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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-10-29

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 29 Oktwbrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 166901002

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Oktwbrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

" Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy eixe qema syzhthshs th dieqnh oikonomikh katastash kaqws kai tis yparktes kai endexomenes epiptwseis poy exei ayth h krish sth xwra mas. Egine enhmerwsh stoys dhmosiografoys apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfh, amesws meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Stis dhlwseis aytes sas parapempw.

" Ayrio, Pempth, stis 10:30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy, me thn Aytoy Panagiothta, ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh k. Barqolomaio.

" Ayrio to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apeyqynei xairetismo sto Synedrio ths Dieqnoys Diafaneias poy diejagetai sthn Aqhna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph elhfqhsan sygkekrimenes apofaseis gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

FANIDHS: Prin apo ligo to PASOK, mesw toy k. Xrysoxoidh, apokalese aparadekto to metro enisxyshs twn trapezwn me ta 28 disekatommyria eyrw, dioti den diasfalizetai apo to kratos kanenas elegxos sth diaqesh aytoy toy posoy apo ta pistwtika idrymata. Egw hqela na rwthsw ean ontws yparxei diasfalish ston elegxo aytwn twn trapezwn.

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na kanw orismenes dieykriniseis: Prwton, den diatiqentai ayta ta xrhmata, dhladh ayto to poso twn 28 disekatommyriwn eyrw stis trapezes. Qa sas parakalesw na anatrejete stis anakoinwseis tis opoies eixe kanei, otan eprokeito na katateqei to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio sth Boylh, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, opoy anelyse peri tinos akribws prokeitai. Ena poso mexri pente disekatommyria eyrw, problepetai na diateqei se oses trapezes to zhthsoyn, to xreiastoyn gia enisxysh ths kefalaiakhs toys bashs. Ta ypoloipa posa, dhladh ta ypoloipa 23 disekatommyria eyrw, prokeitai gia eggyhseis, gia omologa kai gia alloys tropoys oi opoioi dinontai akribws gia na enisxyqei h reystothta sto synolo ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Gia na wfelhqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai kyriws ekeinoi oi opoioi exoyn th megalyterh anagkh: Oi mikromesaioi, poy opws eipa kai alles fores apoteloyn th raxokokalia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, oi agrotes mas, oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn parei stegastika daneia kai osoi xreiazontai mia synexh roh xrhmatos, prokeimenoy na synexisoyn na diathroyn tis mikres toys epixeirhseis, na mporoyn na synthroyn oti exoyn sthsei sth zwh toys. Se kamia periptwsh --giati blepw oti ginetai ayth h paranohsh para tis dieykriniseis poy exoyn dwsei kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai egw apo ayto to bhma-- den prokeitai gia posa ta opoia qa diateqoyn apo kapoio Tameio ths kybernhshs sta tameia twn trapezwn. Prokeitai gia ena programma sygkekrimeno me asfaleis kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh prodiagrafes, poy stoxeyei se ena kai monadiko pragma: Th reystothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, kai th diasfalish qesewn ergasias apo thn opoia qa wfelhqoyn kai h xwra mas ws synolo, alla kyriws oi polites ths. Kai to deytero sto opoio qelw na staqw, epeidh me rwthsate: Mia anagnwsh twn nomoqetikwn ryqmisewn poy briskontai sto trapezi, nomizw den qa afhne kamia apolytws amfibolia gia th diasfalish. Aytes oi wres einai wres ypeyqynothtas, ypeyqynoy logoy sygkekrimenwn qesewn kai oxi twn diakhryjewn poy me perissh aneyqynothta kanei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ap` o,ti moy eipate, me parapemcate ston k. Alogoskoyfh. Pera apo to tameio twn 28 dis. elhfqhsan kai alla metra pros thn kateyqynsh ths enisxyshs twn oikonomika asqenesterwn; An elhfqhsan apofaseis genikotera.

