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Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-07-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Ioylioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Na sas ypenqymizw oti ayrio to meshmeri anamenetai gia episkech sthn Aqhna, meta apo prosklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kagkelarios ths Omospondiakhs Dhmokratias ths Germanias k. Agkela Merkel. H k. Merkel qa exei synomilies me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai, symfwna me to programma, qa ginei dekth argotera to apogeyma apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias k. Karolo Papoylia. Antikeimeno twn synomiliwn ths k. Merkel me ton Prwqypoyrgo qa apotelesoyn dimerh kai dieqnh qemata. Gia perissoteres leptomereies, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhmioyrghqhke ena qema xqes me tis dhlwseis toy k. Giakoymatoy. Mas eipate, mas dwsate tis ejhghseis poy labate kai eseis apo ton idio, wstoso omws menei to erwthma: H kybernhsh symmerizetai tis apoceis toy k. Giakoymatoy opws tis ejefrase xqes ston ``FLASH'';

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke xqes di` emoy, me apolyth safhneia. Den exw na pw kati allo. To qema exei kleisei.

STAQOPOYLOS: To PASOK wstoso zhthse thn apopomph toy xqes, mesw toy Petroy Eyqymioy, toy ekproswpoy toy.

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK prospaqei na synthrhsei ena qema to opoio den exei antikeimeno.

LEONTITSH: Ep` aytoy. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs, epeidh yparxoyn, fainetai kai alla stelexh ths kybernhshs poy symmerizontai thn apoch toy k. Giakoymatoy. Gia paradeigma, shmera o Yfypoyrgos Ygeias k. Giannopoylos eipe pws orismena ``arrwsta myala'' pisteyoyn oti me tis fwties blaptoyn thn kybernhsh. Sto idio mhkos kymatos htan kai oi dhlwseis toy k. Manwlh xqes sth Boylh. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh... ;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis sygkekrimenes dhlwseis. Egw sas eipa poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, h opoia kai isxyei sto akeraio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn politikes skopimothtes pisw apo tis pyrkagies, apo to mparaz twn pyrkagiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pote topoqethqhkate;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh, opws jerete, h xwra antimetwpizei ena shmantika ayjhmeno ariqmo pyrkagiwn se sxesh me ta perasmena xronia. Qa sas dwsw merika stoixeia gia na ta exete ypoch sas, statistika stoixeia: Perysi, fer` eipein, sto idio diasthma, apo 1h Ioylioy mexri 17h Ioylioy 2006 eixame 675 pyrkagies kai fetos sto idio diasthma oi pyrkagies aytes htan 1.452. Perysi, dhladh, oi pyrkagies --kai anaferomai se dyo xronia diakybernhshs apo th shmerinh kybernhsh, apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias-- kymainontan apo 30 ews 50 thn hmera kai fetos, dhladh ton Ioylio toy 2007, oi pyrkagies htan kata meso oro apo 70 ews 107 thn hmera, yperdiplasios ariqmos. Opws antilambaneste, h antimetwpish kai h katapolemhsh twn sygkekrimenwn estiwn aytwn twn pyrkagiwn, twn dasikwn pyrkagiwn, apaitei th sygkentrwsh olwn twn dynamewn poy diaqetei h xwra gia thn antimetwpish toys, etsi wste na perioristei h zhmia h opoia prokaleitai, h opoia einai anamfisbhthth. Den sas eipa egw pote oti den prokaleitai zhmia sta dash kai opoy alloy ekdhlwnontai pyrkagies.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema. To gegonos oti dianyoyme to kalokairi prin apo tis ekloges, opote kai an aytes ginoyn, epishs oti h kybernhsh epiqymei na allajei to syntagmatiko arqro gia ta dash, alla eixe epixeirhqei nwritera, me ta gnwsta apotelesmata, kai h chfish ekeinhs ths diatajhs gia thn katedafish twn ayqairetwn mesa sta dash, mhpws h kybernhsh aqela ths, me ton tropo ayto, syneteine sto na exoyme oles aytes tis pyrkagies;

