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Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-13

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Dekembrioy 2005

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia syzhthse kai elabe apofaseis sxetika me thn efarmogh neoy wrarioy ergasias sto steno dhmosio tomea, dhladh sto Dhmosio kai ta Nomika Proswpa Dhmosioy Dikaioy. Ep` aytoy, opws gnwrizete, eixan ginei anakoinwseis, prin apo ligo kairo.

O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokophs Paylopoylos ekane shmera th sxetikh eishghsh. H Kybernhtikh Epitroph apofasise thn efarmogh neoy wrarioy ergasias, me wra proseleyshs twn ergazomenwn apo tis 08.30-09.00 kai apoxwrhshs apo tis 16.00-16.30. Apo th ryqmish ayth ejairoyntai eidika wraria poy isxyoyn gia paradeigma sta nosokomeia h sta sxoleia. Den qigontai, fysika, eidika dikaiwmata. O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos qa synexisei tis syzhthseis poy diejagei me thn ADEDY gia to sygkekrimeno qema, prokeimenoy na ginoyn oi anagkaies diarqrwtikes allages. Gi` ayto, allwste, stoxos ths kybernhshs einai na arxisei h isxys ths neas ryqmishs apo thn 1/7/2006 h to argotero apo thn enarjh ths neas sxolikhs xronias to 2006.

Amesws meta, synedriase to KYSEA, epishs ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, to opoio proxwrhse sthn ylopoihsh ths apofashs poy elabe fetos to kalokairi gia thn promhqeia 30 newn aeroskafwn F-16 poy qa symballoyn apofasistika sthn amyntikh qwrakish ths xwras. O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Sphliwtopoylos kanei ayth th stigmh sxetikes anakoinwseis.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Exei dhmioyrghqei megalos qorybos apo ena reportaz toy BBC, to opoio anaferetai se 28 prosagwges ypoptwn, moysoylmanwn sto qrhskeyma, sthn Ellada kai sthn anakrish toys apo proswpa poy eferan koykoyles kai miloysan agglika. Qa hqela na moy peite ean alhqeyei h oxi to dhmosieyma prin proxwrhsw sthn epomenh erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei ginei kamia epishmh kataggelia aytoy toy eidoys.

SPYRAKH: H deyterh erwthsh moy einai oti peran ths anyparjias twn epishmwn kataggeliwn, yparxoyn dedomenes martyries kai toy proedroy twn Pakistanwn metanastwn sth xwra mas, o opoios leei oti astynomikoi eishlqan se spiti sta Petralwna kai proshgagan gia anakrish epta atoma. Einai se gnwsh sas ayto to peristatiko;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Den yparxei kamia tetoia epishmh kataggelia. Fantazomai oti opoios kanei kataggelies se MME qa prepei prwta na kanei tis antistoixes kataggelies kai ekei poy prepei na tis kanei.

SPYRAKH: To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs den exei se gnwsh toy an exoyn ginei h oxi tetoioy eidoys kinhseis apo thn pleyra ths Astynomias;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa hdh. Parakalw gia perissoteres leptomereies na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

SIDERHS: Oi arxes Asfaleias den exoyn anqrwpoys mesa stis tajeis aytwn twn metanastwn, wste na syllegoyn tetoies plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti ypainisseste.

SIDERHS: Ypainissomai oti oi dynameis asfaleias qa prepei na einai diarqrwmenes kai stis tajeis twn metanastwn, oytws wste na exoyn eswterikh plhroforhsh. Gia polloys logoys.

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia periergh antilhch ayth poy ekfrazete edw dhmosia.

SIDERHS: Kaqe sobaro kratos ayto qa ekane.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa hdh kai dieykrinizw oti oi ellhnikes arxes den exoyn kamia emplokh.

SIDERHS: Gia plhroforhsh k. Ekproswpe, oyte gia syllhceis, oyte gia dhmioyrgia allwn katastasewn.

