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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-26

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 26 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 171808552

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Noembrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

" Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh sthn opoia syzhthqhkan qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy, meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, k. Xatzhgakhs proebh se dhlwseis, stis opoies kai sas parapempw.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs ayrio, Pempth, stis 12.30, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Dhmhtrh Xristofia, o opoios episkeptetai epishmws th xwra mas. Amesws meta, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei, pros timhn toy Proedroy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai twn melwn ths kypriakhs antiproswpeias, geyma ergasias sto Megaro Majimoy. Qa epakoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis sta Mesa Enhmerwshs.

" Egkainiazetai shmera Tetarth, o neos Xwros Ygeionomikhs Tafhs Aporrimmatwn toy boreiodytikoy tomea toy nomoy Qessalonikhs, sth qesh Mayroraxh toy dhmoy Laxana. Prokeitai gia ena apo ta basikotera erga diaxeirishs sterewn apoblhtwn, oxi mono sto nomo Qessalonikhs kai th Boreia Ellada, alla sthn Ellada genikotera, symfwna me ton eqniko sxediasmo diaxeirishs sterewn apoblhtwn. Ayto de to ergo apotelei, taytoxrona, kai ena apo ta plhrestera kai pio sygxrona erga diaxeirishs apoblhtwn poy xrhmatodotei to Tameio Synoxhs, toso sth xwra mas, oso kai se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

Foreas ylopoihshs toy ergoy einai o Syndesmos Organismwn Topikhs Aytodioikhshs Meizonos Qessalonikhs. O synolikos proypologismos toy ergoy anerxetai sto poso twn 33,9 ekatommyriwn eyrw. To ergo brisketai hdh apo fetos to kalokairi, apo ton Ioynio toy 2008, se dokimastikh leitoyrgia. Exei oloklhrwqei h promhqeia toy problepomenoy mhxanologikoy ejoplismoy leitoyrgias kaqws kai h syndesh toy XYTA me ta diktya ypodomwn, dhladh th DEH, thn Ydreysh kai olwn twn allwn poy apaitoyntai. H kataskeyh toy neoy XYTA sth qesh Mayroraxh shmatodotei to jekinhma mias oloklhrwmenhs, orqologikhs kai filikhs pros to periballon diaxeirishs twn aporrimmatwn sto nomo Qessalonikhs. Malista, to neo ayto ypersygxrono ergo exei th dynatothta kai prokeitai na kalycei se prwth fash tis anagkes oloklhroy toy nomoy Qessalonikhs kai oxi mono toy boreiodytikoy tomea toy nomoy, ews thn oloklhrwsh ths kataskeyhs kai toy deyteroy XYTA, sth qesh Agios Antwnios, symfwna me ton perifereiako sxediasmo diaxeirishs apoblhtwn.

Symplhrwmatika qa hqela na sas anaferw oti sto stadio ths oloklhrwshs brisketai kai ena akomh shmantiko ergo gia to nomo Qessalonikhs poy ylopoieitai apo to Syndesmo OTA Meizonos Qessalonikhs. Prokeitai gia to ergo ths telikhs anaplashs toy Xwroy Ygeionomikhs Tafhs Aporrimmatwn Tagaradwn kai ths Monadas Epejergasias Straggismatwn, synolikoy proypologismoy 13,8 ekatommyriwn eyrw.

Pera apo ola ayta poy sas anefera, gia thn oloklhrwmenh antimetwpish se o,ti afora th diaxeirish sterewn apoblhtwn sto nomo Qessalonikhs, problepetai symfwna me ton perifereiako sxediasmo diaxeirishs apoblhtwn, h kataskeyh kai allwn ergwn yposthriktikoy xarakthra, opws oi staqmoi metafortwshs aporrimmatwn, monades mhxanikhs-biologikhs epejergasias astikwn sterewn apoblhtwn, kaqws kai kentra dialoghs anakyklwsimwn ylikwn.

