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Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-12-06

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 2004

SYNENTEYJH TYPOY TWN YPOYRGWN EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKOY EKPROSWPOY Q. ROYSOPOYLOY, ESWTERIKWN-DHMOSIAS DIOIKHSHS KAI APOKENTRWSHS P. PAYLOPOYLOY KAI DIKAIOSYNHS AN. PAPALHGOYRA

Meta thn paroysiash toy Sxedioy Nomoy gia thn ``diasfalish ths diafaneias kai thn apotroph katastrathghsewn kata th diadikasia synachs dhmosiwn symbasewn'', oi ypoyrgoi Epikrateias kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos Q. Roysopoylos, Eswterikwn-Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwsh P. Paylopoylos kai Dikaiosynhs An. Papalhgoyras, apanthsan se erwthseis dhmosiografwn.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth diaplokh, opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn dyo paiktes : Apo th mia meria oi epixeirhmaties kai apo thn allh pleyra oi politikoi. Oso kai an piezei enas katoxos MME, ean o politikos den qelei, ean o politikos den paragnwrizei ton orko poy exei kanei gia thn yperaspish twn symferontwn toy ellhnikoy laoy, kaneis den mporei na epibalei tipote. Qelw na sas rwthsw, loipon, ti qa kanete me oloys toys politikoys, oi opoioi ypokyptoyn se aytes tis pieseis, poy opws lete, yparxoyn apo thn pleyra twn epixeirhmatiwn poy katexoyn MME kai an skepteste na kanete kati se ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete dikio. H diaplokh den einai monomerhs prajh. Epishs den anaferetai mono sta MME, giati to pneyma kai to gramma toy Syntagmatos kai toy nomoy aytoy den anaferetai mono sta MME. Milame gia MME kai etaireies analhchs dhmosiwn symbasewn. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti oi proeklogikes desmeyseis ths Neas Dhmokratias gia thn patajh toy fainomenoy ths diaplokhs aneferan rhtws qesmikes allages. Oi qesmikes aytes allages jekinhsan, prin apo ligo kairo. H prwth qesmikh allagh einai o nomos peri analhchs kataskeyastikwn ergwn me thn katarghsh toy amartwloy maqhmatikoy typoy. H deyterh qesmikh parembash, opws eixame desmeytei, einai h kataqesh toy nomoy peri basikoy metoxoy gia th diasfalish ths diafaneias kai thn apotroph katastrathghsewn kata th diergasia symbashs dhmosiwn symbasewn aytos einai o akribhs titlos toy nomoy. Kai h trith qesmikh parembash einai h enisxysh twn elegktikwn arxwn. Hdh me to nomo poy paroysiazoyme shmera enisxyetai, sto megalytero dynato baqmo, se sxesh me ta shmerina dedomena, o elegxos apo to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Mhn jexnate oti h prwth diatajh poy qespisthke me ton 3242/2004 htan ayth h opoia kaqistoyse genikotera thn apistia peri thn yphresia kakoyrghma, ws pros oloys toys dhmosioys leitoyrgoys. Kai ayto, epeidh, opws gnwrizete, den exei anadromikh isxy mia poinikh diatajh, afora ryqmish poy sxetizetai me toys dhmosioys leitoyrgoys apo edw kai pera. Etsi h kybernhsh edeije pws ennoei thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn ths.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw kai toys treis ypoyrgoys, giati kata th gnwmh sas den apotelei dysmenh diakrish apenanti sthn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta twn proswpwn poy syndeontai me prwto baqmo syggeneias h mexri tritoy baqmoy syggeneias me ta proswpa poy orizontai ws basikoi metoxoi stis etaireies MME kai to deytero, pws mporeite na epixeirhmatologhsete oti ena fysiko proswpo h mia epixeirhsh poy katexei to 1% twn metoxwn enos MME orizetai ws basikos metoxos;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy: An koitajei kaneis to Syntagma qa dei oti stoxos toy, mazi me tis loipes diatajeis, einai na ejasfalistei h diafaneia kai h oso to dynato megalyterh apagkistrwsh twn MME apo tis etaireies ekeines, oi opoies synaptoyn dhmosies symbaseis. To pneyma toy nomosxedioy einai h pragmatwsh aytoy toy stoxoy, poy shmainei oti oso to dynato ligotero prepei na metexei se MME ekeinos, o opoios einai katoxos metoxwn se etaireies poy synaptoyn dhmosies symbaseis. Kaname, loipon, ayto poy epebale to Syntagma. Dhladh, katebasame to pososto symmetoxhs sto katwtato dynato epipedo, etsi wste to pneyma toy Syntagmatos na pragmatwqei. Qelw na sas qymisw epishs oti h diatajh peri basikoy metoxoy mphke sto Syntagma otan pleon eixe diamorfwqei to syntagmatiko plaisio ths anaqewrhshs sthn arxh. Htan enas aifnidiasmos ths Boylhs, opws gnwrizete. Kai ayto shmainei oti o prwtos stoxos toy syntaktikoy nomoqeth, toy anaqewrhtikoy nomoqeth htan h kaqierwsh ths diafaneias! O basikos metoxos, sthn poreia, mphke ws ejairesh, h opoia prepei na ermhneyetai oso to dynato stenotera. Giati, enas basikos kanonas sto xwro toy Syntagmatos einai ekeinos, symfwna me ton opoio h ejairesh -se sxesh me ton kanona- prepei na ermhneyetai stena. H kybernhsh kanei ayto to pragma: Ermhneyei oso to dynato stenotera thn ejairesh toy basikoy metoxoy, gia na pragmatwsei to kyrio periexomeno toy Syntagmatos poy einai h diafaneia.

Se o,ti afora sto qema twn syggenikwn proswpwn: An koitajei kaneis th diatajh toy Syntagmatos, to arqro 14 paragrafos 9, qa parathrhsei oti: gia ta syggenika proswpa to idio to Syntagma, opws einai diatypwmeno, den bazei ws proypoqesh to ean kai kata poson exoyn oikonomikh aytoteleia. Pragma to opoio, allwste, prokyptei kai apo prosfath nomologia toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, estw kai an ayth einai parapemptikh apofash sthn Olomeleia. Alla, qymizw oti kai me thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos tetoia proypoqesh den eixe mpei. Otan h prohgoymenh kybernhsh efere sth Boylh th sxetikh diatajh kai ebale th dynatothta leitoyrgias proypoqesh ths oikonomikhs aytoteleias, sysswmh h Boylh eixe pei tote oti tetoia proypoqesh den xwrei. H shmerinh kybernhsh, loipon, kanei prajh ayto poy to idio to Syntagma leei kai h nomologia toy StE ``fainetai'' na prosanatolizetai. Lew fainetai, dioti, bebaiws, den prodikazoyme to apotelesma. H Olomeleia qa krinei. Alla, to Tmhma ermhneyse th diatajh ayth symfwna me to periexomeno toy sxedioy nomoy, to opoio emeis, ayth thn wra, dinoyme sth dhmosiothta kai qa kataqesoyme sth Boylh. Me aples lejeis, kanoyme ayto poy leei to Syntagma, ayto poy epiballei h nomologia twn Dikasthriwn. Den akrobatoyme, opws alloi, oi opoioi alla skeftontan kata thn anaqewrhsh kai alla kata thn ekdosh twn ektelestikwn nomwn ths efarmoghs toy Syntagmatos.

