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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-12-03

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 3 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 173233068

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 3 Dekembrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sthn opoia syzhthqhkan qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Ayth thn wra, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs paroysiazei se synenteyjh Typoy ta apotelesmata twn Symboyliwn Eurogroup kai ECOFIN.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn eikona poy paroysiazei h kybernhsh sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Kai to lew ayto, den milame gia thn oysia, alla gia to adeiasma poy kanei o k. Boylgarakhs ston k. Mpasiako, o k. Liaphs ston k. Boylgarakh, o k. Magginas ston k. Tsitoyridh, o k. Mpasiakos ston k. Konto, o k. Doykas ston k. Mpasiako kai ap` o,ti eida shmera, o k. Kiltidhs epishs ston k. Konto. Exete ena sxolio gia olo ayto to pragma poy ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Exw na kanw mia systash: Na diabazete kalytera ta praktika twn kataqesewn kai na mhn epafieste sta osa diastreblwmena fqanoyn se orismenes epikefalides h sxolia kai ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh, ayta ta opoia grafontai, me thn pragmatikothta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epitrecte moy. Qelete na peite oti oloi oi dhmosiografoi poy parakoloyqoyn thn Ejetastikh Epitroph einai an mh ti allo hliqioi, einai xazoi, den antilambanontai, exoyn meiwmenh antilhch. Den exoyn eipwqei ola ayta ta pragmata kai exoyn eipwqei kapoia alla pragmata;

ANTWNAROS: Kalo qa einai na diabazete ta praktika opws einai kai oxi apomonwmena apospasmata. Sas lew, paradeigmatos xarin, oti o k. Magginas xqes dhlwse oti pragmata poy toy apodidontai h o tropos me ton opoio ermhneyontai pragmata, ta opoia eipe, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

TROYPHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes to PASOK zhthse thn klhteysh newn martyrwn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, opws stelexwn ths (den akoygetai), trapezwn klp. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs se ayto to sxolio toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka kai xqes gi` ayto to qema. To PASOK akoloyqei mia gnwsth pia taktikh, poy skopo exei na epimhkynei tis ergasies ths Epitrophs kai endexomenws na eytelisei kai th leitoyrgia kai thn ereyna thn opoia kanei h idia h Epitroph. Einai gnwsto oti ola ta kommata ths Boylhs apefasisan na oloklhrwqoyn oi ergasies kai h paroysiash toy porismatos ths Epitrophs th 15h Dekembrioy. To PASOK, profanws, krinei oti apo tis mexri twra martyries, den exoyn prokycei ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia qa hqele - -kai epimenw ``qa hqele''- - wste dhqen na stoixeioqethsei kapoies ypocies enantion politikwn proswpwn. Kai prospaqei apegnwsmena na piastei apo kapoy, kalwntas h proteinontas na klhqoyn martyres, oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me ta gegonota kai ta stoixeia ta opoia ereynwntai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epeidh h Ejetastikh fqanei sto telos ths, qa hqela na sas kanw mia epikairh erwthsh: Prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos na akoysei tis eishghseis kapoiwn Ypoyrgwn kai stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai me dhlwsh toy na analabei tis politikes eyqynes gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: H Ejetastikh Epitroph exei mia apostolh: Na diejagei mia ereyna gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy kai na syntajei ena porisma. Ayto kai qa ginei. Den jerw gia ti eishghseis kai se poies anafereste, dioti den gnwrizw kamia tetoia eishghsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy: Exoyme tis dhmosies dhlwseis toy k. Meimarakh, toy k. Manwlh, toy k. Karaogloy, toy k. Adrakta, toy k. Kokkinoylh, oi opoioi, oloi aytoi, lene oti kalon qa htan o Prwqypoyrgos na analabei politikes eyqynes prokeimenoy na kleisei to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Meimarakh, topoqethqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada o idios o k. Meimarakhs. Sas parapempw se aytes tis dhlwseis, giati o k. Meimarakhs einai melos ths kybernhshs. Oson afora tis alles dhlwseis, asfalws den qa kanw kanena sxolio, dioti: Den exw ypoch moy oles tis dhlwseis. Kai ekeines tis opoies gnwrizw den tis sxoliazw, dioti einai dhlwseis boyleytwn h allwn melwn toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, tis opoies pagiws den sxoliazw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy: Entajei, as fygoyme apo tis dhlwseis afoy den qelete na sxoliazete tis dhlwseis twn boyleytwn. Sas kanw thn erwthsh alliws. Yparxei skech sthn kybernhsh, sto Megaro Majimoy, o Prwqypoyrgos na kanei mia tetoia kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Paragnwrizete, gia mia akomh fora, kati poly aplo to opoio exw pei. O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs einai ekeinos o opoios anelabe thn prwtoboylia ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias ths Neas Dhmokratias na proteinei th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, prokeimenoy na diereynhqoyn osa prepei na diereynhqoyn. H kybernhsh den kanei kati allo apo to na anamenei thn oloklhrwsh ayths ths ereynas. Opws gnwrizete, ta melh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs einai ekeina poy diatypwnoyn to porisma, katalhgoyn se ayto, meta thn akroash twn martyrwn poy exoyn prosklhqei kai kataqetoyn sthn Epitroph, kai oxi kapoios allos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh prin apo ligo, sthn epishmansh ths synadelfoy k. Kalogeropoyloy, arnhqhkate pws yparxoyn allhlokarfwmata kai eipate oti ola ayta einai diastreblwmenh eikona poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, epimenei akomh h kybernhsh sthn apoch oti meta tis xqesines kataqeseis kai me bash to kaqeayto periexomeno toys, oi Ypoyrgoi paraplanhqhkan sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo gia to periexomeno twn kataqesewn, peran twn oswn exw hdh pei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw den sas rwtaw gia to periexomeno twn kataqesewn, alla me bash to periexomeno twn kataqesewn, epimenete sth grammh poy eseis, h kybernhsh, eixate yposthrijei arxika oti exoyn paraplanhqei Ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw prosqesw kati se osa exw pei.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo ta mexri twra eyrhmata olwn twn dhmoskophsewn, fainetai oti sthn koinh gnwmh exei empedwqei h apoch oti se aythn thn ypoqesh yparxoyn politikes eyqynes. Yparxoyn polla stelexh sas, ta opoia lene oti ``an den akoysoyme ayto poy mas leei h koinh gnwmh kai meinoyme sth logikh ths mh apodoshs eyqynwn den qa mporesoyme kai na anakamcoyme'' . Symmerizeste ayth thn apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Symmerizomai mia kai mono apoch, aplh: H kybernhsh, opws kaqe qesmos o opoios sebetai tis qesmikes leitoyrgies toy kratoys, prepei na anamenei thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Tipote allo.

MELIGKWNHS: Ej aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe na symperanoyme oti den mporeite na peite ayto poy legate tis proalles, oti den sas prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa exw pei shmera.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, aisqanetai h kybernhsh thn anagkh na eyxaristhsei ton k. Karatzaferh poy anakoinwse xqes oti an ta pragmata synexistoyn etsi, den qa kataqesei porisma me to opoio qa zhtei th systash Proanakritikhs Epitrophs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, poy einai ekeinh h opoia proteine th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, prokeimenoy na ginei mia eis baqos diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs, anamenei thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas kai th diatypwsh toy porismatos apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Mhn jexnate oti me tis shmerines kataqeseis, ej oswn gnwrizw, oloklhrwnetai h diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs.

GKATSIOS: Epeidh, opws eipate prohgoymenws, me tis shmerines kataqeseis oloklhrwnetai...

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw.