" Sto plaisio twn drasewn twn dyo Genikwn Grammateiwn poy stegazontai se ayto to xwro sth qematikh ``Atoma me Anaphria kai Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs'', qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti: Diatiqentai, mesw diadiktyoy, ta arxeia binteo me to kaqhmerino briefing, thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai sthn ellhnikh nohmatikh glwssa. Peripoy mia wra meta th lhjh toy briefing, to binteo-arxeio anartatai sth sxetikh istoselida www.minpress.gr, gia xrhsh apo toys synanqrwpoys mas poy exoyn problhmata akohs h kwfwsh. Gia to skopo ayto, oi dyo Genikes Grammateies synergazontai me to Swmateio Diermhnewn ths ellhnikhs nohmatikhs glwssas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn ektimhsh koryfaioy stelexoys ths, opws th diatypwse stoys dhmosiografoys, ejerxomeno toy Majimoy, oti sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy, yparxoyn politikes eyqynes;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tetoia dhlwsh. Ekeino poy jerw einai oti h ereyna sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, ths opoias th systash proteine h shmerinh kybernhsh, h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia sth Boylh, alla kai apo th Dikaiosynh, synexizetai kai anamenoyme thn oloklhrwsh ths.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ean, parola ayta, ayrio anakoinwqei kai to onoma toy Ypoyrgoy poy ekane th sxetikh dhlwsh, oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes kai gi` ayto oi dhmoskophseis deixnoyn to 4%, poio qa htan to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na sas apanthsw se erwthsh poy arxizei me ``ean'';

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qelete na sas pw to onoma toy Ypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw dhlwseis oi opoies ginontai epishmws.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ean qelete, qa sas pw to onoma toy Ypoyrgoy. Den desmeyomai egw me kanena ``off the record''.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa molis, egw gnwrizw tis epishmes dhlwseis oi opoies ginontai. Ola ta alla, ta opoia moy metaferete, einai endexomenws dikes sas plhrofories, tis opoies den exw kanena logo, oyte na epibebaiwsw, oyte na diaceysw.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste sto qema toy Batopaidioy, qelw na rwthsw, an ta erga poy qa kanei h kybernhsh, poy anaferqhkate sthn arxh, ta erga poy qa kanei sth Qessalonikh, qa ginoyn se oikopeda poy exete ekxwrhsei sth Monh Batopaidioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete apo emena, asfalws, na apanthsw se tetoies erwthseis, oi opoies ypoballontai me proqesh eirwneias. Den exw na apanthsw kati.

KAKALHS: Hsaste ``ypnwtismenoi'', opws eipe o k. Cwmiadhs kai den katalabate, pws eginan oi antallages;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw kataqeseis - -sas exw pei- - sthn Epitroph.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ELEYQEROS TYPOS shmera paroysiazei Ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, apo thn opoia prokyptei oti paramenoyn aneispraktes bebaiwmenes ofeiles pros to Dhmosio, ycoys 35 disekatommyriwn eyrw, poy antistoixoyn sto 14% peripoy toy AEP. Kai aytes oi ofeiles einai mono mexri kai to 2007. Den yparxei, dhladh, to antistoixo noymero gia to 2008, poy shmainei oti sthn kalyterh periptwsh, ta 35 disekatommyria paramenoyn, sth xeiroterh exoyn ayjhqei. Apo thn idia Ekqesh, epishs, prokyptei oti thn teleytaia tetraetia, ta aneisprakta esoda toy Dhmosioy yperdiplasiasthkan, se sxesh me thn prohgoymenh. H erwthsh einai profanhs: Giati;

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me enhmerwsh poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, h ayjhsh toy eisprakteoy ypoloipoy apo ta 11,5 disekatommyria to 2003 sta 31,4 disekatommyria eyrw to 2007, apodeiknyei akribws to gegonos oti to diasthma ayto, logw ths entatikopoihshs kai ths beltiwshs ths apotelesmatikothtas twn forologikwn elegxwn, ayjhqhkan ta posa twn forwn poy bebaiwqhkan. Metajy twn bebaiwqentwn poswn, megalo tmhma afora thn epibolh prostimwn gia laqremporio, kaqws kai se ekdotes plastwn kai eikonikwn forologikwn stoixeiwn. Se sxesh me ta posa poy exoyn epanepibebaiwqei, stis 31/12/2007, 31,4 disekatommyria eyrw, opws sas eipa. Prepei na anaferqei oti ta 25,9 disekatommyria eyrw htan lhjiproqesma, enw ta 5,5 disekatommyria aforoyn mh lhjiproqesmes ofeiles. Eisprattontai dhladh kanonika.

