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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-03-13

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Martioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qelw kai apo ayto to bhma na ekfrasw ta syllyphthria mas sthn hgesia ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, oloys toys politikoys ths Kyproy, to komma toy DHKO kai toys oikeioys toy apoqanontos tews Proedroy Spyroy Kyprianoy.

O Spyros Kyprianoy htan mia poly megalh proswpikothta. Htan parwn se oloys toys agwnes toy kypriakoy laoy, gia thn anejarthsia, th dhmokratia, gia ta dikaiwmata toy kypriakoy laoy. Htan parwn se oloys toys megaloys eqnikoys agwnes poy eginan gia th dikaiwsh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai toy laoy ths Kyproy.

Thn kybernhsh qa ekproswphsei sthn khdeia toy tews Proedroy ths Kyproy o ypoyrgos Ygeias kai Pronoias Alekos Papadopoylos.

Qelw, epishs, na sas enhmerwsw sxetika me th Synodo Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs, oti h Synodos ayth perilambanei kata kyrio logo ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan sth Synodo ths Lissabonas kai syndeontai me thn antagwnistikothta, thn anaptyjh, thn apasxolhsh, thn koinwnikh prostasia, tis diarqrwtikes allages sthn Eyrwph, me idiaitero baros sthn texnologia, thn katallhlh ekpaideysh toy anqrwpinoy dynamikoy, wste na mporesei h Eyrwph na badisei dynamika mprosta pros to stoxo ths plhroys apasxolhshs, dhmioyrgwntas polles nees qeseis ergasias.

Peran aytoy, kata th diarkeia toy deipnoy twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn, thn Paraskeyh to brady, qa syzhthqoyn kai orismena qemata dieqnoys kai bebaiws eyrwpaikoy endiaferontos, opws ayto toy ESDP, dhladh toy legomenoy eyrwstratoy. O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths qa ekqesei tis ellhnikes apoceis gia to qema ayto. Bebaiws, sto deipno den qa lhfqoyn apofaseis. Qa ginei antallagh apocewn. Epishs qa syzhthqei to epikairo kai zwtiko qema ths krishs toy Mesanatolikoy kai piqano na syzhthqoyn kai alla dieqnh qemata.

Gia toys dhmosiografoys poy qa metasxoyn sthn apostolh, qelw na pw apo twra oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa dwsei mia seira synenteyjeis, h prwth apo tis opoies qa ginei ayrio stis 5.30 to apogeyma, topikh wra. Oi alles synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys dhmosiografoys qa anakoinwqoyn sth diarkeia ths prwths synenteyjhs.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa anaferqei sto synolo ths antilhchs ths ellhnikhs pleyras gia th Synodo Koryfhs. Sto ti pame na kanoyme, ti epidiwkoyme kai pws aytes oi epidiwjeis mas syndeontai me tis prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei kai qa analaboyme.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh poy afora thleoptiko qema eyryteroy endiaferontos. Xqes eixame parembash apo to ESR gia ta dyo thlepaixnidia, to Bar kai to big brother, mia parembash h opoia eixe sygkekrimenoys xarakthrismoys kai ektimhseis gia tis gynaikes twn dyo aytwn paixnidiwn, kaqws kai sygkekrimenes proeidopoihseis. Epeidh kai me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs exei anoijei mia syzhthsh gia thn katastash sto radiothleoptiko topio, qa hqela to sxolio sas, me aformh th xqesinh ayth parembash toy ESR;

