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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 19 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 101599102

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Oktwbrioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Me megalh synepeia kai aisqhma eyqynhs h kybernhsh organwnei thn politikh ths gia thn prostasia toy periballontos. Oi systhmatikes prwtoboylies kai ta metra ginontai antikeimeno sxediasmoy kai epejergasias apo thn kybernhsh, apofasizontai qesmika apo th Boylh kai efarmozontai oysiastika sthn prajh apo to YPEXWDE kai thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh bebaiws, dioti, opws asfalws gnwrizete, polla apo ayta ta metra efarmozontai kai prepei na efarmozontai sthn prajh apo toys foreis ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Stoxo exoyn ola ayta ta metra kai oi prwtoboylies th diafylajh toy periballontos toso gia osoys zoyn shmera sth xwra mas alla kai gia tis mellontikes genies. Se ayto to plaisio qa hqela na epishmanw orismena shmantika stoixeia poy paroysiase xqes o Ypoyrgos Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgos Soyflias:

To prwto, enisxyetai oysiastika h yphresia twn Epiqewrhtwn Periballontos toy YPEXWDE poy systaqhke kai arxise na leitoyrgei stis arxes toy 2004. Mexri prosfata, h yphresia ayth poy einai o qematofylakas toy periballontos se koryfaio, epiteliko epipedo, apoteloyntan apo 19 Epiqewrhtes, oi opoioi mexri to telos toy mhna qa exoyn ftasei toys 45. Mexri shmera, oi Epiqewrhtes Periballontos toy YPEXWDE exoyn dienerghsei peripoy 600 elegxoys kai exoyn eishghqei pros tis Nomarxies, tis Perifereies h ton Ypoyrgo  kai sas to lew ayto, dioti to pros to poion ginetai mia eishghsh, ejartatai apo to ycos toy prostimoy-- thn epibolh prostimwn synolikoy ycoys 10 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Qa hqela, epishs, na epishmanw oti oi Epiqewrhtes Periballontos toy YPEXWDE dienergoyn deigmatolhptikoys elegxoys kai parembainoyn se problhmata megalhs klimakas h meta apo kataggelies. H thrhsh twn periballontikwn orwn, sthn pleionothta twn periptwsewn, prepei na epopteyetai apo tis adeiodotoyses Arxes, dhladh toys Dhmoys, tis Nomarxies kai tis Perifereies.

To deytero qema exei sxesh me osa exoyn anakycei sth limnh Korwneia. Plhroforiaka sas lew oti apo ton Septembrio, katopin entolhs toy k. Soyflia stoys Epiqewrhtes, pragmatopoioyntai entatikoi elegxoi kai drasthriothtes gyrw apo th limnh kai kyriws se sxesh me th diaxeirish twn ygrwn apoblhtwn poy kateyqynontai pros th limnh. Mexri shmera, exoyn elegxqei 25 biomhxanies kai 4 Dhmoi ths perioxhs. Apo ta apotelesmata aytwn twn elegxwn exoyn prokycei ta ejhs: Prwton, se oles tis biomhxanies poy elegxqhkan entopisthkan parabaseis gia th mh thrhsh twn periballontikwn orwn, sxetika me th leitoyrgia toys kai kyriws sxetika me qemata poy aforoyn sthn epejergasia, thn parakoloyqhsh kai th diaqesh twn ygrwn apoblhtwn. Deyteron, oi gewtrhseis poy xrhsimopoioyntai gia tis gewrgikes ekmetalleyseis kai drasthriothtes sthn perioxh ginontai, sthn pleionothta toys, xwris tis apaitoymenes adeies. Kai milaw gia ekatontades, an oxi xiliades gewtrhseis. Triton, oi Dhmoi ths perioxhs den diaqetoyn thn apaitoymenh ypodomh se apoxeteytika diktya kai egkatastaseis epejergasias lymatwn me apotelesma shmantikes posothtes tetoiwn lymatwn poy den exoyn ginei antikeimeno epejergasias, na katalhgoyn sta nera ths limnhs. Shmeiwnetai oti o biologikos kaqarismos toy Dhmoy Lagkada, toy megalyteroy, an den kanw laqos, Dhmoy ths perioxhs, o opoios exei kataskeyastei apo to 2001, oydepote leitoyrghse logw ths mh oloklhrwshs twn ergwn syndeshs toy me to apoxeteytiko diktyo.

