogos me oloys toys foreis. Dialogos anoiktos kai xwris tetelesmena. Dialogos apo ton opoio elpizw na mhn apoysiasei, telikws, to komma ths N.D. Dioti ayto den einai omalo gia th Dhmokratia kai th syzhthsh gyrw apo ena nomo poy den mporei na allazei kaqe ligo, alla antiqetws prepei na exei staqera xarakthristika kai na dhmioyrgei synqhkes oristikhs tajhs sto radiothleoptiko pedio.

Bebaiws, h kybernhsh dexetai na syzhthsei kai thn paragrafo toy arqroy 15 gia na ginei ektelestikos nomos to qema ths kalychs twn syzhthsewn ths Boylhs. Qelw, omws, na ypenqymisw oti opws gnwrizete meta apo sxetiko nomo, exei hdh epiblhqei ypoxrewsh se oles tis chfiakes platformes, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn ayth th stigmh sthn Ellada -kai anaferomai sth Nova, alla kai ton Alpha Digital- na exoyn dwrean mesa sto "mpoyketo" toys to kanali ths Boylhs, to programma toy opoioy metadidetai -kai malista dwrean- se osoys exoyn toys sxetikoys apokwdikopoihtes. Apo ekei kai pera, ean yparxei protash gia ypoxrewtikh epibolh -kai pros ta idiwtika kanalia- wras gia to Koinoboylio einai ena qema poy den mas briskei antiqetoys na to syzhthsoyme, an proteinetai.

TAKHS: Allo eipe o k. Karamanlhs. Eipe na dwsei h ERT syxnothta sta analogika.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exete diabasei kala tis dhlwseis toy.

TAKHS: Hmoyn ekei otan tis ekane, den tis exw diabasei. Eipe kai gia to kommati toy analogikoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei pei kai ta dyo. Dhladh, exei pei kai gia to arqro 15, to opoio bebaiws apasxolei thn kybernhsh@

TAKHS: Yparxei sto Syntagma oytws h allws. Einai ypoxrewtiko gia ta mh idiwtika kanalia.

PRWTOPAPAS: To Syntagma den anaferei tetoio pragma. To Syntagma anaferei oti "nomos orizei", dhladh to afhnei sth diakritikh eyxereia ths Boylhs, gia na ryqmistei me ektelestiko nomo, meta apo protash ths kybernhshs, bebaiws. Mporei na meinoyme se ayto poy isxyei shmera, mporei kai oxi. Einai qema synennohsewn kai apofasewn poy qa yparjoyn. Dioti, opws gnwrizete, shmera h kratikh thleorash exei merimnhsei kai exei ekpompes -kai malista polywres- gia thn probolh twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Metadidei oles tis syzhthseis poy ginontai se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn, tis legomenes pro hmerhsias diatajews. Exei eidikh ekpomph gia tis erwthseis, tis eperwthseis kai th syzhthsh twn nomosxediwn. Kai, bebaiws, exei merimnhsei na metadidetai oloklhrh h syzhthsh gia ton Proypologismo, opws epishs kai alles kentrikes syzhthseis poy ginontai sto Koinoboylio. An apo ekei kai pera qa teqei h oxi qema pros ta idiwtika kanalia h oxi, einai kati poy to ejetazoyme. Bebaiws, ean h N.D. exei tetoia apoch, eyxaristws kai se ayto to qema qa akoysoyme tis apoceis ths.