ANTWNAROS: Moy metaferete to periexomeno mias ekpomphs, opws moy eipate, kai kataggelia sygkekrimenoy atomoy. Sas eipa, loipon, oti opoios exei na kanei kataggelies, prepei na tis kanei ekei poy prepei. Tetoies kataggelies@

SIDERHS: Rwthsa kati allo. An me dikes ths phges h EL.AS. exei diamorfwsei apoch, an yparxoyn ayta ta gegonota h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Ep` aytoy den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti oi ellhnikes arxes den exoyn kamia emplokh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw oti oi ellhnikes arxes den exoyn kamia epishmh kataggelia. Synepws, gia tis ellhnikes arxes@

BLAXOS: Eipate oti den exoyn kamia emplokh.

ANTWNAROS: Nai.

BLAXOS: Ara, shmainei oti gnwrizete oti kati egine, xwris na emplekontai ellhnikes arxes asfaleias..

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Egw den eipa ayto.

BLAXOS: Ayto eipate k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Me sygxwreite para poly. Gnwrizw para poly kala ti lew se ayth thn aiqoysa. Sas eipa oti oi ellhnikes arxes -kai egw omilw ej onomatos twn ellhnikwn arxwn, eimai ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs se ayth thn aiqoysa kai sas parakalw ayto na to qymaste synexeia- den exoyn kamia emplokh. Synepws, oi ellhnikes arxes, tis opoies egw ekproswpw se ayth thn aiqoysa, den exoyn gnwsh tetoiwn peristatikwn.

BLAXOS: Epeidh briskomaste sthn Ellada, qa prepei na rwthsoyme kapoion allon ekproswpo poy na ekproswpei tis bretanikes arxes dhladh, gia na mas pei ti exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ti ypainisseste. Sas eipa oti gia perissoteres plhrofories, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh apeyqynqhke sth bretanikh Presbeia gia na rwthsei ean yparxei tetoio qema;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh lambanei ypoch ths epishmes kataggelies.

MOYRTHS: H kataggelia stis eisaggelikes arxes einai epishmh kataggelia; Giati akoysa shmera ton proedro twn Pakistanwn sthn Ellada na leei oti pro peripoy dyo mhnwn ekane kataggelia sthn Eisaggelia Aqhnwn.

ANTWNAROS: Ean thn exei kanei, bebaiws einai epishmh kataggelia.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Egw den sas lew ti egine prin apo dyo mhnes. Edw bgainei ena megalo diktyo se dieqnes epipedo BBC, dhmosiografoi, einai 2.30 h wra meshmeri, h ellhnikh kybernhsh den rwthse kanena na pei ``paidia yparxei ayto to dhmosieyma, yparxei ayto to qema''; Einai epishmh kataggelia ayto poy kanei to BBC, ti einai;

ANTWNAROS: Epishmh kataggelia einai ayto poy kanei to BBC;

BLAXOS: Dhmosieyma kanonikotato einai.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia tis epishmes kataggelies poy mas lete, h anafora sthn Proedro ths Boylhs den einai epishmh kataggelia; Exei kataqesei hdh o k. Ragkoyzhs anafora sthn Proedro ths Boylhs. H kybernhsh, loipon, meta apo ayth thn kataqesh ths anaforas, den epidiwje na enhmerwqei gia to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Pote thn kateqese, sas eipe;

LEONTITSH: Shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Synepws, qa enhmerwqw ep` aytoy toy sygkekrimenoy poy moy lete kai qa sas plhroforhsw.

TSIODRAS: Anejarthta an exei ginei epishmh kataggelia h oxi, epeidh to qema einai poly sobaro, qa hqela na jerw pws to antimetwpizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Ti protiqetai dhladh na kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Se ti akribws anafereste;

TSIODRAS: Stis kataggelies oti proswpa apo to xwro twn metanastwn synelhfqhsan kai anakriqhkan epi ellhnikoy edafoys.

