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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 19 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 181443895

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Ianoyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XATZARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, gia to synedrio-seminario poy egine thn Paraskeyh edw, opoy to organwse h Enwsh Akoloyqwn Typoy kai h opoia den enhmerwse toys anqrwpoys poy kalese, ton Ypoyrgo ton idio, ton k. Paylopoylo, toys alloys paragontes kai den toys edwse to plhres biografiko toy anqrwpoy poy eixan proskalesei. Den toys edwse ta stoixeia oti yphrje symboylos toy israhlinoy stratoy, toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Ton paroysiase aplws ws kaqhghth. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` aythn thn elliph enhmerwsh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H idiothta toy kaqhghth einai synexhs, otan thn exei kapoios. Allwste ayto den einai qema ths kaqhmerinhs enhmerwshs toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: An einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs h epanadiapragmateysh ths symfwnias me toys Rwsoys gia to fysiko aerio. Kai to rwtw ayto, me dedomeno to problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei ston efodiasmo ths xwras.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, se eyrwpaiko epipedo ginontai leptes, shmantikes diapragmateyseis olwn twn xwrwn tis opoies promhqeyei h Rwsikh Omospondia, me fysiko aerio, prokeimenoy na apokatastaqoyn ta zhthmata poy exoyn prokycei. Oi synennohseis aytes einai se ejelijh. Gnwrizete oti kai thn perasmenh ebdomada, sto ektakto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Energeias twn kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, eixe parastei kai eixe topoqethqei kai o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Kwsths Xatzhdakhs. Einai se ejelijh ola ayta ta zhthmata. Einai poly prowro, ayth th stigmh, na topoqethqei kapoios se tetoia qemata poy, opws eipa, briskontai se lepto shmeio.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poia einai ta metra kai to sxedio ths kybernhshs, alla perissotero ta metra me endiaferoyn, gia na rijei to elleimma poy shmera h KOMISION diapistwnei oti qa einai panw apo to orio poy problepetai kai to 2009 kai to 2010; Poia qa einai ta metra poy qa parei h kybernhsh gia na enarmonistei, na peiqarxhsei me to Symfwno Staqerothtas; Qa proxwrhsete se neoys emmesoys foroys, se meiwseis misqwn, se perikopes dapanwn gia thn Paideia; Ti akribws;

ANTWNAROS: Otan anakoinwqoyn epishmws ola ta stoixeia, qa topoqethqei ypeyqyna o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy. Qa hqela, omws, na sas pw: Ayth h kybernhsh exei apodeijei me th diadromh ths, twn peripoy pente etwn, kata ta opoia h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn ths empisteythke th diakybernhsh ths xwras, oti afenos men kai me eyqynh pros tis ypoxrewseis poy exei pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh frontizei wste na threi ola osa einai symfwnhmena. Afeteroy de, me ta metra ta opoia lambanei - -kai ta opoia kaqe allo para, opws ypainixqhkate, einai forologika- - frontizei me koinwnikh eyaisqhsia na didontai lyseis sta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn, kyriws ekeinoi poy exoyn ta megalytera problhmata, dhladh oi oikonomika asqenesteroi.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla h pentaeths diadromh ths kybernhshs exei apodeijei to akribws antiqeto ap` ayto poy eipate eseis. Mexri twra exoyme dei diarkws na megalwnoyn oi koinwnikes anisothtes, oi monoi poy eyhmeroyn na einai ta kerdh twn epixeirhsewn kai antiqeta oi oikonomika asqenesteroi, na xeirotereyei h qesh toys.

ANTWNAROS: Egw kanw diaforetikh ektimhsh ths katastashs, apo ayth poy kanete eseis.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oson afora th syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn protash toy PASOK sxetika me th systash Proanakritikhs Epitrophs, hqela na rwthsw, ean oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias qa apoxwrhsoyn kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs h den qa parastoyn kaqoloy.

