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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-12-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 2 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 173014809

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Dekembrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ayrio, Tetarth 3 Dekembrioy, stis 12.00, qa synedriasei ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Opote to briefing qa ginei otan teleiwsei h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gnwrizete ean h kybernhsh exei apodesmeysei en pash periptwsei h an oi Ypoyrgoi poy qa ejetastoyn apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph exoyn zhthsei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo thn adeia na kataqesoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph kai na poyn sta erwthmata poy qa dexqoyn apo toys boyleytes, an dexontoysan pieseis apo ton k. Roysopoylo, opws xqes eipe o k. Rizos;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw oti oloi osoi kataqetoyn, oi boyleytes ennow ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias kataqetoyn, sebomenoi th diadikasia kai ton orko ton opoio dinoyn, me apolyth pisth sta pragmatika gegonota.

DHMADHS: Eixate milhsei prosfata gia kapoioys afereggyoys, anajiopistoys kai kateyqynomenoys apo diaforetika symferonta martyres.

ANTWNAROS: Den to eixa pei akribws etsi, alla en pash periptwsei.

DHMADHS: To nohma htan ayto. Poioys ennoeite, pws stoixeioqetoyntai aytoi oi martyres;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo. H ereyna apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph exei fqasei se ena poly shmantiko shmeio. Aytes tis meres kataqetoyn ta politika proswpa. Qa anameinw thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Tipote allo ep` aytoy.

DHMADHS: O k. Rizos entassetai mesa sthn kathgoria ayth poy proanaferate;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Loipon, pws sas fanhke h kataqesh poy edwse xqes o k. Rizos, poy oysiastika edeije ton k. Roysopoylo ws hqiko ypeyqyno gia olo to skandalo toy Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti ta melh poy apartizoyn thn Ejetastikh Epitroph qa synypologisoyn th barythta h mh olwn twn kataqesewn, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyn sto porisma toys.

KAKALHS: ``Kamia politikh eyqynh den aisqanomai. Ejetelesa ta kaqhkonta moy plhrws kai eparkws pros thn kateyqynsh ejyphrethshs toy dhmosioy symferontos''. Ayth einai h topoqethsh toy k. Dry sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Sas qymizei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia kataqeseis.

KAKALHS: Mhpws sas qymizei thn topoqethsh th dikh sas kai toy prokatoxoy sas, genikotera ths kybernhshs sto qema ayto; Dhladh, oti h kybernhsh, oi Ypoyrgoi kinhqhkan sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toys;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den egine safes ayto to opoio eipa prohgoymenws. Ayth th stigmh briskomaste se ena poly shmantiko stadio ths ereynas poy diejagetai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Qa perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas ayths.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, politiko sxolio zhthsa, sto qema oti h epixeirhmatologia sas taytizetai akribws me thn epixeirhmatologia twn Ypoyrgwn toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Einai diko sas sxolio, to opoio egw den prokeitai na sxoliasw.

STAQOPOYLOS: Eipate prin apo ligo oti oi martyres kataqetoyn sebomenoi th diadikasia, ton orko poy dinoyn, thn pisth...

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka egw stoys martyres...

STAQOPOYLOS: Poioys martyres;

ANTWNAROS: ... Eimai bebaios, eipa, oti oi martyres oi proerxomenoi apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia - -ayto me rwthse h kyria Kalogeropoyloy- - kataqetoyn me apolyth pisth sta pragmatika gegonota sebomenoi th diadikasia kai ton orko poy dinoyn. Gi` aytoys eimai bebaios gia to ti lew.

STAQOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn ayta gia ton k. Rizo;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia to periexomeno kataqesewn.

STAQOPOYLOS: Deyteron, ektos apo ton k. Rizo, xqes o syntakths ths efhmeridas toy EQNOYS k. Tellidhs anaferqhke oti to 2008 eixe enhmerwqei o Proedros toy PASOK k. Giwrgos Papandreoy sto Symposio poy egine sth Qessalonikh apo toys foreis ths perioxhs. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw, para na sas zhthsw na diabasete tis kataqeseis.