Apo ta 25,9 disekatommyria eyrw twn lhjiproqesmwn, ta 18,8 disekatommyria eyrw aforoyn anepidektes kai episfaleis apaithseis, dhladh xreh poy den mporoyn na eispraxqoyn giati, fer` eipein, metajy twn allwn, aforoyn kai anyparktes etaireies, anqrwpoys poy exoyn khryjei ptwxeysh klp. Ta ypoloipa 7,1 disekatommyria eyrw aforoyn lhjiproqesma xreh poy mporoyn na eispraxqoyn. Akribws, gia thn eisprajh twn poswn aytwn, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qesmoqethse thn prosfath ryqmish lhjiproqesmwn ofeilwn, me thn opoia oi ofeiletes mporoyn se 24 doseis kai me th diagrafh prosayjhsewn kai prostimwn na ejoflhsoyn tis ofeiles toys. Oson afora de, tis diagrafes xrewn poy anaferontai sto dhmosieyma to opoio moy eipate, aytes aforoyn oxi diagrafes, logw paragrafhs, alla diagrafes gia alloys logoys, opws logw ekteleshs sxetikwn dikastikwn apofasewn, logw anaklhtikwn apofasewn apo bebaioyses arxes, oi opoies omws den einai kat` anagkh mono forologikes, alla kai apofaseis apo alles arxes, opws einai h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, oi dhmoi kai alles.

MANH: Paroysiasate san qetiko to gegonos oti ayjhqhkan, se sxesh me to 2003, ta posa poy bebaiwqhkan oti ofeilontai sto Dhmosio, apo 11,5 sta 31,4. Swsta;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa synolika. Mhn apomonwnete mia frash poy eipa.

MANH: Oxi. Ep` aytoy, mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh, mia dieykrinistikh: Giati einai shmantiko na bebaiwnontai posa poy ofeilontai sto Dhmosio, otan den mporoyn na eispraxqoyn, dhladh otan paramenoyn sta xartia, alla oxi sta Tameia;

ANTWNAROS: Exete krathsei shmeiwseis olhs ths dhlwshs poy ekana;

MANH: Prospaqhsa.

ANTWNAROS: Wraia. Sthn apanthsh moy periexontai ola ta stoixeia.

TERZHS: Sto idio qema. Efoson nomimopoieite, epibebaiwnete oti yparxei - -me thn apanthsh sas- - sxetikh ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy kai eixate olh ayth thn analysh poy mas eipate nwritera, exei ena endiaferon na topoqethqei h kybernhsh kai sthn ektimhsh poy perigrafei o kalos synadelfos toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, oti h mh eisprajh - -allo ta eispraktea kai allo ta eispraxqenta- - ofeiletai se aneparkeia toy foroelegktikoy kai eispraktikoy mhxanismoy toy kratoys. Ti kanei h kybernhsh gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

TERZHS: Me sygxwreite, alla den exete apanthsei ep` aytoy. Einai allo erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Se ayto apantw. Den exw na pw kati perissotero ap` osa sas eipa. Kai en pash periptwsei, ayto katarriptei kai ena epixeirhma to opoio poly epimona, alla kaqoloy peistika, xrhsimopoihse ton teleytaio kairo, kyriws to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, oti dhqen epiballontai neoi foroi. Kai apodeiknyetai, gia mia akomh fora, oti prokeitai gia prospaqeia eisprajhs forwn, oi opoioi exoyn bebaiwqei en merei, se orismena atoma, ta opoia arnoyntai na katabaloyn h den exoyn proselqei na katabaloyn toys foroys toys, epideiknyontas akribws thn koinwnikh toys analghsia.

MANH: Ma, thn exw shmeiwsei, kyrie Ekproswpe, mot a mot. Qa paei o laqremporos me kalh xara na plhrwsei; Kapoios prepei na paei na toy ta parei ta lefta, na plhrwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws. Zhteitai na katablhqoyn ta ofeilomena posa. Ayto ginetai.