ANTWNAROS: H anafora poy ekana einai apolytws safhs. Ayto to sygkekrimeno programma stoxeyei se ena poly aplo pragma: Sthn enisxysh toy synoloy ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai sthn amblynsh endexomenwn koinwnikwn synepeiwn apo th dieqnh krish, h opoia gnwrizete oti brisketai se ejelijh. Den einai kati to opoio egine xqes kai teleiwse. Einai kati to opoio synexizetai. Oi prospaqeies poy ginontai se ayto akribws katateinoyn: Na dinoyme lyseis. Oysiastikes lyseis, apotelesmatikes lyseis me tis opoies  den qa hqela na xrhsimopoihsw th lejh qa wfeloyntai, dioti otan yparxoyn problhmata den einai isws o katallhloteros oros-- qa meiwnontai, qa apalynontai, qa ejaleifontai se polles periptwseis oi dysarestes synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs gia toys Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: Otan rwthsa ean elhfqhsan apofaseis peran apo aytes poy aforoyn to poso twn 28 dis., epeidh...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai gnwsto, den einai kati poy apofasisthke shmera.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, epeidh akoysthkan xqes diafores apoceis, gia paradeigma dhladh oti qa mporoyse na parei thn morfh epidomatikhs enisxyshs twn oikonomika asqenesterwn h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, oti qa mporoyse na yparjei kai alloy eidoys morfh enisxyshs twn oikonomika asqenesterwn mesw toy Tameioy Kata ths Ftwxeias, dhladh akoysthkan polla perissotera pragmata, pera apo ayto poy leme gia to tameio twn 28 dis. kai toy...

ANTWNAROS: Pantws den akoysthkan apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Qa elega de oti osoi diaspeiroyn diafores asthriktes plhrofories, den qa prepei na to kanoyn, dioti se mia tetoia poly lepth katastash h plhroforhsh qa prepei na einai --opws eipa-- ypeyqynh kai me sygkekrimena stoixeia. Opoia sygkekrimena stoixeia exw, na eiste bebaioi oti qa sas ta dinw.

TSIOYFOS: Den exw akoysei tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh, dieykrinish einai, katarxhn...

ANTWNAROS: An qelete na sas tis diabasw.

TSIOYFOS: Katarxhn, apo to prwi, yphrxan kapoies plhrofories, den jerw an anaferosastan prin se aytes, poy elegan oti h kybernhsh ejetazei na dwsei mia epipleon syntajh stoys xamhlosyntajioyxoys, na parateinei gia enan akomh xrono to epidoma stoys makroxronia anergoys. Se ayta anafereste oti htan fhmes oi opoies den doqhkan apo thn kybernhsh; Dieykrinish zhtw.

ANTWNAROS: Oi fhmes oi opoies anagrafontai h oi eikasies, an protimate, oi opoies anagrafontai ston Typo, den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Sto kratiko kanali, me sygxwreite, paizontan ayta.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Egw gnwrizw mia dhlwsh thn opoia ekane proxqes h k. Petralia. Eipe oti meletwntai kai bebaiws ginontai antikeimeno epejergasias, oles oi dynates synepeies poy mporei na exei h krish sto koinwniko epipedo. Ayto poy sas eipa kai egw epishs proxqes. H shmerinh kybernhsh, egkairws, entopise thn yparjh ths krishs, otan kapoioi alloi se ayth th xwra kwfeyan kai ekanan oti den yphrxe tipote. Kai eixan to perisso qrasos na isxyrizontai oti h kybernhsh epikaleito th dieqnh oikonomikh krish gia na apospasei thn prosoxh twn Ellhnwn politwn, gia na to pw etsi apla. Kai thn anakalycan me megalh kaqysterhsh. Emeis stekomaste apenanti ston Ellhna polith me apolyth eilikrineia. H oikonomikh krish yparxei, ejelissetai, thn parakoloyqoyme apo konta, oxi ws qeates --gia na mhn parejhghqw-- alla ws energoi polites kai ypeyqyna politika proswpa poy exoyme thn ypoxrewsh na laboyme ola ekeina ta metra poy apaitoyntai wste na meiwsoyme, na elafrynoyme tis epiptwseis ayths ths krishs gia th xwra mas. Gnwrizete, allwste, oti o Prwqypoyrgos, se ola ta stadia ths krishs --h opoia epanalambanw den einai mono eyrwpaikh, einai dieqnhs krish-- metexei energa, me apofasistiko rolo, me idees, me protaseis, opoy ginontai synanthseis se dieqnes epipedo. Kai qa to kanei kai thn erxomenh ebdomada stis Bryjelles, opoy qa symmetasxei sthn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs gia thn opoia exei kalesei toys 27 hgetes twn kratwn  melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs o Gallos Proedros k. Sarkozi toy opoioy h xwra, opws gnwrizete, exei kata th diarkeia aytoy toy ejamhnoy thn Proedria toy Symboylioy.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw an ektos apo thn Qatar Airways, exoyn katateqei kai alles protaseis endiaferoyses gia thn Olympiakh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa eipa th Deytera gi` ayto to qema.