SIDERHS: Eixate allhlografia me thn E.E. Diapistwsate oti h ryqmish gia tis ejwxwries etaireies einai symbath telikws me to koinotiko dikaio h oxi; Kai ena deytero, ayto, oi syggeneis, ta parenqeta proswpa mexri tritoy baqmoy einai kai ayto symbato me to koinotiko dikaio h qa dhmioyrghsete entypwseis kai se dyo-tria xronia qa pame sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio kai qa ekpesoyn;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora, epanalambanw, tis ryqmiseis toy nomoy, bash mas einai to Syntagma. Opws jerete, nomiko qemelio kaqe Politeias einai to Syntagma ths. Kai oi nomoi krinontai, ws pros th syntagmatikothta toys me bash to Syntagma. Xarakthristiko paradeigma: Prosblhqhke, enwpion toy StE, ryqmish h opoia aforoyse to zhthma twn syggenwn, sto opoio anaferqhkate. To StE ekrine me bash to Syntagma. Kai h kybernhsh einai ypoxrewmenh na labei ypoch ths to Syntagma, panw sto opoio qemeliwnetai h idia h Politeia.

Se o,ti afora to zhthma toy koinotikoy dikaioy: Sto zhthma toy koinotikoy dikaioy den yparxei nomologia toy Dikasthrioy twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn poy na leei to antiqeto apo ayto poy kanoyme twra. Akoysa ki egw diafores apoceis. Kapoioi speydoyn na poyn ti qa pei, kata th gnwmh toys, to Dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn. Alla, anti na mas lene ti qa pei to Dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, mhpws qa htan kalytera na rijoyn mia matia sto ti epiballei to Syntagma, ti leei h nomologia twn ellhnikwn Dikasthriwn kai idiws toy StE; Na doyn, epishs, oti den exei pei tipota mexri twra to Dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn pros thn kateyqynsh ayth; Otan, malista -to tonizw- oydepote exei teqei enwpion toy Dikasthrioy twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn mia basikh parametros, h opoia einai poly shmantikh se o,ti afora thn ellhnikh pragmatikothta. To janalew gia deyterh fora: Sthn Ellada -kai symfwna me to Syntagma- ta MME leitoyrgoyn ws dhmosies yphresies, oi opoies kai otan dinontai se idiwth, den xanoyn th fysiognwmia ths dhmosias yphresias. Einai dhmosies yphresies kata paraxwrhsh. Kai ayto to qewroyme apolyta logiko kai symfwno me to koinotiko dikaio -pragma poy den prokeitai, kata thn ektimhsh mas, na qesei en amfibolw kamia koinotikh arxh h poly perissotero to Dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn. H eqnikh nomoqesia, oxi aplws mporei, epiballetai na diamorfwsei kanones se o,ti afora th leitoyrgia mias dhmosias yphresias! Kata th gnwmh mas, loipon, enw to sxedio nomoy sthrizetai sto stereo edafos toy Syntagmatos kai ths nomologias oi eikasies peri endexomenhs antiqeshs me to koinotiko dikaio aphxoyn mallon eysebeis poqoys, para pragmatikoys kindynoys.

GALIATSATOS: An diabazw kala to arqro 4 leei epi lejei: ``Prokeimenoy na diasfalistei h efarmogh toy skopoy ths diatajhs eisagetai h synakoloyqh apagoreysh synachs dhmosiwn symbasewn apo epixeirhseis stis opoies metexoyn etairoi, basikoi metoxoi h melh organwn dioikhshs h dieyqyntika stelexh epixeirhsewn MME''. Me dedomeno oti ayto perilambanei oles tis etaireies ellhnikes kai egxwries stis opoies metexoyn, to pososto symmetoxhs den kaqorizetai. Giati, den kaqorizetai to pososto symmetoxhs, afoy an to ermhneysw etsi opws to lete edw, einai dynaton kapoios metoxos, basikos metoxos ellhnikoy MME na paei na agorasei merikes metoxes ths General dynamics kai h Ellada na mhn mporei na agorasei F-16;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Otan qa diabasete to nomosxedio sto synolo toy, qa deite oti oi kindynoi, toys opoioys diaisqaneste ayth th stigmh, den yparxoyn. Kai den yparxoyn oi kindynoi, sthn periptwsh ayth, giati opws qa deite, gia paradeigma, h ennoia toy basikoy metoxoy opws kaqorizetai, sthn periptwsh ayth gia tis ellhnikes etaireies, isxyei kai gia tis allodapes etaireies. Qa hqela na sas pw to ejhs: Peran toy oti to zhthma mas einai me poion eimaste: Me th diafaneia h me to an qa yparjei qema yperaspishs twn symferontwn etaireiwn oi opoies qa erqoyn sthn Ellada gia na paroyn promhqeies h p.x. na kanoyn erga. Aytes prepei na prosarmostoyn sto Ellhniko Dikaio, to opoio kyriarxws exei qespistei. Hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs poly aplo: An ypoqesoyme, loipon, oti exoyme to fainomeno poy lete, jerete polles etaireies oi opoies, olws tyxaiws, qa phgainan na paroyn to 1% ths General Dynamics gia na mporesoyn na emfanistoyn sthn periptwsh ayth ws etaireia;

GALIATSATOS: Me sygxwreite, k. Ypoyrge, alla to 1% to prosdiorizete twra. Ekei lete oti metexoyn aplws.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy. Metexoyn, alla an deite, qa parathrhsete sthn periptwsh ayth oti afoy exeis thn ennoia toy basikoy metoxoy sto 1%, den mporei thn ennoia toy basikoy metoxoy na thn exeis edw sto 1% kai alloy na thn exeis diaforetika. Gi` ayto sas eipa oti otan diabasete to nomosxedio sto synolo toy, qa deite pragmatika tis asfalistikes dikleides, oi opoies yparxoyn.

