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Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-07-14

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 14 Ioylioy 2005

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, anaxwrei gia th Lhmno, opoy qa milhsei sto Festibal ths ONNED.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, ofeilw na dwsw mia apanthsh sth xqesinh erwthsh toy k. Kakalh. Sxetika, loipon, me th xqesinh syzhthsh mas gia tis qeseis ergasias poy qa prokycoyn apo tis mexri stigmhs egkriqeises ependyseis, epikoinwnhsa me to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai sas apantw: Oi ependyseis poy exoyn egkriqei mexri stigmhs einai 62, opws sas eipa, apo toys 249 fakeloys -meletwntai kai oloi oi ypoloipoi- poy exoyn hdh katateqei edw kai ligoys mhnes kai katatiqentai synexws. Mexri stigmhs exoyn dhmioyrghqei 785 qeseis ergasias prwtogenws gi` aytes tis ependyseis. Oi qeseis ergasias poy prokyptoyn einai ameses, enw panta se periptwseis ependysewn prokyptoyn kai emmeses qeseis apasxolhshs. Oi perissoteres apo aytes tis qeseis poy sas anefera prokyptoyn ston tomea toy Toyrismoy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas qymisete kai poso htan to ycos twn epixorhghsewn gi` aytes tis 785 qeseis ergasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ennoeite oti einai poly akribh h qesh ergasias sthn Ellada, ontws einai, alla den fantazomai na proteinete meiwsh twn misqwn.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poioi htan oi apoxrwntes logoi poy o k. Boylgarakhs eipe nai se ola ston hlektroniko oloklhrwtismo poy mas etoimazoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete mia diatypwsh poy den antiproswpeyei thn pragmatikothta. O k. Boylgarakhs, opws kai o k. Papalhgoyras ekanan, xqes, sxetikes dhlwseis. Den egine tipote perissotero apo mia syzhthsh poy katelhje se dhlwsh twn 25. Den elhfqhsan apofaseis poy na perilambanoyn sygkekrimena metra. Einai ena keimeno epipedoy arxwn. H Ellada diathrhse tis epifylajeis ths. Kai oi dyo ypoyrgoi diathrhsan tis epifylajeis toys. Yparxei mia seira Epitropwn empeirognwmonwn poy qa syzhthsoyn epi twn skecewn poy diatypwqhkan xqes sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn, etsi wste ayth h syzhthsh na proxwrhsei isws se kapoies apofaseis sto mellon.

SIDERHS: To reportaz leei oti alles xwres diatypwsan epifylajeis, oi dyo Ellhnes Ypoyrgoi den diatypwsan, den kategrafhsan epifylajeis. To ekanan monon stoys dhmosiografoys ek twn ysterwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na exw perissoterh empistosynh se ayta poy dhlwsan oi idioi oi Ypoyrgoi sth Synodo. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, stis Synodoys aytoy toy eidoys throyntai praktika. Parakalw anazhthste ta.

POYLIDOY: Dyo erwthseis: An qewreite oti to mhnyma twn Gallwn kai twn Ollandwn chfoforwn eisakoysthke apo th xqesinh apofash twn Ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite, dhladh, to dhmochfisma gia to Eyrwsyntagma.

POYLIDOY: Akribws. Kai to deytero einai an qa yparxei opoiosdhpote dhmokratikos elegxos aytoy toy elegxoy poy apofasisthke xqes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sto prwto erwthma sas, den mporw na kanw sxolio gia to an oi chfoforoi esteilan kai alla mhnymata peran toy erwthmatos gia to an egkrinoyn h oxi th syntagmatikh Synqhkh. Sto deytero erwthma sas, exw na sas pw -opws exw pei kai alles fores edw- oti oi syntagmatikes eleyqeries poy einai katoxyrwmenes sth xwra mas qa thrhqoyn apolytws.

