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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-09

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 9 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 179659130

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(090109)

O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Ianoyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhspera.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h prwth synedriash ths Oikonomikhs Epitrophs, th systash ths opoias apofasise o Prwqypoyrgos. O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, ekane dhlwseis, stis opoies akribws, epeshmane oti antikeimeno ths shmerinhs synedriashs htan mia synolikh, mia diejodikh anaskophsh olwn twn dedomenwn, olwn twn stoixeiwn ta opoia yparxoyn gia th dieqnh oikonomikh krish kai tis epiptwseis sth dikh mas th xwra, sth dikh mas oikonomia. Prokeitai gia mia krish, opws gnwrizete, poy synexws ejelissetai me grhgoroys ryqmoys, xwris na mporei na pei kapoios oyte posh qa einai h diarkeia ths, oyte to eyros ths, oyte bebaiws oles ths tis parametroys. Gi` ayto akribws prepei ta anaklastika na einai grhgora, wste na ginontai me thn aparaithth koinwnikh eyaisqhsia oles oi prosarmoges poy apaitoyntai.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, o k. Paylopoylos qa einai proistamenos h synergaths toy anaplhrwth Ypoyrgoy toy, armodio gia ta qemata Dhmosias Tajhs, toy k. Markogiannakh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn apanthqei ola ayta ta qemata me safh tropo.

FANIDHS: Pote;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios gnwrizei pws leitoyrgei h kybernhsh, den xreiazetai na kanei tetoies erwthseis.

SMYRNHS: Yparxei skech h endexomeno, allaghs oikonomikhs politikhs ap` thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane dhlwseis o k. Papaqanasioy, opws sas eipa, tis opoies eimai bebaios oti exete ypoch sas.

SMYRNHS: To afhse anoixto, gi` ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exoyme pei kai alles fores, to eipa kai egw, to lew kai mia akomh fora kai twra: H krish einai se ejelijh. Kai opws exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, poly prosfata, molis xqes, sthn omilia thn opoia ekane pros ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, h krish ayth ejelissetai synexws. Exei oloena kai diaforetikes parametroys kai synepws ekeino to opoio einai to zhtoymeno -kai emeis to kanoyme synexws af` otoy jespase ayth h krish- einai na prosarmozoyme thn politikh h opoia askeitai sta dedomena ta opoia prokyptoyn kaqe fora.

GARGALAKOS: Dyo erwthseis exw. H prwth einai h ejhs: H mexri toyde oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs qewreitai epityxhmenh; Kai an nai, tote giati o arxitektonas ayths ths politikhs oxi mono ejostrakisthke apo to Ypoyrgeio, alla kai entelws apo to kybernhtiko sxhma;

ANTWNAROS: Se ola ta qemata edwse apanthsh xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Sas parakalw na th diabasete prosektika. Den nomizw oti amfisbhtei kapoios oti h oikonomikh politikh h opoia askhqhke, af` otoy to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias ejelegh apo thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn na kybernhsei th xwra, ths anateqhke h eyqynh gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras, eixe sygkekrimena apta apotelesmata. Sas ypenqymizw thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias, th meiwsh twn elleimmatwn kai alla polla, ta opoia ayth th stigmh den einai ths wras na anaferw. Alla, nomizw oti se oloys esas poy erxeste taktika se ayth thn aiqoysa alla kai se alloys synadelfoys sas poy parakoloyqoyn taktika tis enhmerwseis, ayta einai safh.