Oson afora to trito meros ths erwthshs sas, gia tis syxnothtes ths ERT, einai ena kaqara texniko qema, to opoio epishmainw oti eixe syzhthqei kai sto parelqon. Den mporw ayth th stigmh na apanthsw, dioti to qema ayto den exei na kanei mono me politikes, alla kai me tis texnikes dynatothtes sto radiothleoptiko topio. Bebaiws, den exoyme kamia proqesh, ean yparxei tetoia boylhsh apo ton politiko kosmo, na mhn to ejetasoyme. Omws, kaqara kai mesa sto texniko plaisio poy einai efikto. Den mporw, omws, na desmeytw ayth th stigmh. Giati -epanalambanw- einai qema politiko, alla kai texniko taytoxrona, poy prepei opws ola ayta ta zhthmata na ejetastei apo oles tis pleyres. Qewrw, omws, oti o arxhgos ths N.D. epixeirhse ena "trik" giati apo th mia arneitai to dialogo me thn kybernhsh se ola ayta ta qemata -sth diaqesh sas einai h epistolh toy k. Sioyfa- kai apo thn allh phgainei ston Proedro ths Boylhs, gia na zhthsei kati kai na milhsei gia dhqen kaqysterhsh, gnwrizontas oti meta apo dyo hmeres h kybernhsh fernei ton ektelestiko nomo gia to arqro 14 paragrafos 9. Ayta ta pragmata den peiqoyn kanenan. Ayth den einai antipoliteysh h opoia exei ta xarakthristika poy prepei na exei sta shmerina dedomena. Einai "trik", einai mono mia prospaqeia dhmioyrgias epikoinwniakoy klimatos gia mikrokommatika ofelh. Den bohqa to dialogo. Den bohqa th synennohsh poy exei anagkh, se ayta ta qemata, kai o ellhnikos laos kai to politeyma mas. Kai, bebaiws, den mporei para na synanthsei thn arnhsh, thn antidrash mas.

Oson afora, to allo qema poy qesate qelw na sas epishmanw oti prepei na antilhfqoyn oloi pws exei allajei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. Kai me thn allagh toy polla sxedia nomoy kai polles sxetikes syzhthseis ginontai kat` eyqeian stis Epitropes. Apasxoloyn mono mia hmera to Koinoboylio. Ara, einai logiko na exei allajei kati sth Boylh me thn efarmogh toy neoy Kanonismoy. Kai se ayto den prepei na eimaste antiqetoi, alla qetikoi, dioti dieykolynetai kai kaqistatai pio apotelesmatikh h leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy.

TAKHS: Nomosxedia den exei. Oti exei allajei to jeroyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn nomosxedia pros syzhthsh, poy, omws, den ginetai pleon me thn paradosiakh antilhch ths syzhthshs triwn kai tessarwn hmerwn sthn Olomeleia.

KARGOYDH: An ypoqesoyme oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths Pempths katalhgei se mia apofash, sxetika me ton ektelestiko nomo twn arqrwn 14 kai 15, pws h kybernhsh skopeyei na meqodeysei ayton ton prokoinoboyleytiko dialogo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to arqro 15, qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti orismenes paragrafoi qa entaxqoyn sto nomosxedio poy qa ferei, ws synarmodio, mazi me to ypoyrgeio mas, to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, sxetika me tis ryqmiseis ths proeklogikhs periodoy. Ena kommati, loipon, toy arqroy 15 poy afora tis ypoxrewseis twn radiothleoptikwn Meswn kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy, qa entaxqei sto nomosxedio poy qa paroysiasei sth Boylh o k. Skandalidhs, mazi me th dikh mas ypografh. Ara, ekei qa yparxei o ektelestikos nomos kai gia ena kommati toy arqroy 15.

KARGOYDH: To nomosxedio gia to politiko xrhma, ennoeite.

PRWTOPAPAS: To nomosxedio gia to legomeno "politiko xrhma", den qa legetai etsi, bebaiws. Einai h ekfrash poy exoyme synhqisei. Oson afora to arqro 14 par. 9, qa paroysiasoyme ws ypoyrgeio Typoy, thn Pempth, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oloklhrwmeno prosxedio nomoy, gia arxikh egkrish. Sth synexeia qa doqei se oloys toys endiaferomenoys kai sta politika kommata, gia to sxetiko dialogo poy qa ginei mesa se ena sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma poy qa prosdiorisei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa einai ena diasthma ikano men gia to dialogo, xwris omws na dhmioyrgei peraiterw xronika problhmata. H arxh qa ginei apo tis dhmosiografikes enwseis. Exoyme, hdh, zhthsei synanthsh me thn ESHEA kai thn POESY, meta thn Pempth to meshmeri, gia na paroysiasoyme to prosxedio kai na zhthsoyme -oxi bebaia thn idia wra- tis apoceis toys. Qa yparjei o eylogos xronos gia thn anagkaia proetoimasia. Analoges prwtoboylies qa lhfqoyn kai pros oloys toys foreis, oi opoioi emplekontai sto qema ayto, opws foreis toy ekdotikoy kai toy dhmosiografikoy xwroy. Qa stalei, epishs, kai pros toys idiokthtes twn thleoptikwn staqmwn, epeidh den yparxei foreas ths thleoptikhs idiokthsias. Qelw na tonisw oti qa steilw kai pali to sxetiko prosxedio sta politika kommata, me prosklhsh toy ekproswpoy poy exei oristei. Elpizw oti h N.D., ektos apo "trik", qa kanei kai oysiastikh politikh. Meta to peras toy dialogoy qa yparjoyn ta telika symperasmata. H kybernhsh analambanei panta tis eyqynes ths. Qa yparjei to teliko sxedio nomoy, to opoio mazi me orismenes alles ryqmiseis, hssonos shmasias, alla poy einai anagkaies kai aforoyn to radiothleoptiko topio, qa erqei sto Koinoboylio gia thn telikh syzhthsh, me bash ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs.