KAKALHS: O k. Boylgarakhs stis dhlwseis toy meta ekane logo, eqese ena zhthma enarmonishs ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias me th nomoqesia thn E.E. me ta isxyonta genikotera sthn E.E.. Ayto ti shmainei praktika; Oti erxontai neoi tromonomoi apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Opws sas anefera yparxei diadikasia syzhthshs se epipedo empeirognwmonwn, apo edw kai pera, poy qa krathsei arketoys mhnes. Qa akoystoyn protaseis kai me bash aytes qa lhfqoyn oi apofaseis.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na gnwrizw oi apofaseis poy lete oti qa lhfqoyn an einai sto pneyma ths xqesinhs syzhthshs kai mia deyterh erwthsh se sxesh me tis protaseis poy kanei to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio gia tis allages sth forologia. Pws tis antimetwpizei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto prwto, qa htan adokimo na apanthsw se kati me ypoqetikh erwthsh. Ean kai otan ginei qa arxisoyn oi diadikasies, qa ginoyn oi syzhthseis, qa doyme poies einai oi protaseis stis opoies qa katalhjoyn oi empeirognwmones. Sto deytero, yparxoyn protaseis apo to DNT. H kybernhsh, opws sas exw pei, se mia seira qematwn akoyei, syllambanei mhnymata, analyei tis protaseis kai sth synexeia an xreiastei na kanei kapoies parembaseis, qa tis kanei. Se o,ti afora sta forologika, opws gnwrizete, o forologikos nomos exei prosfata chfistei. Den antimetwpizetai ayth th stigmh allagh toy forologikoy nomoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayth h epistolh laqos poy esteile o gnwstos dieyqynths htan laqos h toy epebalan na kanei ayto to laqos; Einai kati gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na thn proetoimasei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste, profanws, sth dhmosiopoihsh mias apofashs protoy kan ayth syzhthqei kai lhfqei ws apofash. Apo thn armodia dieyqynsh, me thn opoia epikoinwnhsan synergates moy, eipwqhke oti prokeitai peri texnikoy laqoys. Anqrwpoi einai kai stis Bryjelles, mporei na kanoyn laqh. Twra an ola ayta ta laqh einai mono texnikhs yfhs h alla, ayto as to krinei kaqenas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kanoyn syxna tetoia texnika laqh stis Bryjelles;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo o,ti akoysa den exei janaginei antistoixo laqos. Den gnwrizw an exei symbei kai se allh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto eipa an einai mia proeidopoihsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an qa proxwrhsei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph sto na aposteilei thn proeidopoihtikh epistolh gia to zhthma ths onomastikopoihshs sta MME. Den mporei na thn apokleisei kaneis. Einai, opws eidate -an isxyei ayto poy diabasame xqes- mia syzhthsh poy phgainei se baqos xronoy, sxedon 17 xronia pisw, me diaforoys nomoys poy kata kairoys exoyn chfistei gia thn onomastikopoihsh. To zhthma ths onomastikopoihshs einai ena apo ta qemata poy apasxoloyn ta MME, toys nomoys ayths ths xwras kai oxi mono. Kai se alles xwres yparxoyn nomoi poy epitrepoyn h epiballoyn onomastikopoihsh metoxwn se kapoia pososta sta MME panta.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes kybernhtikes phges dhmioyrgoysan thn aisqhsh kai edinan thn plhroforhsh oti pisw apo ayto to laqos, to texnikhs fysews laqos, briskontai ellhnika symferonta, epixeirhmatika yponowntas. Dhladh, emfanizan oysiastika thn E.E. na exei ypallhlikh sxesh me diafora symferonta. Symfwneite; To afhnete anoixto; Einai mia apo tis piqanothtes; Dioti opws gnwrizete -kai ws dhmosiografos sto parelqon kai ws politikos shmera- h Nea Dhmokratia htan to monadiko komma poy ypegrace thn entajh ths Elladas sthn E.E.. Den eixe pote antieyrwpaikh politikh. Twra, omws, emfanizetai na exei antieyrwpaikh politikh. Yparxei, an qelete, tetoios diaylos metajy symferontwn kai E.E. kata thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai kati poy den mporw na to gnwrizw. Ekeino poy egw gnwrizw einai oti h eyrwpaikh politikh einai kaqhmerinothta, einai kaqhmerinh praktikh, pleon oxi mono ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla kai allwn kommatwn. Kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, opws sas eipa, yparxoyn mhxanismoi poy leitoyrgoyn ligotero h perissotero kala ki ekei ginontai laqh. Qa meinw se ayto poy eipwqhke apo thn armodia dieyqynsh, oti prokeitai peri texnikoy laqoys gia th dhmosiopoihsh apofashs poy den eixe kan syzhthqei.

BLAXOS: Pantws, emena moy ekane entypwsh h arxh ths apanthshs sas poy sas rwtw an yparxei diaylos symferontwn me thn E.E. kai lete ``den to gnwrizw''. Ayto shmainei kata th dhmosiografikh kai politikh praktikh oti to afhnete anoikto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate na sas pw an kapoioi stis Bryjelles epikoinwnoyn me kapoioys sthn Aqhna. Den to gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Sas rwtw na moy peite an sas briskei symfwno h diarroh apo kybernhtikes phges oti yparxei aytos o diaylos gia th xqesinh diarroh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, sxoliazw mono epishmes dhlwseis. Diarroh thn opoia anaferete eseis den qa sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno, estw kai mellontika, na tropopoihsei to ellhniko Syntagma, prokeimenoy na ginei symbato me toys periorismoys twn atomikwn eleyqeriwn se eyrwpaiko epipedo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia periorismoys atomikwn eleyqeriwn oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Ennow gia tis parakoloyqhseis thlefwnwn k.lp. Ola ayta den einai periorismoi atomikwn eleyqeriwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, alla se ayto to shmeio qelw na kalwsorisw ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa, ton opoio kai eyxaristw idiaitera poy brisketai shmera edw gia na apanthsei se erwthseis, sxetika me to wrario twn katasthmatwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Ennow oti parakoloyqhseis kai ola ayta periorismos twn atomikwn eleyqeriwn einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ofeiloyme oloi na sebastoyme thn anqrwpinh zwh. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws -to eipa kai xqes, to exw pei kai alles fores- ena tromokratiko plhgma enantion enos kratoys-meloys einai ena plhgma enantion olwn twn kratwn-melwn. Kai ws tetoio prepei na to antimetwpizei kaqenas. Prepei, loipon, sebomenoi thn anqrwpinh zwh na laboyme ta katallhla metra. Ean ta katallhla metra exoyn hdh lhfqei, den xreiazontai perissotera. Ayto einai kati poy syzhtaei h Epitroph twn empeirognwmonwn poy sas eipa prohgoymenws. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, sas eipa kai xqes oti exoyme labei, sto prosfato parelqon sth xwra mas me aformh toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, seira kapoiwn metrwn ta opoia den ypotimoyn se kamia periptwsh to syntagmatiko dikaiwma -ayth thn eleyqeria poy exei o kaqe Ellhnas poliths- me th symfwnh gnwmh ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Den allazei se tipote ayto poy egine perysi h ginetai fetos kai fantazomai oti qa ginei kai toy xronoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Twra apla epixeirhmatologhsate kai dwsate th dikaiologhsh gia ton periorismo aytwn twn eleyqeriwn. Den to arnhqhkate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai. An kapoios qewreite oti prepei na einai eleyqeros na skotwnei stoys dromoys, qa prepei ontws na perioristei.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, qelw na pairnw thlefwno, xwris na me parakoloyqoyn kai xwris na yparxei h synomilia moy se ena arxeio gia ena xrono.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Syntagma mas sas problepei kai oles aytes tis periptwseis poy anaferate. Oloi sebomaste to Syntagma mas.

