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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-05-29

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Maioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Eisagwgika qelw na sas pw oti thn erxomenh Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn Xrhsto Berelh kai stis 13 meta to meshmeri, me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy kai ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas Gianno Papantwnioy me qema ton eyrwstrato.

Qa hqela, epishs, na anaferqw se ena qema poy proekyce xqes sth Boylh, mesa apo mia syzhthsh poy egine gia toys ergazomenoys kai thn poreia toy radiofwnikoy staqmoy Planet. To prwi epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Basilh Lampridh -o opoios opws gnwrizete, meta apo paraklhsh moy dexqhke na parameinei, gia liges akomh meres, typika Proedros toy ESR kai ayth bebaiws einai mia stash eyqynhs poy ofeilw na thn epishmanw kai na ton eyxaristhsw- kai ton parakalesa na yparjoyn kinhseis, dioti einai ena idiaitera sobaro gegonos ayto poy syndeetai me thn katastash sto radiofwniko staqmo Planet. Toy zhthsa th bohqeia kai th symbolh toy mesw toy ESR, opws akribws problepei o nomos. Dexqhke -kai ayto, epishs, einai pros timhn toy- kai anateqhke, me shmerinh apofash, ereyna, h opoia qa ginei kai qa peratwqei se deka ergasimes hmeres apo eidikoys episthmones toy ESR, me to erwthma ean o r/s Planet 104,5, ston opoio exei xorhghqei adeia genikhs stoxeyshs exei allajei ayqaireta toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis leitoyrgias toy. Ean apo thn ereyna diapistwqei oti o r/s exei allajei ayqaireta toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis ths leitoyrgias toy, qa yparjoyn oi kyrwseis poy problepei o nomos, oi opoies -opws gnwrizete- mporei na ftasoyn mexri kai afairesh ths adeias.

Opws akribws eipa xqes sth Boylh, exw stoixeia apo tis epiqewrhseis Ergasias, oi opoies -meta apo synennohsh moy me ton k. Manwlako kai diko mas aithma pros thn Epiqewrhsh Ergasias- ypoblhqhkan sto r/s Planet, se sxesh me ta dedoyleymena kai toys misqoys twn dhmosiografwn, twn ekei ergazomenwn genikotera. Pragmati, exoyn ginei para polloi elegxoi. O teleytaios egine stis 22/5 apo thn k. Xrysoyla Kwstakh toy Swmatos Epiqewrhtwn Ergasias kai aforoyse th mh katabolh dedoyleymenwn apodoxwn kai toy dwroy Pasxa toy 2002. Shmeiwqhke oti den exei ginei kamia proodos, den yparxei kamia bebaiothta gia to ti qa ginei me to staqmo, kamia desmeysh gia thn katabolh twn dedoyleymenwn apodoxwn twn ergazomenwn. Katopin toytoy, prepei na shmeiwsw oti ypoblhqhke mhnysh gia ergatikh diafora apo thn Epiqewrhsh Ergasias, enw kinhqhke kai diadikasia epibolhs prostimoy gia mh katabolh dedoyleymenwn apodoxwn. Exoyn pragmatopoihqei, ton teleytaio kairo, elegxoi: stis 11/1, 11/4, 17/4, 1/5 kai 15/5. Exoyn hdh epiblhqei prostima stis 11 Martioy 4.400 eyrw kai stis 13 Maioy 12.000 eyrw. Epetai kai synexeia, giati opws sas eipa exoyn ypoblhqei kai sxetikes mhnyseis apo thn Epiqewrhsh Ergasias, h opoia qa epanelqei tis prwtes hmeres toy Ioynioy, ayjanontas kaqe fora tis kyrwseis poy problepontai apo thn Ergatikh Nomoqesia.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TAKHS: Poses politikes kai poses glwsses yparxoyn apo pleyras kybernhshs, oson afora ta eqnika qemata kai idiaitera ta ellhnotoyrkika; Rwtw, dioti akoysame xqes, sto MEGA, ton k. Papantwnioy, oysiastika na akyrwnei thn politikh toy k. Papandreoy, na leei oti qa ginei qermo epeisodio. Shmera akoysame ton Prwqypoyrgo na leei oti den fobatai oti qa ginei qermo epeisodio. Ton k. Pagkalo na kalei ton k. Papandreoy na diakocei amesws to dialogo me thn Toyrkia. Ton k. Papantwnioy na leei oti kai 100 symfwnies na ypografoyn tipota den qa kerdisoyme. H Ellada den phre tipota meta to Elsinki.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na apodwsoyme swsta to ti elexqh apo ta kybernhtika stelexh. Oson afora to qema toy legomenoy ``qermoy epeisodioy'': Yparxei h shmerinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy apanthse ``oxi den fobamai''. Ayto poy qelw na shmeiwsw, se synexeia ths apanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai to ejhs: Pragmati, to plaisio twn sxesewn, poy exei dhmioyrghqei metajy twn dyo xwrwn, ayth th stigmh, den prodikazei kati tetoio. Bebaiws, exoyn gnwsh oi fylakes! H strathgikh ths mh entashs me thn Toyrkia, einai yper twn symferontwn ths Elladas. Parallhla, bebaia, h Ellada einai etoimh, opoiadhpote stigmh xreiastei, na yperaspisei ta symferonta ths. Qelw na tonisw oti kaneis den eipe pote oti exei ejasfalistei esaei h eirhnh. Ayto poy eipame -kai prepei na to shmeiwsoyme idiaitera- einai oti oi diadikasies poy prowqoyme, oson afora tis sxeseis mas me th geitonikh xwra, einai idiaitera shmantikes, dhmioyrgoyn ena qetiko plaisio, proagoyn ta symferonta ths xwras mas kai dhmioyrgoyn me th bohqeia ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, th dynatothta lysewn sta eqnika mas qemata. Emeis qa synexisoyme thn idia strathgikh. Ayto einai safes. Qa synexisoyme na yperaspizoyme ta eqnika qemata me ton idio tropo: dhmioyrgwntas qetikoys sysxetismoys sth Dieqnh Koinothta gia thn epilysh toys kai akoloyqwntas strathgikh mh entashs. Kai bebaiws, eimaste etoimoi, se kaqe stigmh, ean xreiastei, na yperaspistoyme ta eqnika symferonta.