Pera apo ayto, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti edw kai peripoy 1,5 xrono exei ypografei Programmatikh Symbash apo ta Ypoyrgeia PEXWDE, Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, Anaptyjhs kai Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs apo th mia meria kai th Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh Qessalonikhs apo thn allh, me thn opoia h Nomarxia kaqistatai ypeyqynh gia thn ektelesh ergwn prostasias ths limnhs Korwneias kai gi` ayto to logo diatiqentai apo ta tessera Ypoyrgeia poroi ycoys 42 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Apo ayta, peripoy 27 ekatommyria eyrw aforoyn se poroys toy YPEXWDE apo to Tameio Synoxhs kai ta ypoloipa 15 ekatommyria eyrw, proerxontai apo ta tria alla Ypoyrgeia. Aparaithth proypoqesh gia th dhmoprathsh kai thn ektelesh twn ergwn sth limnh Korwneia, einai h proslhch Texnikoy Symboyloy apo th Nomarxia. H proslhch ayth, symfwna me tis plhrofories moy, egine molis prosfata, pro enos mhnos.

Trito qema: Elegxoi sth Mhlo. Apo tis 31 Aygoystoy ews kai tis 4 Septembrioy, klimakio twn Epiqewrhtwn Periballontos poy --sas ypenqymizw, akomh kai ayth th stigmh einai se mikro ariqmo, ayjanei o ariqmos mexri to telos toy mhnos-- pragmatopoihse periballontikes epiqewrhseis se drasthriothtes sygkekrimenhs etaireias sth nhso Mhlo, gia diafores parabaseis stis opoies anaferqhke analytika o k. Soyflias kai exoyn sxesh me th molynsh ths qalassas. To Ypoyrgeio epebale prostima synolikoy ycoys 784.000 eyrw. Gia alles treis egkatastaseis den exoyn oloklhrwqei akomh oi diadikasies.

Tetarto kai teleytaio shmeio, einai h ayjhsh twn prostimwn, twn anwtatwn oriwn prostimwn, poy problepontai gia periballontikes parabaseis. Sas einai gnwsto oti epikeitai sth Boylh h syzhthsh toy sxedioy nomoy toy YPEXWDE poy afora sthn kyrwsh ths symbashs paraxwrhshs gia th Boreiodytikh odo Peloponnhsoy. Se ayto to nomosxedio, dhladh poly syntoma, qa prosteqei tropologia poy problepei ton tetraplasiasmo toy anwtatoy orioy twn prostimwn poy epiballontai se periptwseis periballontikwn parabasewn. Ta prostima qa mporoyn na ftanoyn apo 500.000 eyrw, poy einai shmera to anwtato orio, ta dyo ekatommyria eyrw. H ayjhsh sto anwtato orio krinetai anagkaia, prokeimenoy na enisxyqei me poly oysiastiko kai apotelesmatiko tropo, h apotreptikh leitoyrgia twn dioikhtikwn kyrwsewn poy problepontai sto basiko nomo gia thn prostasia toy periballontos kai stoxo exoyn na antimetwpistoyn akomh pio apotelesmatika ta problhmata poy anafyontai apo thn entash twn phgwn rypanshs kai epibarynshs toy periballontos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Mporei sta sobara h kybernhsh na kanei logo gia prostasia toy periballontos otan exei mono 19 Epiqewrhtes Periballontos kai me dedomeno ayto to orgio ayqairesias poy anaferate ta stoixeia gia thn Korwneia; Pws mporei na prolhfqei olh ayth h katapathsh toy periballontos me 19 Epiqewrhtes, toys opoioys skopima exete afhsei tosa xronia adynamoys toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys;

ANTWNAROS: Exete enan poly endiaferonta tropo na proseggizete to qema panta apo thn arnhtikh toy pleyra, o opoios tropos, den me briskei symfwno. Egw ekeino to opoio blepw kai to opoio molis sas periegraca, me ta stoixeia ta opoia sas pareqesa, einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh enisxyei akribws to swma twn Epiqewrhtwn gia na exoyme pio apotelesmatikoys, pio oysiastikoys elegxoys. Sas lew akomh oti se para polla epipeda ths prostasias toy periballontos, thn oysiastikh eyqynh thn exoyn oi topikes arxes. H kybernhsh qetei to plaisio mesa sto opoio prepei na kinoymeqa oloi mas, wste na diafylajoyme ayto to ypertato agaqo gia oloys mas.