GARGALAKOS: Gia ola ta qemata ths oikonomikhs strathgikhs, qa synedriazei h sygkekrimenh epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw, an qelete, to keimeno, den exw kamia antirrhsh na to kanw. Allwste, prokeitai gia dhmosio eggrafo. Einai apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Leei, loipon, to tetarto edafio ths apofashs, me xqesinh hmeromhnia: ``H Epitroph Oikonomikhs Politikhs einai armodia gia th systhmatikh parakoloyqhsh kai to syntonismo efarmoghs ths kybernhtikhs politikhs ston tomea ths oikonomias, twn oikonomikwn kai ths anaptyjhs''. Melh ths Epitrophs, ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai oi treis Ypoyrgoi, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs kai o Ypoyrgos Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn 'Ergwn. Einai ta tria Ypoyrgeia -bebaia me koryfaio to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias- poy exoyn to megalytero antikeimeno oikonomikoy ergoy, an mporw na to pw etsi. Shmera paresth katopin prosklhsews kai o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados o k. Probopoylos. Ayto, allwste, eixe perilhfqei kai sth xqesinobradinh anakoinwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw mia aporia. Dedomenoy oti kai symfwna me to Syntagma, h oikonomikh politikh askeitai apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Oikonomias, en prokeimenw apo ton k. Papaqanasioy, se synennohsh panta me ton Prwqypoyrgo, anarwtiemai poios o logos na systaqei ayth h diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, sas diabasa to edafio to opoio leei poio einai to antikeimeno ths Epitrophs. Deyteron, oloi gnwrizoyn oti dianyoyme mia jexwristh, asynhqisth dieqnh oikonomikh krish. Tetoia krish den exei gnwrisei o kosmos oloklhros ta teleytaia 80 xronia. Einai monadikh. Synepws, ekeino to opoio metraei ayth th stigmh einai, me oso to dynato kalytero syntonismo kai syllogikothta, na briskontai oi aparaithtes proseggiseis sta qemata ths oikonomias. Sta qemata poy aggizoyn th zwh olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, omws, giati htan dyo oi erwthseis moy: Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh yparxei ayth h krish kai anagkasthke h ypoxrewqhke, telos pantwn, h kybernhsh h o Prwqypoyrgos na parei thn apofash gia th systash aytoy toy organoy.

ANTWNAROS: Apofasise o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apofasise.

ANTWNAROS: Den ``ypoxreoytai'' o Prwqypoyrgos kai den ``ejanagkazetai'' apo kanenan o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Lew ``ejanagkasthke'' logw twn gegonotwn ths oikonomikhs krishs. Poios o logos na symmetexei, kat` arxhn, o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Giwrgos Soyflias se sysxetish kai na mhn metexei fer` eipein o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, poy epishs einai ena Ypoyrgeio oikonomikoy kykloy h o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhghsa molis pro oligoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate, nai. Alla nomizw oti kai to qema ths agrotikhs oikonomias, ths agrotikhs anaptyjhs einai basikh parametros ths oikonomikhs politikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti metexoyn ekeina ta Ypoyrgeia, oi epikefalhs twn triwn Ypoyrgeiwn, ta opoia exoyn kai to megalytero antikeimeno oikonomikoy ergoy. En pash periptwsei, ayth einai h apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai etsi qa leitoyrghsei kai sto mellon. H Epitroph ayth qa synedriazei taktika.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, pws xarakthrizei h kybernhsh ayth th stigmh thn katastash poy epikratei stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Thn perigrafei ws krish, ws aplh entash h ws kati perastiko; Giati apo to efalthrio ths prin apo kapoio xroniko diasthma, poy htan to tajidaki edw toy norbhgikoy ploioy, eseis den to sxoliasate, h kybernhsh den eixe problhma. Twra exoyme ftasei se ena shmeio poy perigrafetai ws dyskolo. Peste moy.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kai tote eixe topoqethqei kai eixe topoqethqei me jekaqaro tropo. Epishs h kybernhsh topoqethqhke me jekaqaro tropo dia ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Ntoras Mpakogiannh proxqes. Phre qesh. Einai gnwsth h anakoinwsh thn opoia exei ekdwsei h k. Mpakogiannh. Xarakthrizei tis toyrkikes energeies sthn perioxh toy Farmakonhsioy kai toy Agaqonhsioy ws aparadektes. Leei oti parabiazoyn katafwra to dieqnes dikaio kai epibarynoyn tis prospaqeies poy kataballontai gia th beltiwsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Exw dwsei, eipe h k. Mpakogiannh -ayto htan proxqes- odhgies gia na pragmatopoihqoyn ta sxetika diabhmata. Dhmosia dhlwsh, ekane xqes epishs, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Eyaggelos Meimarakhs. Kai se ayth th dhlwsh parapempw. O k. Meimarakhs leei xarakthristika oti h symperifora twn Toyrkwn den einai cyxraimh kai h Ellada pisteyei oti ayth h symperifora den synadei me ena kratos-melos poy einai symmaxos sto NATO. Den synadei me th symperifora enos kratoys poy qelei na mpei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai tonizei o k. Meimarakhs oti ta stelexh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn qa perifroyrhsoyn th staqerothta kai thn omalothta, kaqws kai thn eqnikh kyriarxia kai oi Ellhnes polites mporoyn na koimoyntai hsyxa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Einai mia skala parapanw ayto, h dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh se sxesh me th dhlwsh ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti o k. Meimarakhs topoqeteitai ws Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas. H k. Mpakogiannh topoqeteitai ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Shmasia exei oti h Ellada den qa epitrecei se kanenan na amfisbhthsei eqnika kai kyriarxika ths dikaiwmata.