STAQOPOYLOS: Sta praktika yparxei ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw, loipon, para na sas zhthsw na diabasete tis kataqeseis, wste osoi kataqetoyn na mhn emfanizontai meta kai na isxyrizontai oti eipan alla, apo ayta poy pragmatika eipan.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oi en energeia Ypoyrgoi h telos pantwn ta melh ths kybernhshs poy qa kataqesoyn sto plaisio ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, briskontai se kapoia synennohsh me to Megaro Majimoy, se sxesh me o,ti jeroyn kai o,ti qa poyn h o kaqenas qa pei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph o,ti jerei kai qa to maqei gia prwth fora ekei, qa to plhroforhqei kai h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios martyras kataqetei thn alhqeia kai ta pragmatika gegonota, den exei anagkh na brisketai se kanenos eidoys synennohsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Einai Ypoyrgos, omws, qelw na pw...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

RABANOS: Na pame sta qemata ths oikonomias. Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias to teleytaio diasthma amfisbhtei diarkws gia epiloges toy gia thn politikh poy akoloyqei gia diafora qemata. Prosfata paradeigmata, to aithma toy Ypoyrgoy Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Sphliwtopoyloy, gia meiwsh toy FPA gia orismenes toyristikes epixeirhseis. To epomeno paradeigma: Polloi boyleytes, opws eipe prin apo ligo o k. Karaogloy apo th syxnothta toy kratikoy radiofwnoy ths NET, amfisbhthsan thn epilogh twn tekmhriwn. Eipe oti ta tekmhria einai dyo bhmata pros ta pisw. Pisteyete oti enas diarkws ballomenos Ypoyrgos, mporei na diaxeiristei me epityxia tis epiptwseis ths oikonomikhs krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Nai, dioti den didw bash ston tropo me ton opoio - -me olo to qarros kai thn agaph poy sas exw kyrie Rabane- - paroysiasate ta pragmata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh kyrie Ekproswpe, alla o idios o k. Alogoskoyfhs, milwntas xqes sto CITY, eipe - -gia na enisxysw thn erwthsh toy synadelfoy- - oti ``oso eimai se ayth th qesh''. Giati o k. Alogoskoyfhs aisqanqhke thn anagkh na pei ``oso eimai se ayth th qesh'';

ANTWNAROS: Gia ena para poly aplo logo. Dioti ola ta politika proswpa exoyn synaisqhsh toy periorismenoy xronoy, toy sygkekrimenoy xronoy, gia ton opoio briskontai se mia qesh. Den einai aiwnies aytes oi qeseis kai ayto einai to aytonohto. Den eipe kati allo. Kai mena, an me rwthsete kati, qa sas pw, oso briskomai s` ayth th qesh. Den einai qesh monimothtas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma, gia esas den yparxei kapoio qema. To oti aisqanetai thn anagkh enas Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs o prwtos Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, th stigmh malista poy yparxei...

ANTWNAROS: Sth frash ``o prwtos'', pws katalhgete;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ennow, en pash periptwsei, enas apo toys koryfaioys Ypoyrgoys.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete ypoch sas kai thn ierarxia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Nai, kyrie Ekproswpe, ennow enas apo toys koryfaioys Ypoyrgoys...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O opoios xeirizetai malista kai to qema ths oikonomikhs krishs, gia to opoio h kybernhsh sas kaqhmerina mas leei ta posa spoydaia kanete. Einai dynaton, na bgainei se ena radiofwniko staqmo kai na leei ``oso qa eimai egw s` ayth th qesh'';

ANTWNAROS: Ti leei; Peite moy olh th frash.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Loipon, ``twra exoyme mprosta mas mia krish kai gi` ayto to mono poy me apasxolei, oso eimai se ayth th qesh...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: ... giati den einai dikia moy h apofash ayth, einai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai na kanw kai qa kanw ayto, poy einai kalytero gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia''.

ANTWNAROS: Poly wraia ta eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Ta prosypografw plhrws.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den sas rwtaw ayto. Egw sas rwtaw allo pragma. Giati aisqanqhke thn anagkh, sas rwthsa, na pei ``oso eimai se ayth th qesh''. Giati den to eixe pei perysi to Pasxa; Moy to lete;

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabebaiw oti an anatrejete se synenteyjeis h se dhlwseis dhmosies, tis opoies exw kanei egw apo thn poly tapeinoterh qesh thn opoia exw, qa breite arketes fores oti exw kanei paromoies anafores. Den yparxei tipote to idiaitero. Den yparxei tipote san kai ayto to opoio prospaqeite na ermhneysete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh, aytos o polemos ton opoio grafoyn polloi synadelfoi, shmera, katagrafetai ston Typo, anamesa ston k. Alogoskoyfh kai sthn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, yparxei mono sth fantasia twn dhmosiografwn; Den yparxei kamia pragmatikh diastash;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den jerw kanenan tetoio ``polemo'' metajy melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

PALAILOGOS: Eiste o monadikos.