KAKALHS: Alla, 19 Epiqewrhtes; Giati eixate tosoys 3,5 xronia; Giati den toys eixate ayjhsei ta prohgoymena xronia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Ola ginontai, opws gnwrizete, me mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, prokeimenoy oi anqrwpoi aytoi na exoyn proslhfqei me tropo poy kaneis den qa mporoyse na amfisbhthsei  den amfisbhteitai allwste-- alla na exoyn kai ekeina ta exeggya kai ekeina ta prosonta ta opoia apaitoyntai wste na kanoyn me ton kalytero dynato tropo th doyleia toys.

MPESKENHS: Oi 45 qewrei h kybernhsh oti einai arketoi dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas paroysiazw ta stoixeia ta opoia prokyptoyn. Yphrxan 19, ftanoyme stoys 45. Ean eseis krinete oti mia ayjhsh ths tajews toy 120  130% den einai eparkhs, einai qema ajiologhshs. Kanoyn oi anqrwpoi aytoi, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, th doyleia toys.

KAPRALOS: Me bash shmerina dhmosieymata alla kai to klima poy exei dhmioyrghqei, kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw ean yparxei dysareskeia gia to proswpo toy k. Alogoskoyfh sto Megaro Majimoy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai polles fores, to gnwrizete oloi sas osoi parakoloyqeite taktika thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn, poy exei teqei ayto h synafes erwthma kai pros ton k. Roysopoylo kai pros emena. H apanthsh einai panta h idia: Sas exoyme pei ola ayta ta xronia oti oydepote kykloi toy Megaroy Majimoy h o idios o Prwqypoyrgos ekfrazoyn pros ta ejw h dioxeteyoyn me opoiadhpote morfh dysareskeia h eyareskeia.

KAPRALOS: Dhladh, afhnete anoikto to endexomeno na yparxei dysareskeia gia ton k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota tetoio. Epanalambanw omws gia mia akomh fora oti: Plhrofories poy anagrafontai, endexomenws, ston Typo h metadidontai apo ta hlektronika MME, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta dioti, eite oi kykloi toy Megaroy Majimoy eite o Prwqypoyrgos den ekfrazoyn dysareskeia h eyareskeia.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ena mhna meta tis ekloges ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias einai se eklogikh etoimothta kai giati;

ANTWNAROS: Ena komma prepei panta na einai se etoimothta. Kai prepei oi mhxanismoi enos kommatos, molonoti egw den milw ek meroys toy kommatos, kai fantazomai oti ayto isxyei gia ola ta megala kommata, prepei na diathroyn ekeinoys toys mhxanismoys oi opoioi einai aparaithtoi gia thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia toys.

ARMENHS: Molis ena mhna meta tis ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto isxyei se oles tis periodoys kai gia ola ta kommata. Egw, etsi qelw na pisteyw. Ta kommata, opws gnwrizete, einai zwntanoi organismoi oi opoioi prepei na leitoyrgoyn me oles tis parametroys.

ARMENHS: Rwtaw giati mhpws h isxnh Koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia twn 152 boyleytwn, ypagoreyei kati tetoio.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ti einai ayta poy lete; As mhn jexnate oti molis prin apo ena mhna, oloi oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias ejefrasan, opws htan fysiko allwste, thn empistosynh toys, me thn chfo empistosynhs poy paresxon sth shmerinh kybernhsh, wste na proxwrhsei sthn ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn kai twn programmatikwn mas diakhryjewn.