MANH: Kai den ta plhrwnei.

ANTWNAROS: Palaia, an den egine antilhpto ayto poy eipa, den katalogizontan tetoioi foroi, den katelogizonto tetoia prostima mexri to 2003. Kai twra eimaste sth diadikasia na eispraxqoyn. Orismenoi sto parelqon kanane ta straba matia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to gegonos oti o hgoymenos Efraim kai o monaxos Arsenios, den proshlqan sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia na apanthsoyn stis erwthseis twn boyleytwn, para thn perifronhsan kai afhsan aplws ena ypomnhma.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei h dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh o opoios einai Proedros ths Epitrophs kai sthn opoia menw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Nai, qa hqela thn apoch ths kybernhshs, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei h dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Ki egw, me th seira moy, sas apantw, ka Kalogeropoyloy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Thn apoch ths kybernhshs qelw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti menw sthn apanthsh toy k. Markogiannakh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy: Yioqeteite thn apoch ths k. Mpakogiannh, h opoia eipe xqes sthn thleorash toy ALPHA oti einai aparadekto to gegonos na mhn proselqoyn na apanthsoyn stis erwthseis;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh, sthn opoia perilambanontai akribws ayta ta opoia moy lete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H apoch poy exei o k. Alabanos gia na epanaklhqoyn kai na dwsoyn ejhghseis sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, sas briskei symfwno;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To exei apanthsei kai ayto o k. Markogiannakhs, prin ton k. Alabano;

ANTWNAROS: Menw kai qewrw ikanopoihtikh gia thn kybernhsh th dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma, edw sas lew egw gia th synexeia, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den qelete na antilhfqeite ayto to opoio sas lew. Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se diadikastika qemata ths Epitrophs. To pws leitoyrgei h Epitroph, afora thn Epitroph. Menw sthn politikh dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Markogiannakhs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas rwtaw, kai sygnwmh poy epimenw, giati thn perasmenh ebdomada sxoliazate mia seira apo pragmata ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

ANTWNAROS: Kai proxqes sas eipa oti, bebaiws, sxoliazw pragmata h qemata ta opoia...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Poy sas symferoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Profanws, kyrie Ekproswpe, dikh moy einai.

ANTWNAROS: ... me thn opoia den symfwnw. Topoqetoymai epi politikwn qematwn. Oxi epi diadikastikwn qematwn.

PARTALIDHS: Exw mia erwthsh h opoia exei dyo shmeia kai endexomenws na exete apanthsei tis prohgoymenes hmeres poy eleipa apo to press room. Prwton, exoyn oristikopoihqei oi koinwnikes paroxes ths kybernhshs pros tis asqenesteres oikonomikes omades; An nai, mporeite na tis perigracete, ean oxi pote ypologizete oti qa ginei ayto; Kai deyteron, sxetika me th genikoterh oikonomikh krish poy mastizei kai th xwra mas, opws kai alles eyrwpaikes xwres, ejantloyntai ta kybernhtika metra me to paketo twn 28 dis. h einai ki alla kata noy toy k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati. H kybernhsh asfalws kai den periorizetai se ayto to opoio apokalesate eseis ``paketo''. Prokeitai gia ena sxedio gia th sthrijh synolika ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, gia thn ejasfalish ths reystothtas sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, gia th sthrijh twn mikromesaiwn, gia th sthrijh twn noikokyriwn se oloklhrh thn ellhnikh Epikrateia. Pera apo ayta - -kai to lew sthn periptwsh poy diafeygei ths prosoxhs sas- - h kybernhsh exei anakoinwsei kai alla metra. Opws fer` eipein einai h sthrijh twn mikrwn kai poly mikrwn epixeirhsewn, mesw toy sxetikoy Tameioy Eggyodosias, to opoio gia tria xronia sthrizei, eggyatai, thn paroxh daneiwn pros aytoy toy eidoys tis epixeirhseis poy sas eipa, mexri ycoys 350.000 eyrw kai me epidothsh toy epitokioy. Yparxoyn alles draseis, stis opoies anaferqhke molis xqes to brady, sth dhmosia omilia thn opoia ekane o Prwqypoyrgos kai anaferontai stoys agrotes.