BLABIANOS: An moy epitrepete, kyrie Ekproswpe, panw sthn erwthsh thn opoia ekane h synadelfos oti prosfatws paraithqentes h apomakryqentes Ypoyrgoi, ligo prin symbei ayto, idies peripoy dhlwseis ekanan.

ANTWNAROS: Den to jerw. Den mporw na qymamai oles tis dhlwseis. En pash periptwsei, ekeino to opoio exei shmasia, sas eipa molis pro oligoy oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs qa enhmerwsei ayrio thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia ta apotelesmata twn diaboyleysewn poy eixe me toys synadelfoys toy sto ECOFIN kai sto Eurogroup, xqes kai shmera.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sas eqese o synadelfos, o k. Rabanos, ena erwthma se sxesh me to gegonos oti orismena stelexh boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws o k. Karaogloy shmera - -kai to epikaloymai kai egw- - diafwnoyn me orismenes ptyxes ths oikonomikhs politikhs. Sygkekrimena, o k. Karaogloy gia ta tekmhria. Yparxoyn, omws, kai alloi ypoyrgoi - -kai to exoyme qesei ayto epaneilhmmenws- - opws o k. Soyflias, h k. Mpakogiannh, poy diafwnoyn me to qema toy FPA. Dhladh, zhtoyn meiwsh toy FPA. Ws kai o k. Sphliwtopoylos, malista, eqese kai to qema ths meiwshs toy FPA se toyristikes epixeirhseis. Gia tis diafwnies, tis kaqaytoy diafwnies, ti leei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme diaforetikes apoceis gia orismena pragmata. Gia to qema toy FPA, qa sas ypenqymisw oti molis xqes, oi xwres oi opoies apartizoyn to Eurogroup, oles omofwna apofasisan oti den qewroyn skopimh, den egkrinoyn th meiwsh toy FPA, dioti yparxoyn alla prosforotera metra, ta opoia mporoyn na feroyn kalytera apotelesmata. Ayto sas einai gnwsto. Den sas lew kati kainoyrgio, metadidetai apo shmera to prwi apo ola ta radiofwna kai oles tis thleoraseis. Ti na sas pw parapanw; Epimenete se kati to opoio h Ellada exei synapofasisei ws xwra poy einai ena apo ta 15 krath- melh toy Eurogroup.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ypociazomai oti to mhnyma sas apeyqynetai stoys diafwnoyntes Ypoyrgoys, oxi se emas toys dhmosiografoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai kapoio mhnyma. Jerete, epeidh ...

PALAIOLOGOS: To qema ths meiwshs toy FPA den to qetoyme emeis oi dhmosiografoi. To qetoyn orismena koryfaia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ara, ypociazomai oti to mhnyma to diko sas, oti epanalambanoyme ena qema, einai...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den stelnw mhnymata. Jerete, epeidh exete, oxi eseis, exoyn kapoioi thn tash na ermhneyoyn ta logia moy ws mhnymata, ws ypodeijeis, egw sas metefera ena pragmatiko gegonos, to opoio einai gnwsto tois pasi. Den sas lew kati kainoyrgio.

DHMADHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs mporei na mhn symfwnei me th meiwsh toy FPA. Endexomenws, kapoios allos poy qa analambane ton ypoyrgiko ayton qwko, qa mporoyse na prowqhsei mia tetoia meiwsh sto mellon.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa gia to Eurogroup. Egina safhs, moy fainetai. Einai apofash twn 15 kratwn-melwn.

DHMADHS: Kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs jekaqarise th qesh th dikh toy ws Ypoyrgos Oikonomias, oti den symfwnei me mia tetoia meiwsh. Se periptwsh poy erqei kapoio allo proswpo sth qesh toy k. Alogoskoyfh, einai anoikto ena tetoio endexomeno;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs einai Ypoyrgos Oikonomias.

