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Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2005

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Kat` arxas, qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh, sxetika me tis katastaseis twn dhmosiografwn poy exoyn stalei sthn Enwsh Syntaktwn kai oi opoioi apasxoloyntai sto Dhmosio kai ton eyrytero Dhmosio Tomea:

``Desmeyqhka oti qa ginei dialogos gia to qema twn epaggelmatikwn sxesewn dhmosiografwn kai Dhmosioy Tomea kai to epraja. O dialogos arxise. Desmeyqhka oti qa kataqesw sygkekrimenes protaseis sto dialogo. To epraja. Oi protaseis moy kai gnwstes einai kai antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs eginan. Desmeyqhka oti qa proxwrhsoyme apo koinoy kommata kai dhmosiografikes Enwseis ston kaqorismo twn asymbibastwn, ws pros tis epaggelmatikes sxeseis Dhmosioy kai dhmosiografwn. To epraja.

Shmera, stelnw nea epistolh pros oloys gia th deyterh kai oristikh synanthsh sto Zappeio, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme sto qema. H synanthsh ayth qa ginei thn prosexh Pempth (10/2). Desmeyqhka oti efoson yparjei sxetiko aithma qa steilw sthn Enwsh Syntaktwn tis katastaseis twn apasxoloymenwn dhmosiografwn sto Dhmosio, tis opoies diaqetei h Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias kai to epraja. Desmeyqhka oti, gia prwth fora meta apo polla xronia, qa zhthsw apo oloys toys foreis poy mexri twra den estelnan katastaseis, qewrwntas oti den ypagontai sto sxetiko Proedriko Diatagma na aposteiloyn kai aytoi ola ta stoixeia kai to epraja. Opws sas eipa kai th Deytera oi foreis aytoi stelnoyn pleon gia prwth fora, meta apo xronia, ta stoixeia. Desmeyqhka oti ayta ta nea stoixeia qa ta steilw epishs sthn ESHEA, h opoia moy to zhthse hdh kai ayto qa ginei poly syntoma.

Opws problepei o nomos h Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias, h Genikh Grammateia Enhmerwshs , dhladh to prwhn ypoyrgeio Typoy, ews tis 31 Martioy qa exei sygkentrwsei ola ta stoixeia toy 2004 kai mexri tis 5 Aprilioy qa apostaloyn kai ayta sthn Enwsh Syntaktwn.

Dhlwnw, gia mia akomh fora, oti hmoyn kai eimai enantion ths isopedwshs. Enantion kaqe isopedwshs. Eimaste yper ths diafaneias. Shmeiwnw, gia mia akomh fora, wste na mhn exei bash kamia parermhneia, oti hmoyn kai eimai yper ths swsths xrhshs aytwn twn stoixeiwn. An enas, pente, deka, penhnta h ekato dhmosiografoi parabiazoyn toys Kwdikes Deontologias kai to Katastatiko ths Enwshs Syntaktwn, tote mono gi` aytoys h Enwsh exei dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh na epiballei tis opoies kyrwseis krinei ayth. Kaneis den exei hqiko dikaiwma na isopedwnei.

Me xara blepw shmera -se polla Mesa Enhmerwshs- na yposthrizetai h apoch poy ki egw yposthrija oti, dhladh, kanenas den dikaioytai na epixeirei na diasyrei ton opoiondhpote. Oi ryqmiseis poy syntoma qa protaqoyn qa syntelesoyn apofasistika, wste ayth h skia poy epixeireitai apo kapoioys na pesei epi dikaiwn kai adikwn na dialyqei mia gia panta.

To teleytaio poy qelw na shmeiwsw einai oti me synepeia logwn kai ergwn emeis apodeiknyoyme empraktws ayto poy prwtistws endiaferei oloys mas kai thn koinwnia synolika. Kai ayto einai h diasfalish ths anejarthsias twn leitoyrgwn toy Typoy.''

