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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Febroyarioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw sxetika me to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn. Yparxei mia seira energeiwn poy exoyn ginei mexri twra apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giannh Magkriwth, oson afora thn anagnwrish toy Patriarxh apo thn kybernhsh toy Israhl. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn qa episkefqei syntoma, stis arxes toy epomenoy mhna, to Israhl, opoy qa exei epafes me paragontes ths kybernhsh gia th epilysh ths ekkremothtas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MOYRTZHS: O Prwqypoyrgos aifnidiasthke apo thn kataggelia twn barytatwn kathgoriwn kata toy k. Kokkalh h eixe apo prin enhmerwqei apo anwtato dikastiko leitoyrgo, dedomenoy oti o k. Kokkalhs diaxeirizetai eyaisqhtoys tomeis, opws einai ta systhmata plhroforikhs stis enoples dynameis kai genikotera sto Dhmosio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia ypoxrewsh ths Dikaiosynhs na enhmerwnei gia ayta ta qemata kai fysika den egine tetoia enhmerwsh. Opws oloi, enhmerwqhkame apo tis anafores poy yphrjan gia tis diwjeis aytes.

MOYRTZHS: Mexri thn ekdosh toy boyleymatos, apo to opoio qa kriqei h parapomph h oxi toy Swkrath Kokkalh se dikh, h kybernhsh pws qa antimetwpisei ton apokleistiko promhqeyth toy OTE, isws ton apokleistiko promhqeyth systhmatwn plhroforikhs sto dhmosio tomea kai enan apo toys shmantikoteroys promhqeytes twn enoplwn dynamewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan diejagetai enas diagwnismos, kapoios ton kerdizei. Ston tomea ths Plhroforikhs drasthriopoioyntai megales kai mikres etaireies. Exoyme ena plaisio sto opoio ginontai aytoi oi diagwnismoi, poy einai apolytws asfales. Ejalloy, exei perilhfqei kai diatajh me thn opoia elegxontai megales symbaseis -elegxontai epiprosqeta kai apo to Elegktiko Synedrio- ws mia prosqeth asfaleia gia to adiablhto kai ajiopisto twn diagwnismwn. Kata ton idio tropo qa synexisoyme merimnwntas gia to adiablhto kai ajiopisto twn diagwnismwn toy Dhmosioy. H Ellada einai kratos dikaioy, exoyme ena eynomoymeno kratos, yparxoyn nomoi kai, symfwna me aytoys, oydeis einai enoxos mexri apodeijews ths enoxhs toy.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Kokkalhs ejedwse anakoinwsh, me thn opoia kata thn apoch moy, epixeireitai safws kai h polikopoihsh kai o xrwmatismos ths krishs ths Dikaiosynhs. Eseis poia apoch exete; Diabasate thn anakoinwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta exoyme ypoch mas. Den einai, omws, ypoxrewsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na krinei anafores idiwtwn kai epixeirhmatiwn. Epanalambanw th xqesinh dhlwsh moy, oti h anejarthth Dikaiosynh qa kanei to kaqhkon ths kai se ayth thn ypoqesh. Na prosqesw, omws, me aformh tis xqesines dhlwseis stelexwn, alla kai toy ekproswpoy ths N.D., oti h Dikaiosynh den exei anagkh apo prostates kai poly perissotero apo ypoboleis.

SKOYRHS: H kybernhsh qa epiqymoyse na ekdikastei me grhgoroys ryqmoys ayth h ypoqesh, wste na mh syretai ews ton kyklo twn eklogikwn anametrhsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den mporei na kanei kamia parembash. Den qelei kai den prepei na kanei kamia parembash, den einai kati tetoio sto plaisio leitoyrgias toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn mas.