RABANOS: Apanthsate prin apo ligo oti den yparxoyn proswpikes diafores, alla diaforetikes ektimhseis se mia seira zhthmatwn poy exoyn sxesh me thn oikonomikh politikh. Oysiastika anagnwrizete oti yparxei diaforetikh filosofia, ara einai ideologiko (den akoygetai) ideologikes diafores sto epipedo ths akoloyqoymenhs oikonomikhs politikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Den symfwnw mazi sas. Diafwnw kaqeta. Einai sto plaisio, mesa sto opoio kineitai kai politeyetai kai exei kanei tis programmatikes ejaggelies ths h Nea Dhmokratia. Yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis. Eseis, otan syzhtate sthn efhmerida sas, poy eiste anqrwpoi oi opoioi doyleyete 10 h 15 xronia mazi, den proseggizete ena qema me ton enan h ton allo tropo; Einai apolytws fysiko. Den mporw, dhladh, na dexqw oti mia epoikodomhtikh proseggish me thn anafora se alles idees poy mporoyn na yparxoyn kai oi opoies mporei na einai symplhrwmatikes, dhmioyrgei thn entypwsh mias plhroys diafwnias h enos xasmatos. Den yparxei tetoio pragma.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh, mas lete k. Ekproswpe oti aytoi poy miloyn gia meiwsh toy FPA, apo th stigmh poy yparxei h apofash toy Eurogroup, to kanoyn mono gia na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, asfalws kai den lew ayto. Egw sas enhmerwsa. Mh bazete sto stoma moy isxyrismoys toys opoioys den eipa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Egw ayto katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas enhmerwsa gi` ayto to qema kai den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Kaqe syzhthsh pera apo ayto, einai peritth. Den odhgei poyqena.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete pws exei fqasei o daneismos ths xwras sta 53 dis eyrw h to 20,3% toy AEP; Dhladh, me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh isxyrizotan ta prohgoymena xronia oti exei ``noikokyrecei'', eixe balei tajh sta oikonomika kai twra jafnika o daneismos ths xwras exei fqasei sta 53 dis. Pws ta kataferate;

ANTWNAROS: Malista. Jerete pws kalyptontai ta elleimmata poy eixe dhmioyrghsei to PASOK;

KAKALHS: A, to PASOK ftaiei!

ANTWNAROS: Dia toy daneismoy. An den pareis lefta gia na plhrwseis ta tokoxreolysia, den kalyptontai ayta ta pragmata, den kalyptontai ayta ta posa. Exei anaferqei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, thn perasmenh ebdomada, thn properasmenh, poly prosfata, jana kai jana se ayta ta qemata. Den qa epanelqw.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw sto qema ths forologhshs twn triteknwn epaggelmatiwn kai epithdeymatiwn. Eixate yposxeqei na moy dwsete mia apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Thn exw mazi moy kai qa sas th dwsw. Den allazei tipota, ayto sas lew. Exw thn akribh apanthsh.

DHMADHS: Aytes oi diaforetikes apoceis poy endexomenws mporei na yparxoyn sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs, egw mporei na mhn tis qewrw dedomenes, opws lete kai eseis kai na symfwnhsw mazi sas, alla aytes bohqoyn thn eikona ths kybernhshs, qewreite, otan aytes apotypwnontai kai ekfrazontai apo koryfaioys Ypoyrgoys;

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia kai h kybernhsh, h opoia exei proelqei apo th Nea Dhmokratia, einai ena zwntano kyttaro. Panta ginontan kai qa ejakoloyqoyn na ginontai syzhthseis mesa sth Nea Dhmokratia. Ayth einai h dynamh ths sygkekrimenhs paratajhs.

DHMADHS: Einai dynamh kai oi syzhthseis poy ginontai gia endexomeno tropo, gia endexomena senaria diadoxhs; Einai kai aytes dynamh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti htan na eipwqei gi` ayto, eipwqhke xqes. Den exw na pw kati allo.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: An exw katalabei kala, olo ayto ton kairo mas lete oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs askei kybernhtikh politikh. Etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete kanenan Ypoyrgo, o opoios na mhn askei kybernhtikh politikh;

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ennow kat` antidiastolh me mia proswpikh xroia poy mporei na dwsei sthn politikh efarmogh. Ayto ennow.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den askoyn proswpikh politikh oi Ypoyrgoi. Ti einai ayta poy moy lete;

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den exoyn apoch gia xarajh ths politikhs oi Ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Xarazoyn, alla h politikh, h opoia egkrinetai mesa apo sygkekrimenes diadikasies, einai kybernhtikh politikh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Poy shmainei ti; Oti an o k. Alogoskoyfhs antikatastaqei se enan endexomeno anasxhmatismo, o paragontas toy symbolismoy poy qa symparasyrei thn antikatastash toy, ``kaigetai'', giati kai o epomenos qa askhsei thn idia politikh;

ANTWNAROS: Milate gia anasxhmatismo, enw sas exw pei tinos pronomio einai o anasxhmatismos.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ayto einai ena qema oysias, poy sas rwtw egw. Den einai qema to pote qa ginei.