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dedomenh h egklhmatikh elafrothta ths apofashs ths ESHEA na dhmosiopoihsei tis listes aytes, giati yparxoyn dhmosiografoi oi opoioi me proswpiko kostos diafylajan thn anejarthsia toys sth doyleia kai twra prepei na apodeijoyn oti den einai elefantes, oti den einai baporakia dika sas h toy prohgoymenoy toy k. Prwtopapa. To qema einai eseis anagnwrizete kapoia dikia sas eyqynh gia ekeino to pyrotexnhma ekeino to brady sth Boylh; Den dhmioyrghsate to qema, to dhmioyrghse o Maqioydakhs @aytoys toys ekproswpoys exoyme, me aytoys poreyomaste, ti na kanoyme- alla eseis to epiteinate ekeino to brady kai bebaia ta pragmata exoyn th dikh toys dynamikh kai phran thn poreia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete, kat` arxhn, na mh symfwnhsw me to xarakthrismo ``pyrotexnhma''. Qa shmeiwsw, omws, kati to opoio gnwrizoyn ola ta melh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy ths Enwshs Syntaktwn. Exw hdh kanei treis synanthseis me to D.S. ths Enwshs. Sthn prwth kiolas synanthsh, liges hmeres meta thn eklogh ths neas kybernhshs, apo ena melos toy Symboylioy moy zhthqhke na thrhqei to Proedriko Diatagma kai o nomos kai na stalei sto D.S. h katastash twn dhmosiografwn. Estrafhn kai erwthsa to synolo toy D.S. kai apanthsh den phra. Sth deyterh synanthsh, meta apo ligoys mhnes, eqesa monos to qema, rwtwntas an to D.S. exei labei apofash @gia na mh nomistei oti ypekfeygw- me aformh thn protash enos meloys. Den phra apanthsh.

H trith synanthsh egine stis 14 Ianoyarioy. Eqesa kai pali to qema ayto. Shmasia den exei, omws, to parelqon, shmasia exei ayth h nea ryqmish, thn opoia h kybernhsh epidiwkei kai pisteyw oti epidiwkoyme oloi apo koinoy kommata kai Enwseis Syntaktwn, etsi wste -opws epanelaba polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa, alla kai sth Boylh kai sto dhmosio dialogo toy Zappeioy- na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote skia epi dikaiwn kai adikwn. Kai ayth h nea arxh, eis o,ti afora sthn kybernhsh, sas diabebaiw oti qa ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh lete oti qa steilete nea katastash, den thn dinete eseis sth dhmosiothta gia na mh th dinei h ESHEA pali;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh moy gia to qema ths dhmosiothtas einai gnwsth kai exei epanalhfqei polles fores. Thn epanelaba kai shmera.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eiste kai melos ths Enwshs Syntaktwn, qewreite skopimo oti ayto to qema den xeiristhke kala apo thn Enwsh Syntaktwn; Den problecate eseis ayth thn ejelijh; Peite mas kati gia to story ayths ths ejelijhs mias kai o klados ayth th stigmh den brisketai sthn kalyterh fash toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na milaei kaneis gia @story@ ejelijhs, otan yparxoyn nomoi kai Proedrika Diatagmata poy problepoyn epakribws ti ginetai kai ti prepei na ginetai. Otan yparxoyn Kwdikes Deontologias, oi opoioi epishs problepoyn ti prepei na ginetai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth xqesinh sas dhlwsh, xqes to brady dhladh, anaferate oti dipla apo kaqe onoma yphrxan kai sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia apaleifqhkan telika apo ton katalogo, o opoios dhmosieyqhke apo ton ESHEA. Qewreite oti egine apo ``hliqiothta'' h apo skopimothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste, eixa thn eyqynh na aposteilw, opws problepetai apo to Proedriko Diatagma, thn katastash ayth. Ekeino to opoio den perilambanetai sthn katastash @kai orqws pisteyw den perilambanetai- einai h amoibh enos dhmosiografoy. Kata ta loipa, yphrxe enas xarakthrismos, opws poly swsta eipate, kai opws anefera kai xqes sth dhlwsh moy, eite gia symbash orismenoy xronoy, eite gia symbash aoristoy xronoy, oytws wste na mhn emfanizetai kapoios poy ergasthke gia ena mhna, gia paradeigma, na exei ergastei gia enan oloklhro xrono, eite bebaiws gia dhmosiografoys, oi opoioi emfanizontai na ergazontai se dyo ypoyrgeia, enw exoyn apospastei apo to ena ypoyrgeio sto allo.

TSIODRAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, milhsate gia swsth ``hmoyn kai eimai'' eipate yper ths swsths xrhshs aytwn twn stoixeiwn. Poia kata th gnwmh sas einai h swsth xrhsh kai deyteron poy den egine swsth xrhsh apo thn ESHEA aytwn twn stoixeiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh, alla qa to epanalabw: To Proedriko Diatagma problepei th sygkentrwsh twn stoixeiwn apo to prwhn ypoyrgeio Typoy, nyn Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias, Genikh Grammateia Enhmerwshs. Eipa polles fores @kai malista prwtos to eipa- kai etsi egine kai gnwsto, den prospaqhsa, oyte na krycw kati kai na ypekfygw oti apo kakh ermhneia kapoies yphresies, kapoioi organismoi toy eyryteroy Dhmosioy Tomea, oi opoioi sto metajy exoyn idiwtikopoihqei, en pollois, arnoynto h ameloysan na steiloyn ayta ta stoixeia. Parallhlws, opws gnwrizete poly kala, yparxei ena Katastatiko gia tis Enwseis Syntaktwn ki enas Kwdikas Deontologias poy diepei th leitoyrgia twn Enwsewn Syntaktwn kai twn dhmosiografwn melwn toys kai mh melwn toys. Aytos o Kwdikas anaferei safws, to arqro 5, oti qewreitai asymbibasth h idiothta toy dhmosiografoy poy ergazetai se Grafeio Typoy me toy idioy proswpoy na kalyptei synafes reportaz. Ws ek toytoy, h Enwsh Syntaktwn kai kaqe Enwsh Syntaktwn exei ennomo symferon na zhthsei tis katastaseis gia na dei an throyntai oi Kwdikes Deontologias, oi opoioi ftiaxthkan me poly kopo prin apo liga xronia kai oi opoioi qa prepei na throyntai. Ayto, loipon, einai gia mena swsth xrhsh ths opoias katastashs. Ean, dhladh, yparxoyn dhmosiografoi poy throyn toys Kwdikes Deontologias h oxi. Na sas to dwsw me ena antistoixo paradeigma sto Dikhgoriko Syllogo, o opoios problepei gia ta melh toy mia emmisqh entolh. Ean kapoio melos parabiazei ayth thn problech toy Katastatikoy toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy exei tis synepeies. Den dhmosieyei o Dikhgorikos Syllogos ola ta onomata olwn twn dikhgorwn poy exoyn emmisqes entoles sto Dhmosio kai ton eyrytero Dhmosio Tomea, alla plhroforeitai apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia, apo tis armodies yphresies poioi einai ekeinoi poy tyxon parabiazoyn ton Kwdika gia na epibaloyn ston enan, dyo, treis, pente, deka tis opoies poines. Ayth einai h swsth xrhsh gia mena.