ANTWNAROS: Me kanenan apolytws tropo. Den mporw na symmeristw, se kamia periptwsh, ayth thn epixeirhmatologia thn opoia anaptyjate, oxi ws dikh sas epixeirhmatologia, alla isws ws epixeirhmatologia thn opoia alloi h kapoioi alloi ekfrazoyn kai diatypwnoyn. H shmerinh kybernhsh exei topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia sto qema twn dasikwn pyrkagiwn. Exei dhlwsei oti opoy yparxei dasos, qa janaginei dasos. Kamia perioxh h opoia kahke, den qa doqei gia oikopedopoihsh. Oles oi perioxes oi opoies kahkan, qa khryxqoyn amesws, aytomata, anadaswtees. Kai sas parapempw kai se xqesines dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgoy Soyflia, o opoios me apolyth safhneia periegrace to plaisio mesa sto opoio kineitai kai qa kinhqei h shmerinh kybernhsh. Den mporei na yparjei kamia apolytws amfibolia, para thn prospaqeia thn opoia kanoyn orismenoi oti ayta ta opoia exoyme pei, ginontai kai qa ejakoloyqhsoyn na ginontai prajh.

MELIGKWNHS: Wstoso, afoy h kybernhsh den enqarrynei aqela ths, me tis prwtoboylies ths, toys emprhstes kai afoy den yparxoyn kai politika kinhtra pisw apo tis pyrkagies, poy apodidei to gegonos oti yparxoyn pragmati yperdiplasies pyrkagies kai pleon oloi oi topikoi foreis, o nomarxhs Kefallonias, o dhmarxos Naypaktoy, oloi sxedon oi topikoi foreis, miloyn anoixta gia emprhsmoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta ta qemata einai pros diereynhsh. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia ayth th stigmh --to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora-- einai na antimetwpistoyn oi pyrkagies, oi opoies ekdhlwnontai sth xwra. Kai antimetwpizontai me thn aytoqysia kai thn aytaparnhsh poy deixnoyn oloi oi antres kai oi gynaikes poy einai tagmenoi gia na antimetwpisoyn to sygkekrimeno fainomeno, kaqws kai oi polloi eqelontes poy monoi toys speydoyn epi topoy na antimetwpisoyn tis pyrkagies.

KAKALHS: Tis diabebaiwseis oti opoy yparxei dasos, qa janaginei dasos, tis exei janakoysei polles fores o ellhnikos laos kai apo esas kai apo toys prokatoxoys sas, h zwh omws to exei diaceysei kai epi kybernhsewn PASOK, opoy eixan kaei ta dash, den eginan pali dash, alla ena megalo kommati apoxarakthristhke kai egine biles kai epishs kai sthn periptwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, qymamai twra to paradeigma ths Rafhnas, poy kahke to 2005, hdh exoyn ktistei. Ara, sthn prajh katarreei h diabebaiwsh poy doqhke kai apo toy stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti ``opoy yparxei dasos, qa janaginei dasos''...

ANTWNAROS: Opoy yparxei dasos epi kybernhsewn Neas Dhmokratias, oi perioxes poy kahkan khryxqhkan amesws anadaswtees. Ayto einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfibolia.

KAKALHS: Kai oi fwtografies einai adiaceysta stoixeia poy exoyn dhmosieytei stis efhmerides... Alla hqela na rwthsw, pws epimenete meta apo ayto na lete oti oi fwties einai ena fysiko fainomeno, poy mpainoyn apo ta prwtognwra isws kairika fainomena poy lete kai den exoyn politikes aities poy phgazoyn akribws sth symperifora twn kybernhsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite...

KAKALHS: Lew oti to xeri twn emprhstwn to oplizei h politikh poy efarmozetai ola ayta ta xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia prwtognwrh dikh sas proseggish thn opoia h kybernhsh, alla kai h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, den th symmerizetai.

PERDIKARHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs omws: Mporei na diaceydete kai eseis kai alla kybernhtika stelexh kai o idios o k. Giakoymatos na anaskeyase tis dhlwseis toy, yposthrizontas oti den ennooyse to PASOK, wstoso epemeine oti yparxoyn kommatikopolitikes, an qymamai kala thn ekfrash toy, skopimothtes pisw apo aytes tis pyrkagies. Ean, loipon, den einai to PASOK, poios einai; Einai h kybernhsh poy bazei tis fwties; Einai kapoio apo ta kommata ths Aristeras; Ti symbainei;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. To qema exei ejantlhqei. Den exw tipote allo na pw. Allwste, ginetai texnhth prospaqeia apo orismenoys na diathrhqei kapoio qema to opoio den exei kanena apolytws antikeimeno.

PERDIKARHS: Otan lete texnhth prospaqeia, apo poioys;

ANTWNAROS: Texnhth prospaqeia apo to komma, fer` eipein, ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

PERDIKARHS: Ayto omws, den einai mia momfh pros to PASOK; Dhladh...

ANTWNAROS: Poios eipe oti den apodidw ayth th momfh pros to PASOK;

PERDIKARHS: Dhladh, den symfwneite me tis dhlwseis toy k. Giakoymatoy, alla apodidete ayth th momfh oti synthrei to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai synthrei to qema, aney logoy. Sas eipa oti h xqesinh moy topoqethsh, ws Ekproswpoy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, htan apolytws safhs. Den afhne kanena periqwrio amfibolias. Kai meta apo ayto h epiklhsh apospasmatwn apo mia synenteyjh deixnei akribws oti yphrje prospaqeia gia synthrhsh enos qematos poy den exei antikeimeno.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate oti yparxei prospaqeia synthrhshs toy qematos apo orismenoys, sas eipa kai nwritera, th dhlwsh toy Yfypoyrgoy k. Giannopoyloy poy eipe oti orismena arrwsta myala pisteyoyn oti me tis fwties blaptoyn thn kybernhsh. Kai o k. Manwlhs, xqes, sth Boylh eipe: Ti qelete na kanoyme; Eseis qa zhtagate apo toys emprhstes an hsastan kybernhsh na mh bazoyn fwties; Dhladh, ayto to qema ths synthrhshs fainetai oti erxetai kai apo dhlwseis stelexwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia ermhneia dhlwsewn tis opoies den gnwrizw. Egw sas eipa thn kentrikh qesh ths kybernhshs, h opoia den afhnei kanena periqwrio gia amfibolia kai amfisbhthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn ektimhsh oti pisw apo tis pyrkagies, to mparaz ayto, yparxei sxedio apostaqeropoihshs ths politikhs zwhs;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei sto qema, den exw na pw tipote allo. As asxolhqoyme me thn antimetwpish twn pyrkagiwn poy talaipwroyn aytes tis meres th xwra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Wstoso, xqes o k. Eyqymioy edwse kapoia stoixeia. Ta epibebaiwnete;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Eyqymioy edwse, xqes, ena potamo ``stoixeiwn'' ta opoia elaxista exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Kai qa sas dwsw ena paradeigma, yparxei allwste kai se xqesinh apanthsh  dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn k. Prokoph Paylopoyloy. Leei, loipon, o k. Eyqymioy oti: Ta posa gia thn pyroprostasia exoyn meiwqei kata th diarkeia ths shmerinhs diakybernhshs. H alhqeia omws, einai allh, eite boleyei to PASOK eite den to boleyei. To 2004, xronia malista Olympiakwn Agwnwn, me proypologismo ths kybernhshs Shmith  sas to ypenqymizw ayto-- eixan problefqei kai doqhkan gia pyroprostasia, opws leei allwste kai o ekproswpos Typoy toy PASOK, 14,5 ekatommyria eyrw. To 2007 proypologisthkan kai katablhqhkan kai malista nwritera apo kaqe allh fora, logw swsths organwshs kai problechs twn twrinwn akraiwn kairikwn synqhkwn, 22 ekatommyria eyrw. Dhladh, metajy 2004 kai 2007 exoyme ayjhsh sxedon 50%. Katopin toytoy, kai epanalambanw th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes o k. Paylopoylos: To PASOK kai o ekproswpos toy as anagnwrisoyn oti kai sto qema ayto eixan afhsei, otan kybernoysan th xwra, kyriolektika aprostateyth. Kai ena stoixeio akomh: Etsi ejhgeitai kai h prwtofanhs katastrofh toy etoys 2000, sas to ypenqymizw, otan xwris, bebaiws, na syntrexoyn oi analoges, oi shmerines, oi akraies kairikes synqhkes, xaqhkan apo tis pyrkagies 1,5 ekatommyrio stremmata dasikoy ploytoy, pollaplasio twn ektasewn poy exoyn xaqei fetos kai persi. Kai epanalambanw, lyph prokalei kaqe fora to kacimo enos qamnoy, enos dendroy, mias estw kai poly mikrhs perioxhs. Alla, as mhn jexname kai ta stoixeia, ta pragmatika stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Ayto to paixnidi me toys ariqmoys poy ginetai polles fores den apeikonizei thn pragmatikothta, giati oloi sxedon oi foreis lene oti den exoyn parei pistwseis fetos, ikanopoihtikes gia th dasoprostasia. Kai h topikh aytodioikhsh kai oi Nomarxies ktl. To qema einai, epipleon exete kanei enan ypologismo na deite poio einai to kostos apo tis pyrkagies, dhladh tis zhmies poy exoyn ginei apo tis katastrofes twn daswn kai twn kalliergeiwn alla kai to kostos ths dasopyrosbeshs; Gia na deite oti einai poly anantistoixa me ayta poy dwsate gia dasoprostasia;