Oson afora ta qemata toy Elsinki: Exoyme jekaqarisei oti h apofash toy Elsinki htan idiaitera shmantikh. Kataferame -kai ayto to dexontai oloi, den yparxei kamia diafwnia- na metatrecoyme mia seira aitiasewn, tis opoies h Toyrkia emfanizei san ellhnotoyrkikes diafores, se diafores metajy E.E. kai Toyrkias, dhladh, se diafores oloklhrhs ths E.E. me thn Toyrkia. Ayto shmainei oti anabaqmisame th qesh ths Elladas sthn E. E. Bebaiws, gia na apodwsoyn oi apofaseis toy Elsinki xreiazetai xronos kai prospaqeies. Kai oi prospaqeies qa synexistoyn. Yparxei, omws, mia dynamikh poy dhmioyrgeitai me bash tis apofaseis toy Elsinki, stis sxeseis metajy E.E. kai Toyrkias, h opoia gi emas einai se qetikh kateyqynsh.

Ayto poy orqa epishmane o k. Papantwnioy einai oti yparxei toyrkikh adiallajia. H Toyrkia paroti exei analabei ypoxrewseis apenanti sth Dieqnh Koinothta, synexizei se orismena apo ta qemata -gia paradeigma, sto Kypriako- na taytizetai me akraies kai adiallaktes antilhceis kai na mh symbalei sthn epiteyjh lyshs. Ayto -opws epishmanqhke- thn ekqetei. Topoqetei se isxyroterh qesh thn Ellada sth Dieqnh Koinothta kai mas dhmioyrgei megalyteres dynatothtes prowqhshs twn qesewn mas. Ekeino poy prepei na epanalabw einai oti h Ellada exei symferon apo thn prowqhsh ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias. Se ayth thn grammh, poy kaqoristhke kai apo tis apofaseis toy Elsinki, emeis exoyme symferon na epimeinoyme. Kerdizoyme otan epimenoyme. Ayth einai h politikh mas. Opws eidate den yphrjan oysiastikes diafores metajy twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn.

TAKHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos leei oti ``den fobatai qermo epeisodio'' kai o ypoyrgos Amynas leei oti ``fobatai'', den einai diaforetikh topoqethsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas den eipe oti den htan shmantikh h epityxia sto Elsinki. Eipe oti h adiallakth stash ths Toyrkias mplokarei kapoia apo ta zhthmata poy eprepe na prowqhqoyn. Ayto einai gegonos. Emeis yperaspizontas thn poreia toy Elsinki eimaste, kaqe fora, se kalyterh qesh, se sxesh me ta zhthmata ayta. Den yparxei qema diafwnias.