MIXAHL: Anoijate dyo  tria zhthmata poy xrhzoyn dieykrinishs. Gia paradeigma, poioi einai aytoi poy diaspeiroyn aytes tis idees tis opoies h kybernhsh den tis exei diaspeirei, opws mas eipate, dedomenoy oti h kybernhsh, eipate, den tis exei pei. Rwtaw egw, poioi mporei na einai aytoi; Dioti an htan h antipoliteysh, h antipoliteysh den mporei na diaspeirei eidhseis, mallon fhmes kai eikasies, opws eipate, tis opoies h idia den einai se qesh... Mporei na tis isxyrizetai, alla den mporei na tis ekplhrwsei gia logariasmo ths kybernhshs. Ara, loipon, kapoioi apo thn kybernhsh h kapoioi apo thn Koinoboyleytikh sas Omada qa prepei na diespeiran aytes tis fhmes. (Den akoygetai) den to ekane.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den prokeitai na kanw ereyna twn phgwn sas. Ayto einai diko sas qema. Kai prepei na jeroyn --oxi eseis proswpika, osoi anaferontai se plhrofories-- poso ajiopistes einai oi phges tis opoies xrhsimopoioyn.

MIXAHL: Malista. To deytero poy qelw na rwthsw, anaferate pws h kybernhsh eixe diapistwsei thn krish otan alloi kwfeyan.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

MIXAHL: Afoy legate oti h oikonomia parei para poly kala, oti antexei h ellhnikh oikonomia. Oti h ellhnikh oikonomia den exei problhma. To eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai sth Qessalonikh. To eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai kata thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy, prin peripoy 20 hmeres. Parola ayta, mas lete oti diapistwnete thn krish. Telika ti isxyei; Paei kala h oikonomia h yparxei krish;