PRWTOPAPAS: H parembash toy ESR einai safws mesa sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy. Ayto apo thn typikh apoch. Safws exei dikaiwma to ESR na kanei ayth thn proeidopoihtikoy xarakthra parembash. An qelete kai thn apoch moy, ws armodios ypoyrgos, kai epi ths oysias qewrw oti poly kala epraje kai h parembash toy einai pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Prepei na prosexoyme. To arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos epiballei to sebasmo ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias kai se tetoia zhthmata qa prepei na eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi. Qelw na elpizw oti oloi oi endiaferomenoi pros toys opoioys apeyqynqhke h epistolh qa laboyn ola ta anagkaia metra, wste na mhn yparxoyn arnhtika fainomena.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti synebh etsi jafnika kai h kybernhsh apesyre thn empistosynh ths apo to proswpo toy k. Manash ston OTE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, h kybernhsh den apesyre kamia empistosynh apo kanena dioikhth. Opws gnwrizete, h qhteia toy dioikhth toy OTE elhje. Yparxei qhteia, h opoia prosdiorizetai apo to katastatiko toy Organismoy. Elhje kanonika. H Genikh Syneleysh twn metoxwn sygkaleitai, prokeimenoy me to neo katastatiko poy isxyei gia ton Organismo na eklejei to neo Proedro kai dieyqynonta symboylo. Mporei h Genikh Syneleysh na epilejei ayton poy ekeinh krinei ws ton katallhlotero, prokeimenoy na hghqei ths megalhs pragmati prospaqeias poy kanei o OTE. Den diorizetai pleon, me ta nea dedomena toy Organismoy, politiko proswpo me eyqynh ths kybernhshs sthn hgesia toy Organismoy. Ekeinos poy qa analabei ta hnia toy Organismoy qa einai epilegmenos mesa apo th Genikh Syneleysh twn metoxwn me krithria kaqara epixeirhmatikhs eparkeias kai tipota perissotero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den proteinei h kybernhsh kapoion; H Syneleysh monh ths "arpazei" kapoion kai ton kanei proedro;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Genikh Syneleysh exei dikaiwma kai ayto poy eipate qewrhtikws na to kanei. H Syneleysh einai to kyriarxo organo kai einai ekeinh poy apofasizei. Den diorizetai pleon politiko proswpo, ws proedros h dieyqynwn symboylos. Yparxei pleon mia nea domh, mia nea leitoyrgia. O OTE leitoyrgei kaqara ws epixeirhsh, ws polymetoxikh epixeirhsh sthn opoia, opws gnwrizete, to Dhmosio den exei thn pleiochfia, mesa se ena kaqara antagwnistiko periballon kai me plhrh apodoxh twn orwn toy antagwnismoy. H Genikh Syneleysh twn metoxwn qa kanei thn epilogh. Bebaiws kai o metoxos poy qa ekfrasei to Dhmosio qa exei kai aytos th dikh toy apoch.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo gia allo qema. O k. Aqnar exei steilei epistolh ston k. Shmith gia ton eyrwstrato kai gia tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Aqnar, sto plaisio ths ispanikhs Proedrias, exei steilei dyo diaforetikes epistoles:

H deyterh hrqe xqes. Estalh pros oloys toys arxhgoys kratwn kai kybernhsewn twn xwrwn - melwn ths E.E. kai afora, oysiastika, thn ejeidikeysh twn qematwn poy perilambanontai sthn hmerhsia diatajh ths Synodoy ths Barkelwnhs. Anaferetai analytika sto pws qa ginoyn kai ti qa periexei h kaqe synedriash, ws hmerhsia diatajh kai oxi epi ths oysias.

Prohgeitai, se xronikh seira, kai mia allh epistolh toy Ispanoy Prwqypoyrgoy, me hmeromhnia 21/2/2002, sthn opoia anaferetai se qemata koinhs ejwterikh politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias ths E.E., qigontas genika kai xwris ejeidikeymenes anafores to qema toy legomenoy eyrwstratoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn antirrhsewn ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai h epistolh ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epistolh ayth anaferetai sthn anagkh na proxwrhsei h ejwterikh politikh kai h politikh asfaleias, poy opws gnwrizete ena apo ta stoixeia poy apoteloyn shmeio pros syzhthsh gia thn prowqhsh ths ejwterikhs politikhs kai ths politikhs asfaleias ths E.E. einai kai to qema toy ESDP. O k. Aqnar anaferetai poly genika kai xwris ejeidikeymenes anafores sto qema ayto. Emeis symfwnoyme apolyta oti yparxei anagkh na ejeyreqei lysh. Gi` ayto to logo anelabe hdh thn prwtoboylia o Prwqypoyrgos na enhmerwsei kai pali gia tis ellhnikes apoceis toys arxhgoys twn kybernhsewn, kata th diarkeia toy deipnoy, to opoio qa ginei thn Paraskeyh to brady. Qa enhmerwqeite, bebaiws, kai eseis gia ta symperasmata aytoy toy dialogoy, poy bebaiws den prokeitai na katalhjei se apofaseis.