ANTWNIOY: Prwton, giati toso jafnika apofasisate na dwsete estw tis basikes arxes toy nomosxedioy; Kai deyteron, hqela na moy peite gia thn oikonomikh aytoteleia mexri poioy baqmoy ftanei, dhladh einai mesa kai ta jadelfia, ti einai; Epishs, gia na milame kai me orismena paradeigmata, oi dikleides aytes pws as poyme mporoyn na ylopoihqoyn kai fernw paradeigma: O k. Bardinogiannhs p.x. einai metoxos kai toy Mega kai toy Star, o k. Kyriakoy -me diafora proswpa poy exoyn mesa- einai metoxos toy ANT-1 me ta paidia toy kai thn oikogeneia toy, alla exei kai to kanali MAKEDONIA. Yparxoyn, dhladh, paradeigmata toy pws diasfalizete, an qelete, h pragmatikh eikona poy anhkoyn ta MME kai den einai mia eikonikh eikona; Emeis, den exoyme olo to nomosxedio gia na kaqisoyme edw na doyme kai na kanoyme parathrhseis. Kai triton, hqela na moy dieykrinisete ti shmainei anadiorganwsh toy ESR;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto prwto erwthma sas: Mexri twra akoysame polles fores thn kathgoria pws kaqysteroyme na feroyme to sxedio nomoy. H apanthsh ths kybernhshs apo thn prwth stigmh -edw kai mhnes- htan oti qa katateqei ews to telos toy xronoy. Ara, loipon, einai toylaxiston periergo na erwtwmeqa shmera giati to paroysiazoyme. Sto trito erwthma sas, milhsame kai prohgoymenws, gia thn enisxysh toy Tmhmatos Diafaneias me empeirognwmones, ejeidikeymenoys ston elegxo, kaqws kai gia thn enisxysh toy ESR, me ta dyo Hlektronika Mhtrwa, ta opoia qa kaqistoyn ton elegxo para poly grhgoro. Anaferomai sto Hlektroniko Mhtrwo MME kai sta Hlektronika Mhtrwa etaireiwn analhchs dhmosiwn symbasewn. Ayta einai ta osa eixame desmeytei na kanoyme, enisxyontas tis elegktikes arxes kai h enisxysh toy ESR einai hdh orath me bash to qema ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den qa to allajete, dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite th synqesh toy; Oxi bebaia. Einai syntagmatika katoxyrwmenh Arxh kai orizetai, opws jerete, apo th Diaskech twn Proedrwn ths Boylhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa lhjei h qhteia toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa lhjei h qhteia toy. Sto deytero erwthma sas, h nomoqetikh parembash ths kybernhshs ginetai gia thn anadiorganwsh toy qesmikoy plaisioy, etsi wste na mporei o elegxos na ginetai afenos men eis baqos, afeteroy, oso pio swsta se sxesh me to prohgoymeno kaqestws. Kai qewroyme oti twra qa ginetai swstos elegxos.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na prosqesw kati s@ayta poy eipe o k. Roysopoylos gia tis armodiothtes: Oxi mono de qigontai h qhteia kai oi armodiothtes toy ESR, alla: Prwton, epekteinontai oi armodiothtes toy, opws qa deite kai sto shmeiwma poy sas exei doqei, kai se armodiothtes poy mexri shmera dystyxws den toy eixan doqei kai den oloklhrwnan to syntagmatikws katoxyrwmeno plaisio twn drasthriothtwn toy. Kai deyteron, h spoydaioterh kainotomia egkeitai sto oti, mexri shmera, atyxws -kai kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy giati synebaine ayto- to ESR eixe thn armodiothta toy elegxoy. Den eixe, omws, oyte thn ylikotexnikh ypodomh, oyte to stelexiako dynamiko na askhsei tis armodiothtes aytes. To apotelesma htan na erxontai sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias oi ekastote Proedroi toy ESR -arketoi apo toys opoioys paraithqhkan- na diektragwdoyn thn katastash poy epikratoyse kai na zhtoyn enagwniws enisxysh. Ayto poy kanei to sxedio nomoy: parexei thn ylikotexnikh ypodomh kai to stelexiako dynamiko, kaqws kai tis ejetastikes dynatothtes poy prepei na exei to ESR gia na askhsei tis armodiothtes toy. Qa deite, gia paradeigma, oti exei th dynatothta na xrhsimopoiei, gia thn askhsh twn drasthriothtwn toy, akomh kai alles yphresies, opws thn Epitroph Antagwnismoy kai th nea yphresia Forologikoy Elegxoy poy antikaqista to SDOE. Oi yphresies aytes mporoyn na syndramoyn thn prospaqeia thn opoia kataballei to ESR. Dioti, allh mia kainotomia, thn opoia qa deite sto sxedio nomoy einai oti den arkeitai mono sto na diapistwnei -peran apo ta syggenika proswpa sta opoia den yparxei h dynatothta ths oikonomikhs aytoteleias- alla, ekei poy yparxei oikonomikh aytoteleia, sta parenqeta proswpa. Ta megalytera kena poy yphrxan einai oti den dinotan h dynatothta kanenos ``poqen esxes'', poy einai h bash panw sthn opoia mporeis na sthrixqeis gia na deis an yparxei pragmati oikonomikh aytoteleia. Giati, oikonomikh aytoteleia den shmainei oti apodeiknyw oti exw xrhmata. Oikonomikh aytoteleia shmainei apo poy ta brhka ta xrhmata! Kati to opoio den yphrxe! Kai gia na mporesei na leitoyrghsei aytoy toy eidoys o mhxanismos, proypoqetei kai perissotero proswpiko, alla proypoqetei kai dynatothta synergasias toy ESR me toys mhxanismoys poy kanoyn -oytws h allws gia alles drasthriothtes- ton elegxo ayto. Ara, loipon, oxi mono den meiwnetai o rolos toy ESR, alla, antiqetws apokaqistatai to kyros kai to ycos toy qesmikoy toy roloy, opws ayto kaqierwqhke apo to Syntagma, meta thn anaqewrhsh toy 2000.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Sto deytero shmeio toy erwthmatos sas kai peran ths basikhs apanthshs poy edwse o k. Roysopoylos oti to krisimo einai to poso oysiwdhs qa einai o elegxos me to nomo ayto: Qa hqela na shmeiwsw akomh oti problepetai, opws eipa kai prin, metabatikh periodos 4 mhnwn, wste na symmorfwqoyn oi epixeirhseis MME h oi epixeirhseis poy analambanoyn tetoies symbaseis me tis diatajeis toy sygkekrimenoy nomoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, einai dynaton me ayth th synqesh toy ESR, th shmerinh, to opoio den exei kai thn ejwqen kalh martyria, mexri kai Eisaggeleas exei epembei, mporei na efarmostei aytos o nomos; Mporei ayth h synqesh na efarmosei to nomo;

PAYLOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh sebetai toys syntagmatikoys qesmoys. Se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na diatypwsei krish h na askhsei kritikh se anejarthth dioikhtikh Arxh, kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn ths. Ekeino poy mporoyme na poyme kai ekeino poy pragmati epilyei to nomosxedio ayto einai: Oi opoies dysleitoyrgies poy mporei na parathrhqhkan kata thn askhsh twn armodiothtwn toy ESR ofeilontai sto gegonos oti ayto, xronia oloklhra -kai kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy pws egine ayto- afeqhke na askei terasties armodiothtes, xwris na exei ta mesa kai thn ylikotexnikh ypodomh. Kai den mporei na kathgorei kaneis -den anaferomai se sas, kaqe allo, apantw sthn erwthsh sas aplws kai mono- to ESR, gia ton tropo poy askei ta kaqhkonta toy, otan ayto ofeiletai se elleiceis poy yparxoyn, epeidh h Politeia den toy edwse tis dynatothtes na askhsei tis armodiothtes toy. Ara, loipon, dyo einai oi logoi gia toys opoioys den prokeitai na yparjei kritikh epi ths armodiothtas: Prwton, giati de noeitai, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, kritikh ths armodiothtas ayths. Kai deyteron, giati kai an alhqeyei ayto to opoio lete, den ofeiletai sto ESR, alla sthn elleich ypodomhs. Xreos ths Politeias, anti na kanei kritikh kai diapistwseis, einai na symplhrwnei ta kena kai ayto kanei me to paron nomosxedio. Symplhrwnei ta kena, ta opoia alloi afhsan. Kai ws pros tis proqeseis h an qelete tis ameleies toy parelqontos, kaqenas krinei to baqmo ypaitiothtas, gia na to pw perissotero nomika.

SARANTAKOS: Prwton, mia erwthsh pros ton k. Paylopoylo: Eipate prin oti to Syntagma einai to qemelio kaqe xwras. Prin apo liges ebdomades o, kata th gnwmh moy, kaq` ylhn armodios Stayros Dhmas eixe dhlwsei rhta oti to Koinotiko Dikaio einai isxyrotero toy dikaioy kaqe xwras gia tetoioy eidoys zhthmata. Htan mia dhlwsh katagegrammenh sthn efhmerida ``EQNOS''. Qa hqela to sxolio sas, giati milhsate gia eysebeis poqoys kapoiwn, den nomizw oti ennooysate, pros Qeoy, ton k. Dhma. To deytero erwthma moy afora ton k. Roysopoylos. Eixate pei oti qa mpei tajh sto qema twn syxnothtwn kai twn adeiwn. Ti qa kanete gi ayto to qema; Ki an skefteste na anakalesete adeia leitoyrgias radiofwnikwn h thleoptikwn staqmwn, efoson apodeixqei oti metexoyn stis etaireies aytes proswpa poy exoyn kai alloys radiofwnikoys h thleoptikoys staqmoys, kati poy exei kataggeilei h N.D. ws antipoliteysh.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy th dhlwsh toy k. Dhma. Alla, o k. Dhmas einai epitropos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Mporei na omilei, ws epitropos ths E.E., ermhneyontas tis idrytikes synqhkes kai tis diatajeis toy Koinotikoy Dikaioy, symfwna me ayto poy epiballei to kaqhkon toy kai oi armodiothtes toy. Emeis ws kybernhsh -kai ayto isxyei gia oles tis kybernhseis olwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E.- exoyme ennomh tajh. Kai qemelio ths ennomhs tajhs einai to Syntagma mas. Ypo diaforetikh ekdoxh, an isxye ayto poy rwthsate, tote h ellhnikh Politeia kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa antloyse tis ejoysies ths kai th nomimopoihsh ths, oxi apo to Syntagma ths, alla apo alles arxes kai alles diatajeis. Kati poy qa htan, sas diabebaiwnw gia osoys to yposthrizoyn, idiaiterws epikindyno. To oti den mporei na prokycei, se kamia periptwsh, me bash thn ellhnikh ennomh tajh kai kaqe ennomh tajh sthn Eyrwph, kanenos eidoys yperoxh toy Koinotikoy Dikaioy enanti toy Syntagmatos, prokyptei apo to ejhs: To oti shmera metexoyme sthn E.E. ofeiletai sto oti ayto epitrepetai apo to ellhniko Syntagma. Opws, gia paradeigma, to gegonos oti qa kyrwsoyme th syntagmatikh Synqhkh, prwtoporoi elpizw se ligo kairo, ofeiletai sto oti to epitrepei to arqro 28 par. 3. Dhladh, einai h ellhnikh ennomh tajh dia toy Syntagmatos, poy exei yperkeimenh typikh isxy, h opoia mas epitrepei na metexoyme se mia genikoterh ennomh tajh, poy einai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. An htan dekto, loipon, oti exei yperterh typikh isxy to Koinotiko Dikaio enanti toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos, tote qa parathreito nomika to ejhs periergo fainomeno: Enas kanonas dikaioy, to ellhniko Syntagma dhladh, poy epitrepei na metexoyme sthn koinotikh ennomh tajh, na prosdidei se allon kanona Dikaioy, ton Koinotiko, meizona typikh isxy apo ayth poy exei to idio to Syntagma.

Exei dei pote kaneis, apo aytoys poy to yposthrizoyn -kai apeyqynomai stoys nomikoys kykloys, exei dei pote kaneis nomikos na mporei enas kanonas Dikaioy na prosdwsei se allon yperterh typikh isxy apo ayth poy aytos exei; Einai allo to zhthma pws aisqanetai h koinotikh ennomh tajh, otan efarmozei to diko ths Dikaio, to Dikaio poy qemeliwnei th dikaiodosia, gia paradeigma, twn armodiothtwn, eite ths Commission eite toy Dikasthrioy. kai entelws diaforetiko to zhthma toy poia einai h qesh toy Syntagmatos kai toy Koinotikoy Dikaioy se sxesh me thn ellhnikh Politeia kai tis ellhnikes arxes. Sas diabebaiwnw -kai den yparxei se ayto to shmeio dynatothta na yposthrixqei kati diaforetiko- oti h kaqe kybernhsh poy sebetai ton eayto ths kai th Dhmokratia, exei ena Syntagma, poy to efarmozei. Kai ayto ofeilei na sebastei. Kai otan to Syntagma moy leei oti aytoi einai oi kanones kai h nomologia toy StE moy epitassei na to kanw, qa to prajw.

