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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 20 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 181612355

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Ianoyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Ayrio, Tetarth stis 12.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy. Gia to qema qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw, me poio systhma prosqeshs kai afaireshs to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs ekane ton Proypologismo poy chfisan to Dekembrio. Giati, protoy kan perasei enas mhnas, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph erxetai kai mas dinei alla dedomena kai opws fainetai qa proxwrhsei se diorqwtikes kinhseis. To epiteleio ths kybernhshs, den to eixe problecei, den eixe dei thn yfesh h opoia erxotan, den eixe ta sobara problhmata ta opoia erxontoysan;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: O Proypologismos katartisthke me ta stoixeia poy yphrxan ekeinh thn wra. Kai einai gnwsto oti metajy toy teloys toy etoys kai twn ligwn ebdomadwn poy mesolabhsan apo thn katartish toy Proypologismoy kai thn chfish toy, mexri twra, h katastash sthn Eyrwph, opws fanhke allwste kai apo tis syzhthseis poy eginan xqes kai shmera exei allajei pros to xeirotero. Gi` ayto allwste kai yphrxe anaqewrhsh twn stoixeiwn poy edwse xqes h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Ayta einai gnwsta se oloys osoi asxoloyntai me to qema epistamenws kai synexws. Ta anelysa kai egw, xqes edw, apo ayth th qesh.

Deyteron: H shmerinh kybernhsh - -kai dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai dia stomatos twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn- - htan ekeinh h opoia prwth diapistwse thn yparjh ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Milhse me th glwssa ths alhqeias stoys Ellhnes polites xwris kamia wraiopoihsh, gi` ayth thn krish poy erxotan kai epideinwnotan, th stigmh poy alloi, mexri protinos, ekanan oti den katalabainan h piqanon kai na mhn eixan katalabei ti synebaine. Ola ayta dinoyn apanthsh sta erwthmata sas.

FANIDHS: Nai, alla kyrie Ekproswpe, opws ola deixnoyn, h xwra mas, oxi mono h xwra mas, qa mpei se epithrhsh, symfwna me thn Ekqesh milame panta. Ayto den sas anhsyxei;

ANTWNAROS: H diadikasia toy yperbolikoy elleimmatos, sthn opoia profanws anafereste xrhsimopoiwntas lanqasmenh ekfrash, den anaferetai, ej oswn gnwrizw, me ton tropo poy eseis toylaxiston thn epikaleiste, sta osa exoyn syzhthqei mexri twra. H pragmatikothta einai oti oi perissoteres xwres ths Eyrwphs antimetwpizoyn diafora sygkekrimena problhmata. Problhmata sta opoia anaferqhke xqes diejodika sthn anakoinwsh thn opoia ekane kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy kai sta opoia qa anaferqei kai shmera sth synenteyjh Typoy, thn opoia qa paraxwrhsei pros toys synadelfoys sas stis Bryjelles, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn diaboyleysewn poy ginontai ekei. Einai qemata, loipon, ta opoia apasxoloyn oloklhrh thn Eyrwph. Einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn, qigoyn, plhttoyn, aforoyn xwres megales, me oikonomies megales. Ekane anafora kai gi` ayto xqes, epishs, o k. Papaqanasioy. Kai ekeino poy exei shmasia einai h koinh prospaqeia h opoia ginetai apo oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ayta ta problhmata. Se orismena de apo ta megeqh ayta, apo thn katagrafh poy exei ginei epishma apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, ginetai safes oti h Ellada, fer` eipein, sto ryqmo anaptyjhs brisketai se eynoikoterh qesh ap` ayth poy briskontai alles, megalyteres eyrwpaikes oikonomies.

KAKALHS: An dexqoyme oti h kybernhsh diapistwse prwth thn yparjh ths dieqnoys krishs, opws eipate, to erwthma einai ti ekane egkairws gia na prolabei kai na antimetwpisei tis synepeies ths krishs, ektos apo to paketo twn 28 disekatommyriwn gia th sthrijh twn trapezwn. Gia paradeigma, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe milhsei gia ton kindyno ths anergias- -thn eixe xarakthrisei sobarh apeilh- - alla mexri twra den exoyme dei kanena metro ths kybernhshs sthn kateyqynsh toy na diasfalizei tis qeseis ergasias. Kai blepoyme kaqhmerina na ginontai apolyseis. Gi` ayto to pragma, ti kanei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h kybernhsh bebaiws, opws eipate - -kai xairomai poy to diapistwnete kai eseis epiteloys- - milhse anoixta apo thn prwth stigmh gia thn yparjh dieqnoys krishs, otan - -kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - alloi kwfeyan, eixan kleista ta aytia toys. Den akoygan ayto to opoio pragmatika ginotan.