BLAXOS: Kai poios qa to krinei, k. Ekproswpe, mesa apo mia thlefwnikh synomilia oti einai etoimos na skotwsei sth mesh toy dromoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh ftasei sto apotelesma. Exete ftasei se mia apofash poy den exei lhfqei kai lete kai poios qa to krinei.

BLAXOS: Ma exei lhfqei omofwna h apofash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh proxwrhsei tria stadia parakatw apo ekei poy briskomaste shmera.

BLAXOS: Ma exei lhfqei hdh omofwna h apofash.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma kai h dikh moy erwthsh parakatw phgaine. Legame mellontika an qa xreiastei h an qa teqei tetoio zhthma prosarmoghs toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos; Ayto rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Boylgarakhs xqes eipe oti h apofash-plaisio toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn, h opoia elhfqh omofwna, exei problhmata prosarmoghs sthn Ellada. O k. Paylopoylos shmera, ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, eipe oti den xreiazetai nea nomoqetikh ryqmish gia na efarmostei h apofash-plaisio toy Symboylioy twn Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn Ypoqesewn. Qelw, loipon, na qesw se sas to erwthma: Sxediazei h kybernhsh nea nomoqetikh ryqmish gia na efarmosei thn apofash-plaisio toy Symboylioy poy etsi kai alliws qa aposafhnistei mexri ton Oktwbrio h qewrei oti to yparxon nomoqetiko plaisio einai eparkes gia na prostateysei kai ta atomika dikaiwmata, alla kai na efarmosei thn apofash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsate treis fores peri apofashs-plaisio. Sas apanthsa apo thn arxh ayths ths enhmerwshs oti exoyme na kanoyme me mia dhlwsh twn 25. Epishs sas eipa oti h apofash poy elhfqh einai na sygkrothqei mia Epitroph empeirognwmonwn h polles Epitropes empeirognwmonwn twn armodiwn ypoyrgeiwn ana xwra, prokeimenoy na ereynhsoyn qemata peri thn tromokratia. H tromokratia, opws gnwrizete, exei ejelixqei tis teleytaies dekaeties. Diaforetikh tromokratia eixame sth dekaetia toy 1960 h toy 1970, diaforetikh sth dekaetia toy 1980 h toy 1990, diaforetikh tromokratia sth dekaetia poy dianyoyme twra. Oi xwres, loipon, prosarmozoyn ta systhmata toys etsi wste na antimetwpizoyn zhthmata tromokratias yper ths zwhs kai ths eleyqerias kai twn dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Ayto einai mia poly aplh diatypwsh, poly safhs, poly kaqarh.

BLAXOS: Se ayto entassetai kai thn politikh Mpler se diafora merh toy planhth, dhladh apotelei tromokratia kata th dikh sas apoch h politikh Mpler sto Irak;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai ekproswpos toy k. Mpler.

BLAXOS: Oxi, symfwna me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, giati sas blepw apo xqes kai fobaste na qijete ton k. Mpler. Entajei den einai kai tipota o k. Mpler, den qa mas kocei kai to misqo. Alla, telos pantwn, edw otan oi idioi oi Bretanoi lene oti perimenoyme ktyphma, h ellhnikh kybernhsh sthn Aqhna arneitai na ekdwsei tajidiwtikh odhgia gia toys Ellhnes polites, enw an eixe ayto symbei sthn Ellada na eiste apolyta sigoyros oti o k. Mpler qa eixe trejei apo toys prwtoys na ekdwsei analogh tajidiwtikh odhgia gia toys Bretanoys toyristes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Den apokthsate qarros shmera.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai. Epeidh, opws katalabainete, oti h diastash kai telos pantwn h diaforetikh proseggish, gia na eimai pio akribhs, einai diaforetikh h proseggish poy kanei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs sto qema, eite dhlwsh koinh qelete na thn peite, eite apofash-plaisio ayto einai allh ypoqesh kai diaforetikh h proseggish poy kanei o Ypoyrgos twn Eswterikwn kai diakekrimenos syntagmatologos. Qelw mia apanthsh gia to an etoimazetai h oxi h kybernhsh na dhmioyrghsei neo nomoqetiko plaisio h qewrei oti to yparxon einai eparkes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, eimai poly feidwlos sto na kanw sxolia tetoioy eidoys, diastayrwmenwn dhlwsewn metajy Ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs, poly perissotero poy se orismenes periptwseis sto parelqon -ki eseis proswpika yphrjate martyras erwthshs poy egine se ayth thn aiqoysa apo allo synadelfo- opoy meteferqh teleiws diaforetika mia dhlwsh apo ayto poy pragmatika eipwqhke. Sas eipa apo thn arxh poio einai to sxolio gia tis syntagmatikes eleyqeries se ayto ton topo.

KAKALHS: Den apanthsate, omws, an yparxei qema prosarmoghs.