GARGALAKOS: Den exete ypoxrewsh na yperaspisteite toys metoxoys toy Xrhmatisthrioy; Qa afhsete olh ayth thn ypoqesh na sernetai gia polla xronia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme emeis thn ypoqesh sta xeria mas ws ektelestikh ejoysia. Ara, den allazei tipota sto plaisio poy exoyme, gia toys diagwnismoys kai gia tis promhqeies toy Dhmosioy. Exoyme ena diafanes kai safes plaisio gia tis megales symbaseis elegxomeno kai apo to Elegktiko Synedrio. Kaneis den einai eytyxismenos -pisteyw-, antiqeta malista, otan dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata stis ellhnikes epixeirhseis. Alla, den yparxei kamia periptwsh -ejalloy den einai sto plaisio poy mporei na askhqei kybernhtikh leitoyrgia- parembashs sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. H Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth kai kanei th doyleia ths opws ayth pisteyei kalytera. Mas endiaferei kai exoyme labei metra gia thn epitaxynsh shmantikwn dikwn poy exoyn na kanoyn me kentrika zhthmata, ta opoia apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh. Bebaiws, h Dikaiosynh exei tis dikes ths leitoyrgies kai qa kanei tis epiloges ths. Den mporoyme, oyte prepei, na syzhtoyme gia tetoioys eidoys parembaseis.

SKOYRHS: H reystothta, h skandalologia kai to klima twn ``froytakiwn'', poy kalliergeitai bohqa na proxwrhsete se mia seira kybernhtika metra poy, gia mia akoma fora, fainetai na kaqysteroyn, opws, gia paradeigma to asfalistiko kai alla metra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kaqysterei tipota. H xwra opws kat epanalhch exw tonisei kybernatai swsta. Yparxei synexhs parakoloyqhsh kai prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Eidika gia to asfalistiko exw dieykrinisei oti meta tis 20 Martioy -kai me thn oloklhrwsh ths poly sobarhs proetoimasias poy ginetai apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisews- qa jekinhsei o koinwnikos dialogos. Gnwrizete oti kata thn ayrianh synedriash ths h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa ejetasei to idiaitera sobaro qema ths O.A. kai qa xarajei tis kateyqynseis gia th lysh poy prepei na doqei. Epishs, qa ginei syzhthsh kai qa lhfqei apofash gia sygkekrimena metra kata twn paranomwn paigniwn.

SKOYRHS: Se ayto to shmerino klima reystothtas, polla shmerina dhmosieymata kanoyn logo gia prowres boyleytikes ekloges, meta tis dhmotikes ekloges.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw poioi einai aytoi poy kanoyn logo gia prowres ekloges. Akoysame xqes oti sta grafeia orismenwn politikwn kommatwn yphrjan sxetikes anafores. Opoios exei ayth thn epiqymia prepei na bgei na th diatypwsei, opote qa apanthsoyme analogws. Den yfistatai, loipon, tetoios logos. Den katalabainw giati qa prepei na ginontai tetoies anafores.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Metajy twn kathgoriwn toy k. Kokkalh einai kai h kataskopeia. Epeidh se kapoioys eyaisqhtoys tomeis, opws stis enoples dynameis eixe kapoies prosbaseis, twra qa synexisei na tis exei h qa stamathsoyn aytomata aytes oi prosbaseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Stis enoples dynameis oydeis exei tis prosbaseis, toylaxiston me thn ennoia poy eseis epixeireite na dwsete. Mia seira apo ellhnikes etaireies mporei na symmetexoyn stoys ekastote diagwnismoys twn enoplwn dynamewn. Yparxoyn krithria, apolytws diafanh, me apolytws elegxomenes kai nomimes diadikasies, poy qespise h dikh mas kybernhsh, mesa apo tis opoies ginontai oi diagwnismoi kai den amfisbhtoyntai, ws pros ta apotelesmata toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa stoys eyaisqhtoys tomeis einai kai o OTE. Kai as mh geliomaste twra, apo ton OTE ginontai polla pragmata...