Parallhla, qa analhfqoyn mia seira prwtoboylies apo thn ellhnikh pleyra gia synennohsh me thn ispanikh Proedria, prokeimenoy na breqei h lysh ekeinh poy kai to qema toy ESDP qa prowqhsei, xwris se kamia periptwsh -kai to tonizw ayto- na qigoyn ta eqnika symferonta mas. Prepei na epanalabw oti to "xarti" ths legomenhs agglikhs prwtoboylias den mas kalyptei. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na allajei se kapoia shmeia sthn kateyqynsh poy kat` epanalhch kai edw se ayth thn aiqoysa exoyme tonisei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Aqnar anaferetai kai se ayto to "xarti", opws eipate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Kanei mia poly genikh anafora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte gia tis ellhno-toyrkikes qeseis anaferetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferetai apokleistika se qemata koinhs ejwterikhs politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias.

KWSTANTINIDHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den qa qesei qema kypriakoy kai entajiakhs poreias ths Kyproy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy ejelissetai qetika kai to qema tiqetai opoy prepei kai otan prepei. Den prokaloyme monoi mas problhmata. Einai zhthma taktikhs kai to katalabainete ayto. Otan erqei qema dieyrynshs, sth syzhthsh qa teqoyn ta zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me thn poreia ths. Ejalloy, h Kypros einai prwth apo tis pros entajh xwres. Opotedhpote prokyptei sxetikh syzhthsh, aytomatws tiqetai kai to qema apo thn ellhnikh pleyra.

GARGALAKOS: Prokeitai osonoypw na doqoyn oi adeies gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Akoygontai, wstoso, epikriseis oti yparxoyn orismenoi poy phran dyo kai treis adeies kai malista me adiafanh, kata kapoio tropo, krithria. Mporeite na kanete ena sxolio ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizw oti yparxoyn kapoia tetoia dhmosieymata kai gnwrizw oti kapoioi apo ekeinoys poy den moriodothqhkan -oi dikhgoroi toys toylaxiston- kinoyn kapoia sxetika entypa h xartia. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai to ejhs: Opws gnwrizete, to Ypoyrgeio Typoy gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys, alla kai genikotera gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys, den kanei moriodothsh. Den dinei to ypoyrgeio tis adeies. Ayth einai mia lanqasmenh antilhch. Bebaiws, typika ypografw mexri twra. Ypegraca, opws gnwrizete, gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Qessalonikhs. Kai xqes to brady ypegraca kai gia toys ypoloipoys 15 radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas. Prepei, omws, na ypenqymisw oti, h diadikasia einai h ejhs: To ESR dienergei ton elegxo poy problepei o nomos kai kanei th moriodothsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn. Me bash thn apofash toy ESR, o Ypoyrgos Typoy kai MME exei dikaiwma -kai to askhsame ayto to dikaiwma- kai thn ypoxrewsh na dienergei elegxo nomimothtas kai tipota allo. Elegxo nomimothtas, oxi elegxo oysias. Askhqhke o elegxos nomimothtas kai askhqhke endelexws. Eginan seira nomikwn parathrhsewn pros to ESR, to opoio tis ejetase, epishs endelexws, kai mas apanthse, meta apo eidikh synedriash toy kai malista omofwna stis perissoteres apo aytes. Katopin toytoy, o Ypoyrgos den mporei na kanei otidhpote allo, para na ypogracei thn apofash toy ESR. Kai ayto kaname. Den parembainoyme. Askoyme elegxo nomimothtas, wste na thrhqoyn oi kanones, oi nomoi, to nomiko plaisio sto opoio kinoyntai oi sxetikes diadikasies. Apo kei kai pera, o oiosdhpote qigomenos, anti na gyrizei dejia kai aristera kai na dinei xartia me ayqairetoys isxyrismoys kai malista xwris ypografh, mporei na prosfygei sta armodia Dikasthria. Einai mia poly pio timia prajh.

