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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-12-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 8 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 174102042

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(081208)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Dekembrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ayrio, Trith 9 Dekembrioy, stis 12:00, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Gia to qema poy qa syzhthqei sth synedriash qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

Stis 18:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton Dhmarxo Sofias k. Boyko Borissov o opoios episkeptetai epishma th xwra mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ta osa symbainoyn, akomh kai ayth thn wra, me poliorkies maqhtwn se Astynomika Tmhmata se oloklhrh th xwra, qa elege kaneis oti dinoyn th xaristikh bolh se mia plhgwmenh kybernhsh poy toys teleytaioys mhnes, eidika meta th DEQ, dokimazetai kaqhmerina. Rwtw, loipon, eyqews: Eiste ikanoi na antimetwpisete ayth th xaotikh katastash sthn opoia exei byqistei ayth th stigmh h xwra;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw oyte me toys xarakthrismoys, oyte me th diapistwsh thn opoia kanete. H symperifora orismenwn atomwn, ta opoia xarakthrise o Prwqypoyrgos molis pro oligoy, se dhlwsh thn opoia ekane  kai den qa epektaqw peran ayths den xarakthrizoyn, bebaiws, th symperifora ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn. H kybernhsh qa antimetwpisei ola ayta ta fainomena.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, posoi dekapentaxronoi prepei na dolofonhqoyn gia na kanei apodekth o Prwqypoyrgos mia paraithsh Ypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati. Exw topoqethqei gia ola ayta ta qemata.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh o k. Paylopoylos den mas ejhghse gia poioys logoys den egine dekth h paraithsh toy kai parepemce ston Prwqypoyrgo. Eseis ws Ekproswpos toy, mporeite na mas peite giati den egine dekth h paraithsh toy k. Paylopoyloy kai toy k. Xhnofwth;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa apodoqoyn eyqynes sth fysikh hgesia ths Astynomias gia ta ektropa poy ginontai dyo hmeres twra sto kentro ths Aqhnas kai allwn polewn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TERZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parapemcate sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy ekane logo gia akraia stoixeia. Oi maqhtes poy fainetai oti xwris kapoio organwmeno sxedio mazeyontai ejw apo astynomika Tmhmata einai akraia stoixeia;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios katafeygei se prajeis bias  h bia einai katadikastea se oles tis morfes ths profanws exei akraia symperifora. Den yparxei diakrish sth bia, jerete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh, milame gia dekapentaxronoys maqhtes.

ANTWNAROS: H askhsh bias einai katadikastea apo opoion thn kanei.

XIWTHS: Ligo prin, o Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh toy, eipe pws h kybernhsh sto ejhs qa prostateysei toys polites kai thn koinwnia. Pws akribws qa to kanei ayto; Ti parapanw qa kanei h kybernhsh apo ayta poy den ekane tis prohgoymenes hmeres gia na prostateysei toys polites kai thn koinwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Qa perimenete kai qa deite.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Poso ikanopoihmenoi eiste apo th leitoyrgia enos kratoys to opoio, dia ths Astynomias toy, den mporei na elegjei to parakratos twn Ejarxeiwn, to kratos twn Zwnianwn h tis perierges synallages poy ginontai kaqe brady se epipedo emporioy narkwtikwn sto Zefyri h kapoy alloy se ekeines tis perioxes kai h Astynomia dhlwnei adynamh na tis antimetwpisei; Kai anarwtiemai ti exete na apanthsete kai se poion qa apodwsete eyqynes gia ola ayta otan akomh kai h astynomeysh ths geitonias exei atonhsei. Ti ftaiei gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me ta epixeirhsiaka sxedia ths Astynomias, na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, para tayta, xqes eidame toylaxiston epta poleis ths Ellados, oysiastika na kaigontai. H Astynomia gia tipote den eyqynetai gi` ayta ta pragmata;

ANTWNAROS: Anefera oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti oi eyqynes qa apodoqoyn opoy prepei. Einai safes.

BLABIANOS: Den einai safes.