Deyteron, ta xrhmata sta opoia anaferqhkate, ta 28 disekatommyria eyrw, ena programma gia th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, ths reystothtas sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, exei arxisei molis - -opws eipa kai prin apo dyo-treis hmeres edw s` ayth thn aiqoysa- - na ylopoieitai. Einai ena programma apo ta tria h tessera prwta paromoia programmata, poy egkriqhkan sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto deixnei akribws oti me grhgoroys ryqmoys, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh Politeia phre sygkekrimena metra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta prwta problhmata ta opoia paroysiasthkan.

Triton, qa sas ypenqymisw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy se olh th diadromh ths, ta tesseramisi-pente xronia afotoy ths exei anateqei h diakybernhsh ths xwras, exei labei sygkekrimena metra gia th meiwsh ths anergias, me apta apotelesmata. Apo 11% syn poy parelabe thn anergia apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK to 2004, th meiwse se poly mikrotera pososta. Kai qa hqela na epishmanw s` ayto to shmeio ena prosfato metro: Th metatroph toy epidomatos anergias se epidoma apasxolhshs, to opoio isxye gia ton idiwtiko tomea kai me nomoqetikh ryqmish- - kati to opoio kapoioi espeysan na epikrinoyn biastika kai asyllogista, prin apo liges hmeres- -qa isxyei sto mellon kai gia to dhmosio tomea. Alla, fainetai pws orismenoi qeloyn na meinoyn oi anergoi, anergoi. Qeloyn na meinoyn oi anergoi xwris doyleia. Qeloyn oi anqrwpoi poy xanoyn th doyleia toys na meinoyn xwris doyleia, dioti etsi ejyphretoyntai sta politika toys sxedia. Emeis, loipon, qa kanoyme o,ti einai aparaithto, o,ti einai efikto me th gnwsth koinwnikh eyaisqhsia poy diakrinei kai thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Karamanlh kai oloys toys Ypoyrgoys kai ola ta stelexh, prokeimenoy na apalynoyme, na meiwsoyme tis asfalws dysarestes synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, kyriws gia ekeinoys poy exoyn megalyterh anagkh, dhladh toys oikonomika asqenesteroys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh to eipate polles fores kai to lete teleytaia olo kai pio syxna, sth diarkeia ths enhmerwshs, oti h kybernhsh htan ayth poy prwth antilhfqhke kai diapistwse thn yparjh ths dieqnoys krishs, h opoia opws eipate, htan h xeiroterh twn teleytaiwn 80 etwn.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote, pws symbibazetai ayto, efoson diapistwse prwth me tis aisiodojes probleceis poy eixe ston Proypologismo ton opoio kathrtise;

ANTWNAROS: Qa to epanalabw gia mia akomh fora, den qa stamathsw na lew oti: Ta stoixeia toy Proypologismoy einai stoixeia, en pollois, poy proerxontai apo epishmes ektimhseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Kai epanalambanw oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai ekeinh poy mesa se diasthma ligwn mhnwn anaqewrhse pros to xeirotero tis probleceis tis opoies eixe kanei. Ayto kanei katanohto oti h dieqnhs krish poy plhttei thn Eyrwph kai olo ton kosmo, exei parametroys tis opoies den einai eykolo kapoios na problecei. Gi` ayto kai qa elega - -as moy epitrecete thn ekfrash- - oti ``peftoyn ejw'' me tis probleceis toys oi dieqneis oikonomologoi, oi dieqneis oikonomikoi foreis. An ayto den mporei na to katalabei kapoios, ti allo na pw;

DHMADHS: An ayto to opoio mas lete, gia na katalaboyme kala, einai oti h kybernhsh einai etoimh na anaqewrhsei kai toys stoxoys toy Proypologismoy poy exei qesei, opws ekane kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph me tis probleceis ths gia thn eyrwpaikh oikonomia, se antistoixia;

ANTWNAROS: Milhse gi` ayto o k. Papaqanasioy, sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes. Milhsa kai egw. Kainoyrgia gegonota, kainoyrgies ejelijeis odhgoyn asfalws se prosarmoges. Ayto den einai kati kainoyrgio kai den mporw na katalabw giati prokalei ayth thn ekplhjh. Odhgei se prosarmoges me thn aparaithth eyelijia kai to gnwsto sebasmo sthn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. Den einai kati to opoio qa ginei etsi opws to antilambaneste. Einai mia reysth oikonomikh katastash. Kai opoios kleinei ta matia, den kanei tipote allo apo to na ginetai stroyqokamhlos.