Osoi qewroyn oti epikaloymenoi endexomenes koinotikes epitages prepei na prajoyn diaforetika, as bgoyn na to poyn dhmosia. Alla, qa prepei na kanoyn ierarxhsh. Ti sthrizoyn; Thn kyriarxia ths ellhnikhs Politeias kai to Syntagma h kati allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei kai sth Boylh, alla kai se dhmosies parembaseis moy, me aformh synenteyjeis Typoy, oi ryqmiseis gia ta krithria adeiodothshs kai synafh qemata, einai se nomosxedio poy epetai. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, as mhn kanoyme to laqos na blepoyme to basiko metoxo monomerws. Den apeyqynetai mono sta MME, alla kai stis etaireies analhchs dhmosiwn symbasewn isobarws. Se o,ti afora sto deytero erwthma sas gia thn anaklhsh adeiwn, sas qymizw oti h adeiodothsh kai h anaklhsh adeiwn einai armodiothta toy ESR, kai oxi kapoioy ypoyrgoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh mperdeythka me oles aytes tis diatajeis peri metoxwn, dieyqyntikwn stelexwn, parenqetwn proswpwn, k.l.p., qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Exw ena jadelfo poy einai metoxos se mia etaireia poy pairnei dhmosia erga. Bebaiws, den ton exw dei pote, giati den ta phgainw kala me toys syggeneis moy. Egw ergazomai kai se MME. Twra, me to nomosxedio ayto, otan ginei nomos, ti qa ginei; Ean egw agorasw 1% apo th mikroepixeirhsh sthn opoia ergazomai h an ginw dieyqynths, o jadelfos qa prepei na kleisei thn etaireia toy;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Ean pragmatika symbainei kati tetoio, den exete na fobhqeite. Dioti, opws qa deite, to amaxhto tekmhrio sxetika me to asymbibasto, poy to idio to Syntagma kaqierwnei, afora proswpa ta opoia briskontai se baqmo syggeneias, eite kateyqeian grammh aperioristws, eite ek plagioy mexri ton trito baqmo. Epomenws, den ypageste se ayth thn kathgoria. Mporei, omws, na teqei, epeidh milame gia syggenika proswpa, pragma poy isxyei kai me to shmerino, se ayto den allazei o isxywn nomos -kai se ayto to shmeio den allazei kata ti h ryqmish poy eisagoyme- problepei oti, prokeimenoy na apodeixqei, endexomenws, ean prokycei, oti den yparxei kapoia sympaignia, tote prepei, ean xreiastei, na apodeijei thn oikonomikh toy aytoteleia.

GKOYTZANHS: Bazete ``paraqyro''. Ena apo ta dyo isxyei. @H o jadelfos qa prepei na kleisei thn epixeirhsh h ean mporei na th diathrhsei tote yparxei paraqyro.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Jadelfos einai tetartos baqmos syggeneias.

GKOYTZANHS: As poyme, adelfos, giati den tis katalabainw poly aytes tis nomikes diatajeis.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Fobamai oti, ean den einai katanohth h diafora metajy toy patera kai toy paidioy, metajy twn adelfwn kai jadelfwn, tote einai ligo diaforetika ta pragmata. Kata thn kybernhsh kai kata to Syntagma, giati sas qymizw sto shmeio ayto oti h kybernhsh den kanei kati to opoio einai kainofanes, ean koitajete thn teleytaia apofash toy StE, poy parapempei sthn Olomeleia, qa deite oti ayto epitassei. H kybernhsh efarmozei ayto poy leei to Syntagma.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean ypoqesoyme oti o adelfos moy einai se exqrothta me ton allo basiko metoxo ths etaireias, mporoyme na toy to sthsoyme gia na ayjhsoyme thn epixeirhsh.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Qa parathrhsete oti yparxoyn diatajeis sto Syntagma, poy opoios epixeirhsei -einai eykolo na diapistwqei- na dhmioyrghsei aytoy toy eidoys thn proypoqesh, poy qa empodizei kapoion na kanei th drasthriothta ayth, exei aysthrotates kyrwseis. Sas diabebaiwnw oti to plegma twn kyrwsewn, poy periexei gi@ ayth thn periptwsh o nomos, einai akrws apotreptiko gia ekeinoys poy qa hqelan na ``paijoyn'' kai me toys qesmoys kai me anqrwpoys, oi opoioi qeloyn na metasxoyn eirhnika h nomimws sthn oikonomikh zwh ths xwras. Aytos o nomos katalambanei kai tis periptwseis aytes poy aforoyn tetoioy eidoys paixnidia.

TSIODRAS: An dexqoyme oti yperisxyei to Syntagma ths eyrwpaikhs nomoqesias, tote mporoyme na milame gia eyrwpaikh ennomh tajh, efoson kaqe xwra, me toys kanones poy qespizei to Syntagma ths kai sth synexeia me th dikh ths nomoqesia, mporei na erxetai se sygkroysh me ayto to opoio einai qespismeno apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Yparxei eyrwpaikh ennomh tajh tote;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Den eimaste edw gia na kanoyme seminario Syntagmatikoy h Koinotikoy Dikaioy. Alla, mias kai moy to qetete, eimai ypoxrewmenos na apanthsw: Ayth th stigmh, kaqe kratos-melos exei to Syntagma toy. Eyrwpaiko Syntagma, kata kyriolejia, den yparxei. Kai otan akoma qa qespistei h syntagmatikh synqhkh, den dhmioyrgeitai typikws, apo nomikhs pleyras, Syntagma san ki ayto poy exoyn ta krath-melh. H syntagmatikh synqhkh pyknwnei, enopoiei kai tropopoiei en merei, tis idrytikes synqhkes. Epomenws, sthn periptwsh ayth, opoia ierarxhsh yparxei metajy twn idrytikwn Synqhkwn kai toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos, h idia ierarxhsh qa yparxei, apo nomikh apoch, kai se o,ti afora th syntagmatikh synqhkh kai thn ellhnikh ennomh tajh. To erwthma sas, qa mporoyse na teqei otan qa apokthsei kai typikws to Syntagma ths h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Dhladh, sygkekrimenh politeiakh morfh, san kai aytes poy gnwrizoyme.

Shmera, to zhthma tiqetai kai qa teqei kai me th syntagmatikh synqhkh, opws etiqeto mexri twra. Ti leei ayth akribws h pragmatikothta; Leei oti kaqe kratos-melos exei to Syntagma toy. Bebaiws, ayto einai h bash ths ennomhs tajhs. Apofeygoyn h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai ta krath-melh na dhmioyrgoyn sygkroyseis poy mporei na yparjoyn. Gi` ayto kai qa exete parathrhsei oti einai spaniotates oi periptwseis, mexri shmera, opoy, eite to dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, eite ta krath-melh, breqhkan sthn anagkh na dhmioyrghsoyn proypoqeseis sygkroyshs metajy Syntagmatos kai eyrwpaikhs ennomhs tajhs.