ANTWNAROS: Ean den to antilambaneste, einai dikaiwma sas na ekfrasete th gnwmh sas.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw pws xarakthrizei h kybernhsh ton qanato toy dekapentaxronoy; Htan ena tyxaio gegonos, htan ena memonwmeno gegonos; Pws to xarakthrizete;

ANTWNAROS: To xarakthrizoyme adiko xamo, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, toy nearoy maqhth. Opws gnwrizete, exoyme katadikasei symperifores oi opoies den synadoyn kai den prepei na synadoyn me to synolo, me th symperifora poy prepei na xarakthrizei to synolo twn gynaikwn kai twn andrwn ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Oson afora ta texnika qemata, ayta einai antikeimeno ereynas, h opoia diejagetai kai eimai bebaios oti qa katalhjei se apotelesmata. Ayto omws, den allazei kati. O xamos, o qanatos kaqe polith kai kyriws enos nearoy polith ayths ths xwras, einai ena ejairetika dysaresto, qlibero, tragiko gegonos kai eidika oi synqhkes ypo tis opoies egine, einai apolytws katadikastees.

KAKALHS: Otan meta apo kaqe kroysma astynomikhs bias kai aytarxismoy ta prohgoymena xronia h kybernhsh dhlwne oti eite einai memonwmeno fainomeno, eite oti h Astynomia einai se amyna kai kanei kala th doyleia ths, eite oti h bia askeitai apo toys diadhlwtes, den mporei basima na kathgorhqei gia hqikh aytoyrgia gia thn en cyxrw dolofonia toy dekapentaxronoy;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti an apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai sto armodio Ypoyrgeio qa breite arketes periptwseis opoy qa apodeiknyetai oti exoyn epiblhqei poines se organa ths Astynomias, ta opoia parebhsan ton orko poy exoyn dwsei kai den edrasan symfwna me toys kanones kai to kaqhkon toys, opws prepei na to askoyn.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, den rwthsa egw gia tis poines poy epiblhqhkan, alla gia th stash ths kybernhshs, thn politikh qesh ths kybernhshs se tetoia kroysmata. Ta prohgoymena xronia oysiastika panta enqarrynate kai epibrabeyate.

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw merikes dhlwseis poy exw kanei sto parelqon...

KAKALHS: Tis jerw poly kala. Edw hmoyn.

ANTWNAROS: ... opoy exw katadikasei...

KAKALHS: Jerw poly kala ti lete.

ANTWNAROS: Loipon, mh lete tote oti epibrabeya...

KAKALHS: Legate oti h Astynomia htan se amyna kai oti kanei kala th doyleia ths. Den anakateyomai sta epixeirhsiaka ths Astynomias. Aytes htan oi topoqethseis sas.

ANTWNAROS: Oyte o ypofainomenos, oyte o prokatoxos moy o k. Roysopoylos, exoyme epibrabeysei pote symperifora h opoia einai katadikastea.

KAKALHS: Kai ti qa kanete gia na apobalete meta apo ayto to anejithlo stigma ths kybernhshs poy epi qhteias ths dolofonhqhke en cyxrw enas dekapentaxronos;

ANTWNAROS: Qa ginoyn oles oi ereynes oi opoies xreiazontai. Etsi leitoyrgei to kratos dikaioy.

MPOTSARHS: Meta th dolofonia toy dekapentaxronoy htan anamenomena ta megalhs ektashs epeisodia. Gia akomh mia fora eidame kai mesa sthn Ermoy na katastrefontai dekades katasthmata. Epiteloys h Astynomia, pote qa empodisei aytoys toys 100 na katastrefoyn tis perioysies twn politwn kai poia einai h apanthsh ths kybernhshs stoys katasthmatarxes poy exoyn xasei thn perioysia toys;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn opoia ekane pro oligoy.

XIWTHS: Sth dhlwsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos edwse epishs mia aoristh yposxesh stoys katasthmatarxes poy katastrafhke h perioysia toys oti qa enisxyqoyn oikonomika. Exete parapanw leptomereies na mas dwsete pote akribws qa anakoinwqoyn tetoioy eidoys ryqmiseis;

ANTWNAROS: Mh lete pragmata ta opoia den exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos den milhse gia enisxysh. O Prwqypoyrgos milhse, kai eipe epi lejei, oti qa ejantlhsei kaqe dynatothta poy yparxei wste na apozhmiwqoyn amesws kai plhrws. Oxi na enisxyqoyn.