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo pragmata ta opoia einai entelws diaforetika.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Egw milaw gia thn pyroprostasia kai sas eipa oti ta posa ayta...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai) qa kaname ligoteres zhmies.

ANTWNAROS: Ta posa ayta ta opoia sas anefera, exoyn katablhqei. Ayto den amfisbhteitai apo kanenan. Opoy prokyptoyn zhmies, to exw pei kai alles fores, oi dikaioyxoi apozhmiwnontai kai qa synexisoyn na apozhmiwnontai sta plaisia poy problepoyn oi nomoi.

KAKALHS: Pws qa apozhmiwqoyn ta 56.000 stremmata poy einai sthn Parnhqa, ths peykhs kai ths elaths; Pws;

ANTWNAROS: Me anadaswsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei ayto to zhthma ths parapomphs ths xwras mas sto dikasthrio twn eyrwpaikwn koinothtwn gia thn ejiswsh twn oriwn hlikias andrwn kai gynaikwn. Apo thn eikona poy sxhmatisa tis prohgoymenes meres apo thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn, alla kai apo th dhlwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy toy k. Basilh Maggina, h kybernhsh emfanizetai na mhn eixe enhmerwqei armodiws apo tis koinotikes yphresies. Wstoso, xqes o k. Magginas, parepemce ston Yfypoyrgo Oikonomikwn k. Doyka se sxesh me thn epafh poy eixe me tis koinotikes yphresies. Eixe enhmerwqei o k. Petros Doykas gia thn epilogh ths epitrophs na parapemcei th xwra mas sto dikasthrio;