GKATSIOS: Akribws. Sas exei afhsei kapoia aisqhsh olos aytos o kyklos poy oloklhrwnetai shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai se emena na kanw kapoio sxolio. Egw den qa parakoloyqhsw, se kamia periptwsh, ton ekproswpo toy PASOK k. Papakwnstantinoy, o opoios ws gnwston peftei apo th mia antifash sthn allh. Eipe, xqes, se mia erwthsh poy toy ekane synadelfos sas, epi lejei oti o ekproswpos Typoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs - -ennooyse ton eayto toy- - aploystata den qa kanei kati poy ton rwthsan, giati sebetai to qesmo kai sebetai th Boylh. Kai sthn epomenh erwthsh leei oti ``h qesh mas einai oti yphrje kentrikos sxediasmos kai mia seira martyrwn poy exoyn kataqesei, pisteyw oti prosqetoyn stoixeia se ayth thn kateyqynsh''. An ayto den einai antifash, mesa se diasthma enos, enamish leptoy poy xreiasthke gia na apanthqoyn dyo erwthseis, tote ti einai antifash; Aytoakyrwsh einai twn oswn leei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh to PASOK exei zhthsei kai to anoigma kapoiwn logariasmwn kai opws gnwrizoyme ayto argei na ginei, etsi, symfwna me dhlwseis poy akoysa prin apo ligo na kanei o k. Reppas ston CITY, to PASOK qa zhthsei na meinei anoikth h Epitroph. Eseis qa apodexosastan kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto afora th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs. Einai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Syzhteitai sto plaisio ths Boylhs. Se ayth th syzhthsh egw den exw na prosqesw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis epimenete orqa apo thn pleyra sas sth qesmikh apoch oti anamenete ta apotelesmata ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Oi boyleytes, omws, ths Neas Dhmokratias exoyn adiko otan epishmainoyn politikes eyqynes;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei: Den sxoliazw boyleytes kanenos kommatos kai fysika oyte ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla den einai enas h dyo. Mporei na einai dhmosiografikh diapistwsh oti plhqainoyn oi fwnes twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy miloyn gia politikes eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas poia einai;

PALAIOLOGOS: Exoyn adiko oi boyleytes poy miloyn gia politikes eyqynes;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na paw se ena allo qema. Gnwrizw oti den sxoliazete kommatikes diadikasies, alla epeidh h sygkekrimenh exei kybernhtikes proektaseis qa hqela to sxolio sas. Opws prokyptei apo to reportaz, h nomarxiakh syneleysh ths B' Aqhnwn htan programmatismenh gi` ayth thn Tetarth kai anablhqhke gia thn epomenh. Polloi apedwsan thn anabolh ayth se kako klima anamesa sta stelexh ths kybernhshs. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

BLABIANOS: Na perasw ligo sta oikonomika, k. Ekproswpe. Sas metaferw dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh, opws th diabasa se efhmerida, qelw na eimai safhs ep` aytoy: ``Kaqe xwra qa xrhsimopoihsei ta periqwria poy exei kai emeis logw ychlotatoy dhmosioy xreoys exoyme poly mikra periqwria''. Telikws, exoyme oxyrwqei enanti ths eperxomenhs krishs h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw kati to opoio eipa xqes kai to opoio katarriptei, me ton pio jekaqaro tropo, epixeirhmata ta opoia eixan xrhsimopoihqei sto poly prosfato parelqon, prin apo liges ebdomades. Polloi espeydan na poyn oti to diko mas sxedio gia thn ejasfalish ths reystothtas prosekroye se kapoia dhqen anyperblhta empodia sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Kai apodeiknyetai oti to diko mas sxedio gia thn ejasfalish ths reystothtas pros ofelos twn mikromesaiwn, twn noikokyriwn, olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, einai ena apo ta tria, ta opoia jeperasan ton skopelo ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, enw alla sxedia, opws fer` eipein ths Gallias, ejakoloyqoyn na ginontai antikeimeno eswterikhs ereynas, an mh ti allo, apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

Sas ypenqymizw akomh oti prin apo dyo ebdomades, xwris kamia parotrynsh, me dikh ths prwtoboylia, diapistwnontas oti yparxoyn dynatothtes epibohqhtikwn metrwn gia tis mikres kai tis poly mikres epixeirhseis, h ellhnikh kybernhsh apofasise kai eqese hdh se efarmogh to systhma eggyodosias gia poly mikres kai mikres epixeirhseis, gia daneia ycoys mexri 350.000 eyrw kai mhdeniko epitokio. Dhladh, epitokio to opoio kalyptetai apo to ellhniko Dhmosio. Me taxytatoys ryqmoys oloklhrwqhkan oi diaboyleyseis poy htan aparaithtes me ta xrhmatopistwtika idrymata, prokeimenoy na entaxqoyn kai ekeina se ayth th diadikasia. Apo tis plhrofories poy exw, poly syntoma, se deka hmeres an oxi ligotero, qa arxisoyn na ginontai oi prwtes ekroes pros toys endiaferomenoys. Aytes oi ekroes kai ayth h sthrijh pros mikres kai poly mikres epixeirhseis, erxontai gia na wfelhsoyn, gia na sthrijoyn, gia na dwsoyn xeira bohqeias pros ekeines tis epixeirhseis poy apoteloyn se megalo baqmo th raxokokalia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Dioti aforoyn se epixeirhseis poy apasxoloyn apo mhden - -ennow an einai aysthra oikogeneiakes kai den exoyn ergazomenoys kai ergazetai ekei ena zeygari syzygwn me ta paidia toys- - mexri 49 ergazomenoys.