XIWTHS: H apozhmiwsh den einai enisxysh;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn hdh sygkekrimenes protaseis poy qa ejeidikeyqoyn apo ta synarmodia Ypoyrgeia entos twn amesws prosexwn hmerwn.

XIWTHS: Egw rwthsa to pote akribws qa ginei.

ANTWNAROS: Entos twn amesws prosexwn hmerwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo dyo xronia, o tote Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs o k. Polydwras, eixe ekfrasei thn apoch oti pisw apo aytoys, oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn ta epeisodia, briskotan o Synaspismos. Thn apoch ayth th symmerizetai shmera h kybernhsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh poy ekane shmera to meshmeri o Prwqypoyrgos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Miso lepto, moy epitrepete; Den eipe kati sxetiko gi` ayto poy sas rwtaw. Eipe allo o Prwqypoyrgos. Ejefrase th lyph toy kai eipe gia thn oikonomikh enisxysh. Sas rwtaw kati poly...

ANTWNAROS: Kanete megalo laqos. Sas parakalw na diabasete th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eixe pei o k. Polydwras oti briskotan apo pisw o Synaspismos. Eseis exete ayth thn apoch shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas lew oti menw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na apodoqoyn eyqynes gia th dolofonia toy dekapentaxronoy, pragmati qa apodoqoyn, giati jeroyme poioi einai oi enoxoi. Gia to oti kahke h Ermoy, kahkan ta Giannena, kahke h Qessalonikh, jeroyme poioi einai oi enoxoi; Exei syllhfqei kanenas;

ANTWNAROS: Qa ginoyn oi ereynes poy epiballetai.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ontws toso eseis oso kai o prokatoxos sas se analoga peristatika, oxi ths idias barythtas, me traymatismoys, me epeisodia klp, ontws ta eixate katadikasei kai ta eixate katadikasei aperifrasta. Panta legate ayto peripoy poy eipate kai shmera. Omws, sthn ejelijh, otan ftasame sthn apodosh twn poinwn, oi poines sthn syntriptikh toys pleiochfia, an oxi oles, htan poines  ``xadia''. Etsi eixan xarakthristei toylaxiston apo ola ta Mesa Enhmerwshs. Xarakthristikh periptwsh h ypoqesh ths legomenhs ``zarntinieras'' kai tis poines poy apodoqhkan tote. H mh apodosh poinwn, pragmatikwn poinwn, mhpws telika einai ayth poy dhmioyrgei ayta ta fainomena;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws memfeste thn dikaiodotikh diadikasia thn opoia egw den prokeitai na krinw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Afoy prin mas parapemcate sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs gia na...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sto armodio Ypoyrgeio, telos pantwn, gia na mas peite oti exoyn sto parelqon epiblhqei kapoies poines, mporeite sas parakalw na qymhqeite enan koykoyloforo poy na synelhfqh h enan koykoyloforo enantion toy opoioy askhqhke pragmatikh bia anti na askeitai, tyxaia h oxi, katadikastea pantws kai qlibera se dekapentaxrona paidia;

ANTWNAROS: Ean dokimazete th mnhmh moy mporei kai na sas apogohteysw. Den eimai ayth th stigmh se qesh na sas pw ean kai poies poines exoyn epiblhqei se atoma ta opoia exoyn drasei para to nomo. Eimai bebaios oti oi diwktikes Arxes kai h Dikaiosynh kanoyn th doyleia toys.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: (Den akoygetai) kanenan, kyrie Ekproswpe, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh den eimai se qesh na sas pw posa einai ayta ta atoma. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw, einai oti oloi oi dhmokratika skeptomenoi polites ths xwras exoyn kaqhkon, kai to kanoyn, den exw kamia amfibolia, na katadikazoyn tetoies paranomes symperifores oi opoies strefontai kata ths perioysias kai kata twn dikaiwmatwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, kata ths koinwnias.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti den qelete na ermhneysete th dikaiodotikh diadikasia, wstoso...

ANTWNAROS: Na krinw eipa. Den eipa na ermhneysw.