Synepws den einai ena metro, einai ena synolo metrwn, ta opoia apoblepoyn akribws ekei: Sto na sthrijoyn se aytes tis dyskoles peristaseis, twn opoiwn oyte h ejelijh, oyte to telos einai orato, na sthrijoyn, loipon, thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Kyriws bebaia aytoys poy exoyn megalyterh anagkh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela thn apoch sas se kati. Ta xamhla pososta poy shmeiwnei h Nea Dhmokratia to teleytaio diasthma stis dhmoskophseis, ofeilontai sto skandalo h sthn ypoqesh ths Monhs Batopaidioy h kai se alloys paragontes, opws gia paradeigma ta qemata ths oikonomias;

ANTWNAROS: Exw ejantlhsei to qema twn dhmoskophsewn. Topoqethqhka proxqes. Den exei prokycei kati kainoyrgio gia na sxoliasw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti koryfaioi paragontes ths agoras, gia paradeigma opws o k. Bgenopoylos bghke xqes pali kai askhse kritikh se ayta poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs se sxesh me tis probleceis toy Proypologismoy, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h exei na dhlwsei kati h kybernhsh, sto epipedo toy oti oi paragontes ths agoras anoigoyn mia koybenta h opoia katalhgei sto oti den pisteyoyn ayta poy leei to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias;

ANTWNAROS: An moy zhtate na sxoliasw apoceis proswpikes, enos memonwmenoy atomoy, den prokeitai na to kanw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, alla to exei kanei tesseris fores ton teleytaio mhna, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: H epanalhch afora ekeinon o opoios kanei mia dhlwsh, oxi emena.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas rwthsa proxqes, an h dhlwsh sas oti den qa epiblhqoyn neoi foroi to 2009, afora kai thn ayjhsh yparxontwn forwn. Qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw: H ayjhsh, as poyme, twn telwn kykloforias to 2009 kata 20%, h programmatismenh ayjhsh toy foroy sta kaysima, aytes den einai nees ayjhseis; Einai kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai neoi foroi. Se kamia periptwsh...

TSIOYFOS: Ayto rwthsa proxqes. An...

ANTWNAROS: H ayjhsh twn forwn - -h mallon ayto poy apokaleite ``foroi''- - sta kaysima, einai kati to opoio problepetai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den einai kati to opoio einai epiloghs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai kati to opoio eprepe na eixan kanei prohgoymenes kybernhseis kai to amelhsan. Kai gnwrizete, prin apo tria  tessera xronia, erwtwmenos se ayth thn aiqoysa, sas eixa pei oti ayto einai programmatismeno, einai problepomeno. Den mporei, loipon, na erxetai kapoios kai na leei oti prokeitai gia neo foro. Ayto to jerane oloi oti qa ginei. Deyteron: Edw ypologizoyn ws neoys foroys kapoioi fwsthres ths oikonomias - -kai anaferomai stoys dhqen oikonomikoys eidikoys apo to xwro toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- - kai anaferoyn ws neoys foroys thn peraiwsh ypoqesewn. Dhladh eseis pisteyete oti einai neoi foroi aytoi; Pisteyete oti kapoios poy xrwstaei lefta sto ellhniko Dhmosio, sto ellhniko koinwniko synolo, xrhmata apo thn eisprajh twn opoiwn qa wfelhqoyn oloi, den prepei na ta plhrwsei; An to pisteyei kapoios apo to xwro ths antipoliteyshs na erqei na mas to pei. Perimenw.

TSIOYFOS: Gia ta telh kykloforias den moy eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Rwthste poso kairo exoyn na ayjhqoyn ta telh kykloforias.

TSIOYFOS: Kaqe xrono jerw oti ayjanontai.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, neos foros den einai. Loipon, as mhn aqroizoyn posa poy den exoyn kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Ayta den peiqoyn kanenan Ellhna polith, kanenan apolytws. Kai den peiqoyn kyriws ekeinoys toys Ellhnes polites, oi opoioi apoteloyn thn pleiochfia kai kataballoyn kanonika toys foroys toys, antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies exoyn oxi enanti toy kratoys - -egw den qa to dw etsi- - alla enanti toy koinwnikoy synoloy.