KARGOYDH: Pote peripoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th diadikasia qa thn prosdiorisei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa oloklhrwqei, pantws, se eylogo xroniko diasthma. Den qelw na desmeyqw, prin th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Opws gnwrizete, qewrhtikws, den exei kaqysterhsei o ektelestikos nomos. Yphrxe, dhladh, periqwrio mexri thn anoijh. Parola ayta, to fernoyme poly nwritera. Entos toy Martioy, anamenetai na katateqei sth Boylh to sxetiko nomosxedio.

IWANNOY: O k. Mhtsotakhs, xqes, sthn ekpomph toy Payloy Tzhma "Kokkino pani" ston ANTENNA, sas kalese kai gia to qema twn adeiwn poy exei syzhthqei tis teleytaies hmeres -oti dhladh kaqystereite edw kai arketa xronia- na dwsete tis adeies kai na jekaqarisei to radiothleoptiko topio. Sas kalese epishs kai gia to radiothleoptiko symboylio to opoio eipe pws o,ti kanei, to kanei mono toy kai oti den exete ferei akoma to nomo me ton opoio qa energopoihqei h eklogh ths anejarthths Arxhs apo th Boylh. Epishs eipe oti to qema toy basikoy metoxoy poy apasxolei kai thn kybernhsh, aytes tis hmeres, den einai kai toso shmantiko. To shmantiko einai to qema twn mikroterwn metoxwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws eidate yparxei kai diafwnia metajy koryfaiwn stelexwn ths N.D., alla den nomizw oti xreiazetai, ayth th stigmh, na to sxoliasw peraiterw. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti, pragmati, akoysa kai egw arketa endiaferonta pragmata apo ton epitimo arxhgo ths N.D., sth xqesinh synenteyjh toy. Qelw na shmeiwsw ena apo ayta, poy me briskei symfwno: Thn epishmansh toy gia to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos, sto shmeio poy leei oti "h radiofwnia kai h thleorash ypagontai ston ameso elegxo toy kratoys". Qelw na tonisw -gi` ayto milhsa apo thn arxh gia kwdika deontologias kai yphrjan kai kapoies enstaseis- oti einai diaforetiko pragma otan enas idiwths, katw apo toys nomoys poy yfistantai -kai den xreiazetai na allajoyn- mporei na ekdwsei thn efhmerida toy kai an qijei kapoion yparxei plhrhs nomoqesia -kai ayth den xreiazetai na allajei- prokeimenoy o qigomenos na prosfygei sta dikasthria kai na apokatasthsei to onoma toy. Ara, exoyme mia plhrh nomoqesia ston tomea poy afora ton Typo kai den ektimoyme oti xreiazontai allages ayth th stigmh. Einai, omws, anagkh na yparjei enas kwdikas deontologias poy na exei protaqei kai na threitai apo to ESR. Kai ayto me dedomeno oti to radiofwno kai h thleorash apasxoloyn syxnothtes, poy einai dhmosio agaqo kai malista idiaitera akribo, symfwna kai me to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos -poy einai safes sto shmeio ayto kai den mporei na amfisbhthqei- to lew, giati akoysa kai orismenes aitiaseis. Den kanoyme tipota perissotero kai tipota ligotero apo ta problepomena sto arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos, to opoio kalw oloys na to diabasoyn.

Qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti exei kinhqei, edw kai peripoy dyo ebdomades, h diadikasia gia th sygkrothsh toy neoy ESR. Den xreiazetai neos nomos gia to ESR. O nomos einai plhrhs. Xreiazetai mia epistolh toy ypoyrgoy Typoy kai MME pros ton Proedro ths Boylhs, meta thn chfish toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs. Otan ton perasmeno mhna dhmosieyqhke o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, esteila mia epistolh ston k. Kaklamanh, meta apo synennohsh mazi toy, me thn opoia toy zhtw na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies symfwna me ton Kanonismo gia na sygkrothqei to neo ESR. Exei kinhqei h diadikasia kai den yphrje kaqysterhsh. Dioti, qa eprepe na jeroyn oi proballontes tis sxetikes aitiaseis, oti den mporoyse na kinhqei h diadikasia, ean den chfizotan prwta kai den dhmosieyotan sto FEK o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. Otan oloklhrwqhke -kai oloklhrwqhke se syntomo xroniko diasthma kai me sobarh doyleia poy ekane h Boylh ypo thn epopteia toy Proedroy ths- tote eixa kai egw th dynatothta -kai amesws antapokriqhka- na steilw sxetikh epistolh kai na kinhqei h diadikasia gia th sygkrothsh toy neoy ESR.

Oloi katanooyme oti mia diadikasia poy oysiastika apaitei thn omofwnia, th syntriptikh pleiochfia twn 4/5 ths diaskechs twn Proedrwn, poy qa elega oti apotelei mikrografia toy Koinoboylioy, katalabainete oti den einai eykolh h diadikasia kai den einai sta xeria ths kybernhshs. Oloi katalabainoyme oti xreiazontai leptoi xeirismoi kai oti ta proswpa poy qa prepei na breqoyn den prepei aplws kai mono na ypodeiknyontai apo kapoio komma, alla na tygxanoyn eyryterhs apodoxhs kai empistosynhs. Qa einai mia anejarthth Arxh poy den qa yfistatai oyte kan elegxo nomimothtas apo to ypoyrgeio.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia to basiko metoxo. Gi` ayto poy eipe o k. Mhtsotakhs oti, telika to zhthma den einai sto pososto toy basikoy metoxoy, alla se aytoys poy qa exoyn mikrotero ariqmo metoxwn. Epishs, qa hqela mia dhlwsh gi` ayto poy eipe oti den yparxoyn ejwqesmika parakentra. Anaferomai sthn teleytaia epiqesh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, exei kleisei. Exoyme topoqethqei, kat` epanalhch, kai den nomizw oti xreiazetai nea topoqethsh. Apo ekei kai pera, dhlwseis poy proerxontai, eite apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, eite apo alloys, tis parakoloyqw oles me idiaitero sebasmo kai prosoxh.

Oson afora to qema toy posostoy, qa exoyme thn eykairia na to syzhthsoyme, meta th dhmosiopoihsh prosxedioy. Sas proanaggellw oti, thn Pempth, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, qa sas enhmerwsw edw gia to qema ayto kai qa sas paroysiasw to sxetiko sxedio. Qa exoyme thn eykairia, sto diasthma poy qa yparjei mexri thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy sth Boylh, na apantoyme kai bebaiws, ean yparxoyn kai swstes protaseis, na beltiwsoyme kai kapoia pragmata.

BATIKIWTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, sxetika me tis kameres poy exoyn topoqethqei ejw apo ta grafeia ths efhmeridas "PRIN" kai toy "Neoy Aristeroy Reymatos". Epeidh einai prwtognwro fainomeno, toylaxiston gia ta teleytaia xronia, na topoqetoyntai kameres ejw apo mia aristerh efhmerida, prokeitai h kybernhsh na tis aposyrei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti den topoqethqhke kamia kamera gia na parakoloyqei ta grafeia opoiasdhpote organwshs h politikoy kommatos. Ayto einai ejw apo th logikh mas. Den einai qema syzhthshs. Mhpws aytes einai kameres poy exei topoqethsei h Troxaia se lewforeiodromoys kai se alla shmeia; Alla, sas lew mhn kanete opoiadhpote synarthsh toy qematos aytoy, me politikh skopimothta. Se ayto eimai kaqetos.