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste se ena qema sto opoio h apanthsh einai jekaqarh, hdh apo thn perasmenh ebdomada, me kentrikh topoqethsh toy Koinoboyleytikoy Ekproswpoy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Panagiwtopoyloy. Exoyme pei kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na symprajoyme sth mikrokommatikh prospaqeia, thn opoia kanei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, na poinikopoihsei thn politikh zwh toy topoy. To sygkekrimeno qema syzhthqhke, meta apo protash toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias, sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs. H apofash doqhke me to porisma ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. H diereynhsh ths alhqeias se o,ti afora tis problepomenes apo to Syntagma armodiothtes ths Boylhs, oloklhrwqhke etsi ypo to fws ths plhroys diafaneias. Gia ta ypoloipa, o logos anhkei sth Dikaiosynh. Kai epeidh o ekproswpos Typoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs prospaqhse na me diorqwsei - -atyxws- - thn perasmenh ebdomada, legontas oti taxa den gnwrizw oti gia ta politika proswpa den einai ypeyqynh h Dikaiosynh, eipa tote akribws to idio pragma. Profanws, den qelei na antilhfqei ayto poy einai katagegrammeno sto porisma ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs: Den prokyptoyn yponoies h stoixeia gia poinikes prajeis gia politika proswpa. Synepws, kata deyterh se seira, fora, kataqesh toy idioy aithmatos apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, bebaiwnei jekaqara oti to PASOK oyte gia ta zhthmata kai ta problhmata toy topoy endiaferetai, oyte gia ta osa basanizoyn toys sympolites mas, oyte bebaiws gia na brei thn alhqeia. Monadikh toy epidiwjh einai h dhmioyrgia mikrokommatikwn entypwsewn, h sykofantia, h kommatikh idioteleia. Teleia kai payla se ayto to qema.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, omws, enas dikos sas boyleyths o k. Karpoyzas, poy eklegetai sthn Pieria, eipe se topikh efhmerida, oti qewrei opoiadhpote apofash politikhs eyqynhs oti einai ``koykoylwma''. Dhladh, kai oi dikoi sas boyleytes askoyn kritikh gia th stash poy qa thrhsete sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn. Sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy molis sas eipa.

XRHSTAKOS: Pro oligoy, o k. Erntogan me dhlwseis toy se xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs opoy brisketai, xarakthrise thn adynamia na erqoyn pio konta oi dyo xwres, Ellada kai Toyrkia dhladh, sthn proklhtikothta ths dikhs mas xwras. Thn idia stigmh, symfwna me plhrofories poy exoyme, toyrkika maxhtika parenoxlhsan politiko aeroskafos ths AEGEAN, an den kanw laqos, to opoio eixe taktiko dromologio pros thn Alejandroypolh. Poio einai to sxolio sas gia tis kinhseis aytes, oi opoies dieyrynontai;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, oson afora to symban sto opoio anaferqhkate: Ajiologoyntai ayth th stigmh ola ta xarakthristika toy sygkekrimenoy symbantos apo tis armodies yphresies ths ellhnikhs Politeias, toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Otan yparjei kati neotero, qa to plhroforhqeite. Deyteron, h Toyrkia den mporei na briskei dikaiologies synexeia gia osa den prattei, prokeimenoy na symmorfwqei me tis ypoxrewseis poy exei apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Molis prin apo liges hmeres topoqethqhkan gia to qema twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai bebaiws kai o Prwqypoyrgos. H Toyrkia prepei na stamathsei, na qesei telos, na balei teleia, se symperifores oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh, oyte me ton eyrwpaiko ths prosanatolismo, oyte bebaiws me tis symmaxikes sxeseis poy qelei na diathrei me th geitona ths, thn Ellada. H Ellada symperiferetai me acogo tropo pros thn Toyrkia kai prepei kai h Toyrkia na epideijei thn idia akribws symperifora.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete na mas peite kati neotero sxetika me to Proedriko Diatagma gia thn topoqethsh toy Yfypoyrgoy k. Gkioyleka, giati exei perasei arketos kairos kai den blepoyme kati na ginetai.