DHMADHS: Ara, epibebaiwnetai to PASOK stis probleceis toy, oti o Proypologismos aytos htan kai einai anefarmostos;

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK den ekane kamia problech. To PASOK, to mono to opoio kanei, einai na laikizei apo to prwi mexri to brady, me anefarmostes syntages, me ekqeseis idewn. Akomh kai xqes, otan erwthsa apo ayto edw to bhma ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, poy qa brei ta lefta - -sygkekrimena pragmata, oxi genikothtes- - eipe oti qa kanei ejoikonomhsh, qa, qa, qa. Loipon, tipote den leei, den leei poy qa brei ta lefta. Dioti jerete ti shmainei poy qa brei ta lefta; Qa janakanei ayto poy ekane kata th gnwsth meqodo toy sthn palia toy diakybernhsh. Ogdonta foroys epebale to PASOK. Enan, enan, an qelete kapoia stigmh, qa toys apariqmhsw. Kai profanws, kati tetoio exei kata noy, otan leei gia kainoyrgia programmata perierghs morfhs. Kapoioys alloys 80 foroys, fantazomai qa mhxaneyontai oi oikonomikoi egkefaloi toy PASOK h qa qeloyn na diogkwsoyn to elleimma kai kata th gnwsth syntagh toys apo to parelqon, na to sprwjoyn meta katw apo to xali gia na mh fainetai oti exei ftasei sto 7,5%, opws ekanan tote.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate prin apo ligo, oti to programma enisxyshs ths reystothtas proxwraei...

ANTWNAROS: Molis arxise na ylopoieitai, eipa.

TSIOYFOS: Omws, blepoyme oti ena apo ta metra ta opoia phrate, ayto ths enisxyshs twn mikrwn kai poly mikrwn epixeirhsewn, den proxwraei. Kai xqes, akoysa ton ekproswpo ths Enwshs Trapezwn na leei, oti emeis legame gia 400, 500, 600 daneia kai twra akoyme 50.000 aithseis, daneia ta opoia prepei na shmeiwsoyme eggyatai, mesw toy Tameioy Eggyodosias, to ellhniko Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Mexri 80%.

TSIOYFOS: Mexri 80%, to megalo ths pososto. Kai den mporw na katalabw giati oi trapezes gyrnoyn thn plath sthn kybernhsh kai apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh eggyatai to 80%, arneitai na dwsei ta daneia. Mhpws, oi trapezes den exoyn empistosynh akomh kai sthn eggyhsh toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Ayta poy lete, einai prwtofanh pragmata. To ellhniko Dhmosio opotedhpote exei eggyhqei kati, exei antapokriqei plhrws sthn eggyhsh poy exei dwsei. As mhn speirontai loipon fhmes, idees, oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Oi trapezes prepei na antapokriqoyn ston koinwniko rolo ton opoio exoyn.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto qema toy Proypologismoy. O ellhnikos Proypologismos chfisthke prin apo 25 hmeres. Giati den anagnwrizei h kybernhsh oti ta stoixeia ta opoia emperieixe htan yperaisiodoja. Dhladh, den milame aplws gia kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis shmera, 25 hmeres meta, alla milame gia mia toympa toy Proypologismoy.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Ayta osa eipa einai apolytws safh.

KORAH: Dhladh, mesa se 25 hmeres anetraph olo to sympan moy ejhgeite; To oikonomiko sympan kai h anaptyjh apo to 2,7% phge sto 0,2%; Mesa se 25 hmeres egine ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Deite ta noymera ta opoia edine prin apo ena mhna, ena mhna kai kati, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai qa katalabete ti megalh allagh exoyme.

KORAH: Egw menw sta stoixeia poy moy dinei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h dikh moy kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, akribws ta noymera ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, ta opoia oloi epikaloyntai gia ajiopistia, htan kai h bash prokeimenoy na syntaxqei o Proypologismos. Ayto einai poy prospaqw na ejhghsw.