PRWTOPAPAS: Na mas ta peite, na ta maqoyme kai emeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Parakoloyqhseis, ti ginetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den jerw ean yparxei kapoia empeiria apo alles kybernhseis. Oi dikes mas kybernhseis oydepote exoyn kanei parakoloyqhseis. Ean apo ekei kai pera, sthn epoxh toy k. Gryllakh, o opoios, ws gnwston, htan symboylos tote toy arxhgoy ths N.D., ginontan tetoia pragmata, ayth einai mia allh istoria, thn opoia bebaiws den nomizw oti einai o katallhlos topos gia na syzhthsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To prosfato porisma ths Boylhs poy mila gia parakoloyqhseis, to exete ypoch sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia parakoloyqhsh, toylaxiston me eyqynh toy kratoys h kratikoy organismoy, den yparxei. Kai to gnwrizete poly kala.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Epitroph ths Boylhs, dhladh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mila gia kratikoys foreis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioi kanoyn tis parakoloyqhseis twra, oi ntetektib; Qelw na moy peite kai kati akoma: O Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai thn anagkh na kanei kapoia dhlwsh, giati o k. Kokkalhs htan apo aytoys poy mpainobgainan stoy Majimoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, sas parakalw poly, tetoies anafores den timoyn th syzhthsh mas. Gnwrizete oti kai sto qema ths entimothtas idiaitera kai sto qema toy tropoy xeirismoy twn dhmosiwn pragmatwn, kaneis den mporei na kanei kamia anafora se baros toy Kwsta Shmith. Yparxoyn kai kapoia oria. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti eixa proanaggeilei apo ayto edw to bhma, oti qa yparjei megalos kyklos epafwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me epixeirhmaties kai ekdotes. O kyklos aytos, exei arxisei kai den exei oloklhrwqei, dioti den ginetai gia kapoio sygkekrimeno qema, alla gia tis genikoteres ejelijeis. To eixa proanaggeilei kai den to ekryca apo kanenan. To idio pragma isxyei gia polloys, oxi mono gia enan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den phge twra gia prwth fora. Eixe paei kai palaiotera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na qesw kapoia oria. Oxi oroys, giati ayto den einai pote stis proqeseis moy. Den mporei na ginontai proswpikes epiqeseis, idiaitera otan einai asthriktes. Qa hqela poly na prosexoyme, wste na krathsoyme to epipedo ths syzhthshs mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den kanw proswpikh epiqesh. Anaferomai se gegonota. Yparxoyn fwtografies, binteo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eixa anaggeilei, dhmosiws -kai oydemia mystikh epafh yphrje me kanenan- edw sto press-room, thn enarjh toy kykloy twn epafwn, h opoia bebaiws qa diarkesei akoma arketa. Loipon, poio einai to problhma;

KARGOYDH: Qa epanelqw se mia prohgoymenh erwthsh gia tis prowres ekloges. Eipate oti gia thn kybernhsh den yparxei kapoios logos, ayth th stigmh, poy na thn odhgei se apofash gia prowres ekloges. Poioi logoi qa mporoysan na odhghsoyn thn kybernhsh se prowres ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na apanthsw se ypoqetiko erwthma.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Mporeite, k. Ypoyrge.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ektimw oti yparxei logos prowrwn eklogwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O kindynos gia eqnika qemata...

PRWTOPAPAS: Etsi, qa anoijoyme mia syzhthsh peri prowrwn eklogwn, poy den antistoixei sthn pragmatikothta. Den yparxei kanenas logos tetoias syzhthshs kai gi` ayto parelkei opoiadhpote peraiterw anafora. Ean, apo ekei kai pera, h N.D. -giati peri ayths prokeitai- oneireyetai prowres ekloges, einai safes oti exei dikaiwma na to kanei, alla ayto den shmainei oti ta oneira ginontai pragmatikothta.