BATIKIWTHS: Tetoia kamera htan.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kamera ayth brisketai ekei gia na parakoloyqei toys parabates kai oxi esas. En pash periptwsei, ean ayto einai to problhma, mporeite na steilete epistolh pros thn Astynomia kai na enhmerwsoyme kai emeis gia tis aitiaseis sas. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh na symbaloyme, ean ayto einai to problhma. Oi armodies yphresies antimetwpizoyn panta tetoia zhthmata me ayjhmenh eyaisqhsia, giati ayth einai h entolh poy exoyn apo thn kybernhsh.

TAKHS: Erxetai kai sthn koinwnikh zwh twra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy dinete thn aformh na pw me posh prosoxh kai posoys kanones, gia paradeigma to BBC, antimetwpizei to qema ths kryfhs kameras. Sthn Ellada qa prepei na synhqisoyme oti prepei na yparxoyn tetoioi kanones.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy lete oti yparxei to Syntagma, yparxoyn oi nomoi, giati epimenete ston Kwdika Deontologias; Mporeite na moy peite; Yparxei kwdikas deontologias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat arxas na sas pw giati epimenw sto na yparxei kwdikas deontologias: Yparxei to arqro 15, par.9 toy Syntagmatos, poy ejhgei oti h radiofwnia kai h thleorash ypagontai ston ameso elegxo toy kratoys. O elegxos kai h epibolh twn dioikhtikwn kyrwsewn -ara prepei na yparxei kwdikas- ypagontai sthn apokleistikh armodiothta toy ESR. O amesos elegxos toy kratoys exei skopo thn antikeimenikh kai me isoys oroys metadoshs twn plhroforiwn, twn proiontwn toy logoy, thn ejasfalish ths poiotikhs staqmhs, to sebasmo ths ajias toy atomoy k.l.p. Dhladh, to idio to Syntagma ypoxrewnei na yparxei enas kwdikas gi ayta ta qemata. H efarmogh toy kwdika den parakoloyqeitai apo thn kybernhsh, qelw na sas diabebaiwsw gi ayto. O kwdikas, opws kai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres, parakoloyqeitai apo to ESR, to opoio qa einai, pleon, plhrws anejarthth arxh. Xqes, htan pragmati endiaferoysa h sxetikh thleoptikh ekpomph, giati perielambane kai dieqneis empeiries kai eidame, gia paradeigma -kai ayta prepei me kalh diaqesh na anaferontai kai nomizw oti timoyn thn thleorash- oti sth Gallia katagrafontai oles oi ekpompes anejairetws se 24wrh bash kai elegxontai stis leptomereies toys apo eidikeymenoys episthmones sta zhthmata deontologias kai toy Typoy genikotera. Einai stelexh toy radiothleoptikoy symboylioy, to opoio bebaiws einai anejarthth arxh. Stis periptwseis poy parabiazetai o kwdikas deontologias kai apaiteitai na epiblhqei prostimo, epiballetai amesws. Ayto to kaqestws efarmozetai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres. Dhladh, yparxei o kwdikas deontologias kai armodio gia thn efarmogh toy einai to radiothleoptiko symboylio kaqe xwras. Ayto apotelei mia arxh apo thn opoia den mporei na jefygoyme ki emeis. To systhma ayto efarmozetai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres.

Qelw na tonisw oti einai laqos h apoch oti to ESR den exei stelexwqei eparkws. Einai, hdh, stelexwmeno apo episthmoniko proswpiko. Panta yparxei to kalytero, den antilegw, alla exoyn allajei ta dedomena kai exoyn proslhfqei eidikoi episthmones gia th stelexwsh toy. As mhn apajiwnoyme thn prosfora kai thn ploysia drasthriothta poy exei epideijei mexri twra toy ESR.

Epishmainw oti o kwdikas poy isxyei ayth th stigmh apotelei ena meigma toy kwdika Dagtogloy toy 1988. Dhladh, ths epoxhs poy epikratoyse to kaqestws toy kratikoy monopwlioy sto thleoptiko topio. Katalabainete, loipon, oti htan diaforetika ta dedomena. Yparxei mia polyspermia diatajewn, h opoia yparxei sto nomo 2328, se alloys nomoys, oi opoio chfisthkan sto metajy diasthma, sto Proedriko Diatagma 100, ston Poiniko Kwdika k.o.k. Den pisteyw oti o mesos poliths den katanoei thn anagkh mias systhmatikhs katagrafhs, symplhrwshs kai eksygxronismoy olhs ayths ths nomoqesias kai thn antikatastash toy palaioy apo enan sygxrono kwdika, o opoios qa antimetwpizei ola ta zhthmata. Yparxei mia protash toy ESR, den qa klhqei kaneis na koybentiasei se kybernhtikh protash. Emeis den exoyme kamia antirrhsh gi ayth thn protash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Toy shmerinoy ESR.