KORAH: Dhladh, den htan (den akoygetai) moy lete;

ANTWNAROS: Qa to pw gia mia akomh fora: Mesa se poly mikro xroniko diasthma gia oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph anaqewrhse kai anaqewrei ta stoixeia ta opoia exei, dioti h krish ejelissetai me poly grhgoro ryqmo kai me tropo o opoios den mporei na prodikastei. Ayto einai kati poy prepei na to katalaboyn oloi. To katalabainei h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn ths Eyrwphs, dioti den einai kati poy afora mono thn Ellada.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poiwn ta symferonta ejyphretoyntai oso paramenoyn oi anergoi, anergoi, opws afhsate na ennohqei prin; Ayth einai h prwth moy erwthsh. Kai h deyterh, poly syntomh einai: Ti qa qewrhqei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh ws qetiko apotoko twn epafwn toy k. Papaqanasioy stis Bryjelles, afoy, opws ki eseis eipate, olh ayth h katastash den afora mono thn Ellada, alla afora kai kapoies apo tis ypoloipes xwres ths Enwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema ths apasxolhshs, o,ti eixa na pw to eipa. Gia to deytero qema qa topoqethqei o k. Papaqanasioy synolika, molis oloklhrwsei tis epafes toy, oi opoies briskontai akomh se ejelijh.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela ligo na epanelqw sta daneia apo to Tameio Eggyodosias. Akoysame xqes oti oi trapezes zhtoyn pio eynoikoys oroys gia tis idies, milame kai gia ayjhsh twn epitokiwn. Kai anarwtiemai: Ayta ta 28 dis. ta opoia opws mas eipate den xarizontai, alla enisxyoyn th reystothta, den ftanoyn ayta ta 28 dis. stis trapezes; Profanws den ftanoyn gia na zhtoyn parapanw eynoikoteroys oroys. Kai qa hqela na sas rwthsw an h kybernhsh protiqetai na dieykolynei ligo ayth th diadikasia pros tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis kai na mhn kanei to xatiri stis trapezes.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite na milate gia 28 dis. wsan ayta ta 28 dis. na bghkan apo to Tameio toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai doqhkan ekei poy lete eseis oti phgan. Ena poly megalo meros aytoy toy posoy afora eggyhseis. Den einai xrhma se reysto. Den einai poso to opoio qa ektamieysei to ellhniko Dhmosio.

SWTHRIADOY: Me sygxwreite, alla oi eggyhseis aytes den ftanoyn gia tis trapezes; Xreiazontai parapanw eggyhseis gia na ayjhsoyn ta epitokia;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite. Poia epitokia na ayjhsoyn;

SWTHRIADOY: Protiqentai, symfwna me plhrofories, na ayjhsoyn ta epitokia gia na exoyn kalyteres eggyhseis oi idies pros ta daneia.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kanei mia ryqmish sygkekrimenh pros enisxysh twn mikrwn kai poly mikrwn epixeirhsewn. Opws sas eipa, oloi prepei na antapokriqoyn sthn koinwnikh apostolh thn opoia exoyn. Se mia tetoia krish opws ki ayth, thn opoia kaneis - -oxi emeis edw, alla kai h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn ths Eyrwphs- - den exei zhsei pote allote, xreiazontai eidikes proseggiseis. Kai se aytes tis eidikes proseggiseis entassetai kai h prwtoboylia gia to Tameio Eggyodosias thn opoia phre h kybernhsh. Zhthse na symmetasxoyn oses trapezes hqelan. Kamia trapeza den ypoxrewqhke na ypogracei th sxetikh symbash. Phgan kai ypegracan tis symbaseis. Oi trapezes, loipon, oi opoies ypegracan aytes tis symbaseis exoyn analabei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis. Kai aytes, loipon, oi ryqmiseis einai akribws gia na antimetwpistoyn oi eidikes synqhkes oi opoies exoyn prokycei.

MANH: Eipate kai prin oti oi trapezes prepei na antapokriqoyn ston koinwniko rolo poy exoyn. Swsta; Egw rwtaw ti qa ginei sthn periptwsh poy den antapokriqoyn, dhladh, poia einai h asfalistikh dikleida ean den antapokriqoyn ston koinwniko rolo poy exoyn; Dioti akoysame oloi kai ton k. Gkortzo xqes na leei oti to programma...

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas ypenqymisw gia mia akomh fora, oti me thn enarjh ths ylopoihshs toy sxetikoy sxedioy, se liges hmeres h ellhnikh Politeia, to ellhniko Dhmosio qa ekproswpeitai kai me epitropo sta dioikhtika symboylia twn trapezwn poy metexoyn, poy kanoyn xrhsh twn ryqmisewn toy sxedioy. Synepws, qa ginontai oloi oi aparaithtoi elegxoi.