ELENOPOYLOS: Thn teleytaia periodo exoyme mia seira apo qemata poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Epeidh aptontai ths dhmosias zwhs genikotera, qelw na rwthsw, ean h ektimhsh ths kybernhshs einai oti yparxei genikotera mia prospaqeia, etsi wste to politiko klima na diamorfwqei me tetoio tropo poy na prokalesei politikes ejelijeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh kanei th doyleia ths kai prospaqei na thn kanei oso kalytera mporei. Apantoyme sta problhmata toy laoy, me tis lyseis poy dinoyme, me ta metra poy prowqoyme. Analambanoyme thn eyqynh na prowqhsoyme to programma mas. Proxwroyme stis allages poy exei anagkh h xwra. Proxwroyme sthn epilysh twn megalwn problhmatwn poy exoyn sxesh me ta eqnika h alla zhthmata. Proxwroyme sta qemata ths oikonomias h ta megala problhmata ths koinwnias kai exoyme shmantikes, qetikes ejelijeis se polla apo ayta. Alloy, xreiazontai peraiterw parembaseis kai metra. Kai ayto qa ginei. H kybernhsh prowqei to ergo ths, me bash ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy. Apo ekei kai pera, den ektimw oti yparxei ayth th stigmh allo problhma. An kapoioi, opws lete eseis, exoyn sto myalo toys alla pragmata, h kalyterh apanthsh einai h omalothta sthn politikh zwh ths xwras, h ejelijh toy ergoy mas, oi qetikes apanthseis poy dinoyme sta problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy.

GARGALAKOS: H kybernhsh pisteyei oti anameixqhke kapoio komma sthn ypoqesh ayth ths diwjhs kata toy epixeirhmatia, me dedomeno oti enas boyleyths ths N.D., o k. Kammenos sygkekrimena, yposthrije oti eixe thn oloqermh sthrijh toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs se ayth thn ypoqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto ti eipe xqes o k. Kammenos. Bebaiws, opws tonisa, me aformh aytes tis dhlwseis, alla kai tis dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy ths N.D., h Dikaiosynh jerei na kanei th doyleia ths kai den exei anagkh apo prostates kai poly perissotero apo ypoboleis. Apo ekei kai pera, sto prwto meros ths erwthshs sas, nomizw oti den mporw na apanthsw. Den yparxei kati poy na gnwrizw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Prin apo thn erwthsh moy, mia parathrhsh: Htan kai o Tompras stis ypoklopes, ektos apo ton Gryllakh, poy anaferate. Gia na eimaste istorikws akribeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn oi omologies kai yparxoyn kai oi ypoqeseis. Nomizw oti tis omologies tis exoyme. Tis exoyme akoysei kai sthn thleorash.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Prepei na exete isxyrh mnhmh, epomenws. H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Eipate prohgoymenws oti eiste ikanopoihmenos kai oti h xwra kybernatai swsta kai kala.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa, epishs, oti yparxoyn problhmata poy xrhzoyn peraiterw prospaqeias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To akoysame. Eseis eiste eyxaristhmenos, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs h genikotera h kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo th syzhthsh twn teleytaiwn hmerwn sto press-room poy exoyme metablhqei edw -kai eseis kai emeis- qeates kai syntelestes mias syzhthshs poy den exei kamia sxesh me to kybernhtiko ergo kai me tis prospaqeies poy kanei h kybernhsh kai me ola ayta poy epaggelleste eseis. Pws to krinete; Eiste ikanopoihmenos apo ayth thn katastash poy epikratei shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: To eklambanw ws aytokritiko stoixeio, oxi proswpika gia sas, alla gia ton klado sas. To shmeiwnw. Ti allo na pw; Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei h syzhthsh oysias kai h syzhthsh entypwsewn. Egw ofeilw na apantw stis erwthseis poy dexomai. Den ofeilw na askw kritikh, edw. Qeloyme na kanoyme syzhthsh oysias, qeloyme na syzhtoyme to kybernhtiko ergo, qeloyme na syzhtoyme ta yparkta problhmata toy laoy. Ean kati allo qelete na moy peite, eyxaristws na to akoysw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh ekfrazete ayth thn ikanopoihsh oti o topos kybernatai swsta, me ola ayta poy symbainoyn gyrw mas, eiste ikanopoihmenos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prospaqw na katasthsw apolytws safes oti ean orismenoi epixeiroyn na dhmioyrghsoyn mia tetoia eikona, ayto den shmainei oti o topos den kybernatai, den shmainei oti h kybernhsh den antapokrinetai, me ton tropo poy mporei kai me oles tis dynameis ths, sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Einai allo to ena kai allo to allo. Yparxei h eikona poy qeloyn orismenoi kai yparxei kai h pragmatikothta. Rixnoyme to baros sta pragmatika problhmata.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, akoma kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos sas zhthse na proballete to ergo sas, kati to opoio den kanete. Kai eixa ypobalei kai thn proswpikh moy enstash, prin apo meres, gi` ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kalws.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H erwthsh einai oti parathrhqhkan merika parapona, xqes kai proxqes, apo toys Olympionikes mas, oi opoioi eipan oti den exoyn oyte xwro na aqlhqoyn, oyte ta mesa kai malista, dyo xronia prin apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Ti leei h kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn, shmera, sxetikes anafores toy armodioy yfypoyrgoy Aqlhtismoy I. Koyrakh. Gia prwth fora fetos, exei programmatistei pote qa laboyn ta xrhmata oi Omospondies. Exei, hdh, katablhqei to 30% kai exoyn diplasiastei ta posa gia thn proetoimasia toys. Opws eipe shmera o k. Koyrakhs, qa yparjei mia dyskolh metabatikh periodos, giati gnwrizete oti polla stadia kleinoyn, dioti prokeitai na anabaqmistoyn, na eksygxronistoyn, na ginoyn episkeyes, wste na einai etoima gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Ayto prokalese kapoia problhmata se mia metabatikh periodo. Hdh, omws, h Politeia, opws akoysate, frontizei na dinei tis sxetikes pistwseis kai ejasfalizei oles tis anagkaies kai aparaithtes ypodomes, wste na jeperastoyn ta problhmata kai na mporoyn pragmati oi aqlhtes mas na exoyn thn proetoimasia poy prepei.