KAKARNIAS: Eipate oti h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph qa synedriazei taktika. Exei teqei kapoio safes xronodiagramma ergoy gia thn Epitroph h einai mia Epitroph h opoia qa einai monimh, dhladh den qa exei kapoio sygkekrimeno ergo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw kati parapanw. Parakalw na deite kai thn apofash. Taktikh synedriash ths Epitrophs shmainei ayto poy leei h lejh: Taktikh synedriash. Den exw na sas pw ayth th stigmh kaqe pote qa synedriazei. Ayto qa to deite ki eseis allwste, sthn prajh.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prwta qelw na sas sygxarw ki egw gia thn ananewsh ths idiothtas sas ws Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai deyteron na sas rwthsw, meta thn prwth synedriash ths oikonomikhs epitrophs, an yparxoyn ektimhseis gia perissoterh koinwnikh prosfora ths kybernhshs ws pros toys asqenesteroys oikonomika sympolites mas. Kai to lew ayto giati h symmetoxh ths Trapezas ths Ellados toy k. Probopoyloy, h shmerinh toy symmetoxh isws shmatodotei kai thn prwth toy anafora kai ypodeijh sthn kybernhsh oti apo ta prwta poy prepei na kanei einai na sthrijei toys oikonomika asqenesteroys. Qymamai oti to eixe pei molis anelabe.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei epideijei sthn prajh thn koinwnikh ths eyaisqhsia me sygkekrimena metra kaq` olh th diarkeia ths diadromhs ths apo ton Martio toy 2004 mexri shmera. Den exw ayth th stigmh na sas pw kati sygkekrimeno. Dioti, opws sas eipa, den elabe kapoies apofaseis h sygkekrimenh epitroph poy synedriase meta apo prwtoboylia kai ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eipa, eisagwgika anaferomenos sth shmerinh synedriash ths epitrophs, oti lambanontai ypoch ola ta dedomena, ola ta pragmatika peristatika, oles oi parametroi, wste kaqe fora, kaqe stigmh na ginontai oi aparaithtes prosarmoges me thn aparaithth, me thn endedeigmenh koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. Ayto to kaname, to kanoyme kai qa ejakoloyqhsoyme na to kanoyme.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta ton anasxhmatismo o opoios paei, perase, qa exoyme kai anasxhmatismo se organismoys sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn kai twn drasewn twn newn Ypoyrgwn kai twn newn kateyqynsewn poy exoyne;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas anakoinwsw kati. Ean yparjei kati tetoio -kai sas to lew dioti pragmatika den yparxei ayth th stigmh kati sygkekrimeno- eimai bebaios oti qa to plhroforhqeite apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi epiblepoyn opws prokyptei apo tis armodiothtes toys, aytoys toys organismoys poy anaferete. Alla den yparxei ayth th stigmh kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epanerxomai sto qema me th systash ths Oikonomikhs Epitrophs kai anarwtiemai, efoson einai ena organo qesmikoy xarakthra, afoy to systhnei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, poies qa einai oi sxeseis me thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph poy epishs einai ena qesmiko organo. Qa einai panw apo thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph ayto to organo; Dhladh eidika gia ta qemata oikonomias qa synedriazei prwtistws ayth h Epitroph gia ta oikonomika kai meta qa synerxetai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia thn enhmerwsh kai twn ypoloipwn Ypoyrgwn; Epeidh einai kai qesmiko to zhthma. Pws akribws qa einai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Einai san na me rwtate ti sxesh exei ayth h Epitroph fer` eipein me to KYSEA. Allo antikeimeno exei h mia epitroph allo antikeimeno exei h allh epitroph.