KAKALHS: Ti empodise thn kybernhsh na dwsei sth dhmosiothta ta onomata twn dhmosiografwn poy exoyn analabei thleoptikes paragwges sto kratiko kanali; Epishs, ti thn empodise na dwsei ta onomata twn symboylwn ypoyrgwn h Dioikhsewn Organismwn; Telika h kybernhsh fobatai th dhmosiothta mexri teloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei polles fores @kai epanelaba kai shmera- oti oxi monon den fobatai kanenos eidoys dhmosiothta, giati h dhmosiothta thn opoia fantazomai kai oi dyo symfwnoyme, ektos ki an exw katalabei laqos, afora sth dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn stis Enwseis Syntaktwn. Den yparxei kanenas fobos kai kanena empodio. Ayto poy safws eipa einai oti apo laqos ermhneia pollwn organismwn den estalhsan orqws ta stoixeia. Otan lew den estalhsan ta stoixeia ennow apo oloys toys organismoys, oxi apo kapoioys organismoys memonwmena. Kaqe organismos exei kai th dikh toy eyqynh gia na steilei ta stoixeia. Ta stoixeia ta opoia egw esteila einai ayta poy perilambanontai stis katastaseis poy eixan ftasei sto ypoyrgeio Typoy, giati tote yphrxe akomh ypoyrgeio Typoy, ews tis 31 Martioy toy 2004. Diapistwsa sthn poreia ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws kai to opoio eipa gia prwth fora sto Zappeio prin apo peripoy mia ebdomada, oti dhladh kapoioi parermhneyan to Proedriko Diatagma kai qewroysan oti den entassontai stoys organismoys poy problepei to Proedriko Diatagma. Kai gia na diorqwsw ayth thn ypoqesh, katopin entolhs moy, estalh epistolh apo th Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias se aytoys toys organismoys, oytws wste na dwsoyn kai aytoi ola ta stoixeia. Kai desmeythka oti ola ta stoixeia qa doqoyn sthn Enwsh Syntaktwn, efoson moy to zhthse hdh. Kai desmeythka oti antistoixws ews ton Aprilio qa dwsw ta stoixeia toy 2004.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ws pros to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa hqela na rwthsw. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei: Den gnwrizete, den sas edwse to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn toys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai ekei kai endexomenws plhrwnontai apo ta mystika kondylia h symbainei kati allo, sas edwsan ta onomata ayta ki eseis den ta dwsate sthn ESHEA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti to qema twn mystikwn kondyliwn exei kleisei oristika kai me pollh safhneia to exw perigracei kai sto Zappeio, alla kai se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den epanerxomai se ayto to zhthma.

Se o,ti afora sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, moy dinete thn aformh na pw to ejhs: Estalhsan katastaseis apo 18 ypoyrgeia kai apo 122 foreis. Dhmosiopoihqhkan apo ligotera ypoyrgeia h apo ligoteroys foreis, oxi giati hqele h ESHEA na paraplanhsei to koino, alla dioti yphrxan polloi foreis apo toys 122, opws kai kapoia ypoyrgeia @kai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn einai ena xarakthristiko paradeigma- h apanthsh twn opoiwn periegrafe me ``mhden'' th synergasia me opoiondhpote dhmosiografo ston prohgoymeno xrono. Sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, opws gnwrizete, yparxei Grafeio Typoy, to opoio epandrwnetai apo stelexh ths dioikhshs toy ypoyrgeioy kai ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy apo to diplwmatiko Swma. Yparxoyn polloi alloi foreis @kai to lew ayto giati akoysa oti kateqese kai mia erwthsh o k. Manos prin apo ligo sth Boylh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, milwntas gia eikosi foreis. Einai 122 oi foreis apo toys opoioys h Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias elabe apanthsh. To an apo toys 122 oi 102 den synergasthkan me kanenan dhmosiografo ton prohgoymeno xrono, den shmainei oti den estalhsan kai oi foreis poy eprepe na staloyn.

XIWTHS: Anakoinwsate 122 foreis kai 18 ypoyrgeia. Apo tis listes poy diabazoyme, oi monoi foreis poy anaferontai einai h ERT kai ta Praktoreia Eidhsewn. Ayta den einai 20, einai tria. Ta ypoloipa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew ti eipe o k. Manos, profanws exontas paranohsei kai qewrwntas oti emeis krycame stoixeia. Eipa oti estalhsan 122 foreis kai 18 ypoyrgeia. Otan se ena forea den yparxei onoma dhmosiografoy, einai giati den synergasthke o foreas aytos me kanena dhmosiografo to 2003.

XIWTHS: Gia na to jekaqarisoyme. Basei twn stoixeiwn, loipon, poy blepoyme dhmosieymena shmera, oi monadikoi foreis toy dhmosioy kai eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea poy eixan thn ypoxrewsh na aposteiloyn stoixeia @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai perissoteroi apo aytoys poy lete.