Qelw na tonisw oti -opws gnwrizete- se kaqe periptwsh eidika gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys, to ycos ths ependyshs poy yparxei piqanon na epitrepei se kapoioys na emfanizontai kai na legoyn oti einai idiokthtes kapoiwn radiofwnikwn staqmwn. To mono poy mporoyme na kanoyme se mia tetoia periptwsh einai na koitajoyme ton elegxo toy ``poqen esxes''. O elegxos toy ``poqen esxes'' exei ginei apo to ESR. O idios elegxos toy ``poqen esxes'', opws gnwrizete, ginetai edw kai treis mhnes, kai gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys kai malista gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys eqnikhs embeleias. Gnwrizete oti ekei to ycos twn ependysewn einai poly megalytero. Ws gnwston h kaqysterhsh poy yparxei me toys thleoptikoys staqmoys eqnikhs embeleias, ofeiletai akribws se ayto ton elegxo toy ``poqen esxes''. Kai poly kala kanei to ESR kai ejetazei me tetoio leptomereiako -kata to dynaton, bebaiws- tropo kai mesa sto plaisio mias anoikths oikonomias, to ``poqen esxes''. Apo tis plhrofories poy mas exei dwsei epishmws o Proedros toy ESR, aytos o elegxos qa einai pragmati, kata to dynaton kai me tis yparxoyses dynatothtes, idiaitera leptomerhs kai akribhs. Qa synistoysa, loipon, se orismenoys biastikoys na prosexoyn tis ekfraseis toys, dioti ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme mesa sto plaisio poy leitoyrgoyme, na einai bebaioi oti to kanoyme kai den exoyme tipota na krycoyme apo kanenan.

GKROMAN: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema toy OTE. To kratos, ws o megalyteros metoxos toy Organismoy, poio proswpo qa sthrijei h poio proswpo yposthrizei gia thn epikeimenh eklogh neoy Proedroy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean ekana to laqos na pw apo to bhma toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy poia qa einai h apoch toy metoxoy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, qa katastrathgoysa th basikh arxh ths neas leitoyrgias toy Organismoy. Qa eixame sthn oysia epanalhch dioikhshs, poy qa eixe kaqara politiko xarakthra. Den qeloyme politiko xarakthra me th stenh ennoia toy oroy sth dioikhsh toy Organismoy. Den diorizei h kybernhsh ekproswpo ths. O anqrwpos poy qa eklegei -kai qa eklegei apo th genikh syneleysh twn metoxwn- qa exei na kanei me ta epixeirhmatika krithria poy qa epikrathsoyn sth genikh syneleysh. Ekeinos poy qa ekproswphsei ta symferonta toy kratoys, ws metoxoy, qa exei thn apoch toy kai qa diatypwsei thn protash toy, opws qa kanoyn oloi oi metoxoi. Gnwrizete oti ston OTE den exoyme pleiochfia.

POYLIDOY: Me ayta ta krithria sas rwtaei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me kaqara epixeirhmatika krithria qa akoystei mesa sth genikh syneleysh. Den yparxoyn politikes ejaggelies.

KOYIN: Sigoyra, omws, to melos poy ekproswpei to kratos, den qa sthrijei ton k. Manash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati epixeireite pali na gyrisete thn erwthsh se kati poy einai laqos; Yparxei mia diadikasia poy ofeiloyme na sebomaste. Qa leitoyrghsoyn sthn Ellada oi genikes syneleyseis twn etaireiwn, nai h oxi; Ean qeloyme na leitoyrghsoyn -ki egw pisteyw oti qeloyme na leitoyrghsoyn oloi edw mesa- qa prepei na tis afhsoyme na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Ki ekei o kaqenas diatypwnei thn protash toy, me kaqara epixeirhmatika kai oxi politika krithria kai analambanei thn eyqynh ths protashs toy. Ekei ginontai oi protaseis kai ekei ginontai oi ekloges. Den ginontai oyte sthn aiqoysa ayth, oyte se kapoioys alloys xwroys.