BITALHS: Egw qa hqela na epanelqw, dioti yparxoyn dyo zhthmata: To prwto zhthma, orqws anaferate oti prokeitai gia mia dhlwsh twn 25. H dhlwsh ayth exei politikh barythta kai to jerete poly kala, k. Ekproswpe, kai epishs yparxei epishmansh oti ta metra ayta, ta opoia metra qa arxisoyn na efarmozontai stadiaka mexri nomizw to telos toy xronoy. Yparxei ena zhthma edw poy afora thn arxeioqethsh twn thlepikoinwniwn, twn klhsewn k.lp. Ayto me bash to ellhniko qesmiko plaisio apagoreyetai. To ena einai ayto, ti qa ginei; Kai to syntagmatiko plaisio, ti qa ginei; Apo th stigmh pleon poy yparxei eilhmmenh politikh apofash. Einai eilhmmenh apofash. Ayto htan kai to nohma ths synanthshs twn 25 xqes. Kai deyteron, mia dieykrinish: Epeidh apo thn eyrwpaikh symbash yparxoyn perioxes ejairesewn se ayta ta zhthmata kai kyriws gia poinika qemata k.lp., ean einai symbath h dikh mas nomoqesia sto epipedo twn ejairesewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H deyterh erwthsh poy moy qesate einai poly ejeidikeymenh gia na sas apanthsw twra. Sthn prwth erwthsh sas qewrw oti exw hdh apanthsei se diaforetikes diatypwseis.

BLAXOS: Epeidh qa mas lete ayrio pali oti den metaferame swsta tis apoceis sas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas to eipa pote ayto, k. Blaxo;

BLAXOS: Prohgoymenws den to eipate sthn k. Spyrakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia erwthseis poy exoyn ginei ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy.

BLAXOS: Gia thn kybernhsh yparxei anoixto to endexomeno allaghs toy nomoqetikoy kai syntagmatikoy plaisioy, wste na epitrapei h parakoloyqhsh twn thlefwnwn kai na yparxei eyqygrammish ths xwras mas me ton k. Mpler;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, den kanete diaforetikh erwthsh apo aytes poy moy qesate kai xqes kai shmera kai exete apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Nai, thn apanthsh den blepw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syntagmatika katoxyrwmenwn dikaiwmatwn peri ths anejarthths leitoyrgias, ths anejarthths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn sas ta exw pei. Diaforetika diatypwmenh erwthsh moy ypobalete. Den moy ypobalete diaforetikh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Xqes, eipate oti o kosmos apodexetai to wrario. Shmera, eixame ena barometro sto SKAI poy deixnei oti h pleiochfia toy kosmoy den apodexetai aytes tis metarryqmiseis sto qema toy wrarioy. Mhpws kata prosdokia ermhneyetai tis opoies dhmoskophseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se emena qetete ayto to erwthma k. Siderh; Arnoymai epi pente xronia na sxoliasw dhmoskophseis kai elaxistes fores exw parekklinei apo ayto.

SIDERHS: Otan sas ejyphretoyn, omws.

BLAXOS: Otan sas boleyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa tis proalles oti exoyme mia seira dhmoskophsewn poy dinoyn sthn kybernhsh th dynatothta na exei mia akoma eikona, ektos twn allwn, gia tis apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei. Den einai apofaseis epi th basei dhmoskophsewn, einai apofaseis epi th basei pws leitoyrgei h agora se alles eyrwpaikes xwres kai pws qa leitoyrgei h agora kalytera. Ayto den xreiazetai na mas to pei mia dhmoskophsh. Einai bebaio oti oi dhmoskophseis, ws ergaleia doyleias, dinoyn th xronikh stigmh poy diejagontai, thn apotypwsh aytoy poy symbainei sthn koinwnia ekeinh th stigmh. Einai profanes oti h emplokh twn dyo qematwn, wrarioy katasthmatwn me dieyqethsh xronoy ergasias exei dhmioyrghsei kapoioy eidoys sygxysh se orismenoys apo toys polites, oi opoioi mporei na apantoyn gia kaqe qema. Ayto, omws, einai dikh moy ektimhsh. Se kaqe periptwsh, oysia gia to qema exei h politikh apofash poy elhfqh katopin meletwn se olh thn ypoloiph E.E. oi opoies analyqhkan apo empeirognwmones toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs sthn Ellada. Etsi, me poly sobarothta kai strathgiko sxedio mhnwn elhfqh h apofash na proxwrhsoyme stis allages sto wrario. Ayto poy ryqmizei to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs einai oti synebaine mexri twra na mhn symbainei pleon. Mexri twra eixame poinikopoihsh, se orismenes periptwseis, toy dikaiwmatos sthn ergasia. Otan kapoioi apofasizan anwqen na kleinoyn ta katasthmata gia oloklhres hmeres h gia polles wres, periorizan to dikaiwma sthn ergasia. O kaqe epixeirhmatias, o kaqe epaggelmatias, o kaqe mikromesaios einai eleyqeros na leitoyrghsei entos toy plaisioy to opoio orizei h shmerinh kybernhsh me to nomosxedio poy exei ferei sth Boylh.

GKOYTZANHS: To ergasiako pote qa katateqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa anakoinwqei.

Einai konta mas o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas, o opoios qa dexqei ta erwthmata sas.

Qelw na eyxaristhsw toys politikoys syntaktes poy zhthsan na einai konta toys o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs. Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na apanthsw se opoia erwthmata moy qesete. Eyxaristw poly ton Ypoyrgo Epikrateias k. Roysopoylo poy diadexomai sto bhma. Elpizw na ta kataferw ejisoy kala oso ekeinos.

BLAXOS: To wrario qa apeleyqerwqei kai sta nyxterina magazia;

SIOYFAS: Den jerw giati exete ennoia gi` ayto to qema@

BLAXOS: Qa mporei ena nyxterino magazi na ergazetai olh thn hmera kai olo to brady; Paradeigma sth Mykono.

SIOYFAS: To nomoqethma toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs anaferetai sth leitoyrgia twn emporikwn katasthmatwn kai twn katasthmatwn trofimwn kai tipote allo.