ANTWNAROS: Qa exw thn plhroforia, endexomenws, argotera.

KAKALHS: O k. Erntogan dhlwse akoma oti h entajh ths Toyrkias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, apotelei prwth proteraiothta kai elpizw, eipe o k. Erntogan, oti qa ginei ena alma mesa sto 2009. H kybernhsh qa synexisei thn idia apotyxhmenh apo ta pragmata taktikh ths sthrijhs ths Eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths Toyrkias, parolo poy thn idia stigmh synexizontai oi proklhseis sto Aigaio kai oi bleceis;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws kai leptomereiaka sto qema, giati sthrizoyme me tis sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai me thn ekplhrwsh twn sygkekrimenwn orwn, thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias.

KAKALHS: H symperifora den allazei omws.

ANTWNAROS: Synepws, isxyoyn ayta poy eipa prohgoymenws.

TSIOYFOS: H kybernhsh symfwnei me tis probleceis twn teleytaiwn hmerwn peri anaptyjhs, peripoy mhdenikhs, 0,2% leei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai to rwtaw ayto giati prin dyo mhnes, qymomaste oloi, oti kai eseis kai oi armodies eyrwpaikes yphresies miloysan gia ryqmoys anaptyjhs ths tajews toy 2%, an qymamai kala. Twra pws to 2% egine 0,2%;

ANTWNAROS: Qa pw ayto poy exw pei epaneilhmmenws: Profanws dyskoleyontai kapoioi na antilhfqoyn th dynamikh, to eyros, thn ejelijh ths sygkekrimenhs dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Einai h xeiroterh oikonomikh krish se dieqnes epipedo poy zei o kosmos, h yfhlios, h anqrwpothta, oi koinwnies, ta teleytaia 80 xronia. Einai mia krish h opoia exei oloena kai diaforetikes parametroys. Monos sas eipate sthn erwthsh poy moy qesate allwste, oti kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph h oi alloi dieqneis foreis eixan kanei diaforetikes probleceis. Ayto akribws ti deixnei; Oti kaneis den mporei na kanei asfaleis, bebaies probleceis. Oi probleceis ginontai pantote me bash ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn th dedomenh stigmh. Kai diapistwnoyme oti prokyptoyn se mikro baqos xronoy alla stoixeia, poy allazoyn tis parametroys. Ola ayta, loipon, ta lambanei kapoios ypoch toy. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema omws, opws sas eipa, qa topoqethqei o armodios Ypoyrgos ektenws, meta th dhmosiopoihsh twn stoixeiwn.

TSIOYFOS: Eseis dhladh qewreite oti ontws qa einai 0,2% h anaptyjh; Exete alles metrhseis, exete alla stoixeia gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo panw se ayto to qema.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw an yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh, oson afora stis apeiles enantion toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy k. Samara apo kykloys twn Skopiwn mesw toy diadiktyoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na sas pw kati, epeidh ayta profanws einai qemata ta opoia ap` o,ti diabasa kai egw ston Typo, anaferontai se blogs kai se alloys istotopoys. Tetoia symperifora, dhladh h ekfrash apeilwn, apo opoydhpote kai an proerxetai, einai apolytws katadikastea.