ANTWNAROS: Einai qema prospaqeias thn opoia kaloproaireta, eygenika, kataballete...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Profanws.

ANTWNAROS: ... gia na me odhghsete se syzhthsh gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy, thn opoia den qa kanw, dioti den einai ths dikhs moy armodiothtas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Para th gkrinia poy yparxei gia to proswpo toy k. Alogoskoyfh, o Prwqypoyrgos sthrizei ton Ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ola ayta edwsa apanthseis prohgoymenws. O k. Alogoskoyfhs, sas eipa, einai Ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, o opoios ekproswpei shmera kai xqes th xwra mas sto Eurogroup kai sto ECOFIN kai ayrio qa enhmerwsei thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Sas parakalw para poly...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epitrecte moy, einai sygkekrimenh h erwthsh poy sas kanw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas apantw me to sygkekrimeno tropo poy epilegw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas rwtaw: O Prwqypoyrgos sthrizei ton k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws.

KAKARNIAS: Mia hmera prin thn episkech toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, eidame toys alieis na kanoyn kapoies kinhtopoihseis, toys agrotes sthn Peloponnhso, sth Qessalia, endexomenws kai alloy, na kanoyn to idio. Mhpws telika h apoch toys oti ta metra ths kybernhshs den einai ikanopoihtika, giati fantazomai oti gi` ayto diamartyrontai, ayth h apoch eisakoyetai sthn kybernhsh; Protiqetai, dhladh, h kybernhsh na kanei kati epipleon, peran twn oswn exoyn anakoinwqei;

ANTWNAROS: Osa exoyn anakoinwqei exoyn ginei prajh, akribws giati h kybernhsh akoyei tis apoceis aytwn twn sygkekrimenwn omadwn, plhqysmiakwn kai epaggelmatikwn kai antapokrinetai, sto metro toy dynatoy, sta aithmata toys, stis prosdokies toys, stis synqhkes oi opoies exoyn dhmioyrghqei kai sth xwra kai thn agora apo thn poly dyskolh dieqnh katastash. Se ola ta qemata ginontai diaboyleyseis. Ginontai diaboyleyseis se baqos. Gnwrizw oti kai sto qema ths alieias exoyn ginei polles syzhthseis, wste na doqoyn lyseis se ena polyploko qema, to opoio aptetai kai odhgiwn, kateyqynsewn poy yparxoyn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh mas anaferate polles fores gia thn ayrianh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs oti qa exei ws qemata ta zhthmata ths oikonomias kai qa kanei enhmerwsh o k. Alogoskoyfhs, exete kati poio sygkekrimeno na mas peite;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti qa kanei enhmerwsh gia ta apotelesmata toy Eurogroup kai toy ECOFIN.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qa einai - -ayto qelw na pw- - mia enhmerwsh genikoterh, dhladh, mia apotimhsh ths genikoterhs oikonomikhs katastashs. Mia, as to poyme, apologistikoy xarakthra enhmerwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy syzhteitai aytes tis dyo hmeres se ayta ta dyo organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy sas eipa, exei fysika sxesh me th dieqnh oikonomikh katastash, me thn oikonomikh katastash poy epikratei sthn Eyrwph kai fysika ayto afora kai th xwra mas. Ekeino, omws, to opoio prepei na sas pw gia na to exete kai eseis ypoch sas, einai oti oi epiptwseis ayths ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs sth xwra mas einai periorismenes. Kai epeidh polles syzhthseis ginontai - -kai qa sas ypenqymisw oti prin apo liges hmeres ginotan megalh syzhthsh kai se ayton edw to xwro oti dhqen h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph aperripte to programma sthrijhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, to sxedio sthrijhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, dioti taxa den htan symbato me ola ayta ta opoia eixan apofasisei ta krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- - qa sas pw pros enhmerwsh sas oti mexri stigmhs tria tetoia sxedia, metajy twn opoiwn kai to ellhniko, exoyn egkriqei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Enw, antiqetws - -sas to lew ws paradeigma gia na to gnwrizete- - to sxedio ths Gallias poy syzhteitai ayth th stigmh, proskroyei se kritikh, antirrhseis, diorqwtikes protaseis poy ginontai. Synepws, emeis exoyme proxwrhsei poly grhgorotera apo th megalh pleiochfia twn allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn, wste na antimetwpisoyme ta sxetika periorismena apotelesmata, tis epiptwseis, ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs sth xwra mas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy pali mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Hqela na ginw pio sygkekrimenos. Yparxei endexomeno ayrio na anakoinwqoyn kai alla epiprosqeta metra peran apo th dromologhsh toy sxedioy gia th reystothta twn trapezwn; Yparxoyn sto trapezi alloy eidoys metra...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa poia qa einai h enhmerwsh, thn opoia qa kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Den exw na sas anakoinwsw kati allo.