SPYRAKH: Syzhta h kybernhsh to endexomeno na mikrynei thn protash ths gia th diarkeia toy wrarioy to Sabbato, mprosta stis antidraseis twn emporwn; Qelw na qymisw sthn aiqoysa oti oi emporoi zhtoyn to wrario na parameinei to Sabbato ws tis 18:00 kai oxi ws tis 20:00 poy einai h kybernhtikh protash. Kai xqes o k. Meimarakhs emfanisthke anoixtos sth syzhthsh mias tetoias protashs.

SIOYFAS: Oles oi allages poy perilambanei to sxedio nomoy poy syzhteitai hdh se trith synedriash sth diarkh epitroph paragwghs kai emporioy anaferontai se ryqmiseis me tis opoies dinoyme sto emporio mia nea dynamikh. Parembaseis me metra kai draseis oi opoies qa odhghsoyn to emporio ths xwras mas se mia nea epoxh. Ena apo ta dekatessera qemata poy ryqmizei to sxetiko sxedio nomoy einai kai to wrario twn emporikwn katasthmatwn.

Ofeilw omws gia thn enhmerwsh sas na sas pw oti qigontai zhthmata poy apoteloyn kombikh diarqrwtikh allagh gia th xwra, gia thn oikonomia, gia to emporio. Isws h shmantikoterh poy egine ta teleytaia 15 xronia. Antimetwpizontai problhmata ta opoia ekkremoysan edw kai dekaeties kai nomizw oti ofeilw ws o eishgoymenos Ypoyrgos, mazi me to synadelfo moy k. Papaqanasioy, na sas kanw koinwnoys aytwn twn parembasewn kai giati dinetai sto emporio mia nea dynamikh. Parembaseis: To emporio apokta me th nea diakybernhsh nees dynatothtes xrhmatodothshs toy apo to trito Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs.

Oloklhrwqhke hdh h ypobolh aithsewn gia eksygxronismo twn mikromesaiwn emporikwn epixeirhsewn ycoys 200 ekatommyriwn eyrw. To epomeno dekahmero dinetai sth dhmosiothta neo programma sthrijhs twn epaggelmatwn, oxi aytwn poy einai kaqara emporika katasthmata kai epixeirhseis, alla mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn kai yphresiwn kai olwn twn allwn epaggelmatwn me alla 200 ekatommyria eyrw. Exoyn lhfqei mia seira apo nomoqetika metra, opws h meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn stis A.E. kai tis EPE kata 10 posostiaies monades se programma trietias kai kata 5 ekatostiaies monades gia tis loipes morfes epixeirhsewn. Perilambanontai ston anaptyjiako nomo sygkekrimenes draseis xrhmatodothshs kai toy emporioy, to de Programma Antagwnistikothtas exei ayjhsei sto 55% th xrhmatodothsh twn epixeirhmatikwn sxediwn kai toy emporioy. Se oti afora gia kapoies mikromesaies epixeirhseis, h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, den eixe kanei xrhsh apo to 2000, ths dynatothtas poy dinei o Perifereiakos Xarths Enisxysewn gia sthrijh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn me 15 ekatostiaies monades epipleon. Ayth einai h diarqrwtikh allagh h opoia leei se oti afora to wrario oti ta emporika katasthmata kai ta katasthmata trofimwn mporoyn na einai anoixta tis kaqhmerines mexri tis 21:00. Edw dinoyme lysh se aithma oloy toy emporikoy kosmoy ths xwras kai twn Epimelhthriwn poy zhtoysan, to xeimerino kai to kalokairino wrario twn emporikwn katasthmatwn kai twn katasthmatwn trofimwn, na einai eniaio mexri tis 21:00. H protash ths kybernhshs, h opoia den qa allajei, giati th sthrizei h pleiochfia ths koinwnias kai h pleiochfia ths Boylhs, einai ta emporika katasthmata kai ta katasthmata trofimwn na einai anoixta to Sabbato mexri tis 20:00. To wrario den einai ypoxrewtiko. Dyo einai oi kombikes allages poy ginontai se ayto to qema. O Nomarxhs den mporei na balei mikrotero wrario me dikh toy apofash. Ti synebaine mexri shmera; Oi emporikoi syllogoi apofasizan se ena nomo, se mia polh, na leitoyrgoyn ta emporika katasthmata kai ta katasthmata trofimwn p.x. mexri tis 20:00. An ena katasthma stis 20:15 htan anoixto, giati thn apofash toy emporikoy syllogoy thn enekrine o Nomarxhs, etimwreito me prostimo kai me mhnysh ston eisaggelea. Twra leme: Eqniko plaisio gia olh th xwra mexri tis 21:00 tis kaqhmerines kai mexri tis 20:00 to Sabbato. An h topikoi emporikoi syllogoi peisoyn ta melh toys na exoyn diaforetiko wrario, mporoyn na to kanoyn. Opoios omws qelei na einai anoixtos mexri tis 21:00 tis kaqhmerines kai mexri tis 20:00 to Sabbato, pantote milame gia emporika katasthmata kai katasthmata trofimwn, mporei na einai anoixtos kai na mhn timwreitai. Na mhn timwreitai dhladh to dikaiwma pros ergasia. Mporoyn oi Nomarxes an epiqymoyn na dieyrynoyn perissotero to wrario apo tis 21:00, analoga me tis topikes synqhkes, ta aithmata ths topikhs koinwnias kai twn epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn sthn perioxh. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Gia na kleinei kapoios prin apo tis 21:00 prepei na exei apofash toy emporikoy syllogoy ths perioxhs h apo monos toy;

SIOYFAS: Den xreiazetai kamia apofash. An oi emporikoi syllogoi peisoyn ta melh toys na exoyn diaforetiko wrario, qa einai ekeinoi oi opoioi qa exoyn thn eyqynh, gia na peisoyn ta melh kai oxi h Politeia na einai apo panw me th mhnysh kai to prostimo, gia na kleinoyn ta katasthmata nwritera apo to Eqniko Plaisio. Ayto symbainei se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres kai shmeiwste parakalw, oti se olh thn Eyrwph, den yparxei xwra poy na exei mikrotero twn 76 wrwn wrario leitoyrgias twn emporikwn katasthmatwn, mhde ejairoymenhs kai ths Kyriakhs. Qema Kyriakhs, den eqese h kybernhsh kai den tiqetai.