TERZHS: Pantws, k. Ekproswpe, an moy epitrepete, me aformh thn peraiwsh poy eipate: H peraiwsh den afora forofygades, epeidh toys epikrinate. Afora epaggelmaties h epixeirhseis oi opoies ypebalan forologikes dhlwseis, plhrwsan foro kai erxetai twra to kratos epeidh den mporei na elegjei - -gia na apanthsoyme kai sto Elegktiko Synedrio to ti ginetai- - kai toys leei ``kyrioi, gia na mhn sas elegjw, ypologizw oti peripoy einai tosa, elate na ta plhrwsete na kleisoyme tis ypoqeseis''. Peri aytoy prokeitai. Oxi oti den exoyn plhrwsei foroys.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeinoi, loipon, oi opoioi synypologizoyn diafora eteroklhta stoixeia, agnooyn, den mas lene se ti wfeloyntai oi Ellhnes polites apo thn problepomenh, gia thn epomenh xronia, meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn kata dyo monades. To synypologizoyn; To afairoyn apo ekei poy prepei; Ayta den ta ypologizoyn. Monofqalma, gia na mhn pw tyfla, proseggizoyn to qema.

TERZHS: Wraia. Na dexqw thn parathrhsh sas kai na kanw thn erwthsh moy, an kai synhqws den sxoliazete boyleytes. O k. Pagkalos, anaferomenos ston Ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh ton xarakthrise ws ton megalytero ceyth poy exei perasei pote apo to Ypoyrgeio.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws. Den qa sxoliasw, eidika ton k. Pagkalo.

ZORMPA: Qa epistrecw sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy kai ths Ejetastikhs. Yparxei diaxyth aisqhsh oti pisw apo th diarkh epiklhsh martyrwn apo pleyras ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph kai malista martyres poy den syndeontai eyqews me thn ypoqesh, elloxeyei h proqesh toy PASOK na parateinei tis ergasies ths Ejetastikhs kai peran ths 15hs Dekembrh, poy exei oristei ejarxhs h oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn. Ektima h kybernhsh oti ontws yparxei ayth h proqesh apo pleyras ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai an nai, giati;

ANTWNAROS: To eipa kai proxqes: Pisteyw - -ayth einai h dikh moy ektimhsh- - oti pragmati to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs prospaqei me thn klhteysh megalwn omadwn martyrwn, poy den syndeontai amesa h kai emmesa polles fores me thn ypoqesh, na parateinei th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs, endexomenws gia na eytelisei th leitoyrgia ths. Emeis, h kybernhtikh pleiochfia, parola tayta, opws gnwrizete, para tis epifylajeis oi opoies se kapoia stigmh ekfrasthkan, gia na mh qewrhqei oti qeloyme na empodisoyme kapoio martyra na proselqei, symfwnhsame sthn klhteysh epipleon martyrwn. Symfwnhse h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn Epitroph, sthn klhteysh aytwn twn martyrwn. Ektiqentai, aplws, osoi kaloyn martyres oi opoioi ek twn ysterwn apodeiknyontai eite afereggyoi, eite kataqetoyn pragmata poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn ypoqesh, eite apodeiknyetai oti exoyn ypoptes diasyndeseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ej aformhs ths erwthshs ths k. Zormpa kai ths apanthshs sas stoys afereggyoys kai anajiopistoys, sygkatalegete kai ton Nomarxh Qessalonikhs k. Cwmiadh;

ANTWNAROS: Osa eixa na pw, ta eipa. Kai mh dhmioyrgeite entypwseis, ermhneyontas pragmata ta opoia egw den eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia erwthsh ekana. Kai mia allh, epishs, gia to qema ths ypoqeshs ayths: Qa dexqei, meta to peras ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs kai an kai efoson prokycoyn politikes eyqynes h mh, paroti eipate oti agnooysate tis dhlwseis koryfaioy stelexoys shmera, qa dexqei h Nea Dhmokratia th systash Proanakritikhs Epitrophs gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws gi` ayto to qema. Den exei allajei kati sthn kentrikh qesh thn opoia exoyme ekfrasei. Kai eimai bebaios k. Palaiologe, me thn eysyneidhsia h opoia sas diakrinei, oti ayth th qesh th gnwrizete.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia toys triteknoys epixeirhmaties kai epithdeymaties einai gnwsto oti isxye ena aforologhto ycos eisodhmatos 22.500. Epeidh tis teleytaies hmeres yparxei mia sygxysh sthn kathgoria ayth, poy einai h sympaqhs kathgoria twn triteknwn epixeirhmatiwn...