GKOYTZANHS: Wraia, na krinete, asxeto ayto. Sthn ypoqesh ``zarntinieras'' meta apo poly kairo emeis eidame oti timwrhqhke h zarntiniera enw o dioikhths poy htan ekei ypeyqynos phre metaqesh kai proagwgh. Sthn ypoqesh ths dolofonias toy dekapentaxronoy na perimenoyme analogh aysthrh timwria;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, sto sygkekrimeno symban exoyn epiblhqei poines.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh xqes yphrjan epwnymes martyries astynomikwn sta Mesa Enhmerwshs oti toys doqhke entolh na mhn plhsiasoyn tis perioxes poy ginontan ta epeisodia kai epeidh den eixame th dynatothta oloi emeis ki egw proswpika na kanw erwthsh ston Prwqypoyrgo, gi` ayto rwtaw esas. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, ayto exei sxesh me ta epixeirhsiaka sxedia, thn epixeirhsiakh drash ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Qa sas parakalesw, loipon, na apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

MANH: Rwtaw esas san Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs, 24 wres meta apo ayta poy eidame kai meta tis katastrofes, gia poio logo den yphrjan kapoia metra prolhchs; Giati na rwthsw ton ekproswpo ths Astynomias. Ton Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti ayta einai qemata epixeirhsiaka.

MANH: Ma egine mia syskech xqes brady sto Majimoy. Den to syzhthsate ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sthn Astynomia kai sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

MPOTSARHS: Oi syndikalistes, omws, epishmainoyn oti dexontai entoles apo thn politikh hgesia, prokeimenoy na mhn probainoyn se diafores energeies kata aytwn twn ``gnwstwn-agnwstwn'' koykoyloforwn. Kai malista einai kybernhtikh epilogh na mhn toys akoympaei kanenas. Ayto lene oi syndikalistes. Epomenws, den exoyn kamia sxesh, oyte o ekproswpos ths Astynomias, oyte oi dieyqyntes ths Astynomias.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kamia tetoia entolh ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla den jerete eseis san kybernhsh poies htan oi entoles poy doqhkan apo thn hgesia ths Astynomias to Sabbato to brady;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste sthn hgesia ths Astynomias. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos...

KAKALHS: Den exete eyqynh; Den eklegei o laos thn hgesia ths Astynomias. Eklegei thn kybernhsh. Kai apo esas perimenei na akoysei poies entoles...

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw den yparxei logos na ejapteste.

KAKALHS: Oxi, den ejaptomai, alla einai proklhtikos o tropos poy apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy.

KAKALHS: Safws, den einai dynaton na mhn jerete poies htan oi entoles ths hgesias ths Astynomias to Sabbato to brady pros ta tmhmata.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai doyleia toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na apantaei se ayton edw to xwro gia yphresiaka qemata ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai) oi pantes katalabainoyn oti ypekfeygete.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na katalabw to diekdikhtiko tropo me ton opoio qetete tis erwthseis sas. Erwthseis qetete kai exw dikaiwma na apantw me ton tropo poy egw, profanws, qa epilejw.

KAKALHS: Kai egw qa epishmainw oti aytes einai proklhtikes oi apanthseis poy dinete.

ANTWNAROS: Tis epishmanseis sas mporeite kallista na tis kanete ekei poy ergazeste. Den einai xwros epishmansewn edw.

KAKALHS: H erwthsh einai safhs. O laos den ejeleje thn hgesia ths Astynomias, alla esas. Eseis den gnwrizete poies entoles doqhkan apo thn Astynomia to brady toy Sabbatoy;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, gi` ayto to qema na apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia h sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Pote enhmerwqhkame apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai malista na akoyme na leei thn alhqeia; Oyte lejh den pisteyei kaneis apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa diereynhqoyn oi eyqynes ths Astynomias gia oligwria kai gia plhmmelh askhsh twn kaqhkontwn ths poy eixe synepeia na kaei to kentro ths Aqhnas kai merikwn akomh polewn kai na katastrafoyn perioysies;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi PASOK eixe perasei enas nomos opoy eprepe osoi kanoyn xrhsh oploy kai anhkoyn sthn Astynomia na pernane ana trietia h pentaetia apo cyxologo. Ton efarmozete ayto to nomo; Shmera, efarmozetai aytos o nomos;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: E, tote na paw na kanw to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