XIWTHS: Kai poy einai oi ypoloipoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporw na sas pw ta onomata. Bebaia den ta exw twra proxeira, giati einai kai para polla. Dhmioyrghqhke, omws, h entypwsh oti doqhkan elliph stoixeia akribws gia to logo poy sas eipa, oti apo toys 122 foreis, sthn pleiochfia toys den synergasthkan me kapoio dhmosiografo.

XIWTHS: Ws ek toytoy, kriqhke skopimo na mh dhmosiopoihqoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai sthn krish ths ESHEA.

GKOYTZANHS: Den synergasthkan aytoi oi foreis me kanena dhmosiografo h dhlwsan oti den synergasthkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh ayth, opws gnwrizete, ginetai apo ena epishmo forea, einai epishmo eggrafo kai den mporei na einai ceydhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia paradeigma, oi trapezes dhlwsan oti den synergasthkan me dhmosiografoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na mhn ypeiselqoyme se sygkekrimena paradeigmata. Sas eipa dyo apla pragmata: Prwton, esteilan tosoi foreis, apo aytoys, ena megalo pososto den synergasthke me dhmosiografoys. Kai deyteron, den estelnan epi seira etwn foreis poy qewroysan oti den anhkoyn ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Kai to qewroysan ayto, kyriws gia dyo logoys. Eite giati eixan ginei idiwtikopoihseis kai aytoi oi foreis metatraphkan se anwnymes etaireies, eite giati h ermhneia poy ekanan me bash toys epomenoys nomoys gia to ti einai dhmosios kai ti eyryteros dhmosios tomeas, parejekleine ths ermhneias poy edine to Proedriko Diatagma Reppa. Sas lew oti epanerxomaste sto Proedriko Diatagma Reppa kai ofeiloyn oloi aytoi poy nomizan oti den prepei na stelnoyn stoixeia, na steiloyn. Kai ayto den to lew twra, alla edw kai hmeres. Exei stalei epistolh me entolh moy se oloys aytoys toys foreis, opoy nomika toys ypenqymizoyme na apanthsoyn sta erwthmata ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias.

IWANNOY: Sta stoixeia poy dwsate twra, lete oti einai 122 foreis. Me bash thn epistolh poy exete steilei twra gia na prosteqoyn kai oi ypoloipoi, se ti ariqmo pisteyete oti qa anelqoyn synolika oi foreis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw, ayth th stigmh, na sas apanthsw. Qa to koitajw kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

IWANNOY: Peripoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na eimai akribhs kai sygkekrimenos. Den mporw na apanthsw sto peripoy.

KOYIN: An qymamai eipate oti ean steilete lista onomatwn sthn ESHEA kai dhmosieyqei, ayto parabiazei to nomo peri prostasias proswpikwn dedomenwn. H ESHEA, omws, ta dhmosieyse. Eseis giati na janasteilete onomata sthn ESHEA, an qa to janakanei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ypoxreoymai, basei Proedrikoy Diatagmatos, na apanthsw se opoion exei ennomo symferon sto aithma toy. Kai yparxei hdh aithma toy exontos ennomo symferon. Sas eipa kai proxqes oti h eyqynh apenanti sto nomo den einai syllogikh, einai atomikh.

SOYGLERHS: Sthn prwth epistolh sas eixate epishmanei to gegonos oti h Enwsh Syntaktwn an krinei ekeinh na dhmosiopoihsei ta onomata. Sth deyterh epistolh, kanete to idio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Den eixa pei ``an krinei''. Eixa pei oti eimai enantion ths dhmosiopoihshs twn onomatwn.

SOYGLERHS: Twra h ESHEA qa xeiristei to qema me ton idio tropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apoch moy isxyei. Den allazei. Den exw allajei apoch se tipota apo osa exw pei olo ayto to diasthma kai se tipota apo osa elega kai ws dhmosiografos, gia tis epaggelmatikes sxeseis dhmosiografwn kai Dhmosioy.