IWANNOY: Qelw na rwthsw gia to qema toy eyrwstratoy, enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Barkelwnh. Exei katalhjei h kybernhsh telika gi ayto to qema to keimeno poy phgainoyme na syzhthsoyme; Ti qa ginei; Giati se liges hmeres qa to syzhthsete. Qa exoyme thn idia emplokh, opws eixame....;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth Barkelwnh den yparxei sthn hmerhsia diatajh sto qema toy ``ESDP''. Den apotelei shmeio epishmhs syzhthshs kai apofashs metajy twn etairwn. To qema toy @ESDP'' me prwtoboylia poy anelabe o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos qa syzhthqei kata thn atyph diadikasia -bebaiws poly shmantikh politika, alla atyph- toy deipnoy. Ayto shmainei oti den prokeitai na lhfqei apofash kai den mporei kai typika na lhfqei apofash. Shmainei, omws, oti qa antallagoyn apoceis, oti qa yparjei katallhlh enhmerwsh twn etairwn mas gyrw apo tis proqeseis ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Epishs, qa epidiwxqei apo ta armodia organa toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn na yparjoyn oi anagkaies epafes me ta antistoixa organa ths Ispanikhs Proedrias, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei h lysh poy qa ikanopoiei th xwra mas kai poy bebaiws den mporei na einai ayto to keimeno. Prepei na ginoyn allages. O armodios, o entetalmenos apo pleyras toy YPEJ, qa kaqoristei tis amesws epomenes hmeres na exei mia seira synanthsewn me ton antistoixo toy ths ispanikhs Proedrias kai ekei qa breqei lysh. Den qa ginei se ypoyrgiko epipedo, h prwth proergasia, alla se anwtato yphresiako epipedo.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai ean exete kinhqei, ean exei kanei kati h kybernhsh gia kapoio kroysma sto AXEPA Qessalonikhs me th gata poy mphke se mia mhxanh cwmioy kai egine ``kimas''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se aytes tis periptwseis gnwrizete oti oi Dioikhseis twn Organismwn lambanoyn ola ta anagkaia metra kai dienergoyn oles tis anagkaies ereynes. Logika qa exei ginei hdh apo th Dioikhsh toy Nosokomeioy, h sxetikh kinhsh. H kybernhsh qa enhmerwqei gia to qema kai ta apotelesmata ths ereynas.

IWANNOY: Eseis giati den exete kanei kapoia kinhsh mexri twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo th stigmh poy yphrje ena qema to opoio eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas, ofeilei kai h Dioikhsh toy Nosokomeioy na dienerghsei sxetikh ereyna. H kybernhsh zhta pantote apo tis Dioikhseis na ginoyn oi sxetikes kinhseis kai bebaiws to armodio Ypoyrgeio qa parakoloyqhsei apo konta oles aytes tis diadikasies.

KARGOYDH: Prin apo elaxistes hmeres, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe dhlwsei oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2004 kai o idios qa hghqei toy PASOK se aytes tis ekloges. Tote mas eixate pei oti htan mia dhlwsh poy apeyqynotan pros ta mesa, pros th bash toy PASOK kai pros thn koinwnia. Qa hqela na rwthsw, oi xqesines analoges dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta th lhjh enos maraqwnioy E.G., poion exoyn apodekth.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos me tis xqesines dhlwseis toy pros ta radiothleoptika MME ejefrase ton problhmatismo poy yphrje sto E.G. kai enhmerwse to ellhniko lao gia tis apofaseis toy E.G. To E.G. ejetase thn politikh epikairothta, jekaqarise mia seira zhthmata, opws gia paradeigma h fhmologia gia prowres ekloges, to qema twn synergasiwn, to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy, to qema twn proteraiothtwn toy kybernhtikoy ergoy kai ths syspeirwshs toy kommatos mas enocei twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn. Ayta ta qemata, poy jekaqaristhkan omofwna apo to E.G., paroysiase o Prwqypoyrgos me thn idiothta toy Proedroy toy PASOK.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh anaferqhkate se ayth th fhmologia peri dejias parenqeshs, entopisthke xqes sto E.G. to kentro apo to opoio bghke ayth h fhmologia;