GKATSIOS: Xrhsimopoihsate, shmera toylaxiston, dyo fores th frash ``koinwnikh eyaisqhsia''. Na ypoqesw...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai h prwth fora. Kai xqes eipa thn idia akribws frash kai thn Paraskeyh epishs.

GKATSIOS: Wraia, na ypoqesw, loipon, oti einai etoimo h sxediazetai ena neo paketo arwghs pros toys oikonomika asqenesteroys;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxei kati kai otan h stigmh einai katallhlh, akribws epeidh oi synqhkes allazoyn synexws, na eiste bebaioi oti qa to plhroforhqeite, opws exei ginei oles tis fores.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste sto qema ths koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, oses fores kai na klinete ton oro ``koinwnikh eyaisqhsia'', den shmainei oti h kybernhsh einai koinwnika eyaisqhth. Gia paradeigma, to epidoma qermanshs akoma na to dwsete. Ayto to eyteles, to glisxro epidoma qermanshs poy exei yposxeqei h kybernhsh na dwsei, akomh na to dwsei, twn 100 kai twn 200 eyrw. Gia poia koinwnikh eyaisqhsia mas milate;

ANTWNAROS: H diadikasia einai se ejelijh. Na deite oti poly grhgora qa fqasei ekei poy prepei. Stoys dikaioyxoys.

KAKALHS: Otan kalokairiasei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas akoysame thn Paraskeyh na mas analyete, na mas diabazete ena makry katalogo gia to ti exei kanei h kybernhsh gia toys agrotes.

ANTWNAROS: Den htan makrys o katalogos. Tessera h pente qemata htan.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: En pash periptwsei, arketh wra mas ton diabazate. Diabazate arga. Ayth thn wra oi agrotes koboyn thn Ellada sta dyo. Se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis de, symmetexoyn kai oi agrotes oi opoioi proerxontai apo th Nea Dhmokratia kommatika. Qelete na moy peite ti akribws symbainei; Ta exete kanei ayta, milate gia agrotes allhs xwras; Den mporw na katalabw giati yparxei tetoia megalh kinhtopoihsh apo toys agrotes otan eseis mas lete oti exete kanei ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta ta opoia sas exw pei, asfalws kai exoyn ginei. Kaneis, bebaiws, apo thn allh pleyra den mporei na afairesei to dikaiwma poy exei kaqe Ellhnas poliths na yperaspizetai, me ton tropo poy ekeinos epilegei, tis apoceis toy, me ena periorismo: Aytos o tropos ekfrashs, yperaspishs twn apocewn toy den mporei na strefetai kata twn symferontwn toy koinwnikoy synoloy. Sas eipa kai thn Paraskeyh oti o k. Xatzhgakhs diejagei, aytes tis hmeres, syzhthseis me toys ekproswpoys twn agrotwn. Otan yparjei kati kainoyrgio, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

KORAH: Sto plaisio anaqewrhshs toy Proypologismoy qa yparjei kai ayjhsh twn dhmosiwn ependysewn;

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete na anafereste synexeia se enan oro ton opoion egw oydepote xrhsimopoihsa. Den exw na sas pw kati sxetika.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tis teleytaies hmeres, afhnete anoixto to endexomeno, to paraqyro gia kapoies paroxes yper twn asqenesterwn. Ekeino omws poy moy kanei entypwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Den afhnw kanena paraqyro. H kybernhsh exei skycei panw apo aytoys poy pragmatika exoyn anagkh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, kai eipate xqes oti kanei tis anagkaies prosarmoges me dedomenh thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. Kai xqes to eipate kai malista poly kathgorhmatika. Egw anarwtiemai: Meta tis xqesines ejelijeis kai th synanthsh poy eixe o k. Papaqanasioy me ton k. Almoynia kai apo dhlwseis toy k. Almoynia, fainetai oti kai h Komision epitassei aysthrh dhmosionomikh peiqarxia gia thn Ellada gia ta epomena dyo me tria xronia. Ayto shmainei ``sfijimo toy zwnarioy'' epi to laikotero. Pws einai dynaton apo th mia na epitassei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh to ``sfijimo toy zwnarioy'' kai apo thn allh na afhnete eseis anoixto to endexomeno gia mikroparoxes;

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina san odostrwthras epelasate me taxythta poy synhqws den exoyn oi odostrwthres. Alla, exei ena apotelesma ayto: Isopedwnete ta panta ws odostrwthras. Ki egw se ayth th logikh den mporw bebaia - -kai den exw kamia proqesh- - na sas akoloyqhsw. Sas parakalw, loipon, gia mia akomh fora, na diabasete th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Papaqanasioy xqes, na parakoloyqhsete osa qa pei shmera. Kai qa hqela aplws na mh bazete sto stoma Eyrwpaiwn ajiwmatoyxwn, fraseis h isxyrismoys toys opoioys oi idioi...