ROYMELIWTHS: Dhladh, kakws kapoia stelexh to eklambanoyn ws mhnyma pros toys diafwnoyntes; To gegonos oti koryfaia stelexh toy kommatos eipan oti to komma brisketai hdh se eklogikh etoimothta.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, ayto einai to aytonohto.

KALARITHS: Prin ena mhna oi boyleytes edwsan chfo empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh gia na proxwrhsei thn politikh ths. To gegonos oti ena mhna meta yparxoyn polles diaforopoihseis, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas to eipa kai xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera. H Nea Dhmokratia ws komma kai h shmerinh kybernhsh poy proerxetai apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias eixe se olh ths th diadromh ena poly shmantiko xarakthristiko: Thn eleyqeria sthn ekfrash kai thn eleyqerh diatypwsh twn apocewn olwn twn stelexwn. Apoceis oi opoies ekfrazontai h katatiqentai einai pantote xrhsimes gia th Dhmokratia.

ROYMELIWTHS: O k. Polydwras einai enas apo toys boyleytes poy eixe thn eykairia prosfata na synanthsei kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Exei metaferei kapoia dysareskeia gia stelexh ths paratajhs; Giati to Sabbatokyriako plhroforoymaste oti exei paraxwrhsei dyo synenteyjeis se efhmerides, askei sklhrh kritikh kai yposthrizei oti kapoioi ton ejwqoyn na fygei apo to komma.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia.

GARGALAKOS: Ena meizon qema kai problhma, opws einai to Asfalistiko, prokeimenoy na syzhthqei oysiastika, xreiazetai na emfanistoyn ta dedomena toy problhmatos wste apo ekei kai pera na anazhthqoyn ta zhtoymena. Kai ta dedomena, opws lene, oxi mono paragontes ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai ths eyryterhs antipoliteyshs, alla kai koinwnikoi paragontes, einai to ycos toy elleimmatos poy yparxei sto asfalistiko systhma, oi analogistikes meletes h kai meta tayta me antikeimenika krithria na mporei kaneis na brei to (den akoygetai) genesqai. Giati h kybernhsh odhgeitai kai odhgei se ena tyflo dialogo poy hdh katalhgei se nayagio, apo o,ti blepw;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy to symperainete ayto;

GARGALAKOS: Giati hdh eixan apoxwrhseis apo th Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poion;

GARGALAKOS: Apo olh thn antipoliteysh.

ANTWNAROS: Foboymai oti sas exoyn jeperasei ta gegonota.

GARGALAKOS: Eiqe.

ANTWNAROS: Alla, qa hqela na sas pw to ejhs: Aytoi oi isxyrismoi kai ta epixeirhmata poy diatypwse --efoson anaferomaste sta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, egw as perioristw ston ekproswpo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs-- oti efyge xqes apo th syzhthsh, giati dhqen den syzhthqhkan qemata oysias, ta epixeirhmata loipon ayta kai ewla einai kai asthrikta kai abasima. Gia ena poly aplo logo: Den htan kan programmatismenh, xqes, syzhthsh gia qemata oysias. Antikeimeno ths xqesinhs synedriashs htan kaqara diadikastika qemata kai malista na sas ta sympyknwsw se dyo shmeia, dhladh ti qa syzhthqei kai me poia seira. O dialogos gia na einai apotelesmatikos kai na odhghsei ekei poy oloi qeloyme, dhladh na breqoyn lyseis gia ena systhma poy nosei, poy exei megala problhmata --to exei pei kai o k. Magginas-- prepei na einai me mia sygkekrimenh seira. Oloi osoi mporoyn kai qeloyn na syneisferoyn idees, apoceis, protaseis, einai kalodexoymenoi. H kybernhsh oyte exei thn proqesh, oyte prokeitai na apokrycei opoiodhpote stoixeio. Asfalws kai qa erqoyn ola ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn, molis arxisei h oysiastikh syzhthsh gia to qema sthn Epitroph pros syzhthsh. Kai ta elleimmata kai oi anagkes gia xrhmatodothsh, ola ayta ta stoixeia qa erqoyn. Alla, h xqesinh syzhthsh htan kaqara diadikastikh. Kai foboymai oti orismenoi biazontai. Den ennow esas.