SKOYRHS: Sas diabazw, tis dhlwseis toy k. Papantwnioy: ``H xwra mas den phre tipota meta to Elsinki''. Ayto einai entelws diaforetiko apo ayto poy lete eseis. Eipe akomh pws ``den prepei na ependyoyme politika sth beltiwsh toy klimatos, poy einai diaforetiko pragma apo th beltiwsh twn sxesewn''. Kai ayto einai, epishs, teleiws diaforetiko apo o,ti lete eseis. Etsi den einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Exete parei kapoia kommatia dhlwsewn kai exete apomonwsei kapoies fraseis. Ean prosejete stena, qa deite oti kapoia qemata poy eixan kaqoristei sta Symperasmata toy Elsinki, gia paradeigma, h epilysh toy Kypriakoy, proypoqesh gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, den exoyn ginei. Se ayto poy diapistwse o k. Papantwnioy, oti den exei ginei, den mporei kaneis na pei to antiqeto. Alla, apo thn allh pleyra, htan swstoi oi o xeirismoi kai me to Elsinki kai sthn poreia poy akoloyqoyme. Einai diaforetiko na kaneis mia synolikh anaskophsh ths politikhs soy kai na xarasseis th synexeia ths kai diaforetiko na diapistwneis, kapoia stigmh, oti, logw ths adiallajias ths allhs pleyras, kai katadikazontas ayth thn adiallajia, den yphrxe qetikh poreia. Exw pei kat epanalhch -ki edw stis synanthseis mas- oti h adiallajia ths Toyrkias empodizei thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths. Oti se telikh analysh strefetai kata twn idiwn twn makroproqesmwn symferontwn ths. Ayto h Ellada ofeilei na to epishmanei pros oles tis kateyqynseis.

SKOYRHS: Den einai ojymwro, den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti briskei perissoterh synainesh sthn ejwterikh politikh poy askei, apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai oxi apo ta stelexh ths; Dhladh, qelw na pw, mhpws anti gia Symboylio Ejwterikhs Politikhs, prepei na kanei kai ena symboylio eswterikhs politikhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean ennoeite thn entash toy dialogoy sto eswteriko toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs, h protash sas, den mporei para na ginei eymenws apodekth. Na qymisw, omws taytoxrona, oti aytos o dialogos exei ginei. Kaneis den arneitai synexh enhmerwsh kai synexh dialogo gia tis ejelijeis sta eqnika qemata. H genikh strathgikh mas, omws, exei syzhthqei kai sthn kybernhsh kai sto komma kai -opws gnwrizete- yphrje symfwnia kai omofwnia gia ayth th strathgikh mas kai sthn kybernhsh kai sto komma. Otan syzhtoyme kai symfwnoyme einai anagkaio na yperaspizoyme ayth thn politikh. Einai safes oti o kaqenas mporei na epilejei poioys tonoys qa xrhsimopoihsei. Omws, sto dieqnes periballon poy zoyme oloi oi tonoi exoyn th dikh toys shmasia kai prosfora, analoga me th qesh toy kaqenos kai to periballon poy ginontai. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, prepei ``na leme ta syka-syka kai th skafh-skafh'', me tonoys poy den dhmioyrgoyn shmantikes fortiseis. Oloi gnwrizoyme na leme ta pragmata me to onoma toys kai gia ta eqnika mas qemata, xwris na xrhsimopoioyme synaisqhmatikes fortiseis, oi opoies, merikes fores -kai idiaitera otan symmetexeis se dieqnh organa- den exoyn kamia shmasia. Ayto de shmainei oti den yparxoyn panta oi tropoi na yperaspizoyme oloi mas kai o kaqenas apo th qesh toy ta eqnika symferonta mas. Kai ayto kanoyme.