ANTWNAROS: Den ftaiw egw, ean exete dyskolia na katalabete. Ekeino, omws, to opoio qa hqela na sas pw, einai na diabasete oloklhrh thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Qessalonikh, thn opoia epikaleiste, prokeimenoy na diapistwsete kati aplo to opoio sas exw pei kat` epanalhch kai qa to pw gia mia akomh fora: H dieqnhs oikonomikh krish - -kai epimenw oti htan h kybernhsh h opoia prwth bghke mprosta ston ellhniko lao, stoys Ellhnes polites kai milhse gi` ayth thn krish- - einai yparkth. H dieqnhs ayth krish deixnei omws kai kati allo: Oti ta qemelia ta opoia mphkan ta perasmena xronia, apodeiknyoyn oti h ellhnikh oikonomia exei antoxes. Antimetwpizei problhmata, epityxws ennow, ta opoia se alles xwres exoyn odhghsei se poly megalyteres anatarajeis. Kai enw egw qa hmoyn o teleytaios anqrwpos o opoios qa hqela na prodikasw thn ejelijh mias krishs, h opoia exei ena dynamiko xarakthra, den einai kati to opoio exei oloklhrwqei - -sas to eipa kai eisagwgika- - den qa hqela na aposiwphsw ayth th diapistwsh: Oti dhladh h ellhnikh oikonomia, an qelete kai logw toy xarakthros ths, twn domwn ths, antimetwpizei me sxetikh epityxia tis epiptwseis ths dieqnoys krishs. Mias krishs, to lew gia mia akomh fora, poy einai se plhrh ejelijh.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, synedriase shmera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia na syzhthsei tropoys antimetwpishs ths krishs. Kai meta to telos ths, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias dhlwse oti briskomaste mprosta se mia poly megalh krish. Den apanta sto erwthma, an h kybernhsh qewrei oti mporei na lhfqoyn nea metra gia th sthrijh twn asqenesterwn tajewn h oti den mporei dioti den to epitrepei h dhmosionomikh katastash ths xwras. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei; Yparxoyn nea metra poy qa lhfqoyn h den yparxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph synedriase shmera gia na syzhthsei thn trexoysa katastash, tis teleytaies ejelijeis kai, an qelete, na dei to kata poso osa exoyn symbei ephreazoyn thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai poioi endexomenws qa einai oi epomenoi staqmoi ayths ths krishs. Egw den eipa tipote apo ayto poy eipate eseis eisagwgika sthn erwthsh sas. Sas eipa oti synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai asxolhqhke me th dieqnh oikonomikh krish kai tis epiptwseis poy exei, mexri stigmhs, sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Den prepei na ginontai aytes oi synedriaseis; H krish einai synexhs. Ejelissetai. Dhladh, egine mia syzhthsh thn perasmenh ebdomada kai h shmerinh den prepei na ginei; Den prepei na janaginei thn allh ebdomada;

KAKALHS: Poy katelhje; O ellhnikos laos den exei dikaiwma na maqei poy katelhje h Kybernhtikh Epitroph; Tis krataei mono gia ton eayto ths;

ANTWNAROS: Ejetazoyme thn krish.

KAKALHS: Gia ton eayto sas to kanete ayto, san kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas diabasw tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh, gia na exete sfairikh eikona.

KAKALHS: Den xreiazetai na mas tis diabasete. Den sas zhthsa na moy tis diabasete, exw sygkekrimenes erwthseis gi` ayto. Den xreiazetai na mas diabasete tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KAKALHS: Hqela na rwthsw, eipate sthn arxh, oti enisxysate tis trapezes gia na wfelhqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes, aytos htan o skopos...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti o skopos ths enisxyshs toy paketoy htan na wfelhqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, stoxos toy paketoy eipa, kai ekana kai mia analysh toy paketoy...

KAKALHS: Entajei.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai to oysiastiko stoixeio. Dioti eimai bebaios oti osoi qeloyn na to parablecoyn, qa ejakoloyqhsoyn na grafoyn oti 28 disekatommyria eyrw phgan stis trapezes, enw den phgan 28 disekatommyria eyrw...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai). Ekei phgan. Apo poy ta brhke to kratos kai pane ekei; Poy pane mallon ta lefta ayta; Poy pane, me sygxwreite. Den einai omologa ta opoia an sto telos den mporesei na ta plhrwsei to kratos, qa ta plhrwsoyn oi polites, mallon emeis; Ara, stis trapezes den pane;

ANTWNAROS: Th lejh ``eggyhseis'' thn antilambaneste;

KAKALHS: Oi eggyhseis pws dinontai; Sto onoma toy ellhnikoy laoy kai aytos qa ta plhrwsei sto telos.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeimenoy sth dyskolh diatrapezikh agora, h opoia yfistatai ayth th stigmh dieqnws, gia na sas to pw apla, na mporoyn na daneistoyn oi trapezes kai na dwsoyn daneia ston mikromesaio Ellhna epixeirhmatia, ston Ellhna o opoios qelei na agorasei ena spiti, na parei ena stegastiko daneio, eggyatai to ellhniko Dhmosio. Den dinei lefta to ellhniko Dhmosio.