Parathrhsa na grafontai kai na akoygontai polla, se sxesh me thn endexomenh antiqesh twn diatajewn aytwn me to Eyrwpaiko Koinotiko Dikaio. Ekplhssei to gegonos oti den tonizetai pws h kybernhsh einai ypoxrewmenh prwtistws na efarmosei to Syntagma ths. Kai rwtw ekeinoys poy to lene ayto, enocei malista kai ths apofashs toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias: Lene sthn kybernhsh oti enocei toy endexomenoy kindynoy na yparjei sygkroysh apo kapoio koinotiko organo metajy Eyrwpaikoy Koinotikoy Dikaioy kai Syntagmatos, prepei na agnohsei to Syntagma mas kai na agnohsei tis apofaseis twn ellhnikwn dikasthriwn kai idiws toy StE; Osoi to pisteyoyn, na bgoyn na to poyn anoikta! Pantws, ayto einai ypoqetiko. H ektimhsh mas einai pws me bash kai thn arxh ths diafaneias -poy ekteinetai genikotera sta krath-melh, giati, ean parathrhsete, qa deite oti arketes apo tis koinotikes odhgies, pleon, exoyn ayton ton prosanatolismo kaqws epishs kai me bash to gegonos -to janatonizw- oti exoyme mia sygkekrimenh syntagmatikh idiomorfia, h Koinothta den thn amfisbhtei. H Koinothta den amfisbhtei to gegonos oti ta MME, hlektronikoy Typoy, einai dhmosies yphresies, kata paraxwrhsh. Ayth einai mia ellhnikh pragmatikothta, thn opoia kai h E.E. sebetai. Giati, to poses dhmosies yphresies kanei ena kratos, einai diko toy zhthma. Epeidh, loipon, exoyme ayth thn idiomorfia, kata to ellhniko Syntagma, einai apolyta qemito. Kai, kata thn ektimhsh mas, den prokeitai na yparjei antirrhsh apo ta koinotika organa, na bazei periorismoys h ellhnikh ennomh tajh se o,ti afora th diafaneia, alla kai th leitoyrgia twn hlektronikwn MME.

TSIODRAS: Se periptwsh poy yparxei antifash anamesa sto ellhniko Syntagma kai thn eyrwpaikh nomoqesia, gia thn Eyrwph yperisxyei to ellhniko Syntagma;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Ekana mia dieykrinish prohgoymenws. Einai entelws diaforetiko to zhthma toy Dikasthrioy twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, to opoio ws dikasthrio poy idryetai me bash tis diatajeis ths E.E., efarmozei aytes tis diatajeis. Einai diko toy zhthma. Kai einai allo to zhthma mias ellhnikhs Politeias, h opoia erxetai kai leei ``ti prepei na efarmosw prwtistws, ti einai ekeino poy prwton prepei na efarmosw; Einai to Syntagma moy''! Kai moy prokalei ekplhjh to gegonos, giati yparxei tosh anhsyxia. Ean prokycei tetoia antiqesh, sthn periptwsh ayth, sto mellon, qa hqela na rwthsw ti symboyleyoyn aytoi poy kradainoyn ayth thn wra ton kindyno ths opoias endexomenhs antiqeshs me to Koinotiko Dikaio. Kradainoyn, an qelete, th qesh kai thn apoch oti mprosta se ayth thn ypoqetikh katastash qa prepei na agnohsoyme to Syntagma kai th nomologia twn dikasthriwn; De nomizw oti kaneis mporei sobara na yposthrijei kati tetoio. As bgei na to pei. H kybernhsh exei dedomeno oti exei na efarmosei ena Syntagma kai mia nomologia h opoia anaferei ti leei to Syntagma. Kapoioi qewroyn oti enocei ypoqetikwn apofasewn toy dikasthrioy Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, prepei na mhn efarmosoyme to Syntagma kai th nomologia twn dikasthriwn. Fobamai oti, ektos apo to paralogo, mia tetoia qesh prepei na yponoei kai kati allo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An shmera o N.3021/2002 epitrepei thn yparjh parenqetwn proswpwn, to diko sas nomosxedio endexomenws qa prepei na dwsei to ``prasino fws'' stoys qigomenoys na anazhthsoyn, entos toy tetramhnoy, axyranqrwpoys. Blepw sto arqro 2 oti qa elegxontai ean yparxoyn oikonomika ejarthmena atoma h etaireies, kaqws nomika h fysika proswpa poy energoyn basei genikhs h eidikhs symfwnias. Pws qa hsaste se qesh na jerete ti eidoys symfwnia einai ayth; Kai ean yparxei ena idiwtiko symfwnhtiko katateqeimeno se kapoio dikhgoro, pws mporeite na to jerete;

Kai ena deytero poy qelw na rwthsw einai, epeidh prin den moy egine safes ti qa ginei sthn periptwsh poy enas qigomenos shmera kataskeyasths h ergolhpths agorasei to 1% kapoias allhs etaireias antipaloy, antagwnisth h balei kapoion allo na tis agorasei kai perielqoyn sth dikh toy idiokthsia, exei kaqe dikaiwma na to kanei mesw toy Xrhmatisthrioy epishs, ekeinh th stigmh den mplokarei, kaqws einai metoxos mias etaireias kai taytoxrona einai syggenhs, parenqeto proswpo toy patera, toy adelfoy;

PAYLOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto, eipate oti qa prepei sto xroniko ayto diasthma na anazhthsoyn ``axyranqrwpoys''. Fobamai oti me th nootropia poy kallierghqhke tosa xronia, mesa apo th nomoqesia poy afhne tis kerkoportes anoiktes, pragmati yparxei ayth h logikh. H logikh toy sxedioy nomoy einai oti den mporei na yparxoyn ``axyranqrwpoi''. Giati, opoios pragmatika empiptei s` aytoys toys periorismoys, kalo einai na epilejei th drasthriothta thn opoia exei h na poylhsei tis metoxes toy kanonika h na kanei tis analoges allages, xwris na xrhsimopopoihsei ``axyranqrwpoys''. Giati, stoxos toy sxedioy nomoy einai na breqoyn aytoi oi ``axyranqrwpoi''. Giati o mhxanismos poy bazoyme, syn to ``poqen esxes'' poy kaqierwnoyme kai to opoio den yphrxe prohgoymenws, stoxo exei, akribws, na apofygei oles aytes tis drasthriothtes. Otan doqei, thn epomenh Deytera, to nomosxedio ayto, plhrws sth dhmosiothta, qa deite poies einai oi kyrwseis poy yparxoyn gia ekeinoys, giati ayto fainetai. Aytes oi etaireies, oi opoies synaptoyn megales dhmosies symbaseis, den einai etaireies poy einai ``ths mias draxmhs ta giasemia''. Einai megales etaireies. Otan, loipon, mesa apo to Xrhmatisthrio kapoios pairnei to 1%, den to kanei olws tyxaiws kai yperbainei to 1%. Fantazeste oti, olws tyxaiws, kapoios phgainei se oles tis etaireies, gia paradeigma, gia na mplokarei to systhma; Qa deite oti yparxei kyrwsh, h opoia gia opoion qa skeftotan na kanei kati tetoio, mallon qa htan idiaiterws apotreptikh.

TASIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean me ayto to sxedio nomoy teleiwnei o agwnas ths kybernhshs kata ths diaplokhs. Ean exete melethsei ta problhmata poy mporei na dhmioyrghqoyn sto oikonomiko periballon apo to sxedio nomoy ayto. Kai qa hqela na mas dinate mia eikona gia to baqmo aysthrothtas toy nomoy se sxesh me tis ypoloipes eyrwpaikes xwres.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Prepei na sas pw eyqews oti to prwto melhma mias kybernhshs einai na ekplhrwnei to xreos poy prokyptei apo to Syntagma. Kai bebaiws, na lambanei ypoch ths kai tis ypoloipes parametroys: Alla, h prosarmogh sthn oikonomikh pragmatikothta kai tis anagkes ginetai me gnwmona oti den blaptetai to Syntagma kai idiws o pyrhnas twn diatajewn. Dioti, ean htan na kanoyme kati diaforetiko, qa eprepe na jekiname apo to ti einai ekeino poy wfelei thn oikonomia gia na prosarmosoyme to Syntagma. Symbainei to antistrofo. Exoyme ena Syntagma, to opoio efarmozoyme, lambanontas bebaiws ypoch kai tis dynatothtes poy yparxoyn, wste na mh dhmioyrghqoyn parenergeies, oi opoies, qa sas elega sthn periptwsh ayth, antimetwpizontai me bash oti, prepei na efarmostei prwtistws to Syntagma.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Yparxoyn xwres poy mporei na exoyn aysthroteres diatajeis kai alles poy mporei na mhn exoyn. Jexname kati kai to epanalambanw gia pollosth fora: Prwton, oti to ellhniko Syntagma exei eidikes syntagmatikes diatajeis gia th diafaneia, poy spania synantwntai se allo Syntagma. Kai deyteron, exei thn idiomorfia -ap` oso gnwrizw, giati mporei na kanw kai laqos- oti h Ellada einai h xwra poy exei anagagei ta hlektronika MME se dhmosia yphresia. Ayto diaforopoiei thn ellhnikh pragmatikothta apo kati allo: Einai toso dyskolo, dhladh, se aytoys poy askoyn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta na prosarmostoyn sth syntagmatikh tajh; Epeidh afeqhke ayto to systhma, ola ayta ta xronia, na leitoyrgei, polles fores, xwris kanones, prepei ayth h katastash poy dhmioyrghqhke na apotelesei to gnwmona gia to mellon; Gnwrizw polles fores ti ennoeite, otan lete ``oi dysleitoyrgies toy oikonomikoy systhmatos''. Dysleitoyrgies me thn ennoia oti den prokeitai na yparxei aytoy toy eidoys h asydosia, endexomenws nai. Ean ennoei kaneis dysleitoyrgies, me bash mia ennomh tajh poy leitoyrgei kanonika kai oi epixeirhseis leitoyrgoyn symfwna me toys kanones ths diafaneias kai toy eleyqeroy antagwnismoy, eimaste pepeismenoi oti ayto to nomosxedio, oxi mono de dhmioyrgei kanena empodio, alla, antiqetws, enisxyontas toys kanones toy eleyqeroys antagwnismoy, sthn pragmatikothta bohqa kai thn taxyterh oikonomikh anaptyjh -h opoia, opws gnwrizete, sthn Ellada den mporese na paei oso qa eprepe- metajy allwn. Kai giati einai gnwsto oti se sygkekrimenoys tomeis, idiws dhmosiwn symbasewn, diamorfwqhkan oligopwliakes h monopwliakes katastaseis. Ean, loipon, ennoei kapoios oti, ayto to nomosxedio de symbibazetai me ayth thn pragmatikothta kai den synexizei ayth h katastash, bebaiws, etsi einai. Alla, apo thn allh pleyra, ayto to nomosxedio apokaqista h filodojei na apokatasthsei toys kanones ths ennomhs tajhs, ths diafaneias kai toy ygioys antagwnismoy, poy einai oi baseis gia mia taxytera anaptyssomenh oikonomia kai poly perissotero gia mia oikonomia poy exei dynamikh prooptikh.

MPOTSARAKOS: Stoys tesseris mhnes poy lete oti qa einai to metabatiko stadio gia thn prosarmogh twn MME kai twn etaireiwn poy synaptoyn dhmosies symbaseis, ti akribws qa ginei; Qa pagwsei h synach symbasewn; Kai ti qa ginei me tis symbaseis poy ekteloyntai hdh; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Den qa htan protimotero na eixe prohghqei to nomosxedio me thn adeiodothsh twn staqmwn, etsi wste na einai pio safh h eikona poy exoyn oi epixeirhmaties gia to ti qa epilejoyn;

PAPALHGOYRAS: Oson afora thn prwth sas parathrhsh, sas apantw oti kata to diasthma poy mesolabei, dhladh kata th diarkeia aytoy toy tetramhnoy, to ESR askei kanonika tis armodiothtes toy symfwna me tis keimenes diatajeis. Qa ejakoloyqhsei na elegxei ayta poy prepei, ta pistopoihtika diafaneias k.lp. Milame gia to plafon twn 250.000 eyrw, dhladh, th dysmenesterh periptwsh poy isxyei shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto deytero erwthma sas, oi ryqmiseis gia thn adeiodothsh epontai, dioti ayto einai ena nomosxedio to opoio den anaferetai mono sta MME, alla orizei synolika to topio twn sxesewn MME kai etaireiwn analhchs dhmosiwn symbasewn. Enw to allo, anaferetai apokleistika kai mono sta MME. Ginetai prospaqeia na erqei oso to dynaton pio syntoma, wste na antimetwpistei ena problhma. Qelw na qymisw oti to problhma ayto den exei antimetwpistei epi 17 xronia sto radiofwno -plhn kapoiwn adeiodothsewn sto Lekanopedio Attikhs prin apo liga xronia, gia mia kai mono fora- kai 15 xronia sthn thleorash.