TSIODRAS: Eixate pei oti eiste enantion ths dhmosiopoihshs kai den mporeite na to kanete eseis, epeidh krinete oti den einai deontologika swsto h epeidh einai paranomo; Krinete thn prajh ths ESHEA ws mia prajh, h opoia politika exei (den akoygetai) h ws mia prajh h opoia antibainei sto nomo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti antibainei sta peri proswpikwn dedomenwn. Apo ekei kai pera, einai ena nomiko zhthma, to opoio, efoson klhqoyn kapoioi armodioi nomikoi na to lysoyn, qa to lysoyn.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, kaleite thn Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn na elegjei th nomimothta ths ESHEA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kalw kanenan. Eipa thn apoch moy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qa exei kyrwseis h ESHEA h opoios dhmosiopoihsei, poy antibainei to nomo peri proswpikwn dedomenwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akomh ki an symbainei ayto, den eimai katallhlos egw na apanthsw.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporei sto mellon na parembei amesa kai eisaggeleas. Kai giati to lew ayto. Tiqetai qema elegxoy ths nomimothtas, ean ta stoixeia poy sas paredwsan kapoioi organismoi, ypoyrgeia h epopteymenoi foreis toy Dhmosioy, einai pragmati alhqina. Eseis pws mporeite na to elegjete ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwth fora akoyw na tiqetai ayto to qema. To eipe kai kapoios synadelfos sas nwritera. Ayta einai dhmosia eggrafa sta opoia oi syntaktes ypoxreoyntai na katagrafoyn thn pragmatikothta.

SARANTAKOS: Sxetika me to qema twn symbasioyxwn, hqela to sxolio sas gia thn arnhtikh oysiastika ekqesh apo to Episthmoniko Symboylio ths Boylhs, se o,ti afora to krithrio ths synenteyjhs poy qesmoqetei gia tis proslhceis o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Dioikhshs k. Paylopoylos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai endiaferon to gegonos oti me mia eishghsh, poy akoma den exei katateqei, ejagontai kapoia symperasmata, enw sto antistoixo qema toy basikoy metoxoy, gia paradeigma, otan eixame to tmhma toy StE na exei apofasisei me 7-0 thn antisyntagmatikothta toy nomoy, htan polloi ekeinoi -kai entos kai ektos Boylhs- poy yposthrizan oti qa eprepe na perimenoyme thn Olomeleia.

SARANTAKOS: Qewreite oti den prepei na katagrafontai, estw kai aytes oi epishmanseis enos organoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite na katagrafontai dhmosiografika, fysika kai prepei na katagrafontai opoies plhrofories oi dhmosiografoi qewroyn eidhseis. Kanw krish epi toy sygkekrimenoy kai lew oti otan eixame oloklhro to tmhma toy StE na apofasizei gia to basiko metoxo, ton prohgoymeno nomo toy PASOK, htan polles oi fwnes entos kai ektos Boylhs poy elegan oti den mas arkei to tmhma, qeloyme thn Olomeleia. Twra den exoyme kan to tmhma. Exoyme mia eishghsh poy den exei katateqei kai poy, symfwna me plhrofories, dhmosieyetai oti einai aytes kai ejagontai diafora symperasmata. Kaqenas mporei na ejagei kai ta dika toy symperasmata.

SPYRAKH: O k. Sarantakos @kai me sygxwreite poy parembainw- rwta gia to krithrio ths synenteyjhs kai th xqesinobradinh gnwmateysh toy Episthmonikoy Symboylioy ths Boylhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Zhtw syggnwmh, den to katalaba.

SARANTAKOS: Akribws. H erwthsh moy htan sygkekrimenh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parenohsa, zhtw syggnwmh. Alla h apanthsh moy isxyei.