ANTWNAROS: To qema ayto, opws sas exoyme pei kai alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa ayth thn ebdomada, an den kanw laqos, einai palaio qema. Den einai kati kainoyrio. Htan kati to opoio anamenotan, htan gnwsto, me thn ennoia oti qa erxotan. Kai gia na mhn aperantologoyme, ekeino to opoio exei shmasia, den einai an egine 2, 3, 4, 5 meres prin h enhmerwsh h an qelete h koinopoihsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Emeis eipame apo thn prwth stigmh oti me th sygkekrimenh parapomph, h opoia  epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora-- einai ena gnwsto qema, dhmioyrgeitai zhthma kai oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei epixeirhmata. Exei isxyra epixeirhmata ta opoia kai qa probalei kata thn ekdikash ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs. Ayth einai kai h oysia toy qematos. Xqes de kata th synanthsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Apasxolhshs k. Basilh Maggina me thn ADEDY kai th GSEE, egine safes oti yparxei kai koinh yposthriktikh grammh gia ta ellhnika epixeirhmata. Ayto einai poly qetiko.

SPYRAKH: Anafereste sthn oysia...

ANTWNAROS: H oysia einai ayth poy metraei.

SPYRAKH: Kala kanete apo thn pleyra sas, alla egw qetw kai ena erwthma diadromhs. Eixe enhmerwqei h oxi h kybernhsh mesw toy k. Doyka oti h Komision apofasise thn parapomph mas, opws isxyrizetai o armodios epitropos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h koinopoihsh exei mia makra diadikasia h opoia akoloyqeitai synhqws. Den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh na sas pw, allwste, tetoies diadikastikes leptomereies. Ap` o,ti antilambanomai kai apo thn Epitroph exoyn ginei dhlwseis antifatikes kai antikroyomenes. Shmasia exei h oysia toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

MELIGKWNHS: Wstoso mia kai eipate oti einai qetiko, oti yparxei h koinh antimetwpish kai apo thn kybernhsh kai apo ta syndikata, o proedros ths GSEE o k. Panagopoylos kataggellei thn kybernhsh, thn kathgorei telos pantwn, oti h idia eixe dhlwsei thn asfalish twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn ws epaggelmatikh kai oxi ws koinwnikh me apotelesma, enw h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh afhnei ta krath - melh na diamorfwnoyn thn koinwnikh toys politikh, epembainei mono sta epaggelmatika qemata. Giati h kybernhsh dhlwse ws epaggelmatikh...

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ayto to eidiko qema. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oi dhlwseis toy k. Maggina stis opoies kai sas parapempw.

TZALABRAS: Xqes, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, apefyge na apanthsei sthn erwthsh ean to sxedio proypologismoy qa katateqei sthn paroysa Boylh h oxi. Eseis mporeite...

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwse o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Ean den kanw laqos htan h teleytaia erwthsh poy toy egine.

TZALABRAS: Den edwse kamia apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwse o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den aforoyse to qema ths erwthshs h apanthsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw, loipon, sthn apanthsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den doqhke apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Htan mia apanthsh, h apanthsh ayth.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh. Egw parapempw se ayth thn apanthsh.

MELIGKWNHS: Shmera milwntas ``Sto Kokkino'', o nomarxhs Kefallhnias kai Iqakhs, eipe oti gia ton Eqniko Drymo toy Ainoy exoyn diateqei, exoyn egkriqei mallon, molis 17.000 eyrw. Meta ta osa synebhsan ston Eqniko Drymo ths Parnhqas, h kybernhsh skeptetai na ayjhsei ayto to poso;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw oyte th dhlwsh, oyte ta sygkekrimena posa. Synepws, den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw an antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti lambanontai ola ta metra, opws sas eipa, apo thn shmerinh kybernhsh wste na antimetwpizontai ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tis pyrkagies.

PERDIKARHS: Moy ofeilete mia apanthsh apo xqes, gia to qema toy dhmosieymatos twn Financial Times kai thn antidrash, ean qa yparjei, ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Exei hdh stalei apo ton Presbh ths Elladas sth Megalh Bretania k. Pispinh epistolh sthn efhmerida, me thn opoia epishmainetai oti h orqh xrhsh toy onomatos einai h dieqnws anagnwrismenh apo ton Organismo Hnwmenwn Eqnwn onomasia ``Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias''.

Sas eyxaristw.


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