PRWTOPAPAS: To kentro ayto den anhkei sto PASOK. Den einai nohto na syzhtate peri dejiwn parenqesewn kai malista katastrofikwn, opws exei apodeixqei kai me th legomenh parenqesh ths periodoy `90-`93 gia ton topo kai thn koinwnia. To PASOK qelei th nikh stis ekloges. To PASOK panta epizhta thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy me bash to ergo toy, thn poreia toy, tis prooptikes poy xarassei gia to mellon toy topoy kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayth th stigmh badizoyme gia thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy mas. Aytos einai o kyrios stoxos mas. Dhmioyrgoyme mia nea sxesh me ton polith. Qa kriqoyme me bash ayto to kybernhtiko ergo kai tis prooptikes poy xarassoyme gia thn eyhmeria toy ellhnikoy laoy ta epomena xronia. Den yparxei kamia periptwsh logikwn mesa sto PASOK, oyte gia mikrh, oyte gia megalh htta, oyte gia parenqesh ths Dejias. Dioti, ayta den mas tairiazoyn. Qa einai katastrofika gia ton topo kai den exoyn na kanoyn me thn ejyphrethsh twn symferontwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kanenas apo to PASOK pote den eipe kati tetoio.

SOYRMELIDHS: Xqes, sto E.G. kybernhtika stelexh anaferqhkan se ayto to senario ths dejias parenqeshs. Basizontai se fhmologies ta kybernhtika stelexh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta kybernhtika stelexh anaferqhkan gia na to katadikasoyn, opws gnwrizete.

IWANNOY: Akoysame, omws, oti kai o k. Laliwths eipe "mhn ta rixnete se mena".

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw oti o Grammateas ths K.E. toy kommatos mas exei anaferqei kai exei katadikasei ta senaria ayta, opws epishs exei prodiagracei toys oroys ths nikhforas poreias toy PASOK, se prosfath synenteyjh toy se megalh efhmerida.

KAPPOS: Xqes, meta to peras ths prwths diereynhtikhs synanthshs sthn Agkyra, o enas apo toys dyo Toyrkoys diapragmateytes o k. Zigial dhlwse epi lejei oti oi syzhthseis, ektos apo to plaisio kai th meqodologia, aforoysan kai thn oysia toy problhmatos. Epeidh profanws yparxoyn diaforetikes antilhceis sthn Aqhna kai thn Agkyra se o,ti synista problhma kai sto ti synista thn oysia, qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete se poio baqos phgane oi xqesines syzhthseis kai en pash periptwsei, poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs pleyras epi ths oysias toy problhmatos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo tis dhlwseis, toso toy k. Skopelith, oso kai toy k. Zigial, poy htan oi epikefalhs twn antiproswpeiwn, yphrje h aisqhsh mias diereynhtikhs syzhthshs poy diejhxqh se qetiko kai epoikodomhtiko klima. Diereynhqhkan oi dynatothtes gia mia oysiastikh syzhthsh twn problhmatwn poy yparxoyn. Oi syzhthseis qa synexistoyn sth deyterh synanthsh poy qa pragmatopoihqei sthn Ellada.

KAPPOS: Den milame gia diadikastika qemata. O k. Zigial kanei mia eyqeia dhlwsh peri problhmatos kai oysias. Dioti, h xqesinh syzhthsh mphke kai sto problhma kai sthn oysia kai ep` aytoy tiqetai h erwthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje tetoia dhlwsh. Einai safes oti egine mia prwth diereynhtikh antallagh apocewn kai mia syzhthsh kyriws diadikastikoy xarakthra, gia na proseggistoyn oi titloi twn qematwn kai h dynatothta synainesewn poy qa apasxolhsoyn th syzhthsh sth synexeia. H syzhthsh eixe diereynhtiko kai diadikastiko xarakthra. Einai poly nwris gia na mporoyme na bgaloyme symperasmata kai qa synistoysa se oloys na mh biazontai. Exoyme poly dromo akomh, aytes oi diergasies mporei na krathsoyn arketo kairo. Katalabainete oti prepei na yparxei idiaiterh cyxraimia. Einai qetiko oti jekinhsame me ena genika qetiko kai epoikodomhtiko klima, alla -qa elega- einai poly nwris gia na ejagontai symperasmata.