SARANTAKOS: Kai gia to Episthmoniko Symboylio ths Boylhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, h apanthsh moy isxyei gia to prohgoymeno qema par` oti ek paranohsews qewrhsa egw oti rwthsate. To krithrio ths synenteyjhs exei syzhthqei para poly. Exoyn akoystei polla kai diafora. Ekeino gia to opoio h kybernhsh einai bebaih kai to yposthrizei, einai oti einai ena antikeimeniko krithrio, to opoio xrhsimopoieitai hdh sto ellhniko Dhmosio, opws gnwrizete, kai se alloys foreis kai se ypoyrgeia. Aifnhs, gia paradeigma @mias kai egine pollh syzhthsh gia to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn edw- na sas qymisw oti to krithrio ths synenteyjhs einai poly shmantiko gia thn proslhch twn diplwmatikwn ypallhlwn.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Paylopoylos eixe dwsei xqes mia anakoinwsh, epitiqemenos kata ths efhmeridas ``EQNOS'' poy apokalyce to qema kai malista empleje ayth thn ypoqesh kai me to basiko metoxo, legontas oti kapoia dhmosiografika kentra epitiqentai, epikaloymenoi kiolas oti to Koinotiko Dikaio yperisxyei toy eqnikoy dikaioy kai toy Syntagmatos. Profanws, o k. Paylopoylos den einai me ton k. Dhma, o opoios exei akribws ayth thn apoch h ton k. Soyflia o opoios to eixe ekfrasei h kai alloys Ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas. O k. Paylopoylos ejedwse mia anakoinwsh @ dhlwsh, me aformh ena dhmosieyma to opoio anaferotan se qemata ths dikhs toy armodiothtas kai apokatesthse thn alhqeia, opws anaferei kai sthn anakoinwsh toy.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis exete dwsei daneika 3.000 eyrw se kapoion agnwsto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean anafereste sth gnwsth farsa thn opoia kapoioi aytes tis hmeres metedwsan, qelw na sas pw oti yparxei hdh anakoinwsh Typoy apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, sthn opoia dinetai apanthsh kai ston k. Kaxrimakh kai sta osa eipwqhkan h den eipwqhkan.

SIDERHS: Qewreite oti synadei me th sobarothta poy prepei na exei to Ypoyrgeio Amynas @to opoio einai kata tekmhrio to pio sobaro Ypoyrgeio ths xwras- ayth h anakoinwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas@

SIDERHS: Milw gia to styl ths anakoinwshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @ kai qa moy epitrecete na shmeiwsw kati to opoio ofeilw na shmeiwsw: Enw yparxei empargko gia thn anafora toy onomatos toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynhs alla kai twn drasthriothtwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs, diapistwnw oti se mia ypoqesh spilwshs toy proswpoy toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, to empargko ayto hrqh.

SIDERHS: Dystyxws, kyrie Ekproswpe, den eixan oyte oi toyrkikes, oyte oi kypriakes efhmerides empargko.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh, kyrie Ekproswpe, emeis edw den thrhsame ayto to empargko apo thn arxh, dikaioymaste kai na rwtoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dikaioyste na rwtate o,ti qelete.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh apo ayth thn anakoinwsh egw den katalaba: telikws ta edwse h den ta edwse ta xrhmata to Ypoyrgeio; Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai ta edwse apo thn tseph toy o k. Ypoyrgos h ta ebgale apo kapoio ``mayro syrtari'' toy Ypoyrgeioy kai plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos th farsa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, h opoia einai safhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Den to dieykrinizei ayto, kyrie Ypoyrge, alliws den qa to rwtoysa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai safhs, analytikh kai sygkekrimenh.

SPYRAKH: O k. Xasikos, o prwhn Ypoyrgos Amynas ths Kyproy, milwntas xqes sthn thleorash, se ola ta ellhnika kanalia, eipe epi lejei oti toy thlefwnhsan apo to ellhniko Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai toy zhthsan ta daneika. Eseis amfisbhteite thn ajiopistia toy Kyprioy politikoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws anaferetai kai sthn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, oydepote stelexos toy Grafeioy toy Ypoyrgoy epikoinwnhse me ton k. Xasiko, poy profanws epixeirhqhke na ejapathqei apo kapoio farser.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pera apo toys farser poy mporei na pairnoyn xrhmata apo to Dhmosio eite etsi, eite alliws, yparxoyn kai oi ypotrofoi toy Idrymatos@

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qewreite dedomeno ayto, enw h dhmosiografikh ereyna den exei apodeijei kati tetoio.