GARGALAKOS: Qa paroysiasei h kybernhsh protaseis;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei paroysiasei protaseis. Kai as kanoyn orismenoi oti den yparxoyn aytes oi protaseis. Sas parapempw...

GARGALAKOS: Oi protaseis apartizontai apo mh, oti den qa ginei ayto, den qa ginei ekeino, den qa ginei to allo. Ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Sas parapempw, gia mia akomh fora, sta osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sthn teleytaia Synodo ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias prin apo tis ekloges, opoy o idios paroysiase toys ajones poy proteinei h Nea Dhmokratia kai h shmerinh kybernhsh. Ajones, basei twn opoiwn, kata thn protash ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, prepei na organwqei h syzhthsh. Loipon, einai gnwsta ayta ta shmeia.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw gia kati allo. Ekpneei to xroniko orio poy exei doqei gia thn efarmogh ths koinotikhs odhgias poy afora sta epaggelmatika dikaiwmata apofoitwn Kentrwn Eleyqerwn Spoydwn, ta opoia einai pararthmata eyrwpaikwn panepisthmiwn. Egw exw na apeyqynw dyo erwthmata: Prwton, ti protiqetai na kanei h xwra mas, dhladh na efarmosei thn odhgia h na zhthsei nea paratash. Kai deyteron, pws twra ayta ta Kentra leitoyrgoyn ypo ton elegxo toy palaioy Ypoyrgeioy Emporioy. Qa synexistei ayto to kaqestws h qa ypaxqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na kanw mia-dyo diapistwseis panw se ayto to qema: Prwton, h xwra mas, h Ellada, safws exei thn proqesh --kai ayto to apodeiknyei synexws sthn prajh-- na enarmonizei th nomoqesia ths stis koinotikes odhgies. Deyteron, h Ellada, omws, xrhsimopoiei to eqniko ths Dikaio, prokeimenoy na elegxei thn poiothta ths parexomenhs Paideias. Ayto qa prajei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh thn opoia anaferete. Gia perissoteres plhrofories epi toy qematos poy einai poly eidiko, sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos fainetai na mhn epiqymei ayjhsh toy FPA symfwna me shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma efhmeridas, to opoio kanei logo kai gia synnefa stis sxeseis Majimoy kai Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias.

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas;

KAKALHS: Pws to sxoliazete; Isxyei kati tetoio; Oti o Prwqypoyrgos den epiqymei ayjhsh toy FPA kat` arxhn kai ean yparxoyn kai synnefa.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai giati eklambanete plhrofories, oi opoies anagrafontai stis efhmerides, ws apoceis h qeseis ths kybernhshs. Gia to qema toy FPA, opws sas eipa kai xqes kai gia alla synafh qemata, topoqethqhke ektenws o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs, proxqes, sth synenteyjh poy edwse.

KAKALHS: Amfisbhteite oti h ``Kaqhmerinh'', h sygkekrimenh efhmerida poy anaferontai ayta, grafei sygkekrimenes plhrofories h grafei apo toy kefalioy ths;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa se erwthma poy moy eteqh pro oligoy. Isxyei h apanthsh moy.

KAKALHS: Amfisbhteite thn ajiopistia ths efhmeridas kai thn egkyrothta ths; Ayto lew.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den amfisbhtw oyte thn ajiopistia, oyte thn eyxereia, oyte thn eleyqeria poy exei opoiodhpote MME h opoiosdhpote dhmosiografos na diatypwnei apoceis h plhrofories poy exei. Egw, omws, topoqetoymai apo thn allh pleyra se erwthmata poy moy tiqentai, sygkekrimena, me sygkekrimeno tropo.

KAKALHS: Poy apodidete to shmerino mparaz prwtoselidwn titlwn kai dhmosieymatwn gia tis eswkommatikes diaforopoihseis sth Nea Dhmokratia; Exoyn kapoia bash h isxyei to allo poy grafei prwtoselida, epishs, filokybernhtikh efhmerida, oti xtypoyn th Nea Dhmokratia gia na jexastei h krish sto PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia dhmosieymata efhmeridwn.