FILHS: H amerikanikh efhmerida "New York Times" grafei oti h amerikanikh kybernhsh exei systhsei grafeio ephreasmoy toy Typoy. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exete kapoio sxolio apo thn pleyra sas, ean exete diapistwsei prospaqeia ephreasmoy toy ellhnikoy Typoy apo ton amerikaniko paragonta sthn Ellada kai an exete diereynhsei kataggelies poy exoyn ginei kata ton prohgoymeno Septembrh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den exoyme kati poy na peiqei oti yparxei opoiadhpote parembash ston ellhniko Typo. Nomizw oti ayto einai to mono shmeio sto opoio mporw na apanthsw. Den exoyme kamia endeijh h stoixeio peri opoiasdhpote parembashs ston ellhniko Typo.

FILHS: Epi ths oysias toy dhmosieymatos, den qelete na apanthsete; Ypoyrgos Typoy eiste.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, na apanthsw ti ginetai se mia allh xwra...;

FILHS: Poy afora kai thn Ellada kai olo ton kosmo, symfwna me to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ayths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma. Armodia gia na apanthsei se ayto einai h kybernhsh mias allhs xwras. Den eimai egw.

SKOYRHS: Sth Synodo ths Proodeytikhs Diakybernhshs sth Stokxolmh, den qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos, poion qa steilei ws antiproswpo; Kai, en pash periptwsei, ayto den apotelei ypobaqmish mias prospaqeias poy jekinhse me polla oneira; Symbibazetai me mia htta ths kentroaristeras, dhladh, pagkosmiws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qesate ena poly megalo ideologiko kai politiko qema, to opoio mas apasxolei se megalo baqmo. Den mporoyme na to ejantlhsoyme sto plaisio mias politikhs enhmerwshs.