ANTWNAROS: Einai qema poy exei sxesh me thn Ellhnikh Astynomia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qelw na moy peite an enhmerwqhkate gia kapoia diadikastika qemata. Sas rwtane oi synadelfoi apo poion phran entolh. Yphrxe epixeirhsiako sxedio; Ayta hrqame na rwthsoyme. Den hrqame na mas peite na pame sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

ANTWNAROS: An hrqate na me rwthsete gia epixeirhsiako sxedio...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To jerame ayto, mporoysame na pame.

ANTWNAROS: ... eimai anarmodios gia na me rwthsete. Gi` ayto qa apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai hrqate na mas peite mono oti ekfrazete th lyph sas gia to gegonos; To exoyme akoysei apo proxqes to brady poy egine to gegonos. Ayto to jeroyme. Kati kainoyrgio mporoyme na maqoyme;

ANTWNAROS: An qelete na kanete erwthsh, mporeite na kanete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas ekana thn erwthsh kai sas parakalw ayrio na moy thn apanthsete efoson den to gnwrizete shmera. Sas erwtw, efarmozetai o nomos ton opoio exei chfisei to PASOK kai elege oti oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi kanoyn xrhsh oploy kai anhkoyn sthn Astynomia, prepei na pernane apo cyxologo kaqe tria h pente xronia; Sas erwtw...

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mporeite na moy to apanthsete ayrio, an qelete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Ellhnikh Astynomia, entajei, epeidh mas parapempete poly syxna synhqws, basika apo tis erwthseis poy sas ekanan synadelfoi sto Arxhgeio, (den akoygetai) den exei to aytodioikhto. Opote rwtame, logiko einai, kapoia pragmata an exoyn timwrhqei.

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

FANIDHS: Wraia, na rwthsw kati allo. Oi politikes eyqynes, kata th gnwmh sas, ejantloyntai sth mh apodoxh apo ton Kwsta Karamanlh ths paraithshs twn k. Paylopoyloy kai Xhnofwth; Dhladh, o fysikos proistamenos ths Astynomias o k. Xhnofwths, ti htan sthn prokeimenh periptwsh; Enas paraplanhqeis Ypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina, den katalabainw ti qelete na peite.

FANIDHS: Ma, einai safes to erwthma. Politikes eyqynes yparxoyn kyrie Ekproswpe, h epikentrwnontai oles sthn paraithsh toy k. Paylopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, den diakrinw na yparxoyn.

XIWTHS: Den diakrinete politikes eyqynes gia to qanato toy 15xronoy, ap` o,ti katalabainw. Den diakrinete politikh eyqynh ths kybernhshs kai gia tis katastrofes poy yphrjan xqes kai shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den egine antilhpto ayto to opoio eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai sto opoio epanerxomai. H bia h opoia askhqhke apo kapoies omades, oi opoies phran ws aformh to tragiko ayto symban, prokeimenoy na ekfrasoyn me ayto ton tropo kapoia qesh poy exoyn; Qa moy epitrecete na amfisbhthsw thn ekfrash oti ``exoyn qesh'', thn opoia xrhsimopoihsa molis. Profanws, o stoxos toys einai h katastrofh. Exete thn entypwsh oti qa mporoysan na eixan apofeyxqei oles; Egw poly to amfisbhtw. Qa ginei omws ereyna kai h ereyna otan oloklhrwqei, epeidh den ginetai entos mias hmeras, opws endexomenws qa hqelan oi dhmosiografoi kai ta media, qa katadeijei o,ti prepei na katadeijei. Den exw na pw kati allo panw se ayto.

XIWTHS: Den sas rwtw an yparxoyn eyqynes se sygkekrimenoys ajiwmatoyxoys poy den katorqwsan na perifroyrhsoyn tis perioxes. Telikh eyqynh sthn kybernhsh yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: H eyqynh yparxei prwta-prwta s` aytoys poy katefygan sth bia.

XIWTHS: Ayto einai to ena skelos. Yparxei kai ena deytero skelos.