ANTWNAROS: Oi kataggelies, sas to lew gia mia akomh fora@

TSIODRAS: Qa elegjete tis diastaseis, qa deite ti exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: To kratos, h kybernhsh asxoleitai me kataggelies, oi opoies ginontai ekei opoy prepei na ginoyn. Den antilambanomai pws kapoios poy zei se aythn edw th xwra, ekproswpei mia sygkekrimenh omada, den paei na kanei thn kataggelia ekei poy prepei na thn kanei. Stis eisaggelikes arxes h sto astynomiko Tmhma.

TSIODRAS: Asxetws toytoy, asxetws an o sygkekrimenos ekane thn kataggelia h den thn ekane ekei poy eprepe na thn kanei, h ellhnikh kybernhsh lambanei sobara ypoch ths ta sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai ti protiqetai na kanei; Ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh lambanei ypoch ths ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia edrazontai se sygkekrimenes kai epishmes kataggelies.

TSIODRAS: Mono se epishmes kataggelies; Oi ellhnikes arxes, dhladh, den qa kinhqoyn na doyn ti pragmatika exei symbei se ayth thn istoria;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: To reportaz enos megaloy kai egkyroy eidhseografikoy praktoreioy, den einai epishmh kataggelia;

ANTWNAROS: Einai dhmosiografikh ereyna. Exei to diko toy baros, alla einai dhmosiografikh ereyna.

BLAXOS: Den sas dinei enaysma gia na diereynhsete to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw ws ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs edw. Den eimai analyths dhmosiografikwn dhmosieymatwn h antapokrisewn.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean ws Ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gnwrizete ean sthn Ellada ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn, htan gnwsto mexri protinos, klimakia ths bretanikhs astynomias kai an yparxoyn an exoyn kapoioy eidoys drasthriothta anaptyjei apo xqes poy synebh ayto to xtyphma sthn plateia Syntagmatos mexri shmera h to teleytaio diasthma aytwn twn teleytaiwn mhnwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio. Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn prohgoymenh aiqoysa pro mhnwn to qema apagwgwn, metanastwn, apo agnwsto an htan Ellhnes, Amerikanoi, Bretanoi ti htan, eixe syzhthqei kai yparxei mhnysh toy proedroy twn Pakistanwn metanastwn en Elladi. Den mporeite na mas lete oti den yparxei kataggelia. Yparxei mhnysh gia tis apagwges.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferomai se sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia, opws ferontai, perilambanontai se antapokrish toy BBC. Ean yparxei mhnysh, epishmh kataggelia, eimai bebaios oti oi arxes kanoyn thn ereyna poy problepetai na ginei. Oso ginetai mia ereyna, den prokeitai@

KYRITSHS: A! Ginetai tote ereyna, dhladh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na parakoloyqeite akribws osa lew.

KYRITSHS: Parakoloyqw. Ginetai h den ginetai ereyna;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti an exei katateqei kataggelia h mhnysh, eimai bebaios oti qa ginetai h problepomenh apo to nomo ereyna. Efoson h ereyna ginetai, den prokeitai na ginei kanena sxolio diarkoyshs ths ereynas.

BLAXOS-SPYRAKH: Ginetai h den ginetai ereyna;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Moy metaferei o k. Kyritshs oti exei katateqei mhnysh. Kai sas lew oti eimai bebaios oti ean exei ypoblhqei ayth h mhnysh sthn opoia anaferetai o k. Kyritshs, h ereyna asfalws qa ginetai.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw, ean epitrepetai apo thn ellhnikh nomoqesia na droyn sto ellhniko edafos diwktikes arxes allwn xwrwn kai na proxwroyn malista se anakriseis proswpwn poy briskontai sthn Ellada, eite me adeia paramonhs, eite kai paranomws.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy synagete eseis oti kati tetoio epitrepetai; Egw gnwrizw oti den epitrepetai tetoio pragma.

GALIATSATOS: Einai paranomo ayto, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw poio einai to kostos ths agoras twn 30 aeroskafwn kai an h apofash toy KYSEA perilambanei thn energopoihsh ths option gia prosqeta 10 mexri tis arxes, mesa Febroyarioy. Poio qa einai to prosqeto kostos gi` ayta ta 10, poio einai to kostos flight away; Poio einai to kostos toy paketoy to opoio anaferetai sto Letter of Acceptance.