Katalabainete, loipon, oti exoyn lhfqei sygkekrimena metra, pera apo ta metra poy lhfqhkan gia toys agrotes kai anakoinwqhkan hdh prin apo dyo ebdomades. Ta epishmane kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai stis arxes ayths ths ebdomadas sthn enhmerwtikh episkech poy ekane sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn.

Yparxei, synepws, mia systada metrwn, ta opoia efarmozoyme - -kai lew efarmozoyme, giati einai sthn prajh hdh, den einai anaggelies proqesewn- - poly prin h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai to eperxomeno Symboylio twn Arxhgwn Kratwn kai Kybernhsewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs egkrinei ta synolika metra, tis synolikes prwtoboylies gia olo to xwro ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Briskomaste, loipon, mprosta apo alles xwres.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Almoynia afhse, me tis dhlwseis poy ekane, na diafanei oti, en pash periptwsei, an h Ellada den kanei ayta poy prepei na kanei, qa janampei ypo epithrhsh. Sas anhsyxei ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti aytes einai oi dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Almoynia. Ektos toytoy, sthn Ellada, einai h shmerinh kybernhsh poy erije to elleimma poy h prohgoymenh kybernhsh to afhse se epipedo panw apo epta tois ekato, se epipeda katw apo 3%. Kai h diadikasia ayth gia to yperboliko elleimma einai aporroia, einai synepeia twn katastrofikwn oikonomikwn politikwn poy akoloyqhsan oi kybernhseis toy PASOK. Synepws, h shmerinh kybernhsh den ekane kati allo apo to na bgalei stadiaka kai apotelesmatika th xwra apo ayth th diadikasia.

MELIGKWNHS: Wstoso, k. Ekproswpe, oloena kai perissoteroi epishmainoyme oti etsi opws exei diamorfwqei h qetikh diafora, ayto to legomeno  spread metajy toy ellhnikoy kai toy germanikoy omologoy, ginontai oloena kai epaxqesteroi oi oroi toy daneismoy ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai oti hdh exei ayjhqei poly epikindyna to dhmosio xreos. Pws qa bgei h kybernhsh me ayto to  spread stis 180 monades - -baseis, poso einai- - stis arxes toy xronoy na daneistei gia na ylopoihsei ton Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ayta ta eidika qemata, parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Alogoskoyfh. Egw anaferqhka se ayta xqes kai den prokeitai na epanelqw.

ZORMPA: Qa hqela, an moy epitrepete, na epistrecw sthn oysia ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs moy: Diapistwnete eseis kako klima anamesa sta kybernhtika stelexh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ergazetai armonika, prokeimenoy na periorisei, kata to dynaton, tis periorismenes - -kai to tonizw ayto- - synepeies poy exei mexri ayth th stigmh h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish gia th xwra. Ayto einai to melhma mas, ayth einai h egnoia mas, aytos einai o stoxos ton opoio exoyme qesei. Kai apo ayto to stoxo tipote den mporei na mas kanei na allajoyme poreia.

MELIGKWNHS: Mporei h kybernhsh na ejhghsei gia poio logo ta mona kratika omologa poy diapragmateyontai einai ta trietoys diarkeias kai ta 5etoys, 10etoys kai 15etoys, k. Ekproswpe...

ANTWNAROS: An den kanw laqos, moy egine h idia erwthsh, xqes. Einai eidiko qema gia to opoio, parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

Sas eyxaristw.


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