ANTWNAROS: ... Kai aytoi timwroyntai apo thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh, efoson syllhfqoyn.

XIWTHS: Moy epitrepete; Ayto einai to ena skelos poy lete. To deytero skelos einai oti opoy yparxei bia, yparxei ena kratos poy prepei na thn antimetwpizei kai den thn antimetwpise xqes kai shmera. Gia to gegonos oti ayth h bia den antimetwpisthke, h kybernhsh qewrei oti ferei eyqynh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KALARITHS: To gegonos oti ta Ejarxeia apoteloyn sthn prajh mia perioxh me idiaitero kaqestws, opoy h tajh ekei fainetai oti den efarmozetai kai apotelei phgh deinwn gia thn koinwnia kai thn Politeia eite apo akraies symperifores atomwn, eite apo akraies symperifores organwn ths Tajhs, ws apanthsh s` ayto. Pisteyete oti yparxei politikh eyqynh gia to oti pente xronia poy hsaste eseis kybernhsh den exei...

ANTWNAROS: Afhste ton oro politikh eyqynh. Exei ginei ton teleytaio kairo mia karamela, thn opoia thn pipilane oloi.

KALARITHS: Na to qesw alliws. Mporw na to diatypwsw alliws; Pisteyete oti yparxei elleich politikhs boylhshs gia qema kostoys, h elleich epixeirhsiakhs eparkeias gia na elegxqei h perioxh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio einai shmantiko, kai sas to exw pei kai egw o idios polles fores, einai na ejasfalizetai -kai einai adianohto na mhn ejasfalizetai- h prosbash kai h eleyqerh diakinhsh olwn twn politwn se kaqe spiqamh ths ellhnikhs Epikrateias. Kai ayto, bebaiws, einai ypoxrewsh twn organwn ths Politeias na to ejasfalisei.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kai afoy einai qema twn organwn ths Politeias kai ths tajhs profanws, o k. Paylopoylos kai o k. Xhnofwths ypebalan tis paraithseis toys. oi opoies den eginan dektes gia logoys eyqijias. Ton k. Tsiatoyra, den ton eidame poyqena oles aytes tis hmeres. Mporei na dhlwnete anarmodios eseis, alla efoson einai epixeirhsiako to qema kai emfanisthke toso megalo keno, o k. Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias giati einai akomh sto grafeio toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas apanthsw ep` aytoy. Askei ta kaqhkonta toy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den qa eprepe; Pws ta askei, ayto einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MANH: H entajh twn eidikwn froyrwn sto swma ths Astynomias egine to kalokairi me nomosxedio poy chfisthke sto qerino tmhma kai malista yphrjan kai diaplhktismoi sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs toy nomosxedioy metajy ekproswpwn twn astynomikwn kai ekproswpwn twn eidikwn froyrwn mesa sth Boylh. Metajy allwn, problepei aytos o nomos, pia, thn taxyryqmh ekpaideysh twn eidikwn froyrwn, dioti den exoyn labei thn ekpaideysh twn astynomikwn, an qymamai kala, tesseris mhnes. Meta apo ayto to tragiko, loipon, peristatiko h kybernhsh qa skefqei epanejetash toy qesmikoy plaisioy me to opoio oi eidikoi froyroi exoyn mpei sto Swma ths Astynomias;

ANTWNAROS: Th xqesinh synenteyjh toy k. Paylopoyloy th diabasate. Exoyn apanthqei ola ayta.

MANH: Kati neotero den yparxei;

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh qelete na to apofygete, egw qa sas to qesw pio jekaqara. Askeitai kritikh kai exei graftei oti h Astynomia den efarmose kanena epixeirhsiako sxedio gia thn apotroph ths megalhs ektashs twn katastrofwn kai ayto katopin entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Den einai qema epixeirhsiakwn sxediwn gia na rwthsoyme thn Astynomia. Einai qema ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