ANTWNAROS: Qa synocisw osa eipe stoys synadelfoys sas pro oligoy o Ypoyrgos k. Sphliwtopoylos. Kat` arxas, h shmerinh apofash toy KYSEA den energopoiei thn option gia thn agora epipleon 10 aeroskafwn. Deyteron, h promhqeia toy sygkekrimenoy aeroskafoys qa symballei apofasistika sthn amyntikh qwrakish ths xwras mas kai qa ejasfalisei th diathrhsh sysxetismoy twn dynamewn sthn perioxh mas. H promhqeia twn en logw aeroskafwn, h opoia ginetai me diakratikh symfwnia poy ejasfalizei th diafaneia kata thn promhqeia, megala ofelh kai eynoikoteres times kthsews gia th xwra, exei synoliko kostos ycoys 1,1 disekatommyriwn eyrw, oson afora ta 30 aeroskafh. Anaferomai sygkekrimena sthn timh agoras apo to ergostasio enos etoimopolemoy aeroplanoy, th flight away timh, opws ayth einai dieqnws gnwsth. H promhqeia ayth poy ginetai se ylopoihsh apofashs poy eixe labei to KYSEA thn 19h Ioylioy 2005, synodeyetai apo ena plhres paketo yposthrijhs toy sygkekrimenoy ariqmoy aeroskafwn, ycoys 525 ekatommyriwn eyrw. H timh ayth, h flight away, antistoixei se 36,7 ekatommyria eyrw ana aeroskafos, enanti 41,4 ekatommyriwn eyrw ana aeroskafos poy htan h timh sthn opoia h prohgoymenh kybernhsh agorase 60 aeroskafh, timh bebaiws epikairopoihmenh kai me anagwges. To paketo yposthrijhs ycoys 525 ekatommyriwn eyrw poy sas anefera, kalyptei plhrws thn yposthrijh kai thn aytoprostasia. Epipleon kalyptei se megalo baqmo anagkes twn prohgoymenwn 60 aeroskafwn poy agorasthkan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai gia ta opoia den eixan frontisei tote oi kybernwntes na ejasfalisoyn se plhrh baqmo thn yposthrijh aytwn twn aeroskafwn me apotelesma na exoyn periorismenh epixeirhsiakh diaqesimothta. Etsi kalyptoyme me ayto ton tropo kai ena keno poy yparxei sth leitoyrgia twn prohgoymenwn aeroskafwn.

SIDERHS: Se poion proypologismo qa mpei ayth h agora;

ANTWNAROS: Ennoeite pws qa eggrafetai ayth h dapanh ston proypologismo;

SIDERHS: Bebaiws, giati ekei basisthke h apografh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, kanete laqos.

SIDERHS: Se poio proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa eggrafontai, opws eggrafontai pagiws ayta ta pragmata, dhladh me th meqodo ths plhrwmhs, kaqws qa plhrwnontai, stadiaka.

SIDERHS: Se poio proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei. Ta posa qa eggrafontai kata to xrono twn plhrwmwn.

SIDERHS: Etsi den to ekanan oi prohgoymenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na eiste kalytera plhroforhmenos gia to ti ekanan oi prohgoymenoi.

SIDERHS: Eteroxronisate sthn periodo ths paraggelias kai bghkan ta elleimmata terastia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa na plhroforhqeite kalytera ti ekanan oi prohgoymenoi.

SARANTAKOS: Mesa se ayto to kostos einai kai plhrws ejoplismena ayta ta aeroskafh; Dhladh, me 1,1 disekatommyria eyrw syn 500 ekatommyria qa einai kai plhrws ejoplismena ta aeroskafh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa exoyn o,ti xreiazetai gia na einai plhrws kai amesws diaqesima kai etoimopolema. Ayth einai h shmantikh eidopoios diafora.