BITALHS: Epeidh eipate kai gia synaisqhmatikes fortiseis, akoygontas, xqes, tis dhlwseis toy k. Papantwnioy, blepw oti anaptyssei enan entono problhmatismo, akomh kai se basikes parametroys, oi opoies stoixeioqethsan ayth thn perifhmh "ellhnotoyrkikh proseggish". Leei loipon:"oxi 15, alla 100 symfwnies xamhlhs politikhs kai na kanoyme, den prokeitai na allajoyn oi sxeseis me thn Toyrkia". Ayto den einai enas safhs problhmatismos diaforopoihshs apo thn politikh poy akoloyqeitai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn politikes diaforopoihseis. H kaqe optikh gwnia, h kaqe syllogistikh exei th dikh ths ajia kai einai oles entagmenes sthn idia strathgikh. Diapistwqhke oti yparxoyn problhmata apo thn adiallajia ths geitonos kai ayth h adiallajia katagrafhke. Den shmainei ayto oti h strathgikh mas den einai swsth kai oti den synexizetai. Allo to ena kai allo to allo.

BITALHS: Sthn idia ekpomph paroysiasthke kai o k. Ntemirel, o opoios milhse gia 135 peripoy nhsides kai braxonhsides amfisbhtoymenhs kyriarxias. Telika, ti shmainei ayto to pragma; Mporoyme na synexizoyme ayth thn politikh proseggishs apo th stigmh poy bgainei jana mprosta h qewria twn "gkrizwn zwnwn" kai poy legontai pleon "135 nhsides";

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia mas den yparxoyn amfisbhtoymenes nhsides kai braxonhsides. Epeidh kapoios paragontas ths Toyrkias eipe mia diaforetikh apoch den shmainei oti emeis thn yioqetoyme. Alimono an ginotan kati tetoio! Exoyme topoqethqei safws sta eqnika qemata. Gia na to jekaqarisoyme: To oti exoyme mia strathgikh kai me ayth th strathgikh mporoyme kai yperaspizoyme th qesh mas kai dhmioyrgoyme qetikoys sysxetismoys, den shmainei oti den jeroyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas kai na yperaspizoyme ta eqnika qemata mas, opws prepei. Exoysi gnwsin oi fylakes. Ayto einai poly safes. H politikh mas apodidei gia thn Ellada. Kai ayth thn politikh qa th synexisoyme. Bebaiws, eimaste etoimoi na yperaspisoyme, opote xreiastei, ta eqnika symferonta mas, me opoiodhpote tropo. H politikh, omws, ayth poy askoyme, h politikh ths mh entashs, apo thn pleyra mas, ejyphretei ta ellhnika symferonta kai qa th synexisoyme.

BITALHS: Qa ypografei fetos to kalokairi to moratorioym stis stratiwtikes askhseis metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias poy ginetai ta teleytaia xronia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia kaqara texnikh erwthsh, sthn opoia qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

KARGOYDH: H shmerinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy den problepei qermo epeisodio@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den fobatai. To "fobamai" exei pollaplh shmasia.

KARGOYDH: Symfwnoi. Hqela, loipon, na rwthsw ean synartatai me th xqesinh, estw oligolepth, epafh poy eixe me ton Toyrko Proedro h me mia analogh epafh poy eixe o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me ton k. Tzem.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den synartatai me kati tetoio. Eixe mia oligolepth synomilia me ton Toyrko Proedro sthn opoia egine syzhthsh gyrw apo thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, gia thn opoia, opws jerete, eimaste poly qetikoi. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh na proxwrhsoyn oi synennohseis me thn Toyrkia. Bebaiws, omws, ypo ton oro oti h Toyrkia qa ylopoiei kai tis ypoxrewseis poy anelabe apo to Elsinki. Edw fainetai poso swsth einai ayth h epilogh mas. Ekeino poy qelw na deite einai oti to "den fobamai" toy Prwqypoyrgoy shmera, exei th dikh toy shmasia. Eipe, "den fobamai". To "den fobamai" shmainei praktika oti safws den prodikazetai kapoio qermo epeisodio ayth th stigmh. Oi sxeseis mas me thn Toyrkia den prodikazoyn oti kati tetoio einai mprosta mas. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, exoysi gnwsin oi fylakes. Yperaspizoyme ta eqnika symferonta mas, me thn politikh mas. H strathgikh ths mh entashs einai yper twn eqnikwn symferontwn mas, alla eimaste etoimoi kai na yperaspisoyme ta eqnika symferonta mas, me opoion tropo xreiastei, ean ayto xreiastei.