TERZHS: H erwthsh einai h ejhs: Apo th stigmh poy o armodios Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, kanei logo gia amyntikh taktikh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias einai oi dhlwseis toy oi xqesines. Rwtaw to ejhs kai qelw mia safh apanthsh giati den thn exw labei, nomizw, h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ton tropo xeirismoy ths ypoqeshs apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws. Exei topoqethqei kai o k. Paylopoylos kai xqes to brady. Epilegete na apomonwsete mia frash apo th xqesinh prwinh toy dhlwsh enw exei kanei kai allh dhlwsh, xqes to brady. Ekane kai dhlwsh o Prwqypoyrgos. Ekeino to opoio den blepw, kai moy kanei entypwsh, einai oti qa perimena na einai pio jekaqarh h katadikh ths biaihs symperiforas, ths katastreptikhs symperiforas aytwn twn oligwn -egw pisteyw- oi opoioi proebhsan se aytes tis katastrofes. Aytoi exoyn thn eyqynh kai oxi h Ellhnikh Astynomia, gia tis katastrofes.

TERZHS: An moy epitrepete, kyrie Ekproswpe, egw exw esas mprosta moy, den exw ton ekproswpo twn koykoyloforwn...

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

TERZHS: Kai rwthsa, an h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ton tropo poy h Ellhnikh Astynomia xeiristhke toys 100 poy eipate eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eipa 100;

TERZHS: Ekato eipate, oxi parapanw, molis prin apo ligo.

ANTWNAROS: Oligoi, eipa. Egw den eipa 100.

TERZHS: Me sygxwreite, akomh loipon xeirotera gia thn Ellhnikh Astynomia, an den mporei na elegjei toys ``oligoys'', opws eipate kai erwtw: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ton tropo poy diaxeiristhke h Ellhnikh Astynomia thn ypoqesh ayth ta teleytaia 24wra; Ofeiletai kai se poio logo ayth h eikona sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Emena me endiaferei, an eiste ikanopoihmenoi ws kybernhsh. Den zhtaw oyte epixeirhsiaka, oyte tipote allo.

ANTWNAROS: Ola qa synektimhqoyn. Menw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ayto poy rwthse o k. Terzhs, apo ton opoio malista zhthsate na katadikasei kai toys koykoyloforoys...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto k. Kalogeropoyloy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: En pash periptwsei, den einai ayto to qema moy. Egw ayto poy den katalabainw apo esas k. Ekproswpe: Einai ypoxrewmenh h ellhnikh Politeia na prostateysei kat` arxhn to gonea poy bgainei to paidi toy, to maqhth, ton katasthmatarxh poy toy spane to magazi, ton polith o opoios perna kai toy erxetai mia petra sto kefali, h Politeia einai ypoxrewmenh na ton profylajei;

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; Eyxaristws. Ayto akribws leei o Prwqypoyrgos. Profanws, den to exete mprosta sas gia na to empedwsete.

STAQOPOYLOS: H ereyna gia to qanato toy 15xronoy exei oloklhrwqei; Gnwrizoyme telika kati apo thn iatrodikastikh ereyna, apo th ballistikh ereyna;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoia stoixeia, ayth th stigmh.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn Tetarth qa exoyme mia megalh sygkentrwsh sthn Aqhna. Apergia ths GSEE kai ths ADEDY. Yparxei eidikh entolh apo thn politikh hgesia pros thn Astynomia gi` ayth th sygkentrwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

BLABIANOS: An yparxei, gia thn...

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi Ellhnes, to exw pei epaneilhmmenws, exoyn to dikaiwma na kanoyn xrhsh toy dikaiwmatos poy exoyn na diadhlwnoyn, na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos. Hsyxa, hrema kai xwris na qetoyn se kindyno oyte th zwh, oyte thn perioysia twn allwn politwn. Ayto einai poly aplo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes nomizw o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn eipe oti mporei kai prepei na ginoyn diadhlwseis. Mhpws mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati ayth thn protroph gia tis diadhlwseis;

ANTWNAROS: ``Antilambanetai kaneis se aytes tis periptwseis thn orgh poy mporei na yparxei. Antilambanetai kaneis, epishs, to gegonos oti o kaqenas, sto plaisio ths askhshs twn dikaiwmatwn ta opoia to Syntagma ejasfalizei'' -ayto poy sas eipa molis egw- ``mporei na diadhlwnei ayto to opoio qelei na ekdhlwsei''. Den eipe poyqena ``prepei'', opws moy eipate.