BLAXOS: Qa ferete nomosxedio gia tis metrhseis thleqeashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diafora synafh zhthmata. To zhthma twn metrhsewn -kai den milw mono gia tis metrhseis thleqeashs, alla synolika gia tis metrhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs- einai ena qema gia to opoio eixe milhsei h N.D., prin apo xronia, ws antipoliteysh kai eixe kataqesei dhmosia tis protaseis ths. Synepws perilambanetai stis skeceis ths kybernhshs, opws perilambanontai kai zhthmata poy aforoyn sth diafhmish. Prokeitai, dhladh, gia ena plegma qematwn gyrw apo ta MME, ta opoia akoloyqoyn to taxytero dynato diasthma. Einai polysynqeta qemata. Den mporei kaneis se dyo-treis mhnes na epilysei problhmata poy menoyn epi seira etwn anepilyta h dysepilyta. Poly perissotero otan exei hdh diamorfwqei ena topio. H prospaqeia anamorfwshs kai orismoy oso to dynaton pio antikeimenikwn kanonwn einai poly pio dyskolh apo to na orisei kaneis to topio ek twn proterwn. Sas dinw ena paradeigma wste na ginei pio katanohto: H chfiakh thleorash den efarmozetai akomh sthn Ellada. Ean h shmerinh kybernhsh den frontisei -h h epomenh kybernhsh ths N.D.- na orisei th lewforo panw sthn opoia qa badisei h chfiakh thleorash, meta apo 10 h 15 xronia otan efarmostei h chfiakh thleorash qa antimetwpisoyme ta idia problhmata poy antimetwpizoyme shmera me th symbatikh thleorash.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epeidh sto ESR ekkremei to qema twn thleoptikwn adeiwn, opws gnwrizete yparxei se ejelijh enas diagwnismos gia tis thleoptikes adeies eqnikhs embeleias, o opoios einai sto parapente na akyrwqei. Yparxei, epishs kai to qema twn radiofwnikwn adeiwn toy nomoy Attikhs, opoy mesa sto Dekembrio to ESR prepei na prokhryjei ananewsh adeiwn gia toys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Qelw na sas rwthsw pote qa erqei ayto to nomosxedio gia thn adeiodothsh twn MME gia to opoio yparxoyn kapoies diarroes oti qa yparxoyn ekei allages se sxesh me ta krithria moriodothshs. Exete kati na mas peite se sxesh me to xrono, me ti allages qa ferete sto epomeno diasthma; To deytero poy qelw na rwthsw anaferetai sto arqro 4, opoy anaferetai oti apagoreyetai stis epixeirhseis MME na synaptoyn dhmosies symbaseis ergwn, yphresiwn kai promhqeies agaqwn. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ti stoxo exei h diatajh kai qelw na moy peite ean kanw laqos: Ap` oso jerw oi symbaseis poy kanoyn mexri twra ta MME me to Dhmosio aforoyn kyriws ekdotikes h ektypwtikes drasthriothtes. Ean isxyei ayto poy lew mhpws qa plhgoyn ta MME kai kyriws o entypos Typos; Otan lete oti synaptoyn dhmosies symbaseis ergwn, ti eidoys symbaseis apeyqeias kanoyn ta MME me to Dhmosio; (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den prepei na blepei kapoios mono thn etaireia, alla kai ta proswpa opws ayta perigrafontai se dieyqyntikes qeseis kai na exei kata noy thn apagoreysh poy isxyei gia thn symmetoxh se dyo diaforetikes etaireies. Se o,ti afora stis symbaseis poy anaferqhkate: Synafeis symbaseis me to ergo to opoio kanei mia epixeirhsh MME den apagoreyontai. Gia paradeigma, h ektypwsh bibliwn sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Oson afora sto prwto erwthma sas, einai ena dysepilyto problhma. Anamenoyme thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias se sxesh me thn prokhryjh gia thn adeiodothsh, poy einai ayto poy qa orisei kai thn arxh ths nomoqetikhs ryqmishs. Antilambanomai oti yparxei ena zhthma me tis radiofwnikes adeies giati o xronos piezei. Isws einai to mono poy ayth th stigmh den mporei na antimetwpistei drastika kai amesa. Sas qymizw oti prin apo enan-enamish mhna ekdoqhke apofash toy StE gia ta radiofwna. Eyelpistoyme -giati ergazomaste hdh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh parallhla me to nomosxedio gia to basiko metoxo- na exoyme kataqesei, prin apo thn anoijh, to nomosxedio poy afora stis nees ryqmiseis gia thn adeiodothsh.

ANTWNIOY: (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh anaferqei se ayto to qema. Eipa oti to mono zhthma poy paramenei problhmatiko, epi 17 xronia, einai h adeiodothsh twn radiofwnikwn kai thleoptikwn staqmwn. Den mporei na lyqei se treis mhnes. Pantws, qa lyqei. Qa antimetwpistei kai qa lyqei to qema twn radiothleoptikwn adeiwn panelladikhs embeleias, dioti eseis anaferesqe mono sta radiofwna toy Lekanopedioy Attikhs.

BAGIANOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Ena apo ta opla ths kybernhshs sth sygkroysh me thn adiafaneia kai th diaplokh thn opoia poly prosfata exei kataggeilei kai o Prwqypoyrgos dhmosiws, einai ayto to nomosxedio. H kybernhsh fobatai h qewrei piqano olo to epomeno diasthma na yparxei entash twn epiqesewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai epilogh enos ekastoy, eite milame gia kommata, eite gia MME. Pisteyoyme akradanta oti oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn tis prospaqeies poy exoyn ginei ews twra apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Gnwrizoyn tis proeklogikes desmeyseis mas. Einai se qesh de na ektimhsoyn -ean kai efoson symbei ayto poy lete- toys logoys gia toys opoioys qa symbei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh qewrei h kybernhsh oti einai ena apo ta pio kombika nomosxedia, kai oxi mono ws nomosxedio alla kai genikotera ws politikh kinhsh kai enocei ths proedrikhs ekloghs, ean ayto to nomosxedio exei proejoflhsei th synainesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ean, dhladh, exei ejasfalisei ws kybernhsh ths synainesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs h ean telika mporei na apotelesei, en dynamei, moxlo gia mia prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs as krinoyn thn aytonomia h th synafeia twn politikwn se sxesh me ayto to nomosxedio.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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