KARGOYDH: Se allo qema, ean mporeite na mas dwsete kapoies perissoteres plhrofories gia th synomilia poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, me ton k. Mpoys, gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, opws o idios o Prwqypoyrgos eipe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Anthllaghsan apoceis, se mia syntomh synanthsh, gyrw apo ta qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, gia thn poreia toys, gia th shmasia poy exoyn gia thn Ellada kai to nohma poy qa dwsoyme@

KARGOYDH: Gia thn asfaleia, ypoqetw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oytws h allws, ola ayta einai sto plaisio twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Alla, htan mia syntomh synomilia, h opoia epikentrwqhke sta qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

MPOTWNHS: Xqes chfisthke to epimaxo arqro toy basikoy metoxoy@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den htan epimaxo, dioti den eixe ginei kritikh ep` aytoy toy arqroy. Aplws, to arqro ayto htan shmeio-kleidi gia to nomosxedio. Yphrxe to asymbibasto. Ean eleipe to arqro, den qa yphrxe asymbibasto.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Pagkalos, ston opoio estalh h epistolikh chfos, antedrase me ton tropo poy oloi gnwrizoyme. Poly entona. Telika einai yperbolikos kai ojyqymos o k. Pagkalos h yparxei kapoio problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti yparxei kanena politiko problhma. Yphrje kapoio laqos apo th grammateia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Pagkalos, meta apo ayto, ekane th dhlwsh thn opoia oloi gnwrizete. Den yparxei politiko problhma.

MIXAHL: Qa epimeinw, oxi gia to ean qa yparxei politiko problhma me ton k. Pagkalo. Ta gegonota einai gnwsta. Eseis ta apodwsate se laqos ths grammateias. Mporeite na mas peite, ws ypoyrgos Typoy poy eixate kai thn eyqynh ths chfishs toy nomosxedioy@

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti kata to Syntagma einai diaforetikh h Ektelestikh apo th Nomoqetikh Ejoysia.

MIXAHL: Eseis to xeiristhkate, eseis to eishghqhkate@

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos yperaspizetai to nomosxedio toy@

MIXAHL: Na to pw diaforetika, epidiwjate thn chfish toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn eishghqhka.

MIXAHL: Thn eishghqhkate kai thn epidiwjate taytoxrona.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qewrw to nomosxedio poly swsto.

MIXAHL: Loipon, qelw na moy peite ean o k. Pagkalos sas diabebaiwse oti thn epimaxh diatajh gia thn opoia egine olos o qorybos -poy eseis lete oti den egine, oti den yparxei problhma, th symmerizetai kai qa thn chfize an htan parwn, xwris na antidrasei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den qelw na prodikazw tis apofaseis kanenos, dioti ayto qa htan atopo. Deyteron, o k. Pagkalos eixe topoqethqei epi ths oysias toy nomosxedioy me thn chfo toy. Qelw na qymisw oti epi ths arxhs, tote poy krinotan h oysia toy nomosxedioy, chfise to nomosxedio. To arqro 3 den eixe kapoia eidikh diatajh, h opoia na eixe prokalesei syzhthsh. Eidikh syzhthsh egine epi twn arqrwn 1 kai 2. Sto arqro 3 den egine kamia syzhthsh, sth diarkeia ths kat` arqron syzhthshs sth Boylh. Ara, den htan epimaxo. Aplws, htan "kleidi". Na sas ejhghsw ligo: H chfoforia sto arqro 3 ejomoioytai apolyta me th chfoforia epi ths arxhs. To arqro 3 einai ena mikro arqro, to opoio oysiastika perilambanei th leitoyrgia toy asymbibastoy. Tipote allo. Den kaqorizei oyte ariqmoys, oyte pososta. Perilambanei th mhxanikh leitoyrgia toy asymbibastoy. Mh yparxontos toy arqroy 3, den qa yphrxe to nomosxedio. Den mporeis na kaneis diorqwsh. Den einai ena arqro to opoio kai na apaleifqei den ginetai tipota. Praktika, htan deyterh onomastikh chfoforia epi ths arxhs. O k. Pagkalos eixe topoqethqei epi ths arxhs dia ths chfoy toy. O k. Pagkalos pantote leei safws th gnwmh toy. Kai nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na isxyristei to antiqeto. Epomenws, ean hqele na mas pei kati o k. Pagkalos epi toy nomosxedioy, na eiste bebaios oti qa to eixe pei. Mhn epixeiroyme omws na bgaloyme symperasmata. O k. Pagkalos aitiologhse me dikh toy anakoinwsh to ti egine. Den exoyme para na dextoyme ayto poy eipe kai na poyme oti den yparxei kanena politiko qema.