Deyteron, me th nomoqesia ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs ta polykatasthmata kai ta super markets einai anoixta 69-71 wres thn ebdomada. Ta emporika katasthmata leitoyrgoyn me ta wraria poy oi kata topoys Nomarxes exoyn egkrinei ystera apo protaseis twn emporikwn syllogwn kai einai anoixta 42-48 wres. Mia xwra poy ypodexetai 15 ekatommyria toyristes, den toys qelei edw mono gia ton hlio kai gia th qalassa, mia xwra poy to wrario twn emporikwn katasthmatwn, twn 42-48 wrwn, sympiptei me to idio wrario twn ergazomenwn sto dhmosio kai ton idiwtiko tomea, den exei en dynamei pelates kai toys ergazomenoys kai poly perissotero den exei to toyristiko reyma twn 15 ekatommyriwn episkeptwn sth xwra mas.

Emeis dinoyme nees eykairies kai nees dynatothtes kai to sxhma sto opoio leitoyrgoyme einai oti labame ypoch tis anagkes toy idioy toy emporioy, opws tis staqmise h kybernhsh me thn prooptikh, oi ergazomenoi sta emporika katasthmata na exoyn perissotero eisodhma. OI anergoi na exoyn perissoteres eykairies gia na broyn doyleia. Oi katanalwtes na exoyn perissoteres eykairies agorwn kai oi emporoi na exoyn perissoterh agorastikh kinhsh. Bazoyme plaisio, den einai ypoxrewtiko, alla ekeinos o opoios epiqymei na leitoyrgei entos toy Eqnikoy Plaisioy toy wrarioy, qa mporei na to kanei. H xwra exei 54 diaforetika wraria leitoyrgias twn emporikwn katasthmatwn kai mesa se kaqe nomo yparxoyn apo 3 ews 8 diaforetika wraria. Ayto kanei poly dyskolh th doyleia twn Epiqewrhsewn Ergasias, oti threitai h 40wrh apasxolhsh twn ergazomenwn. Yparxei mia ``mpaklabadopoihsh'' toy tropoy me ton opoio einai domhmeno to wrario, ayto den to antexei mia sobarh kai eyrwpaikh xwra.

Kai epishs, qelw na sas shmeiwsw oti, osoi einai eyxaristhmenoi apo to telma poy yparxei mexri shmera, na bgoyn eyqews kai na to poyn. Emeis epixeiroyme ayth th diarqrwtikh allagh kai pisteyoyme oti qa dwsoyme nees eykairies kai dynatothtes kai sto emporio kai ston paragwgiko isto ths xwras.

SIDERHS: Yparxoyn aitiaseis kai aitiologhseis oti, opoy efarmosthke, ekane kako stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis. Exete antiqeta stoixeia;

SIOYFAS: Den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta ayta ta opoia legontai. H pleyra ths Genikhs Synomospondias Epaggelmatobiotexnwn kai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs epikaloyntai stoixeia apo th Germania. Den qa anaferqw sto gegonos oti ekei yparxei mia sosialistikh kybernhsh h sthn idiomorfia twn synqhkwn poy yparxoyn sth Germania ejaitias ths enopoihshs, h opoia den exei katorqwsei akomh na aporrofhsei tis koinwnikes kai oikonomikes katastaseis poy dhmioyrghqhkan apo thn enopoihsh twn dyo Germaniwn. Allwste, se dyo mhnes, gia ola ayta ta zhthmata, qa apofasisei o germanikos laos. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero. Opoy efarmozetai dieyrymeno wrario, gia na yparjei kai mia allh apanthsh, oti miloyme gia apeleyqerwsh wrarioy, h opoia einai kai atyxhs, alla einai kai enas aforismos poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Miloyme gia dieyrynsh toy wrarioy kai oxi gia apeleyqerwsh toy wrarioy. Apeleyqerwsh wrarioy, to exei pei polles fores h kybernhsh, to leei kai o apeyqynomenos pros esas, shmainei asydosia. H kybernhsh kai o apeyqynomenos pros esas einai enantia pros kaqe morfh asydosias.

TSIODRAS: Oi emporoi oi opoioi katalabainoyn kalytera apo ton kaqena to symferon toys, den qa eprepe na panhgyrizoyn gi@ ayth th dieyrynsh; Einai dynaton o emporos na mhn katalabainei poio einai to diko toy symferon;

SIOYFAS: Yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis gi` ayto to qema. Para polloi emporikoi syllogoi einai fanatika yper toy dieyrymenoy wrarioy, alloi kratoyn epifylajeis kai alloi einai arnhtikoi. Alla moy dinete thn eykairia na sas pw toyto: Mia kybernhsh den einai kybernhsh kaqe koinwnikhs omadas. Mia kybernhsh synqetei apoceis kai sas anefera prin -kai ayto einai to xreos kaqe kybernhshs- na synqetei. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, ta symferonta twn idiwn twn ergazomenwn sto emporio. Deyteron, twn anergwn poy perimenoyn na broyn nees eykairies gia doyleia. Twn idiwn twn emporwn kai twn ekatommyriwn twn katanalwtwn poy ofeilei mia kybernhsh na toys dinei th dynatothta kai to plaisio na exoyn perissoteres eykairies gia agores.