KAKALHS: Wraia. Ayto to katalabainei o ellhnikos laos. Ayto poy lete, an isxyei, oti den diatiqentai ta lefta stis trapezes, alla diatiqentai ston ellhniko lao. Ayto mas lete, dhladh. An den ta dinete stis trapezes, poy ta dinete ta 28 disekatommyria; Telos pantwn, den qa syzhtoyme ta aytonohta. Egw qelw na rwthsw, oi trapezes stis opoies dinete ayta ta xrhmata, opws to ennoeite opws ta dinete, eite me eggyhseis eite ktl, to prwto poy kanane einai oti den dexontai na diekperaiwsoyn ta daneia toy Organismoy Ergatikhs Katoikias. To jerete; Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh apenanti se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diasfaliseis, oi opoies einai katagegrammenes...

KAKALHS: H Eqnikh eipe oxi, den dexomai. Ti qa kanete gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diasfaliseis, o opoies einai katagegrammenes sto ypo syzhthsh nomosxedio. Kai ektos toytoy, thn epopteia gia th leitoyrgia twn trapezwn - -mh jexnate oti to Dhmosio qa einai mesa sta Dioikhtika symboylia, ayto to lew dieykrinistika- - oi opoies qa metasxoyn se ayto to programma, qa thn exei h Trapeza ths Ellados.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh, den exei kai politikh eyqynh gi` ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Ayto to nomosxedio einai ths kybernhshs, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Exoyme kanei oles tis diasfaliseis, o opoies xreiazontai prokeimenoy ta lefta na piasoyn topo. Ayto einai to antikeimeno.

KAKALHS: Wraia. Ti qa kanete gia ta 5 disekatommyria elleimma poy yparxei sta asfalistika Tameia, ta opoia logw twn ependysewn ta opoia eseis enqarrynate se metoxes kai omologa, exoyn hdh logistikh zhmia 5 disekatommyria. Gia na mhn metatrapei se pragmatikh, ti qa kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Monos sas to eipate. Einai logistikh zhmia, logistikh qesh.

KAKALHS: H erwthsh einai, ti qa ginei gia na mhn ginei pragmatikh; Ama xreiastoyn na reystopoihsoyn ti qa kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Den xreiazetai na reystopoihsoyn, dioti opws gnwrizete, to kratos basei toy Syntagmatos, h Politeia eggyatai oles tis syntajeis. Sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws. Oson afora thn katabolh twn syntajewn einai eggyhmenes. Mhn prospaqeite loipon aney logoy kai aitias, ekei poy den yparxei apolytws kamia tetoia aformh, na dhmioyrgeite anasfaleia stoys syntajioyxoys.

KAKALHS: Tis syntajeis tis eggyatai. Ta apoqematika ta eggyatai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na teleiwsw.

KAKALHS: Ta apoqematika kai ta diaqesima twn Tameiwn ta eggyatai h kybernhsh; Ayto einai to erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Eggyatai oles tis syntajeis. Synepws, den tiqetai qema na mhn katablhqoyn oi syntajeis kai ta epidomata se oloys toys dikaioyxoys. Ola ta alla einai aney basews.

MANH: Basei olwn aytwn poy eipate prin kyrie Ekproswpe, gia thn antimetwpish twn epiptwsewn ths oikonomikhs krishs, h kybernhsh yioqetei, h telos pantwn, ti apoch exei gia th qesh poy ejefrase xqes sto radiofwniko staqmo CITY o k. Mhtsotakhs, oti se periodoys krisewn, ta kekthmena den einai oyte iera oyte aparabiasta.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy sas exw pei: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw dhlwseis toy epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias.