TAKHS: Lete oti den yparxei politiko qema, alla otan o k. Pagkalos leei oti den dexetai ton ejandrapodismo toy kai oti paradidei toys aqlioys kai tis aqliothtes sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, fwtografizontas ton k. Manika, o opoios xqes to brady dioxeteye kai edine aponta ton k. Pagkalo, den yparxei politiko qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti yphrje ena laqos ths grammateias ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Den yphrxe kamia politikh proqesh. Mia kopela ekane laqos kai apesteile pros ton k. Pagkalo to sxetiko sxedio epistolhs, exontas kai to "nai". Omologw oti htan ena laqos. Mhn apodidoyme politikh shmasia, xwris na yparxei kanenas logos.

TAKHS: To qema to "foyntwse" o k. Manikas@

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw, den nomizw oti egine kati tetoio. Kaneis den eixe proqesh na prokalesei problhma me ton k. Pagkalo. Kat` arxas, qelw na sas qymisw oti o k. Pagkalos eixe topoqethqei -dia ths chfoy toy- epi ths oysias toy nomosxedioy. Eixe dwsei qetikh chfo. Deyteron o k. Pagkalos einai enas anqrwpos poy pantote leei th gnwmh toy kai pote den krybei tis apoceis toy. Analambanei panta tis eyqynes toy. To gnwrizete. Giati epixeiroyme na apodwsoyme kapoia allh shmasia, peran ayths poy o idios dinei;

PEGKOS: To gegonos oti egine laqos apo th Grammateia, opws eipate, mia kopela ekane to laqos, oti to laqos ayto ths kopelas egine toso megalo qema, mhpws shmainei oti exei diarragei h cyxikh enothta toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perimenete na apanthsw se ayth thn erwthsh; Oxi, fantazomai.

TSIBOLA: Xqes, ekfrasate to sebasmo ths kybernhshs stoys ergazomenoys kai ta syndikalistika toys organa. Anarwtiemai, pws synartatai ayth h dhlwsh sas me to jylo poy erijan oi limenikoi, profanws me entolh toy ypoyrgeioy Naytilias, shmera stoys apergoys toy Peiraia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den htan akribws etsi. Kat arxas, ap o,ti plhroforoymai den einai oloi oi syllhfqentes naytikoi. Treis ej aytwn den exoyn kamia sxesh me to epaggelma. Den eixan kamia sxesh me thn apergia, giati den einai naytikoi. Breqhkan ekei kai prospaqhsan na askhsoyn bia, profanws me entolh allwn, kai oxi ektelwntas syndikalistika kaqhkonta.

Qelw na tonisw oti h apergia ayth eixe khryxqei paranomh me dikastikh apofash. Htan logiko, loipon, na epixeirhsoyn na fygoyn ta ploia, ta opoia telikws efygan. Kapoioi prospaqhsan, kanontas xrhsh bias -kai oxi syndikalistiko agwna- na empodisoyn thn anaxwrhsh twn ploiwn. Malista, polloi ej aytwn, an oxi oi perissoteroi, den htan kan naytikoi. Einai dynaton na mhn yparxei parembash twn armodiwn arxwn, otan kapoios kanei xrhsh bias, xwris na exei kamia sxesh me to xwro, kai strefetai enantion ekeinwn, poy doyleyan kai to ploio anaxwroyse; Den symmeteixan naytikoi sthn apergia.