SOYRMELIDHS: Sta qemata poy syzhthqhkan, teqhkan zhthmata gia "gkrizes" zwnes, apokleismo nhsiwn kai meionothta ths Qrakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den teqhke tetoio qema. Einai kapoia pragmata poy ta gnwrizoyme kai den wfelei na ta rwtame. Safws, den egine kati tetoio. Qa apodexotan pote h ellhnikh pleyra na syzhthsei gia "gkrizes" zwnes;

SOYRMELIDHS: Allo h syzhthsh, allo poios to eqese.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa dexotan pote h Ellada na syzhthsei qema "gkrizwn" zwnwn;

MOYRTZHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia th mhxanh poy exoyn sthsei, edw kai kairo, "ypochfioi aytoxeires" apergoi toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, oi opoioi ean den eixan thn thleoptikh kalych den qa ekanan to "qeatro toy salto mortale". Ti qa kanei to ESR h eseis gi` ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw dikaiwma na ypodeiknyw sto ESR ti prepei na kanei. Gnwrizete oti to ESR kanei th doyleia toy me ton tropo poy mporei kalytera kai pragmatika, polles fores, einai kairias shmasias oi parembaseis toy. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws mporw na krinw epimeroys symperifores opoioydhpote staqmoy, ean ektimhqei oti ayto prosballei to koino aisqhma h dhmioyrgei qema poy antikeitai sthn pragmatikothta. Pisteyw oti to qema den einai thleoptiko, alla exei na kanei me ena zhthma oysias. Yparxei mia diamartyria -poy den qelw na thn krinw ayth th stigmh, oyte na ths balw epiqeto- kapoiwn anqrwpwn poy prosdokoysan profanws na ginoyn monimoi sto Dhmosio kai logw ths neas diatajhs poy perilambanei to Syntagma, blepoyn oti ekeino poy prosdokoysan den epitygxanetai. Omws, epeidh akribws einai mia poly eyaisqhth periptwsh -giati oi anqrwpoi aytoi ontws eixan yphrethsei gia polla xronia to Dhmosio kai piqanon aisqanontai oti xreiazetai na yparxei mia merimna gi` aytoys- yparxei h apofash ths kybernhshs na perilabei stoys diagwnismoys poy qa ginoyn gia thn plhrwsh twn kenwn qesewn stoys xwroys aytoys kai ta legomena "moria proyphresias". Opote qa doqei mia peraiterw eykairia stoys anqrwpoys aytoys, poy exoyn polla xronia yphresias, na diekdikhsoyn apo kalyteres qeseis thn eisodo toys sthn yphresia poy qeloyn.

KAPPOS: Epeidh kai eseis paradexqhkate oti den einai thleoptiko to qema, alla qema yparxei, me to dedomeno oti kaqe toso, ontws kapoioi apelpismenoi anqrwpoi probainoyn se diafora diabhmata k.t.l., den tiqetai qema oysiastika kybernhtikhs politikhs, apenanti se aytoys toys anqrwpoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws eidate, apefyga na krinw energeies, dioti an to ekana qa elega oti pragmati aytes oi energeies qa mporoysan na xarakthristoyn me allo tropo. Alla, den einai ayto to zhtoymeno gia emas. Yparxoyn kapoioi anqrwpoi poy exoyn ena aithma kai ekrinan oti qa eprepe na to ekdhlwsoyn me ena sygkekrimeno tropo. Ean me rwthsate kata poso symfwnw, h apanthsh einai eilikrinws kai eyqews, oxi. Alla, epeidh mas aresei na asxoloymaste me thn oysia kai oxi mono me ton typo twn pragmatwn, gi` ayto kai edwsa apanthsh oysias, mh qelontas na sxoliasw ton typo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epilejate to neo Proedro ths ERT; Giati, eseis me ton k. Xristodoylakh qa ton epilejete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme systhsei mia mikth Epitroph Ajiologhshs twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn, h opoia qa oloklhrwsei to ergo ths, isws kai mexri to telos ths ebdomadas. H Epitroph ayth qa eishghqei pros toys ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi qa kanoyn thn telikh epilogh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote;

PRWTOPAPAS: Poly syntoma. Tis prwtes hmeres ths allhs ebdomadas.

Sas eyxaristw.


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