GKOYTZANHS: Loipon, sas diabazw dhlwsh...

ANTWNAROS: ``Ekeino to opoio einai adianohto einai h wmh bia, h opoia strefetai enantion ths koinwnikhs galhnhs kai enantion ths perioysias aqwwn anqrwpwn. Einai aparadekto. Einai kataxrhsh twn dikaiwmatwn kai strefetai enantion toy idioy toy koinwnikoy synoloy''. Ayth einai h dhlwsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, nai. Na sas diabasw kai egw dhlwsh toy: ``To lew ayto enocei kai twn diadhlwsewn, oi opoies qa ginoyn kai oi opoies mporei kai prepei na ginoyn. Einai to apolyto dikaiwma toy kaqenos'' k.t.l. ``Mporei kai prepei na ginoyn''. Einai safestato. Den jerw, twra, exei kanei polles dhlwseis...

ANTWNAROS: Kai poy blepete eseis to problhma;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, ayto lew.

ANTWNAROS: Oi Ellhnes den exoyn to dikaiwma na kanoyn diadhlwseis;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, leei ``mporei kai prepei na ginoyn''. Ayto rwtaw: Mhpws mporeite na mas ejhghsete ayth thn protroph na ginoyn diadhlwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws exete ena tropo na ta ermhneyete eseis, ton opoio egw antilambanomai diaforetika.

KAKALHS: Katadikazete san kybernhsh th bia, poy thn entopizete se akraies omades kai ajiwnete malista...

ANTWNAROS: Oles tis morfes bias katadikazw k. Kakalh, anejairetws. Kamias ejairoymenhs.

KAKALHS: Wraia. H erwthsh einai safhs: Katadikazete thn astynomikh bia etsi opws ekdhlwnetai diarkws kai adialeiptws;

ANTWNAROS: Katadikazw oles tis morfes bias apo opoydhpote kai an proerxontai. Anejairetws.

KAKALHS: Kai thn astynomikh bia.

ANTWNAROS: Katadikazw oles tis morfes bias anejairetws. H askhsh bias den einai symbath me to dhmokratiko politeyma.

KAKALHS: Mono stis akraies omades to entopisate. Egw rwtaw gia thn astynomia.

ANTWNAROS: Apo opoydhpote kai an proerxetai.

SWTHRIADOY: Sas akoysame poy legate prin oti den sas prokyptoyn, den diakrinete, politikes eyqynes. Na ypoqesw oti diakrinete eyqynes ths Astynomias; Giati otan symbainei kati tetoio, kapoios anazhta eyqynes. Leme, dhladh, aploika: Poios ftaiei gi` ayto to pragma; Na dexqoyme oti den ftaiei h Politeia. Ftaiei h Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta ap` ola, ftaine aytoi poy katafeygoyn se bia.

SWTHRIADOY: Kai meta;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta ap` ola, ftaine aytoi poy katafeygoyn se bia.

SWTHRIADOY: Aytoi poy katafeygoyn sth bia. Kai meta poios ftaiei; H Politeia h h Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Ean yparxoyn qemata sxetika me th symperifora ths Astynomias, ayta qa diereynhqoyn.

XIWTHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, den yphrje eparkhs h rhth katadikh. Apo poioys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo.

XIWTHS: Eseis to eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw ayto. Eipa oti qa perimena na yparxei.

XIWTHS: Apo poioys qa to perimenate;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, proxqes to brady, to Sabbato to brady, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn kai o Yfypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajews ypebalan tis paraithseis toys. Ara, qewroyn oti endexomenws yphrxan politikes eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: ``Gia logoys eyqijias'', anaferei h anakoinwsh poy egine.

GKOYTZANHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den tis ekane dektes. Ara, apo ayto symperainoyme oti o Prwqypoyrgos dinei politikh kalych kai analambanei ekeinos thn politikh eyqynh;

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos kai o Yfypoyrgos - -epeidh lete pragmata ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn ypobolh ths paraithshs- - ypebalan tis paraithseis toys gia logoys eyqijias kai oxi gia toys logoys toys opoioys eseis epikaleiste.

STAQOPOYLOS: Gia ton tropo poy antedrasan ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.


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