ARMENHS: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn twn Skopiwn, apo to Londino, epikalesthke to arqro 11 ths endiameshs Symfwnias, gia na yposthrijei oti h Ellada den mporei na qesei beto sthn entajh twn Skopiwn sto NATO. Pws to sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh qesh gia to sygkekrimeno qema einai gnwsth. Exei diatypwqei epaneilhmmena kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Symplhrwmatika lew, kai enhmerwtika gia esas, oti h plhrhs anaptyjh ths jekaqarhs ellhnikhs qeshs sto sygkekrimeno qema egine apo thn Ypoyrgo k. Mpakogiannh sth synenteyjh ths poy dhmosieyqhke se efhmerida, thn perasmenh Kyriakh.

MPESKENHS: Ean moy epitrepete, na epanelqoyme ligaki sto qema twn feromenwn ws diafwnoyntwn. Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ean ayth h dhmosia dysareskeia poy ekfrazetai apo kapoia stelexh mporei na metaferqei kai sth Boylh se periptwsh chfishs nomosxediwn k.t.l.;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqw na mhn mporw na symmeristw mazi sas tis diatypwseis poy eseis xrhsimopoieite. H ekfrash apocewn, h diatypwsh apocewn, einai dikaiwma ths eleyqerias toy logoy poy diaqetei kaqe boyleyths.

ROYMELIWTHS: Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos, o opoios metakinhqhke prosfata apo to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, ekane logo gia ``trwktika poy lymainontai ta Tameia''. Ean den kanw laqos, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai na proteinei se osoys exoyn stoixeia na pane sth Dikaiosynh. To eipan ayto kai ston k. Giannopoylo otan...

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio gia dhlwseis opoioydhpote stelexoys. Qa sas parakaloysa mono na diabasete tis dhlwseis ep` akribws opws exoyn ginei kai qa sas synistoysa enqermws na to kanete.

MELIGKWNHS: Mporeite k. Ekproswpe na mas ejhghsete pws ajiologei h kybernhsh tis antoxes ths koinwnias, efoson o idios o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti qa proxwrhsoyn oi allages oso antexei h koinwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio xreiazetai h koinwnia einai na ejeyreqei h koinh synistamenh olwn twn protasewn, olwn twn eishghsewn, olwn twn idewn, oi opoies katatiqentai kai fantazomai oti qa katateqoyn kai sto epomeno diasthma sto trapezi, wste na anaqewrhqei, na prosarmostei to asfalistiko mas systhma se ena baqos xronoy. Na einai dikaio, na einai biwsimo kai na ejasfalizei se oloys toys Ellhnes, poy kapoia stigmh qa teleiwsoyn ekeinh thn periodo ths zwhs toys poy doyleyoyn kai qa bgoyn sth syntajh, oso to dynaton kalyteres apolabes. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno. Kai h kybernhsh ayth exei apodeijei se oles tis periptwseis poy xeiristhke shmantika qemata, oikonomika, koinwnika  ta lew ayta giati aforoyn oloys mas-- ton hpio, logiko, syneto tropo, me ton opoio ta proseggizei.

PERDIKARHS: Na epanelqw ligo sto qema toy periballontos. O armodios koinotikos Epitropos k. Dhmas, poy tyxainei na einai kai Ellhnas, exei milhsei gia to gegonos oti h Ellada einai h monh xwra sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy den exei aytonomo Ypoyrgeio Periballontos. Apo osa gnwrizw, o k. Soyflias eixe pei se anypopto xrono, se kapoia synedriash ths armodias Epitrophs sth Boylh, oti den syntrexei kapoios logos. Symmerizetai h kybernhsh akomh kai shmera oti den yparxei logos na dhmioyrghqei aytonomo Ypoyrgeio Periballontos;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exoyn oi draseis poy analambanei h kybernhsh kai h apotelesmatikothta toys. Kai shmasia exei, epishs, oti pragmata poy den eixan ginei gia para polla xronia ginontai twra kai fernoyn to epiqymhto apotelesma. Dhladh, na prostateyoyme to periballon kai gia mas kai gia tis mellontikes genies.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, se qemata periballontos. H kybernhsh exei dei tis perifrajeis kai ta mpaza poy jefytrwnoyn stis ektaseis toy Ymhttoy poy kahkan to kalokairi kai den exoyn khryxqei kan anadaswtees;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti sxetika me tis anadaswseis, se aytes tis periptwseis, h kybernhsh einai ameilikth. Ep` aytoy toy qematos, den exei kaneis na prosacei kati sthn kybernhsh. Oi ektaseis poy kaigontai, anakhryssontai xwris xronotribh anadaswtees kai opoy yphrxe dasos, janaginetai dasos.