PRWTOPAPAS: Toy shmerinoy. Thn ypografei o k. Lampridhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O opoios den einai anejarthtos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete h paroysa Dioikhsh mporei na mhn einai toso anejarthth, oso qa einai h epomenh Dioikhsh toy ESR, alla exei prokycei, opws einai gnwsto, meta apo synainesh. Epishs, gnwrizete oti yparxoyn atoma poy exoyn ypodeixqei -den xrhsimopoiw th lejh ``anhkoyn''- apo ola ta politika kommata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anhkoyn sta kommata, na to pw egw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na parakoloyqw poios anhkei se kapoio komma h oxi. Dikaiwma toy. Pantws exoyn ypodeixqei atoma apo olo to politiko fasma. Ara, kata tekmhrio exoyn thn ejwqen kalh martyria. Oydeis amfisbhtei thn kalh proqesh toy ESR. Yparxei dynatothta, se eylogo xroniko diasthma -kai as analhfqoyn kai prosqetes prwtoboylies apo oles tis enwseis, oloy toy xwroy, den exw kamia antirrhsh- na ginei aytos o dialogos. An qelei kapoios na kritikarei thn kybernhsh, exei olh th dynatothta na to kanei. Oyte ayto mas enoxlei. Mporei na gnwstopoihsei tis apoceis toy pros to ESR kai na symperilhfqoyn pros syzhthsh kai oi nees apoceis. Prepei na shmeiwsete oti epeidh aytos o kwdikas yphrxe kai eixan prohghqei pros dietias oi sxetikes syzhthseis, qa mporoysa na prowqhsw Proedriko Diatagma, xwris na rwthsw kanenan, giati eixe thrhqei o nomos. Apo eyaisqhsia kai mono, epeidh exoyn allajei oi Dioikhseis se dhmosiografikes enwseis kyriws, sebomenos oti yparxoyn nees Dioikhseis me diaqesh gia prosfora kai gia prwtoboylies, epeleja to na yparjei enas neos kyklos dialogoy se eylogo xroniko diasthma. Opoios den qelei na synergastei me thn kybernhsh, den ton piezoyme. Oyte epidiwkoyme na ypokatasthsoyme tis anejarthtes arxes. Mporei na to kanei mesw toy ESR h kai monos toy o kaqenas na parei prwtoboylia sto na prowqhqoyn tetoies diadikasies. Ena mono den mporei na symbei. Na mhn exoyme kwdika deontologias. To ti problepei to Syntagma einai safes. Einai qema Syntagmatos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh skeftetai na epanaferei to palaio kaqestws oson afora to qema twn agwgwn -giati parathreitai ena ``mparaz'' agwgwn ta teleytaia xronia- kai na yparjei prwta h poinikh katadikh kai na akoloyqhsei meta h agwgh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa pragmatopoihqei kamia allagh se sxesh me ta isxyonta gia tis efhmerides, genikotera gia ton Typo, sthn paroysa fash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai mono gia thn entyph dhmosiografia. Kai gia ta radiothleoptika Mesa to idio isxyei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se o,ti afora ryqmiseis peri Typoy -giati akoysa kapoy oti qa feroyme neo nomo peri Typoy- den yparxei tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi peri Typoy. Sas rwtw, ean epanaferete to palaio kaqestws, symfwna me to opoio eprepe na katadikastei o dhmosiografos kai meta akoloyqoyse h agwgh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa htan protimotero ayth h syzhthsh na ginei afoy epelqoyn oi oristikes ryqmiseis sta qemata ayta. Eimaste proqymoi na ejetasoyme kai ayth thn parametro. Pros to paron den einai skopimh mia tetoia syzhthsh.

BATIKIWTHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia tis dhlwseis Miler, poy zhta perissoteres diwjeis kai syllhceis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat epanalhch exoyme anaferqei se ayto to qema. Den qa epanelqw.