SMYRNHS: Mias kai eipame gia ton k. Samara, gia ta egkainia toy Moyseioy ths Akropolhs, o arxikos proypologismos htan 6 ekatommyria eyrw. Twra maqainoyme oti ayto periorizetai sto ena ekatommyrio eyrw. Katanohto einai en mesw oikonomikhs krishs, alla ti allaje apo prin kai meta me ejairesh oti allaje Ypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Ayto den einai qema ths enhmerwshs apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, h dynamikh kai to eyros ths dieqnoys krishs, opws eipate prohgoymenws, arkei gia na dikaiologhqei oti o Proypologismos, poy chfisthke molis prin apo ena mhna, exei ginei ena koyreloxarto pleon kai ton eixate xarakthrisei ton pio ypeyqyno kai ton pio ajiopisto Proypologismo. Ayto arkei afenos kai apo edw kai pera pws qa poreyetai kai h xwra dhladh; O Proypologismos qa anaqewrhqei; Ti akribws qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora gia osoys den to exoyn antilhfqei: Prokeitai gia mia dieqnh krish thn opoia exoyn na antimetwpisoyn oles oi xwres ths Eyrwphs, sthn oysia oles oi xwres toy kosmoy. Ta stoixeia poy erxontai, poy emfanizontai, ta stoixeia me ta opoia briskontai antimetwpoi oi iqynontes, ta ypeyqyna proswpa se kaqe xwra, einai synexws kainoyrgia. Blepontas kapoios kai pera apo ta synora ths xwras, rixnontas kai mia matia sta dieqnh Mesa Enhmerwshs, diabazontas to dieqnh Typo, qa diapistwnei oti paromoies syzhthseis me aytes poy ginontai edw, ginontai kai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres kai malista se koinwnies, me poly isxyroteres oikonomies apo th dikh mas. Anaferomai stis megales eyrwpaikes xwres, alla kai se mikroteres xwres tis opoies kapoioi - -prin apo liga xronia molis- - paroysiazan ws protypo. Xwres, twn opoiwn oi oikonomies exoyn ypostei zhmies kai synepeies poly megalyteres apo th dikh mas xwra.

KAKALHS: O proypologismos, den moy eipate, pote qa allajei;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh profanws exete balei th belona kai exei kollhsei ekei, isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

KAKALHS: Isxyei o proypologismos; Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi xwres oloy toy kosmoy kanoyn -- opws kanoyme kai emeis -- me synepeia tis aparaithtes prosarmoges, me thn aparaithth koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. H lejh ``kanoyme'' exei diarkeia. Einai enestws diarkeias sthn ellhnikh glwssa.

XIWTHS: H krish, thn opoia epikaleiste k. Ekproswpe, den einai fainomeno enos mhnos. Anarwtiemai giati h kybernhsh den proebh stis aparaithtes aytes prosarmoges, opws eipate, kata thn chfish toy proypologismoy molis ton perasmeno mhna, otan h idia diakhryttei oti einai h monadikh politikh dynamh poy antilhfqhke nwris tis synepeies ths krishs. Giati loipon, den yphrjan oi aparaithtes prosarmoges tote; Kai sas erwtw pote prokeitai na yparjoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den isxyrizetai oti einai h monh. Einai h monadikh, h opoia diapistwse prwton thn yparjh kai oxi tis synepeies, opws eipate, otan alloi kwfeyan - -kai kwfeyan- - mexri protinos. Kai jafnika, prospaqoyn na kanoyn toys profhtes ek twn ysterwn. Anaferomai sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, me aytes tis apiqanothtes tis opoies prospaqei na serbirei ws dhqen lyseis, xwris na leei poy qa brei ta lefta. Kai xwris na leei, oxi monon poy qa brei ta lefta, alla kai ti qa shmanei ayto gia to elleimma kai pws qa ta xrhmatodothsei ola ayta. Einai profanes, exei parelqon to PASOK. Ogdonta foroys epebale kata th dikh toy diakybernhsh kai profanws, oneireyomeno thn ejoysia, den qa eixe kamia epifylajh na epibalei alloys ogdonta. Ayto einai to prwto. To deytero einai: H krish, bebaiws diapistwqhke prin apo polloys mhnes. Oi parametroi ths krishs, h ejelijh ths krishs, mhna me to mhna, bdomada me th bdomada, allazoyn. Kai molis prin apo liges bdomades oi probleceis twn dieqnwn organismwn kai twn dieqnwn forewn, oxi mono gia thn Ellada, gia olh thn Eyrwzwnh, gia olh thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, htan diaforetikes apo aytes poy einai twra. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Kanei, loipon, kaneis ton programmatismo toy, basei twn stoixeiwn poy yparxoyn ekeinh th dedomenh stigmh. Qa hqela de na sas pw oti basei twn mexri stigmhs stoixeiwn, mh epishmwn stoixeiwn poy yparxoyn, h Ellada qa einai mia apo tis elaxistes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy problepetai na exei mikrh estw, alla en pash periptwsei qetikh anaptyjh. Einai problech ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Den einai problech dikh mas.