KAKALHS: Ayta einai logia. Sthn prajh den to exete kanei akoma. Giati kai sthn Parnhqa, me to Kazino, pali eixan ekei paraxwrhqei ektaseis kai sth Rafhna, an den kanw laqos, eixan ktistei sta kamena.

ANTWNAROS: Moy fainetai oti mplekete qemata ta opoia den exoyn sxesh to ena me to allo.

KAKALHS: To idio pragma einai, katapathsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw.

LEONTITSH: Sto qema twn diafwnoyntwn, qa hqela na mas peite h mallon na mas prosdiorisete, an mesa sto plaisio ths eleyqerhs ekfrashs, opws eipate, twn apocewn twn boyleytwn, mporei na entaxqei kai h topoqethsh kapoioy boyleyth h prwhn Ypoyrgoy poy leei oti ``egw den epikrotw tis qeseis ths kybernhshs gia to Asfalistiko'';

ANTWNAROS: Foboymai oti qa sas apogohteysw gia mia akomh fora, afoy den prokeitai na kanw sxolio gia kamia topoqethsh toy enos h toy alloy stelexoys. Alla qa sas kalesw kai sas na diabazete synolika kai oxi apospasmatika tis dhlwseis.

LEONTITSH: Anaferomai stis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy gia to Asfalistiko. O k. Giannopoylos, xqes, metajy allwn ejefrase kai thn apoch oti den epikrotei apokleistika oles tis qeseis ths kybernhshs gia to Asfalistiko.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa pws den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio.

LEONTITSH: Epeidh anaferqhkate kai ypainixqhkate oti den diabazoyme swsta tis dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Kai oxi apospasmatika.

MELIGKWNHS: Mia kai anaferqhkate prin sth mh leitoyrgia toy biologikoy kaqarismoy Lagkada, pro kairoy eixe kanei mia erwthsh o k. Papadhmoylhs kai eixe labei mia apanthsh apo thn k. Xoypner, symfwna me thn opoia se ayto ton katalogo poy edoqh ston k. Papadhmoylh kai sth dhmosiothta sxedon ola, an den apatwmai, ta erga twn biologikwn kaqarismwn den exoyn kaqoloy aporrofhtikothta, einai sto mhden h aporrofhtikothta toys apo thn Ellada, sxetika me to G' KPS kai to idio symbainei kai me polles alles periballontikes meletes poy h aporrofhtikothta toys einai eite antistoixa mhden, eite para poly xamhlh.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme dwsei apanthsh se ayto to qema. To erwthma exei ypoblhqei polles fores. Qa sas parapemcw sthn apanthsh thn opoia exw dwsei.

KALARITHS: Eipate nwritera oti yparxei eleyqeria ekfrashs sth Nea Dhmokratia kai oti oi diaforetikes apoceis einai kalodexoymenes, dioti symballoyn sto dialogo kai ston problhmatismo. Yparxei kata thn gnwmh ths kybernhshs ena orio sthn ekfrash ayths ths diaforetikhs endexomenws apochs kai ektimate oti oi boyleytes gnwrizoyn poia einai ayta ta oria;

ANTWNAROS: Egw pisteyw oti oi boyleytes, bebaiws, eklegomenoi apo toys Ellhnes polites, einai ypeyqyna atoma kai kinoyntai me ypeyqynothta. Den exw kanena logo na pisteyw kati diaforetiko.

XITIROGLOY: Enocei ths epikeimenhs epideinwshs toy kairoy, qa hqela na rwthsw an exoyn lhfqei metra gia thn apofygh plhmmyrwn kai se periptwsh poy prokycei problhma kapoy, an yparxei enas programmatismos.