SKOYRHS: Poion qa steilei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. Omws, me aformh thn erwthsh sas qelw na tonisw oti h protash poy ekane thn Kyriakh o k. Laliwths, ws Grammateas ths K.E., thn opoia sthrija apolyta -opws qymaste kata th syzhthsh poy eixame edw th Deytera, alla aphxei eyrytera tis skeceis poy epitrepoyn sta organa kai ta stelexh toy PASOK- exei na kanei kai me tis apanthseis poy prepei na dwsoyme sta problhmata poy emfanizontai, stis anhsyxies kai tis agwnies twn lawn ths Eyrwphs. Exei na kanei me toys problhmatismoys poy yparxoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Sosialistiko Komma, kaqws kai me ta fainomena poy exoyn paroysiastei se mia seira apo xwres, opoy tis sosialistikes kybernhseis diadexqhkan synthrhtikes kybernhseis. Exei na kanei, omws, kai me idiaitera anhsyxhtikes pleyres, eite aytes aforoyn sta problhmata poy parathroyme sthn Italia, eite sta problhmata symmetoxhs meroys ths akrodejias sthn kybernhsh, opws sthn periptwsh ths Aystrias, eite se fainomena ratsismoy kai jenofobias poy exoyn zhsei oi kybernhseis allwn xwrwn. Ean me rwtate, proswpika alla kai ws ekproswpo ths kybernhshs poy parakoloyqw systhmatika tis ejelijeis, qa mporoysa na sas apanthsw oti bebaiws xreiazetai na proxwrhsei aytos o dialogos gia th sygkrothsh enos eyryteroy poloy sto xwro ths kentroaristeras kai ths aristeras. Aytos o dialogos qa prepei na afora stis ejelijeis sxetika me to mellon ths Eyrwphs kai thn Proodeytikh Diakybernhsh. Einai qema aixmhs, einai ena sobaro zhthma, einai apanthseis poy prepei na dwsoyme.

SKOYRHS: Pantws, gia to qema twn programmatikwn sygklisewn, ektos apo enan analogikotero eklogiko nomo poy fantazomai oti dexeste eseis ws syzhthsh, zhta kai allages sthn kybernhtikh politikh. Ep` aytoy syzhtate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan jekinas ena dialogo kai exeis apofasisei aytos o dialogos na mhn perioristei se orismenes xronikes anafores h sto plaisio twn eklogwn poy exoyme mprosta mas -dioti den aposkopoyme stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, alla exei enan eyrytero xarakthra h protash mas- einai logiko oti qa prepei na syzhthseis ta panta kai zhthmata poy aforoyn to programma soy h protaseis poy qa prokycoyn kai apo tis alles synistwses aytoy toy dialogoy. Bebaiws, sthn poreia -kai den nomizw oti ayto einai proapaitoymeno- gnwrizete oti stis proqeseis mas htan oytws h allws se eyqeto xrono kai sto plaisio genikoterwn syzhthsewn gia thn anabaqmish kai thn poiothta sto politiko mas systhma, na syzhthsoyme kai qemata poy aptontai toy eklogikoy nomoy. Otan anazhtas sygkliseis h programmatikes symfwnies kai dynatothta dhmioyrgias enos politikoy, alla kyriws koinwnikoy reymatos pleiochfias poy qa eggyhqei thn proodeytikh poreia ths Elladas, einai safes oti ayth h syzhthsh perilambanei ola ta qemata.

SKOYRHS: Mia syzhthsh poy exei na kanei kai me to Symboylio Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs. Synetajan ena manifesto oi kyrioi Mpler, Mperloyskoni kai Aqnar me anafores sthn eylygisia ths agoras ergasias, apeleyqerwsh apolysewn kai mia seira apo alla qemata. Pws topoqeteitai apenanti se ayto h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti den einai h prwth fora poy ginontai tetoies kinhseis. Exoyn perielqei sto fws ths dhmosiothtas kai kata to parelqon diafores protaseis apo dyo h treis xwres. Gnwrizete oti oles aytes oi prwtoboylies kai oi protaseis apoteloyn ena stoixeio problhmatismoy sth Synodo Koryfhs, poy bebaiws den einai kai den qa einai oi mones. Yparxoyn kai ellhnikes protaseis kai gnwrizete oti eixame prwtostathsei idiaitera se ayth th logikh ths eidikhs Synodoy, ths endiameshs Synodoy Koryfhs, thn opoia -opws jerete- qa apasxolhsoyn qemata poy syndeontai me thn prooptikh ths apasxolhshs, me to mellon kai thn prooptikh twn eyrwpaikwn koinwniwn. Sthn Portogalia, sth Synodo ths Lissabonas, eixan lhfqei idiaitera shmantikes apofaseis gia th dhmioyrgia toy neoy koinwnikoy kratoys, toy neoy protypoy ths eyrwpaikhs koinwnias, qemata poy aptontai kai ths apasxolhshs kai ths koinwnikhs prostasias, bebaiws, kai ths koinwnikhs asfalishs. Sto plaisio aytwn twn apofasewn kai kata thn ylopoihsh toys exoyn dhmioyrghqei eqnika sxedia drashs, oxi mono gia ton tomea ths apasxolhshs, alla kai gia ta zhthmata ths koinwnikhs prostasias kai ths katapolemhshs toy koinwnikoy apokleismoy. Exoyn lhfqei polles prwtoboylies sxetika me to mellon toy koinwnikoy kratoys sthn Eyrwph. Sto plaisio ayto qa ginei syzhthsh kai gia ta sxedia poy exei etoimasei h Epitroph kai gia tis genikes nees kateyqynseis sth Synodo ths Barkelwnhs. Oi genikes kateyqynseis poy exei h ellhnikh pleyra einai safeis. Yparxei o antagwnismos kai prepei na melethsoyme ton tropo me ton opoio qa antapokriqoyme sta zhthmata poy qetei, me sebasmo ston anqrwpo kai tis basikes ajies ths koinwnias mas.