PALAIOLOGOS: Poly swsta to eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den exei kamia sxesh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate, oti kanei mia epitroph san to KYSEA.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa ayto. Eipa, einai sa na me rwtate ti sxesh exei to KYSEA me ayth thn Epitroph. Yparxoyn epitropes oi opoies exoyn sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. H Kybernhtikh Epitroph, qa sas to pw apla, exei poly eyrytero antikeimeno.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, anaferate ena paradeigma, gi` ayto kai to epikalesthka. Epeidh to epikalesthkate eseis to KYSEA. To KYSEA synerxetai gia sygkekrimenoys logoys, qesmoqethmenoys, gia zhthmata ejwterikhs politikhs, amynas, ejoplismwn klp. H Epitroph ayth poy systhnei o Prwqypoyrgos qa synerxetai katarxhn kaqe pote; Kaqe fora poy prokyptei ena gegonos oikonomikoy... ;

ANTWNAROS: Taktika. Me to antikeimeno poy sas eipa. Eyxaristws, an qelete na sas dwsw kai to keimeno ths apofashs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. H enhmerwsh poy qa ginetai gia zhthmata toy oikonomikoy kykloy, toy oikonomikoy periexomenoy, qa ginetai prwta stoys Ypoyrgoys poy symmetexoyn sthn Oikonomikh Epitroph kai meta qa ginetai enhmerwsh twn ypoloipwn Ypoyrgwn sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph; Pws akribws;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: H otan qa lambanontai apofaseis lew, qa lambanontai prwta apo thn Oikonomikh Epitroph kai meta qa synerxetai na tis epikyrwnei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den egine antilhpto ti eipa. Sas diabasa akribws to edafio.

PALAIOLOGOS: To edafio mporei na to diabasate, alla den moy apantate sthn prajh pws qa synerxetai.

FANIDHS: O anasxhmatismos egine k. Ekproswpe, alla einai profanes oti oi neoi Ypoyrgoi gia na mporesoyn na apodwsoyn ergo qa xreiastoyn propantos xrhmata. Qa hqela loipon na rwthsw an logw ths sobarhs dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias qa apantaei me xamogela sta aithmata twn newn Ypoyrgwn, giati opws eipe o k. Liaphs ``enw zhtoysa xrhmata, eisepratta xamogela''.

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete oi oikonomikes dynatothtes ths xwras mas einai sygkekrimenes, einai dedomenes. Kai ekeino to opoio frontizei na kanei h kybernhsh -egw milw ek meroys ths kybernhshs, opws gnwrizete- einai na kanei thn kalyterh katanomh twn yparxontwn porwn, etsi wste na wfeloyntai oso to dynaton perissoteroi Ellhnes polites kai na phgainei h xwra mprosta. Ayto to opoio qigete twra, to oti yparxei mia dysmenhs oikonomikh katastash, einai kati to opoio egw prwtos sas eipa. Einai kati to opoio prwtos apo oloys poly prin kapoioi alloi to antilhfqoyn oti yparxei h paradexqoyn oti yparxei -kai anaferomai bebaiws sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, gia na mhn yparxei kamia apolytws paranohsh- prwtos apo oloys loipon to eipe o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas, o Kwstas Karamanlhs. Synepws ekeino to opoio exoyme kaqhkon na kanoyme einai na frontizoyme wste oi yparxontes poroi, oi pragmatikoi poroi, aytoys poy exei sth diaqesh toy to ellhniko kratos, h ellhnikh Politeia na katanemontai oso to dynaton pio dikaia, oso to dynaton pio apotelesmatika pros ofelos twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw kati allo. Meta apo tis sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies poy anelabe o Prwqypoyrgos, hqela na sas rwthsw an o Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synexisei tis episkeceis sthn perifereia ta Sabbatokyriaka, opws mas eixe synhqisei toys prohgoymenoys dyo mhnes.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eixe synhqisei o Kwstas Karamanlhs, symplhrwnw egw, na kanei ola ta xronia apo tote poy ejelegh epikefalhs toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai to kanei synexws olo ayto to diasthma kai eimai bebaios, xwris na exw kati sygkekrimeno na sas pw, oti qa synexisei na to kanei.