SARANTAKOS: Qa katablhqei prokatabolh prin to telos toy etoys kai poio qa einai to ycos ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai eidiko qema, parakalw na apeyqynqeite@

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh exei ginei mia syzhthsh sxetikh gia ena poso 68 ekatommyriwn eyrw.

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na tonisw kati shmantiko poy eixa epishmanei kai prin apo meres se ayth thn aiqoysa: Oti akribws, epeidh h symfwnia ginetai egkairws, prin dhladh kleisei h grammh paragwghs toy sygkekrimenoy aeroskafoys, ejoikonomoyntai 118 ekatommyria dolaria, me ta opoia qa eixe epibarynqei to ellhniko Dhmosio an h paraggelia ginotan argotera. Giati qa eprepe diaforetika na energopoihqei h grammh paragwghs.

MPOTSARAKOS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete, gia na to katanohsoyme, poia einai h diafora toy tropoy poy eggrafontai oi dapanes gia toys ejoplismoys apo th shmerinh kybernhsh se sxesh me to pws eggrafontan me thn prohgoymenh.

ANTWNAROS: Me th shmerinh kybernhsh h eggrafh twn dapanwn ginetai se pragmatiko xrono. Otan plhrwnontai, eggrafontai ws baros, ws dapanh, ws ekroh pros ton proypologismo. Ayto de ginotan me thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Mas eipate amesws etoimopolema@

ANTWNAROS: Epixeirhsiaka diaqesima kai etoimopolema.

KYRITSHS: Ap` oti katalaba, den symperilambanei opla.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai symperilambanei opla. Symperilambanei kai ta systhmata aytoprostasias.

KYRITSHS: Milaw gia opla.

ANTWNAROS: Symperilambanei sto epipleon poso oti apaiteitai gia ena aeroskafos, wste na einai opws sas eipa, amesws kai plhrws epixeirhsiaka diaqesimo.

KYRITSHS: Gia na dieykrinisw. To 5,25 ek. eyrw exei mesa kai opla, mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KYRITSHS: Epishs mas eipate me epikairopoihsh kai anagwgh twn timwn. Qelete na moy to analysete; Poso o plhqwrismos, epi posa xronia;

ANTWNAROS: Einai para poly aplo. To 2000 egine h prohgoymenh paraggelia. Exoyn perasei pente xronia apo tote. Mporeite na balete toys plhqwrismoys na deite ti qa kostizan shmera. Allwste yparxei kai kati allo. Ta shmerina aeroskafh, ayta poy twra prokeitai na promhqeytei to ellhniko dhmosio, perilambanoyn kai systhmata, ta opoia den perilambanan ta aeroskafh tote. Einai mia makra seira systhmatwn, poy ta kanei perissotero ajiomaxa kai apotelesmatika. En pash periptwsei, einai aparaithto na ypologistoyn kai ola ayta sthn timh.

BLAXOS: Akoysame ton k. P. Panagiwtopoylo, na leei oti ecaxne na brei thlefwnika ton k. Emfietzogloy gia na toy ejhghsei ti akribws symbainei. O k. Emfietzogloy den bghke poyqena. Xqes, diarroh apo thn pleyra toy k. Emfietzogloy, elege oti emeis qa milhsoyme otan qa klhqoyme kai otan prepei. Sas rwtw, an h kybernhsh kalei ton k. Emfietzogloy, dhmosiws na dwsei ta stoixeia poy exei sth diaqesh toy kai basei twn opoiwn fhmwn kai diarrown dhmioyrghqhke ayto to problhma me ton k. Oikonomopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, dia toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy, proshlqe ston Eisaggelea kai kateqese osa stoixeia eixe. Apo kei kai pera h peraiterw ereyna einai antikeimeno ths eisaggelikhs Arxhs. Den exw na prosqesw ep` aytoy tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Den qa prepei o k. Emfietzogloy@

ANTWNAROS: To qema exei ejanlthqei.

BLAXOS: Den einai kako na kalesei ton k. Emfietzogloy na dwsei ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta.