TSIBOLA: Yphrxan apofaseis dyo swmateiwn. Malista oi limenikoi petajan ton proedro toy enos swmateioy sth qalassa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti den arkei na lambanoyn apofaseis kapoia swmateia, prepei kai na symmetexei kapoios. Otan den symmetexei kanenas ta ploia qa fygoyn.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Symfwna me plhrofories toy SKAI, kata thn proxqesinh synanthsh toy k. Papandreoy me ton Amerikano omologo toy kai thn ka Kontoliza Rais, sth Rwmh, o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eipe oti h Ellada den dexetai na pragmatopoioyn nhocies sta ellhnika xwrika ydata amerikanika ploia. Antiproteine na ginontai oi elegxoi apo tis ellhnikes Arxes. Epibebaiwnete thn plhroforia; Ti apanthsh elabe o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn apo toys epikefalhs ths amerikanikhs diplwmatias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn shmerines dhlwseis poy to epibebaiwnoyn. Ontws, o k. Papandreoy ejetase -opws eixe desmeyqei- to amerikaniko aithma kai apanthse oti gia logoys syntagmatikoys, alla kai anejarthsias eqnikhs kyriarxias, den ginetai apodekto to aithma ths amerikanikhs pleyras. Bebaiws, symmetexoyme ston polemo kata ths tromokratias. Qeloyme na symbaloyme sto dieqnh agwna kata ths tromokratias. Den exoyme antirrhsh, loipon, na kanoyme emeis tis nhocies sta xwrika ydata mas, otan ayto xreiazetai.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Ti apanthsh elabe;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qewrw oti einai apo ta qemata poy tiqentai ypo diapragmateysh. Teqhke to erwthma kai doqhke apanthsh, h opoia einai symfwnh me thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos mas kai twn dikaiwmatwn mas, oson afora thn eqnikh kyriarxia mas. Prosqese, omws, o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn oti, epeidh mas endiaferei h symmetoxh ston agwna kata ths tromokratias, eimaste etoimoi, otan eidopoioymaste na synergazomaste kai na kanoyme emeis tis nhocies, me tis dikes mas diwktikes Arxes. Den prokeitai na afhsoyme kapoion ypopto na kykloforei xwris na ginei elegxos.

PEGKOS: Se thleoptikh synenteyjh toy xqes o k. Koyloyrhs ekane logo gia noshro periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai gia proxeirologoys ypoyrgoys. Pws to sxoliazete; Ektimate oti yparxoyn proxeirologoi synadelfoi sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanerxomai se palaioteres dhlwseis moy, peri mh sxoliasmoy dhlwsewn stelexwn toy Kinhmatos.

SKOYRHS: O Proedros toy SEB xqes sas kathgorhse, enw symfwneite me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh gia thn anagkaiothta tolmhrwn metarryqmisewn, entoytois, prosarmozete tis politikes sas eklogikes skopimothtes se antipoliteytikes skopimothtes ths N.D. me apotelesma na mhn proxwra tipota. Apantate se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Kat arxas exei, hdh, apanthsei o k. Xristodoylakhs. O Prwqypoyrgos qa paroysiasei to diko mas plegma kinhsewn, th dikh mas desmh metrwn gia thn poreia ths oikonomias, sthn omilia toy sthn pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh, poy qa ginei shmera, me qema thn poreia kai tis ejelijeis sthn oikonomia. Qelw na shmeiwsw to ejhs: Kamia proeklogikh skopimothta den kaqodhgei tis antidraseis mas sthn oikonomia. Oi kinhseis mas sthn oikonomia kaqorizontai apo to programma mas kai thn epiqymia mas na ginoyn grhgora kai swsta oi diarqrwtikes allages, oi opoies proxwroyn. Qelw na tonisw oti einai gnwsth h entonh diafora poy yparxei me th N.D. gia to qema ths asfalistikhs metarryqmishs. Molis xqes o k. Soyflias epanhlqe, me omilia toy, kai kathgorhse thn kybernhsh me tis gnwstes aitiaseis ths N.D., peri dhqen anabolhs kai parapomphs toy asfalistikoy stis kalendes kai lysewn poy den einai efiktes. Toy apantame, omws, oti to asfalistiko qa lyqei twra kai malista me tropo biwsimo kai dikaio gia toys ergazomenoys. Giati h kalh poreia ths oikonomias mas dinei th dynatothta na xrhmatodotoyme me poly perissoteroys poroys toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. H oikonomia anaptyssetai qetika. Exoyme poroys, wste na efarmosoyme sthn prajh kai thn anadianomh toy eqnikoy eisodhmatos. Den yparxoyn proeklogikes skopimothtes. H antipoliteysh mporei na exei tis dikes ths kommatikes skopimothtes. Aytos einai dikos ths logariasmos. Emeis proxwroyme me bash ta symferonta ths oikonomias, ths xwras kai ths koinwnias mas. Den mporei na xrhmatodothsoyme programmata koinwnikhs politikhs, otan den yparxei pleonasma kai qetikh ejelijh ths oikonomias.

Sas eyxaristw.


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