SMYRNHS: Pantws k. Ekproswpe, an prospaqhsei na paei sto Agaqonhsi h sto Farmakonhsi, qa toy parei miamish mera. Kai to rwtaw ayto giati meta thn episkech toy k. Papoylia, o opoios proetrece na pane ekei kai toyristes Ellhnes h allodapoi, oi sygkoinwnies se ayta ta dyo nhsia einai toso spanies, poy kapoios gia na paei apo to kentro xreiazetai miamish me dyo meres. Qa allajei h syxnothta ths sygkoinwnias se dyo akritika nhsia, panw apo ta opoia petoyn toyrkika maxhtika;

ANTWNAROS: Qa prepei na labei kaneis ypoch toy oti h sygkoinwnia metajy ths hpeirwtikhs Elladas, toy kormoy ths Elladas kai twn nhsiwn toy Aigaioy, einai syxnh kai pyknh. Ayto den prepei na to amfisbhtei kaneis. Den qa prepei omws apo thn allh meria na paragnwrizei oti polla nhsia einai poly mikra kai den mporoyn fysika na exoyn kaqhmerinh apeyqeias epikoinwnia me ton kormo ths hpeirwtikhs Elladas. Shmasia exei omws oti ta teleytaia xronia h syndesh oloy toy nhsiwtikoy mas xwroy me thn hpeirwtikh Ellada exei pyknwsei. Kai shmasia exei, opws jerete, oti kai me tis problepomenes kai epitrepomenes apo ta eyrwpaika organa epidothseis, pyknwnei h sygkoinwnia ayth, h syndesh ayth akomh perissotero anamesa sthn hpeirwtikh Ellada kai sta mikra nhsia, poy exoyn mikro plhqysmo. Ayth akribws einai kai h ennoia twn epidothsewn aytwn twn aktoploikwn grammwn.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Yfypoyrgos, o k. Gkioylekas qa exei symmetoxh, emplokh sto qema ths enhmerwshs; Kai to rwtw giati eiste eseis o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, yparxei o Ypoyrgos o k. Paylopoylos poy aytonohta qa exei kapoia symmetoxh, o k. Gkioylekas qa exei emplokh sto qema ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto to opoio anakoinwsa proxqes kata thn anagnwsh toy katalogoy twn melwn ths kybernhshs. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai kapoia peraiterw dieykrinish, oyte mporei na yparxoyn paranohseis. Me ton k. Gkioyleka, otan orkistei, asfalws qa synergazomaste. Efoson qa einai armodios Yfypoyrgos, konta ston k. Paylopoylo. Opws jerete o k. Paylopoylos exei tis armodiothtes tis sygkekrimenes ths politikhs epistasias twn MME. Kai sas diabebaiw oti olo ayto to diasthma twn teleytaiwn dyomish, triwn mhnwn, h dikh moy synergasia me ton k. Paylopoylo htan acegadiasth, anefelh, apolytws armonikh, opws allwste htan h synergasia moy me ton k. Paylopoylo kai prin analabei aytes tis armodiothtes otan hmoyn kai egw anaplhrwths Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Kai eimai bebaios oti otan analabei ta nea toy kaqhkonta o k. Gkioylekas, thn idia morfh qa exei kai h dikh moy synergasia me ton k. Gkioyleka.

SMYRNHS: Qa sas paw se kati synnefiasmeno twra apo to anefelo. Hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh endexetai na ajiopoihsei eikones poy exoyn katagrafei apo thleoptikoys staqmoys kai en prokeimenw apo ton ALPHA, me ta toyrkika maxhtika na petane se ycos 100 metrwn panw apo to Agaqonhsi kai to Farmakonhsi ws ena epixeirhma ths toyrkikhs proklhtikothtas. Yparxei katagegrammenh thleoptikh eikona, ayto ennow, ws epixeirhma na to xrhsimopoihsete.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn, ajiologoyntai deontws.

FANIDHS: Hqela na rwthsw k. Ekproswpe, ean ston tomea ths Ygeias exoyn programmatistei kapoies allages. Kai to rwtw ayto twra giati o k. Abramopoylos eixe dhlwsei prin apo ligo kairo oti eixe oloklhrwsei to ergo toy sto Ypoyrgeio Ygeias. Parola ayta paremeine sth qesh toy. Den metakinhqhke opws kapoioi alloi synaderfoi toy. To erwthma einai emeine sth qesh toy kai den qa yparjei kati neotero kai apla emeine gia na oloklhrwsei to oloklhrwmeno ergo toy;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi gnwrizoyn kai to exei pei kai o idios o Ypoyrgos, o k. Abramopoylos, oti ston xwro ths Ygeias h doyleia pote den teleiwnei. Ayto to gnwrizete. Einai enas xwros o opoios endiaferei oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Oloi oi Ellhnes polites apeyqynontai se yphresies, poy asxoloyntai me qemata Ygeias, synepws panta ginetai kati kalytero. H prospaqeia gia beltiwsh einai synexhs. Den stamataei.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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