MIXAHL: O k. Mhtsotakhs dhlwse kai kati allo. Eipe, oti oles oi kybernhseis pantote, exoyn problhmata, kamia den einai teleia, den yparxei tetoia kybernhsh kai an telos pantwn mia kybernhsh ean einai anagkh h xwra na kybernhqei, ean den einai dynaton, kalytera na mhn exoyn akybernhsia, alla as erqei kybernhsh isxyrh, estw kai toy antipaloy. Ayto ermhneythke apo polloys, oti o k. Mhtsotakhs mprosta stis piqanes politikes ejelijeis, protimaei staqeres kybernhseis akomh kai apo to xwro ths antipoliteyshs. Eseis, qelete na sxoliasete kati tetoio h isxyei h apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. H shmerinh kybernhsh einai para poly staqerh.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Ntaniel Frint kalese ta Skopia na apodexqoyn thn teleytaia desmh metrwn toy k. Nimits. To sxolio ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, pera apo to na epanalabw gia mia akomh fora, th gnwsth staqerh qesh mas sto qema ths ejeyreshs onomasias gia th geitonikh xwra. Emeis me epoikodomhtiko pneyma proserxomaste se oles tis syzhthseis, oi opoies ginontai apo to mesolabhth toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete dyo syntomes erwthseis. H prwth einai, efoson h oikonomikh krish diarkei kai h kybernhsh th blepei kai thn antimetwpizei, thn exei diapistwsei kai thn antimetwpizei. H koinwnia h kai politikoi ths foreis, pws qa antilhfqoyn to jeperasma ths h to oti den mas exei aggijei oso prepei, oso mallon alles xwres; Qa to antilhfqei me tajeis megeqwn, qa to antilhfqei me kapoio ameso ofelos twn politwn, qa to antilhfqei me beltiwsh toy dhmosionomikoy mas dedomenoy; Ayth einai h prwth erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina, den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na pw, otan ayth h krish jeperastei, h kybernhsh einai sigoyrh oti ta megeqh qa einai tetoia, wste na mhn aggixqoyn as poyme, akoysa foreis ths agoras na milane gia xiliades apolyseis, mesa sto epomeno xroniko diasthma. Ayto mporei na to diasfalisei h kybernhsh oti den qa symbei;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na kanw kanena sxolio gia mia dieqnh oikonomikh krish, h opoia opws sas eipa einai se ejelijh. Qa htan entelws aneyqyno ek meroys moy, na kanw probleceis gia to xroniko shmeio ejodoy apo thn krish h tis synqhkes katw apo tis opoies, qa ginei h ejodos apo thn krish, th stigmh poy oloi mas sas leme oti h krish brisketai se ejelijh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To ena einai ayto kai to deytero, mporeite na mas dwsete ena xronodiagramma pote qa apanthsoyme sthn teleytaia protash, toy k. Nimits kai an qa laboyme to dedomeno oti yphrje mia prosynennohsh me ta Skopia, ennow...

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws gi` ayto. Den exw na pw kati allo.

TSIOYFOS: H kybernhsh, pera apo ta osa gnwrizoyme mexri shmera poy qa doqoyn sto plaisio ths enisxyshs twn xamhlomisqwn kai twn xamhlosyntajioyxwn apo to Tameio Antimetwpishs ths Ftwxeias, skopeyei kapoia apo ta xrhmata ayta, ta ypoloipa 23 dis poy eipate, na ta xrhsimopoihsei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh; Skopeyei, dhladh, h kybernhsh kapoia apo ayta ta xrhmata na pane apeyqeias kai oxi mesw kapoiwn allwn stoys xamhlomisqoys kai toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite kai milate gia 23 dis.

TSIOYFOS: Ta ypoloipa lew, ta 23 dis...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai xrhmata ta opoia exei to ellhniko Dhmosio sto Tameio toy. Sas to ejhghsa gia allh mia fora. Ta perissotera ej aytwn einai eggyhseis...

TSIOYFOS: 'Ayla.

ANTWNAROS: To ellhniko Dhmosio eggyatai. Gia ta qemata toy Tameioy Koinwnikhs Synoxhs exei kanei anafores o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai exei pei oti otan einai etoimos gia to epomeno stadio, qa probei epishs se kainoyries anafores kai se leptomereies.