KAPPOS: Giati oxi twra h ryqmish ths arxikhs diadikasias se o,ti afora tis agwges; Afoy twra akribws antimetwpizoyme to fainomeno ths ``biomhxanias twn agwgwn''; Kai, ean parallhla se olh thn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia th ryqmish toy radiothleoptikoy topioy, exei th diaqesh na symbalei sthn anaryqmish kai toy ergasiakoy topioy sta MME, symperilambanomenwn kai twn hlektronikwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, kai exw thn epiqymia na symbalw kai exw desmeyqei stoys kyrioys Manwlako kai Gklaba oti eimai sth diaqesh toys, oson afora ton tomea poy exei logo h Politeia, na symbaloyme sthn anabaqmish kai beltiwsh toy ergasiakoy kaqestwtos twn ergazomenwn ston Typo, kaqe morfhs.

GARGALAKOS: H epilogh toy k. Papoytsh, enos koryfaioy, alla kommatikoy stelexoys, shmatodotei oti sthn Aqhna h kybernhsh epidiwkei na ginei mia kaqara politikh maxh me th N.D;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den epidiwkei na asxolhqei me tis dhmotikes ekloges, pera apo to na qesei to plaisio twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, mesa sta orizomena kai problepomena apo to nomo. Ean h erwthsh sas apeyqynetai sto genikotero xwro toy PASOK, qa mporoysa na sas apanthsw, epanalambanontas ta osa dhlwse xqes o Kwstas Laliwths, oti h ypochfiothta toy k. Papoytsh einai mia ypochfiothta gia to Dhmo ths Aqhnas kai me ayta ta krithria to PASOK sthrizei thn ypochfiothta toy. Bebaiws, h maxh gia to Dhmo ths Aqhnas einai mia eyrytera politikh maxh. Kai anaferomai se politikh maxh kai oxi kommatikh. Ennow me ta politika xarakthristika poy exei h poreia ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Qelw na tonisw oti h ypochfiothta toy Xr. Papoytsh mporei na syspeirwsei eyryteres dynameis. O Xr. Papoytshs einai enas politikos me gnwseis kai empeiries kai apo th qesh toy ws Epitropoy sthn E.E., alla kai apo thn politikh stadiodromia toy. Einai enas idiaitera empeiros anqrwpos, o opoios mporei na symbalei kaqoristika sth dhmioyrgia enos kinhmatos poy exei anagkh h Aqhna, idiaitera enocei ths diorganwshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Oloi mas sthrizoyme me oles mas tis dynameis thn ypochfiothta toy Xrhstoy Papoytsh.

KOYNZ: Oi ellhnikes diwktikes arxes exoyn plhrofories apo to FBI, gia epikeimena tromokratika xtyphmata se amerikanikoys stoxoys sthn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

ZHGOY: Symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata epixeireitai ojynsh apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias sto meionotiko zhthma ths Qrakhs. Antimetwpizei tetoio qema h Kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eida kapoies apoceis ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Aytes einai apoceis ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Oydemia tetoia syzhthsh exei ginei.

KOYNZ: Mporeite na mas peite ean o k. Papadhmos qa einai ypochfios gia mia qesh sthn ektelestikh epitroph ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas;

PRWTOPAPAS: As afhsoyme thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza na kanei tis epiloges ths. Problepetai ena neo sxhma. O k. Papadhmos einai idiaitera epityxhmenos sto ergo poy exei epitelesei sthn Trapeza ths Elladas. Na qymisw oti synebale idiaitera qetika sthn poreia entajhs ths Elladas sthn ONE kai sthn kykloforia toy EYRW sthn patrida mas. Einai xarakthristiko oti h Ellada eixe kales epidoseis sthn prosarmogh ths sto eniaio nomisma. Makari na epilegei telikws o k. Papadhmos kai na analabei mia akoma shmantikh qesh sto systhma twn Kentrikwn Trapezwn.

KOYIN: Qa ikanopoioyse thn kybernhsh mia protash na kanei ton k. Papadhmo antiproedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws jerete ayta den ejartwntai apo tis kybernhseis. Ejefrasa thn apoch gia th mexri twra poreia toy k. Papadhmoy sto xwro twn ellhnikwn Trapezwn, poy einai ajiologh kai poly shmantikh. Gia ta ypoloipa, as anamenoyme thn poreia twn pragmatwn.

Sas eyxaristw.


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