SOYGLERHS: H kybernhsh kathgoreitai kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Papaqanasioy apo toys emporikoys syllogoys ths eparxias oti aytes oi allages poy kanete hdh eixan proapofasistei kai meta toys kalesate na kaqisoyn se trapezi dialogoy kai kyriws einai teleiws diaforetikes oi synqhkes ergasias stoys eparxiakoys emporikoys syllogoys me aytes twn megalwn polewn, eidika ths Aqhnas, Qessalonikhs k.lp.

SIOYFAS: Kanoyme ektetameno dialogo edw kai eji mhnes me ta Epimelhthria, toys Syllogoys kai tis organwseis katanalwtwn. Xqes de sth Boylh oles oi organwseis katanalwtwn htan qetikotates ws pros th dieyrynsh toy wrarioy. Yparxoyn proseggiseis apo thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, yparxoyn proseggiseis apo thn Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh. H kybernhsh ofeilei na synqetei oles aytes tis apoceis kai to kanei me ton pleon epityxh tropo.

POYLIDOY: Eseis anaferqhkate sto germaniko montelo.

SIOYFAS: Den anaferqhka egw. Ekeinoi poy to epikaloyntai.

POYLIDOY: Ekeinoi poy to epikaloyntai, loipon. Akoysa kai gia to montelo ths Danias, poy einai mias kybernhshs pio filikhs pros esas, mia poy kommatikopoihsate to erwthma. O sygkekrimenos elege oti se aytes tis xwres doqhkan antistaqmistika ofelh stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis.

SIOYFAS: Sas anefera orismena apo ayta. Thn erxomenh ebdomada, sthn Eqnikh Antiproswpeia, h kybernhsh qa ferei neo sxedio peraiterw sthrijhs toy emporioy.

POYLIDOY: Eipate oti to apeleyqerwmeno wrario odhgei sthn asydosia. H dynatothta poy parexete stoys Nomarxes, xwris na dwsete kapoio plafon, ap` o,ti katalabainw, den mporei na odhghsei sto idio apotelesma;

SIOYFAS: Xairomai gia thn erwthsh sas, giati oso ekeinoi poy yposthrizoyn ayth thn apoch gia toys Nomarxes toy exoyn empistosynh na meiwnei to wrario, opws ginotan shmera, prepei na toy exoyn thn idia empistosynh kai gia thn dieyrynsh toy wrarioy. Allwste, oi Nomarxes einai airetoi, opws einai kai h kybernhsh, dioti ta telika apotelesmata twn opoiwn politikwn h twn opoiwn ryqmisewn -milw gia mia shmantikh metarryqmish sto xwro toy emporioy- sto telos ta krinoyn oi polites kaqhmerina kai kaqe tessera xronia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ejetazete na epitrapei kai h leitoyrgia twn soyper market opws se alles eyrwpaikes prwteyoyses;

SIOYFAS: Den ejetazoyme tipote perissotero apo ayto poy periexei to nomoqethma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti qa ayjhqei to eisodhma twn ergazomenwn. Apo poy qa ayjhqei to eisodhma; Qa paroyn yperwries oi ergazomenoi ean qelhsoyn na doylecoyn tis epipleon aytes wres oi idioi;

SIOYFAS: Ean qelhsoyn na doylecoyn oi idioi aytes tis epipleon wres, einai ena stoixeio poy qa toys ayjhsei to eisodhma.

GKOYTZANHS: Pws qa ayjhqoyn oi qeseis ergasias; Giati mexri stigmhs to mono bebaio einai oti qa epiblhqoyn pio sklhres synqhkes antagwnismoy kai merikes xiliades h ekatontades mikromesaiwn qa kleisoyn. Qeseis ergasias apo poy qa prokycoyn;

SIOYFAS: Oi qeseis ergasias qa prokycoyn apo tis perissoteres doyleies, tis opoies -opws pisteyei h kybernhsh- qa exoyn kyriws oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, ayto poy empodize toys Ellhnes na cwnizoyn htan to wrario twn katasthmatwn kai twra poy dieyrynetai qa trejoyn na kanoyn agores;

SIOYFAS: Gia thn kybernhsh htan mia apo tis shmantikoteres aities, logw ayths ths anarxhs katastashs poy epikratei sth xwra. Anarxh, kyriolektika anarxh katastash.

SOYRMELIDHS: Oi ryqmiseis gia to wrario se syndyasmo me tis ryqmiseis gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis einai mia nea katastash gia toys ergazomenoys. Ti syzhtate sthn kybernhsh; Pws ejasfalizetai oti aytos poy plhrwnetai gia oktw wres qa doyleyei oktw wres; An doyleyei tetrawro, qa plhrwnetai gia tetrawro; Ti metra syzhthsate gia na ginei ayto praktika;

SIOYFAS: Zoyme se mia syntagmatika organwmenh Politeia, yparxoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys, yparxoyn ta organa ta opoia elegxoyn, toylaxiston ston tomea eyqynhs moy kai pisteyw oti to idio symbainei kai ston tomea toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs. Oi elegxoi einai aysthroi, einai adialeiptoi kai ginontai pros kaqe kateyqynsh. Epishs, prepei na sas epishmanw oti edw kai dekaeties ekeinoi oi opoioi ypepiptan se parabaseis, se o,ti afora ta zhthmata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs den dinontan pote onomata sth dhmosiothta. Apo persi to kalokairi, opws gnwrizete, enhmerwsa ton epixeirhmatiko kosmo ths xwras oti gia treis mhnes qa dinw mono ariqmoys gia ekeinoys poy qa ypopiptoyn se parabiaseis twn nomwn.