TSIODRAS: O k. Oikonomopoylos, kanontas xqes kapoies dhlwseis, synedese thn olh ypoqesh me ton epikeimeno anasxhmatismo kai eipe oti prospaqoyn kapoioi na plhjoyn politika ton proistameno toy Ypoyrgo. Qa hqela na jerw, an symmerizeste ayth thn apoch, dhladh an exei politikh xroia h olh kataggelia kai an sxetizetai ontws me ton anasxhmatismo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia osa anaferei o k. Oikonomopoylos.

GALIATSATOS: Sxetika me to qema twn Pakistanwn. Mas lete oti den exei ginei kamia epishmh kataggelia. Ara h kybernhsh den asxoleitai.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei.

GALIATSATOS: Symfwna me to reportaz toy BBC, apeyqynqhkan sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews, to opoio dhlwse agnoia. Ayto to epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews, profanws leei ayto poy sas eipa, oti den yparxei kamia epishmh kataggelia. Synepws to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs den mporei na exei gnwsh peristatikwn, ta opoia kykloforoyn kai anaparagontai, endexomenws, sta MME.

GALIATSATOS: To erwthma einai: Asxoleitai h den asxoleitai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes o k. Panagiwtopoylos, ayto to opoio kateqese ston Eisaggelea, htan kapoia dhmosieymata. Moy kanei entypwsh to gegonos oti mexri stigmhs den exoyn dhmosiopoihqei ta stoixeia gia ta opoia apopemfqhke o Proedros toy O.E.K. Exete na mas peite kati parapanw se ayto; Giati telikws apopemfqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane analytikes dhlwseis o k. Roysopoylos xqes, oi opoies akomh isxyoyn sto akeraio.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Roysopoylos parepempe ston k. Panagiwtopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ekane dhlwseis. Den exw na prosqesw tipote se mia ypoqesh poy brisketai ston Eisaggelea.

SARANTAKOS: Oyte kan gia ta stoixeia poy odhghsan thn ypoqesh ston Eisaggelea;

ANTWNAROS: Exei apanthqei plhrws to qema.

BLAXOS: H xwra den dioikeitai mesw Eisaggelewn.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipe kaneis kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Edw yparxei ena politiko qema. Efyge enas Proedros Organismoy. Me politika krithria eixe mpei ekei, htan apo ton ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs. Edw yparxei mia fhmologia oti kapoios epixeirhmatias exei parembei sto politiko skhniko, legontas oti exei stoixeia enantion kapoioy proedroy. Ferte ta stoixeia na ta doyme. H kybernhsh den mporei na krybetai monimws, pisw apo ton Eisaggelea.

ANTWNAROS: Qa eyxomoyn na mhn anaparagete fhmologia an den exete stoixeia.

BLAXOS: Ma kai eseis qa eyxomoyn na mhn eixate diwjei ton k. Oikonomopoylo, me ta stoixeia ta opoia den mas dinete. Dioti xqes o k. Roysopoylos eipe oti hgerqh hqikhs tajews qema. Kai kaneis den mas leei ap` thn kybernhsh, poio einai to hqikhs tajews qema poy hgerqh kai apo poion. Apo poion hgerqh;

SPYRAKH: Me dedomeno oti exei hdh doqei entolh gia EDE sthn Astynomia gia to peristatiko ths kaqysterhshs ths emfanishs twn astynomikwn dynamewn sto Syntagma, meta thn apeilh gia bomba poy dexqhkan xqes to prwi, qa hqela na rwthsw an isxyei h xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy oti h Astynomia efqase egkairws h an h kybernhsh sto metajy me bash ta nea stoixeia exei allajei gnwmh.