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi kathgories einai sympaqeis.

PARTALIDHS: Oxi, epeidh einai kai h eyaisqhsia kai ths kybernhshs poy edeije ta teleytaia xronia yper twn triteknwn.

ANTWNAROS: H sympaqesterh kathgoria bebaia olwn, ofeilw na sas pw, eiste eseis edw.

PARTALIDHS: Th sympaqeia kai thn agaph sas einai gnwsth, thn jeroyme. Hqela na sas pw, epeidh me ta osa isxyoyn me bash tis egkyklies odhgies toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, exei ermhneyqei oti ayto to orio den isxyei kai exei pesei gyrw stis 10.000 peripoy. Aisqanomai oti prepei na to deite, ektos an to jerete, oti qa prepei na janadei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn dieykrinistika ti isxyei, wste na mhn yparxei sygxysh sthn koinwnia kai toys epixeirhmaties.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to qema, eilikrina sas to lew.

PARTALIDHS: Gi` ayto qelw na to deite. (den akoygetai) wste na mhn yparxei ayth h agwnia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa to koitajw. Einai ena qema poy afora polloys anqrwpoys. Qa sas enhmerwsw shmera h ayrio.

KAKALHS: To paketo metrwn poy proteinei shmera h Komision qa ephreasei kai kata poso to ellhniko sxedio kata ths krishs, poy anefere xqes o Prwqypoyrgos. Na to kanw pio sygkekrimena: Exei periqwria h kybernhsh na diaqesei poroys isoys me to 1% toy AEP me bash to ycos toy dhmosioy xreoys kai toy elleimmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dyo diaforetika pragmata. To sxedio to opoio hdh exei anakoinwqei kai opws gnwrizete chfisthke thn perasmenh ebdomada apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn, einai diaforetiko apo ayto poy syzhtietai shmera. Symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw, akomh kai ayth thn wra synexizontai oi diaboyleyseis gia to en logw qema, sto Kollegio twn Epitropwn.

KAKALHS: Den to periorisa sto sxedio sthrijhs twn trapezwn. Eipa genikotera ayto poy anefere o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, san ellhniko sxedio kata ths krishs, ean qa ephreastei apo to sxedio ths Komision kai an mporeite na dwsete to 1% twn porwn parapanw.

ANTWNAROS: Oi arxikes aytes protaseis poy, opws sas eipa, syzhtoyntai akoma ayth th stigmh, einai sth swsth kateyqynsh. Mas ikanopoioyn kai mas kalyptoyn. Qa kanoyme thn kalyterh dynath xrhsh twn protasewn aytwn, otan bebaiws paroyn thn telikh toys morfh. Qa erqoyn sto ECOFIN kai meta qa pane sth Synodo twn Arxhgwn Kratwn - Kybernhsewn, nomizw stis 11,12 Dekembrioy stis Bryjelles.

MPOTSARHS: Mia teleytaia erwthsh gia th Monh Batopaidioy. Mhpws yparxei ena synoliko problhma gia to synolo toy politikoy kosmoy; Eidame, xqes, ton hgoymeno Efraim me mia terastia alazoneia na mpainei mesa sth Boylh me toys synodoys toy, me toys dikhgoroys toy, na apajiwnei toys pantes kai ta panta. Shmera, blepoyme twra kai ton k. Pelekh na apeyqynetai stoys boyleytes kai na leei ``na eiste poly prosektikoi se ayta poy me rwtate''. Mhpws tiqetai genikotera qema apajiwshs toy politikoy kosmoy;

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayto eipa kai prohgoymenws stis erwthseis ths k. Kalogeropoyloy oti menw sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekane, xqes, o Proedros ths Epitrophs k. Xrhstos Markogiannakhs, me ton aysthro xarakthra poy exei ayth h dhlwsh kai h opoia, opws gnwrizw, ekfrazei olo ton politiko kosmo, o opoios metexei ths Epitrophs dia twn kommatwn poy einai sth Boylh. Mporei ta kommata na eixan sta kat` idian qemata diaforetikes proseggiseis. Alla, ej oswn gnwrizw, h dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh egine katopin symfwnoy gnwmhs olwn twn kommatwn.