XIWTHS: Blepw oti sthn arxh den qelhsate na sxoliasete thn ekqesh, alla twra sxoliazete stoixeia ths opote...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Sta anepishma stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn ginei gnwsta.

XIWTHS: Wraia, ta idia anepishma stoixeia, qa epikalestw kai egw, dioti ws pros to elleimma pragmati fainetai oti h katastash den einai toso kakh gia th xwra...

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka sthn anaptyjh.

XIWTHS: Gia thn anaptyjh, syggnwmh, oxi gia to elleimma. Yparxoyn omws tria alla stoixeia sta opoia h xwra mas feretai peripoy ws prwtaqlhths. Anaferomai stoys deiktes toy dhmosioy xreoys, stoys deiktes gia thn anergia kai stoys deiktes gia ton plhqwrismo. Erwtw loipon, to neo programma staqeropoihshs kai anaptyjhs poy qa ypoballoyme sto telos toy mhna sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, me bash aytoys toys deiktes, h kybernhsh protiqetai na tropopoihsei toys stoxoys ths gia to neo Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws jexnate oti paralabame to elleimma se pososto panw apo 7% kai to rijame se ligotero apo to miso. Paralabame thn anergia se pososto panw apo 11% kai th meiwsame se pososto konta sto 7%. Kai ola ayta einai stoixeia, ta opoia kapoioi epilegoyn syneidhta na jexnoyn. Ta sygkekrimena stoixeia, gia ta opoia me rwtate, qa ta plhroforhqeite otan einai etoima. Den exw na pw kati allo.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me bash ta stoixeia poy mas lete, h Ellada einai mia poly pronomioyxa xwra kai qa prepei na erqoyn edw pera oloi na zhsoyn ploysia. Oi agrotes omws shmera katebainoyn apo dyo diaforetika shmeia diamartyromenoi. O kosmos katebainei, alla oi ariqmoi poy mas lete eyhmeroyn.

ANTWNAROS: Elpizw na mh balete sto stoma moy ayqaireta, ayta ta opoia molis eipate. Dioti egw oydepote isxyristhka kati tetoio.

SMYRNHS: Gia tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis poy koryfwnontai pali, ti exete na mas peite gia na pame sto pio realistiko.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhke xqes o Ypoyrgos k. Xatzhgakhs, stis dhlwseis toy opoioy kai parapempw. Milhsa kai thn Paraskeyh gia ayto to qema kai eipa sygkekrimena pragmata, ta opoia exei kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh. Kalw apo ayto to bhma ton arxhgo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na mas pei ti qa stoixisoyn ola ayta, ta opoia proxeira kai xwris kamia meleth prospaqhse na anakoinwsei xqes. Oxi logia, sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys.

XATZARAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh diapistwse egkairws thn dieqnh krish, mhpws qa mporoysate na mas qymisete kai thn politikhs ths ektimhsh gia to ``tis ptaiei'';

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw analysh twn aitiwn ths dieqnoys krishs. Opoios den katalabainei pws ejelissetai mia dieqnhs krish kai prospaqei na thn apodwsei se eswterikoys paragontes, deixnei oti den exei katalabei ti symbainei.

KAKARNIAS: Nwritera, h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ekane kapoies dhlwseis sxetika me ton neo Proedro twn HPA, poy qa orkistei ayrio. Einai ston sxediasmo ths kybernhshs kapoia episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy h kapoia synanthsh me ton neo proedro eite sthn Amerikh, eite se (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati ep' aytoy. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, o neos Proedros ayrio analambanei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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