TSIOYFOS: Na kanw thn erwthsh katw apo ayth th dieykrinish poy kanate; Skopeyei h kybernhsh na dwsei kapoia alla xrhmata, kapoies alles bohqeies pera apo aytes poy qa anakoinwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, me ajona th dieqnh krish;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia th dieqnh krish, to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn ektakth Synodo Koryfhs qa qesei qema elastikopoihshs toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas, me dedomeno oti thn prohgoymenh fora sth Synodo Koryfhs eixe emfanistei arnhtiko, apo o,ti katalaba, apenanti se ena tetoio endexomeno kai malista htan akomh arnhtikos sto na afaireqoyn sygkekrimenes koinwnikes dapanes apo to Symfwno.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa metasxei, opws panta, energa stis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn se ayto to plaisio, dhladh sthn ektakth Synodo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Den exw na pw kati perissotero gi` ayto to qema ayth th stigmh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla oi alloi hgetes jekaqarizoyn apo thn arxh an einai yper h kata ths elastikopoihshs toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas. H kybernhsh den exei qesh apenanti se ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw se ayto to qema.

FANIDHS: Symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata, koryfaia kybernhtika stelexh exoyn arxisei epafes me megalomintiarxes. Qa hqela na rwthsw, loipon, an allazei h epikoinwniakh strathgikh ths kybernhshs meta thn paraithsh toy k. Roysopoyloy.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw pote tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata kai den qa to kanw oyte kai shmera.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa sthrijei thn protash toy k. Sarkozi na parataqei h gallikh Proedria gia ena akomh xroniko diasthma enocei ths dieqnoys krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy ayto to qema. Den qelw ayth th stigmh na desmeyqw, alla den nomizw oti exei janaginei kati tetoio.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Pantws, h Tsexia poy akoloyqei den exei eyrw. Den yparxoyn ta idia dedomena.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Einai ena qema gia to opoio mporw na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw. Den exw stoixeia gi` ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh einai poly staqerh, me dedomeno oti perasame ena qyellwdes dimhno poy koryfwqhke me thn paraithsh toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias Qeodwroy Roysopoyloy, sto diasthma ayto to PASOK qa legame oti phre to probadisma stis dhmoskophseis apenanti sth Nea Dhmokratia. Ti perimenei twra pia apo ta gkalop h Nea Dhmokratia; Den exei kapoia prosdokia h Nea Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, ws gnwston, yparxonta gkalop ta opoia kata kairoys moy paroysiazete. Perimenete apo emena na sxoliasw tis anamenomenes dhmoskophseis;

PALAIOLOGOS: Me olo to qarros, epitrecte moy, den katalabate thn erwthsh. Eipa an prosdokate kati apo ta gkalop, den sas eipa na sxoliasete gkalop poy den yparxei. Sas eqesa ena dedomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Emeis metriomaste me thn pragmatikh doyleia thn opoia kanoyme ws kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto, pws qa qelate na emfanistei, na apotypwqei sta gkalop; Ayth einai h erwthsh moy.

ANTWNAROS: Metriomaste me th doyleia mas. Oi sfygmometrhseis aplws katagrafoyn staseis mias dedomenhs stigmhs.

FANIDHS: Sas exei ekfrasei thn proqesh toy na apoxwrhsei apo th qesh toy Proedroy ths ERT o k. Panagopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Allwste, speydw na pw oti den eimai politikos Proistamenos toy k. Panagopoyloy. Alla den exw ypoch moy kamia tetoia proqesh. Parakalw gi` ayto to qema na apeyqynqeite ston Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn k. Prokoph Paylopoylo.

MIXAHL: Eftase sta xeria ths armodias Arxhs gia thn patajh kai th diakinhsh mayroy xrhmatos, mia epistolh ths DAKE Qessalonikhs, thn opoia malista kateqese h antipoliteysh, opoy ferontai na apeyqynontai ston Prwqypoyrgo kai na lene oti sygkekrimena proswpa poy exoyn stenh sxesh mazi toy sth Qessalonikh enexontai, kata thn ektimhsh toys, se diafores paratypes, paranomes energeies, oikonomikes atasqalies. Exete ypoch sas to gegonos kai en pash periptwsei ti sxoliazete eseis gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy to gegonos. Synepws, den prokeitai na sxoliasw kanena gegonos, kanena stoixeio to opoio eseis moy paroysiazete kai den to exw ypoch moy.

Sas eyxaristw.


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