MANH: Stis protaseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, metajy allwn, dinetai h dynatothta stis xwres  melh na meiwsoyn o F.P.A. se sygkekrimenoys tomeis kai sygkekrimena proionta, oxi na meiwqei genikws o F.P.A. Ayto to endexomeno to antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sta osa eipa gia tis protaseis ths Epitrophs, oi opoies opws sas eipa mexri thn stigmh poy hrqa se ayth thn aiqoysa den eixan morfopoihqei. Allwste, mexri th Synodo Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy exoyme arketo dromo akomh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Katarxas ena mikro sxolio: Einai ajiepainh h prwtoboylia sas gia ta AmeA. Ayto poy leipei, epeidh to biwnw proswpika, gia ta atoma me anaphria den einai to na blepoyn to briefing sto diadiktyo, toys leipei ena pio filojeno nomiko plaisio poy  den jerw poios ftaiei  den yparxei se kamia periptwsh. Kai twra h erwthsh moy: Afoy bgainete kai kataggellete kapoioys anqrwpoys me apolyto elleimma ajiopistias, to opoio porisma ejaxqei, anejarthta apo tis politikes eyqynes h oxi, apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, ti ajia qa exei;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws, den zhtate apo emena na parw qesh prokatabolika gia ena porisma to opoio qa syntaxqei kai qa paroysiastei apo ta melh ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, ta opoia exoyn oristei apo toys politikoys sxhmatismoys na toys ekproswphsoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. H Ejetastikh Epitroph synexizei to ergo ths.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite...

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh diakrinw - -kai den to lew epitimhtika ayto- - ston tropo poy ypoballate thn erwthsh sas mia isws apajiwtikh diaqesh oson afora tis ergasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs poy exei epifortistei apo to synolo toy politikoy kosmoy na diejagei thn sygkekrimenh ereyna, na th ferei se peras kai na ypobalei to porisma ths sthn Boylh twn Ellhnwn, egw den qa kanw tipote allo apo to na pw oti : Emeis, ws Kybernhsh, sthrizoyme, to ergo, thn ereyna ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs kai anamenoyme thn oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn ths.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh moy katalogizete apajiwtiko tropo...

ANTWNAROS : Oxi, to eipa me epifylajh ayto, opws antilambaneste. Den exw kamia diaqesh na sas prosbalw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy. Ean kai efoson prokycoyn politikes eyqynes qa pame se mia proanakritikh Epitroph. An den prokycei tipota, qa bgei kapoios na pei...

ANTWNAROS: Eikosi hmeres prin apo thn symfwnhmenh hmeromhnia oloklhrwshs twn ergasiwn ths Epitrophs, moy zhtate na topoqethqw gia kati poy endexomenws lete oti mporei na symbei; Den qa to ekana pote.

TSIOYFOS: Exete kapoia ejhghsh giati tis teleytaies hmeres koryfaia kybernhtika stelexh, me dhmosies dhlwseis toys, deixnoyn mia aproqymia, otan ginei anasxhmatismos, na metakomisoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai oloi epiqymoyn na meinoyn sta ypoyrgeia toys;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai kati poly aplo: To qema toy anasxhmatismoy einai apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios kai apofasizei poio stelexos analambanei poion tomea ergasias. Ola ta alla den exoyn kanenan nohma.

TSIOYFOS: Den eipa ayto. Rwthsa giati deixnoyn aproqymia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia kati poy moy paroysiazete ws endexomeno kai den exei kamia sxesh me tis dikes moy armodiothtes.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Ayrio, Pempth 27 Noembrioy, h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy qa pragmatopoihqei ektaktws stis 15:00.


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