ANTWNAROS: Hdh apo thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh paroysiasa, edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, diafora metra ta opoia exoyn lhfqei. Eyxaristws, epeidh nomizw oti den hsastan edw, na sas ta dwsw.

KAKALHS: Sto Asfalistiko na epanelqw. Twra, opws qa eidate kai eseis xqes ta stoixeia, exei pesei katakoryfa to prosdokimo zwhs. Mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai na epanejetasei to zhthma twn oriwn hlikias oxi pros ta panw, alla pros ta katw; Giati, etsi kai alliws, den qa prolaboyn oi perissoteroi na ftasoyn sth syntajh;

ANTWNAROS: Me dramatiko tropo paroysiasate mia ypotiqemenh ejelijh ths zwhs sth xwra mas.

KAKALHS: Makari na htan qema mono paroysiashs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PERDIKARHS: Sto qema pali toy Asfalistikoy. Den qa sas rwthsw oyte gia to prosdokimo, oyte gia ta oria hlikias. Eipate xqes, se ayth thn aiqoysa, oti osoi prokalesoyn to nayagio feroyn thn eyqynh kai oti osoi apoxwroyn apo to dialogo to kanoyn giati den exoyn idees. Prin apo ligo, omws, se sxetikh erwthsh synadelfoy apanthsate oti ta gegonota mas exoyn jeperasei kai oti osoi qeloyn na syneisferoyn protaseis einai kalodexoymenoi.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, panta.

PERDIKARHS: Rixnete gefyres pros thn pleyra poy apoxwrise;

ANTWNAROS: Twra tolmw na pw, epeidh den hsaste synexws sthn enhmerwsh tis teleytaies treis ebdomades poy ginetai enhmerwsh, den exete ypoch sas oti toso o k. Roysopoylos, oso kai egw, leme synexws to idio pragma. Den kleinei kamia porta gia opoion exei fygei, ean qelei na gyrisei h an qelei na ypoballei protaseis. Exoyme pei oti kai ta kommata kai oi koinwnikoi etairoi oi opoioi exoyn klhqei na laboyn meros sto dialogo, einai kalodexoymenoi na ypoballoyn tis protaseis toys, na poyn tis idees toys kai na einai parontes. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno.

MELIGKWNHS: Entelei, exete na mas peite kati sxetika me thn analogistikh meleth; H kybernhsh jerei ayth th stigmh poy brisketai to problhma; Exei paraggelqei kapoia meleth; Thn exete sta xeria sas;

ANTWNAROS: Opws me plhroforhse shmera to prwi o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Basilhs Magginas, eftasan arga xqes to brady sta xeria toy ta tmhmata ekeina ths analogistikhs meleths toy Dieqnoys Grafeioy Ergasias poy anaferontai sto IKA kai ston OGA. Dhladh, ta dyo shmantikotera tmhmata, afoy kalyptoyn toys dyo megalyteroys asfalistikoys organismoys sth xwra mas. Sas ypenqymizw oti h en logw meleth zhthqhke --h epejergasia ayths ths meleths-- apo thn anejarthth Analogistikh Arxh ths xwras mas. H meleth, sas lew plhroforiaka, einai syntetagmenh sthn agglikh glwssa. Prokeitai gia dieqnh Organismo poy thn exei syntajei. Exei arxisei hdh h metafrash ths sta ellhnika. Ypologizetai oti h metafrash qa oloklhrwqei poly syntoma.

KAKALHS: Pote qa thn paroyme;

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos k. Magginas, opws me enhmerwse, qa dwsei to metafrasmeno keimeno ths meleths sta kommata kai toys koinwnikoys etairoys poy exoyn klhqei na metasxoyn sto dialogo, molis oloklhrwqei h metafrash. Ayto piqano na ginei kai th Deytera.

KAKALHS: Xamenoi sth metafrash einai ekei sto Ypoyrgeio;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena keimeno poy asfalws anagnwrizete oti periexei para polloys texnikoys kai eidikoys oroys. Den nomizw oti einai polys o xronos mexri thn arxh --to argotero lew mexri thn arxh-- ths erxomenhs ebdomadas.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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