ANTWNAROS: Sta plaisia toy elegxoy poy ginetai pantote meta apo tetoia peristatika, diejhxqh pragmati xqes sthn Astynomia enas elegxos o opoios katelhje kai se orismenes diapistwseis. Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh xqes, toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. H Astynomia edrase basei twn kanonismwn kai breqhke sto xwro ths ekrhjhs egkairws. Mhn jexnate, oti akomh kai ekeines tis prwines wres poy egine h ekrhjh, prokeitai gia mia perioxh poy einai polysyxnasth. Metakineitai para polys kosmos, metepibibazetai para polys kosmos, kineitai sthn perioxh para polys kosmos kai yparxoyn kai kataskeyes oi opoies einai epikindynes gia thn asfaleia dhladh oi yalokataskeyes, otan yparxei ekrhjh. Synepws h Astynomia kanei eswterika thn ereyna ths kai otan yparjei to apotelesma, eimai sigoyros oti to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, qa anakoinwsei to apotelesma ths ereynas. Allwste gi` ayto ginetai kai h ereyna.

SPYRAKH: Rwtaw isws an exei allajei h politikh sas krish me bash ta nea dedomena. Einai dhladh profanes oti thn kaqysterhsh poy diapistwnan xqes to meshmeri kai to apogeyma ta MME telika thn apodeiknyei kai h ejetash poy kanei h Astynomia.

ANTWNAROS: Kinhtopoihqhke h astynomikh dynamh. Breqhke ekei, alla sas eipa, oti yparxoyn parametroi oi opoies einai eidikoy xarakthra gia thn perioxh. Shmantiko einai oti en pash periptwsei se ena toso epibarymeno periballon, den yphrxan qymata.

BLAXOS: Kata tyxh, den yphrjan qymata. Oxi giati parenebh h Astynomia.

ANTWNAROS: H Astynomia htan ekei basei twn keimenwn kanonismwn.

BLAXOS: Sta plana eidame mono thn Pyrosbestikh xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

TSIODRAS: To teleytaio diasthma exete diaforopoihqei apo thn grammh ``den sxoliazoyme dhmoskophseis''. Exete sxoliasei arketes, qa sas kalesw loipon na sxoliasete kai aythn poy paroysiasthke xqes apo to MEGA, h opoia deixnei th diafora sto 1,3 kai sobara stoixeia se sxesh me th dysareskeia apenanti sthn kybernhtikh politikh poy einai megalh alla kai apenanti ston Prwqypoyrgo. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den allazei tipote se ayto poy sas exoyme pei. Oi dhmoskophseis einai ergaleia, ta opoia xrhsimopoioyme. Katagrafoyn tis taseis ths koinhs gnwmhs mia sygkekrimenh stigmh. H kybernhsh pairnei shmantikes apofaseis gia metarryqmiseis, proxwraei se tomes kai ekeino to opoio metraei gia mas einai oti h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn yposthrizei ayth th megalh metarryqmistikh prospaqeia.

LEONTITSH: Gia tis ayrianes kinhtopoihseis twn ergazomenwn, k. Ekproswpe: H symmetoxh twn ypallhlwn twn KEP sthn ayrianh apergia mporei na exei epiptwseis sthn ananewsh twn symbasewn toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh na sas apanthsw, alla den nomizw oti prokyptei tetoio qema. Parakalw, pantws, na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. Prokeitai gia eidiko qema.

SIDERHS: Qa mporoyse, dhladh, k. Ekproswpe, na symbainei kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: Ti eipa eisagwgika; Epidiwkete na moy balete sto stoma logia poy den ejestomisa.

SIDERHS: Den to apokleisate, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den eimai se qesh na apanthsw gia kati to opoio den gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Ma, einai aparabato ergasiako dikaiwma toys h apergia kai lete, den gnwrizete;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Siderh sas exw pei epaneilhmmenws, ta sxolia sas mporeite na ta kanete sto staqmo poy ergazeste. Edw eiste gia na moy ypobalete erwthseis. Erwthseis mporeite na moy ypobalete oses qelete kai qa tis apantw.