STAQOPOYLOS: Ta metra sthrijhs gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys sygkekrimena pote qa anakoinwqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Otan exw kati qa sas to pw.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe xqes oti den antexei h ellhnikh oikonomia na kanei pali politikh me daneika, politikh paroxwn ennoeitai, dhladh to Dhmosio antexei na daneizetai gia tis trapezes, alla den antexei na daneizetai gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys;

ANTWNAROS: Qa to pw, isws, gia ekatosth fora se ayto edw to xwro...

KAKALHS: Pws qa plhrwsei ta 5 dis. h ta 18 dis. twn (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to opoio ginetai einai h ejasfalish ths reystothtas gia to synolo ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai ekeino to opoio eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes, ap` oti gnwrizw apo tis dhlwseis toy, einai entelws diaforetiko: Oti den mporei h Ellada na synexizei na daneizetai me ayth th megalh diafora se sxesh me to daneismo allwn xwrwn, thn opoia zhtoyn oi dieqneis Trapezes, oi dieqneis Organismoi, prokeimenoy na daneisoyn to ellhniko Dhmosio. Oso pio ychlo einai to epitokio me to opoio daneizetai to ellhniko Dhmosio, toso pio poly epibarynetai o mesos Ellhnas poliths. Ayta ta xrhmata den ta plhrwnei to ellhniko Dhmosio, kapoios aylos organismos, h Ellada. Oi Ellhnes epibarynontai me ayta ta pragmata. Gi` ayto kai sas eipa prohgoymenws oti ta elleimmata, ta opoia dhmioyrghse kai prokalese to PASOK, odhghsan se ayta ta pragmata, odhghsan se ayto to daneismo.

KAKALHS: Opoio kai na einai omws to epitokio, to Dhmosio daneizetai gia logariasmo twn trapezwn. Ayth einai h diafora.

ANTWNAROS: Den egine safes ayto poy eipa. Den mporw na to epanalabw.

TSIOYFOS: Den eixa skopo na rwthsw tipota. H teleytaia sas apanthsh, omws, me ebale se peirasmo. Eipate oti to ellhniko Dhmosio daneizetai akribotera, me megalytera epitokia, apo o,ti alles eyrwpaikes xwres.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

TSIOYFOS: Ayto omws, otan h daneiolhptikh soy ikanothta einai tetoia, deixnei kai kati. Deixnei oti kai h oikonomia soy den paei kala. Dhladh, oi trapezes daneizoyn analoga kai me thn ikanothta poy exei o daneiolhpths.

ANTWNAROS: Daneizoyn analoga. H Ellada einai mia ...

TSIOYFOS: Dhladh, an soy bazoyn megala epitokia, kati shmainei.

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada einai mia apolytws fereggya xwra. To dhmosio xreos to ejyphretei, gia na mh dhmioyrghqei kamia lanqasmenh entypwsh, me ton kalytero tropo poy yparxei. Den yparxei kamia kritikh, oson afora thn ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy xreoys. Alla, h Ellada exei poly megalo dhmosio xreos. Oso pio ychlo einai to dhmosio xreos, toso pio ychlo einai to legomeno spread, to epitokio to opoio soy epiballoyn. Lypamai, alla etsi einai.

DHMADHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synexisei tis episkeceis toy se Ypoyrgeia, opws ton eidame na kanei xqes sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, phge kai thn perasmenh ebdomada sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn. Otan yparxei kati kainoyrgio, sas to anakoinwnw. Qa to plhroforhqeite. H xqesinh episkech den einai kati memonwmeno, den einai kati jekommeno apo tis synolikes drasthriothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

DHMADHS: Sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias skopeyei na paei;

ANTWNAROS: Otan erqei h wra, nai.

DHMADHS: Me Ypoyrgo ton k. Alogoskoyfh h me allon Ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Kalo meshmeri.

" H ayrianh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy qa pragmatopoihqei meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs poy qa arxisei stis 12.00.


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