Gia paradeigma, oktw prathria elegxqhkan kai breqhkan na exoyn noqeymena kaysima. Qa dinw mono ariqmoys prathriwn. Meta thn pareleysh toy trimhnoy qa dinw ta onomata twn prathriwn h opoydhpote alloy symbainei, opws sta ploia -opws eidate proxqes- ta opoia den efarmozoyn th sxetikh agoranomikh diatajh gia to ti prepei na prosferoyn ypoxrewtika kai se poies times, logw toy oti einai mia monopwliakh katastash, stis metakinhseis twn epibatwn. Qa dinontai ta onomata twn epixeirhsewn, sta men prathria benzinhs to onoma ths epixeirhshs, alla kai ths etaireias sthn opoia anhkei. Epishs, opoydhpote alloy ginontai elegxoi qa dinontai ta onomatepwnyma ekeinwn poy parabiazoyn to nomo kaqws kai to ycos twn prostimwn. Ayto einai to prwto. Gnwrizete oti edw kai oktw mhnes ayto einai mia pragmatikothta. To deytero: Yphrxe ena problhma, logw twn endikwn meswn poy ajiopoioysan oi epixeirhseis kai ta prostima kataballontan meta apo tria ews pente xronia. Exw kanei mia allagh, se o,ti afora to xwro twn kaysimwn: Gia na ginei pleon opoiadhpote prosfygh kai na mhn eispraxqei me ton Kwdika Dhmosiwn Esodwn, prepei na prokataballetai to 20% twn prostimwn. Kai sta prostima, pleon, armodiothtas toy Tomea Emporioy yparxei idia diatajh, basei ths opoias gia na askhqei opoiadhpote prosfygh, prepei na prokataballetai toylaxiston to 20% toy prostimoy. Lambanoyme ola ta metra gia na ginontai oi elegxoi, gia na einai antikeimenikoi, dikaioi kai pros kaqe kateyqynsh. Epishs, h Epitroph Antagwnismoy, opws gnwrizete, prin apo mia ebdomada epebale se soyper market sklhrotata prostima, ycoys 18 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Yparxei kai mia deyterh pleyra: To epapeiloymeno prostimo gia ta idia soyper market einai 30 ekat. eyrw, se periptwsh poy epanalaboyn ayth th diadikasia sthn opoia ypepesan kai parebhsan toys kanones antagwnismoy h epixeirhsoyn na metaferoyn sthn katanalwsh toy ycoys toy prostimoy.

Shmera, stis 11:30, chfisthke sto synolo toy to neo nomosxedio gia th leitoyrgia toy antagwnismoy sthn patrida mas. Exei mia pragmatika anejarthth kai akhdemoneyth Arxh apo ton Ypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh. Ap` o,ti mas egnwrise h E.E. to nomoqethma ayto qewreitai pleon ws ena apo ta kalytera nomoqethmata peri antagwnismoy se oloklhrh thn Eyrwph. Etsi leitoyrgoyme, giati shmeio anaforas mas -kai ayth allwste einai h odhgia toy Prwqypoyrgoy- einai o poliths ayths ths xwras.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw to synolo twn ependysewn toy Ypoyrgeioy sas poioys tomeis afora.

SIOYFAS: Sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs katatiqentai eidika ependytika sxedia. Qa sas dwsw analytika stoixeia: Ependytika sxedia poy ypoballontai sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn synolo 249. Aforoyn ependyseis ycoys 581 ekatommyria eyrw, apo ta opoia h aitoymenh epixorhghsh anerxetai se 243,7 ekatommyria eyrw. Sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs exoyn ypoblhqei 7 eidika ependytika sxedia proypologismoy 18,4 ekatommyriwn eyrw kai 7 protaseis polyetwn oloklhrwmenwn epixeirhmatikwn sxediwn, proypologismoy 65,9 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Dhladh, synolo 84,3 ekat. eyrw gia ta 14 ependytika sxedia twn kathgoriwn poy sas anefera, apo ta opoia h aitoymenh epixorhghsh anerxetai se 32, 4 ekat. eyrw. Nomizw oti oydepote sto parelqon@

KOLIOPOYLOY: Egw rwthsa posa exoyn egkriqei; Poio einai to ycos;

SIOYFAS: Ejhnta dyo me ycos ependysewn 114,4 ek. eyrw me egkriqeisa epixorhghsh 50,5 ek. eyrw. Exw sth diaqesh moy aithma me hmeromhnia 28.9.04 apo th Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh Eyboias, poy ypografei o Nomarxhs Aqanasios Mpoyrantas kai apeyqynetai sto Ypoyrgeio Toyrismoy, zhtwntas oloklhros o Nomos Eyboias na xarakthristei ws toyristikh perioxh. Oi toyristikes perioxes exoyn wrario plhrws apeleyqerwmeno. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta. Thn epomenh ebdomada sth Boylh prokeitai na kataqesw mia seira sxetikwn aithmatwn gia na antikroysw ekeinoys oi opoioi lene, kyriws apo to komma ths antipoliteyshs kai na apanthsw sto erwthma poios zhthse thn diarqrwtikh allagh kai apekrypteto olo ayto to xroniko diasthma twn eji mhnwn, oti thn dieyrynsh toy wrarioy jekinhse to 2003, h tote kybernhsh gia makro xroniko diasthma me plhrh epixeirhmatologia, h opoia symbadizei apolytws me tis qeseis ths neas diakybernhshs, alla ekane pisw giati fobhqhke. Kateqesa sth Boylh, tis tote dhlwseis twn k.k. Xristodoylakh kai Tsoxatzopoyloy, gia thn anagkh poy exei o topos gia eniaio plaisio wrarioy leitoyrgias twn emporikwn katasthmatwn kai twn katasthmatwn trofimwn kai bebaiws perissoteres wres leitoyrgias.

Sas eyxaristoyme poly.


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