LEONTITSH: Qelw na qesw ena allo qema: Yparxoyn oi ypotrofoi toy Idrymatos Kratikwn Ypotrofiwn. Neoi anqrwpoi, poy edwsan ejetaseis, perasan ajiokratika, briskontai sto ejwteriko, dinoyn th maxh ths gnwshs kai gia eji mhnes twra menoyn ston aera, oysiastika aplhrwtoi. Plhrwqhkan ton perasmeno Dekembrio gia toys prohgoymenoys mhnes, gia na mporesoyn na ta bgaloyn pera. Exoyme dei kai ston Typo diafores diamartyries poy mas exoyn kanei entypwsh, perigrafoyn thn katastash toys poly glafyra, to pws pernoyn ayta ta paidia sto ejwteriko kai twra epanerxontai: Den exoyn parei xrhmata apo to Dekembrio. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw prwta apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai en synexeia na sas dwsw apanthsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia th xqesinh dhlwsh toy Arxiepiskopoy peri kaqarshs kai mesa sthn Ekklhsia. Pws to blepei ayto h kybernhsh kai an yparxei kapoios swlhnas synennohshs, giati polla akoygontai teleytaia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``Swlhnas synennohshs''; Oxi, opws to lete, alla kaqe prospaqeia sthn kateyqynsh ths kaqarshs se opoiodhpote xwro kai idiaitera se enan eyaisqhto xwro opws aytos ths Ekklhsias, briskei thn yposthrijh ths kybernhshs.

XIWTHS: @Hqela na rwthsw, aytes oi dhmosiografikes plhrofories poy anaferoyn oti qa doqoyn 7 eyrw ayjhsh sto EKAS, alhqeyoyn h einai kai ayto farsa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa anakoinwqei otan @opws sas eipa kai proxqes- prepei na anakoinwqei poia qa einai h ayjhsh.

KAKALHS: Poios einai o stoxos ths paramonhs ths ellhnikhs stratiwtikhs apostolhs sto Afganistan; Mhpws einai h prostasia ths paragwghs hrwinhs poy pollaplasiasthke meta thn eisbolh toy NATO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw yperbolikh th diatypwsh ths erwthshs sas. Den krinw to nohma, giati to nohma einai akomh yperbolikotero. Yparxei mia desmeysh mas, h opoia einai dieqnhs desmeysh kai ayth throyme: Gia th bohqeia sthn prospaqeia apokatastashs ths Dhmokratias kai twn qesmwn s` ayth thn perioxh.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai eipate oti kaqe prospaqeia gia kaqarsh se opoiondhpote xwro exei thn yposthrijh ths kybernhshs, mhpws h kybernhsh skopeyei na kanei kai kapoia kaqarsh sto xwro twn bambakoparagwgwn kai twn ekkokkistwn, na doyme an yparxoyn eyqynes gi` aytes tis xiliades periptwseis paranomiwn kai eidikotera ean emplekontai ekkokkisthria; Nomizw oti einai qema sto opoio qa mporoyse na parembei akomh kai h Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ti qa kanei h Dikaiosynh, h opoia einai anejarthth, den mporei na to orisei h kybernhsh, opws antilambaneste. Alla, kai mono to gegonos oti egine gia prwth fora epanelegxos, o opoios kai apedwse, einai ena bhma sth swsth kateyqynsh. Kai bebaiws, opoioi exoyn paranomhsei, qa ypostoyn tis synepeies.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh mporei na steilei kapoies ypoqeseis sth Dikaiosynh, eidika stis periptwseis twn ekkokkistwn. Den einai mono qema aytepaggelths parembashs ths Dikaiosynhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti sas apanthsa ikanopoihtika, dioti h apanthsh eixe dyo skelh, oxi mono ena.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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