FILHS: Ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, prin apo ena xrono o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synypogracei me ton k. Mpler ena manifesto, to opoio anaferotan se paremferh qemata sta opoia anaferontai prosfata oi treis Prwqypoyrgoi Mpler, Aqnar kai Mperloyskoni. Den qa hqela na kanw xrhsh ths meqodoy ths synepagwghs, alla qa hqela na sas rwthsw, symfwna me th dikh sas optikh, einai dynaton na synergazeste me politikes proswpikothtes poy oi apoceis toys taytizontai me tis apoceis synthrhtikwn eyrwpaiwn paragontwn; Poia einai h diaxwristikh grammh se eyrwpaiko epipedo, pia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn diaxwristikes grammes se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Omologw oti prepei na ginoyn pio safeis oi diaxwristikes grammes. Kai ayto einai ena politiko zhthma poy nomizw oti prepei na syzhthsei to eyrwpaiko sosialistiko komma. Anejarthta, omws, apo ayto, sto parelqon exoyme apofasisei apo koinoy panw se tetoia zhthmata. Exoyme symfwnhsei se prwtoboylies poy kriname oti htan qetikes, ektimwntas oti ylopoioyn, prowqoyn, toylaxiston, se prwth fash, to pisteyw mas gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs kai ths eyrwpaikhs koinwnias. Apo kei kai pera, ean prokycei ena keimeno me apocewn me tis opoies den symfwnoyme, na eiste bebaioi oti exoyme to qarros, gia mia akomh fora, na to tonisoyme.

FILHS: Den milw gia qarros, milw gia politiko sxediasmo kai realismo. H erwthsh einai: ta osa dialambanontai sto keimeno twn triwn Prwqypoyrgwn aphxoyn apoceis ths ellhnikhs pleyras h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei. H prwth moy apanthsh htan idiaitera ektenhs.

FILHS: Sthn prwth apanthsh sas apanthsate epi twn synthrhtikwn kybernhsewn. Se ayth thn periptwsh einai epikefalhs o k. Mpler; Einai synthrhtikh h kybernhsh Mpler kat esas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti to komma toy k. Mpler anhkei sto Eyrwpaiko Sosialistiko Komma.

FILHS: Ara, den isxyei h apanthsh sas gi ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa gia thn kateyqynsh poy emeis dwsame kai dinoyme. Exoyme palecei gia na lhfqoyn tetoies apofaseis sta eyrwpaika organa gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs. Kaqe protash, kaqe apoch poy brisketai se antiqeth kateyqynsh, apo opoy ki an proerxetai, einai safes oti den qa mas brei symfwnoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos episkefqhke kapoia erga kai eipe oti einai poly wraia. O k. Pagkalos, omws, sth Boylh dhlwne thn idia wra oti sthn perioxh toy den exei pesei oyte kasmas. Ginontai erga;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti den eidate thleorash xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas rwtw gia ton k. Pagkalo. O k. Pagkalos eide thleorash. Den blepei ton Prwqypoyrgo sth thleorash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai apolytws bebaios oti den exete dei thleorash.

Sas eyxaristw.


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