LEONTITSH: Gnwrizete oti o k. Andreoylakos exei steilei egkyklio stoys ergazomenoys twn KEP, sthn opoia shmeiwnei oti den exoyn to dikaiwma na aperghsoyn kai oti ayto katagrafetai stis symbaseis toys; Dhladh, me bash tis symbaseis toys den exoyn dikaiwma na aperghsoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th sygkekrimenh egkyklio. Opws den exw ypoch moy kai symbaseis poy, opws moy anaferete, exoyn ypogracei oi en logw ergazomenoi.

RABANOS: Qelw na ypobalw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Gkargkana poy milhse gia dieth litothta, ayjhseis katw toy plhqwrismoy, apeleyqerwsh twn apolysewn kai ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs. Qa hqela to sxolio sas. Kai deyteron, afora th xqesinh topoqethsh toy Arxiepiskopoy kai kata poso pisteyete oti ayth pyrodotei entash stis sxeseis metajy dyo kratwn;

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to prwto qema, thn oikonomikh politikh, to exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa, thn sxediazei, thn apofasizei kai thn efarmozei h eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras. Oson afora to deytero erwthma, den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me to nomosxedio gia tis DEKO. To episthmoniko symboylio ths Boylhs krinei sxetika me to epimaxo arqro 14, ypenqymizei mallon, oti yparxei mneia sto Syntagma gia th diaithsia, pragma to opoio den problepetai sto arqro 14. Qelw na jerw, loipon, ean prokeitai h kybernhsh me bash kai ayth th sygkekrimenh gnwmodothsh na kanei kapoies allages.

ANTWNAROS: H syzhthsh gia to nomosxedio, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, arxizei shmera sth Boylh. H kybernhsh qewrei th sygkekrimenh ryqmish, opws sas exw pei kai alles fores, mia ryqmish strathgikhs kai shmantikhs shmasias gia thn anadiarqrwsh ths leitoyrgias twn DEKO.

SIDERHS: Den sxoliazete ton Arxiepiskopo, peste mas, omws, poia einai h entypwsh sas: Pame kata Israhl ws xwra;

ANTWNAROS: Aporw giati eseis, enas toso monternos anqrwpos, xrhsimopoieite tetoies aphrxaiwmenes ekfraseis.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes, o k. K. Mhtsotakhs prosedwse mia politikh diastash sta osa fainomena diafqoras -opws kai o idios eipe- symbainoyn to teleytaio diasthma. Pisteyete oti h xwra olisqainei sth diafqora kai sth spatalh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio.

SARANTAKOS: Thn politikh sas ektimhsh zhtw. Den zhtw na sxoliasete ton k. Mhtsotakh.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio panw se dhlwseis toy k. Mhtsotakh.

SARANTAKOS: Politikh ektimhsh den exete ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio pragma;

SARANTAKOS: H xwra olisqainei sth diafqora kai sth spatalh ton teleytaio kairo;

ANTWNAROS: Poios to eipe;

SARANTAKOS: O prwhn Prwqypoyrgos kai epitimos Proedros ths N.D.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw sxolia epi twn dhlwsewn toy k. Mhtsotakh.

BLAXOS: Ara, qewreite oti o k. Xristodoylos den einai monternos anqrwpos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw.

BLAXOS: Oxi, apanthsete moy. Me sygxwreite, rwthsa kati. Qewreite, loipon, oti o k. Xristodoylos den einai monternos anqrwpos.

ANTWNAROS: Erwthsh me entelws diaforetiko periexomeno moy ekane o k. Siderhs.

BLAXOS: Sas rwthse ayto poy lew ki egw.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, o k. Siderhs me rwthse kati poly diaforetiko. Allh erwthsh.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean exei ginei apo thn pleyra toy Israhl -apo th diplwmatikh apostolh sthn Ellada- kapoia parastash sxetika me to qema ayto, sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn h opoydhpote alloy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: To prwi sto Megaro Majimoy mphke kapoios diamartyromenos poy zhtoyse ergasia; Ti akribws synebh, poion synanthse, ti toy eipan;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw. Hmoyn, prin apo tis 11:00 sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai katopin sth synedriash toy KYSEA. Den exw eikona.

Sas eyxaristw.


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