PALAIOLOGOS: Se ayto qa moy epitrecete. To akoysa xqes proswpika apo thn thleorash arga th nyxta kai tis dhlwseis toy Gioyngker poy einai o Proedreywn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: ... kai kyriws h dhlwsh toy Almoynia, poy milane gia dhmosionomikh peiqarxia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw ti eipe kai o k. Papaqanasioy...

PALAIOLOGOS: Na moy diabasete ti eipe o k. Almoynia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabazw loipon: ``Prokeitai na ypobaloyme to epikairopoihmeno programma staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs. Kai se ayto qa prosdiorizontai me poly jekaqaro tropo oi proteraiothtes ths oikonomikhs mas politikhs oi opoies einai: H stadiakh dhmosionomikh prosarmogh, h sthrijh me stoxeymenes draseis twn koinwnikwn omadwn poy exoyn ta megalytera problhmata kai h sthrijh ths pragmatikhs oikonomias''. ``Pisteyoyme'', eipe o k. Papaqanasioy, ``oti me thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsoyme qa exoyme qetika apotelesmata kai qa petyxoyme kalyteres epidoseis apo tis probleceis ths Epitrophs gia th xwra mas''. Ayto ti deixnei; Oti akribws yparxei mia isorropia anamesa stis ypoxrewseis poy exoyn oles oi xwres ths Eyrwzwnhs kai stis opoies prepei na antapokrinontai. Ayto qa ginei stadiaka, to lene oloi, oxi mono h ellhnikh pleyra. Kai apo thn allh pleyra na enisxysoyme kai thn pragmatikh oikonomia apo thn opoia zoyn, sthn opoia zoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai na sthrijoyme ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Den yparxei kamia antifash se ayta ta pragmata. Apla, antilambanomai, xwris na apodexomai, oti orismenoi dyskoleyontai se aytes tis dyskoles stigmes na antilhfqoyn oti yparxoyn kai gkrizoi tonoi anamesa sto aspro kai to mayro. Kai yparxoyn proseggiseis apoxrwsewn oi opoies ginontai apo oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Giati oles oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs antimetwpizoyn paremferh problhmata. Problhmata poy apeikonizontai me tropo poy einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, se osa diapistwse xqes kai edwse sth dhmosiothta h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno allagwn sto FIR;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste, profanws, se xqesino dhmosieyma. Symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, den problepetai kamia allagh, den yparxei kamia allagh sta dieqnws sympefwnhmena kai osa dieqnws isxyoyn kai einai anagnwrismena gia to FIR Aqhnwn.

DHMADHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na epanelqw ligo sta qemata ths Oikonomias kai na sas rwthsw, oson afora ston k. Alogoskoyfh: Apo thn hmera poy anelabe o k. Papaqanasioy fainetai oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs deixnei na anhke se mia allh kybernhsh. Kai giati to lew ayto; O k. Papaqanasioy ``jhlwnei'' ola ta stelexh toy k. Alogoskoyfh apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. O k. Papaqanasioy egkataleipei to stoxo ths dhmosionomikhs peiqarxias pros mia filolaikoterh politikh ths kybernhshs. O k. Papaqanasioy einai etoimos na anaqewrhsei toys stoxoys toy Proypologismoy ton opoio sygkrothse o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw, an pisteyete oti h oikonomikh politikh toy k. Alogoskoyfh synexizetai h an h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs epi ypoyrgias toy k. Papaqanasioy einai tabula rasa.

ANTWNAROS: Shmera kai thn Paraskeyh apanthsa se ola ta erwthmata poy moy eginan. Orismena, malista, apanthqhkan kai prin apo liges hmeres, poy etyxe na mhn eiste parwn. Oson afora kapoies allages sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, eipa oti h apoxwrhsh h h apasxolhsh kapoiwn newn proswpwn einai employtismos toy stelexiakoy dynamikoy. Den shmainei tipote allo.

DHMADHS: Egw, omws, sas rwthsa, oson afora sth synexeia kai th synepeia ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Eidame mexri protinos, mexri to Dekembrio toy 2008, na qetete to stoxo ths dhmosionomikhs peiqarxias. Twra blepoyme na milate gia filolaikh strofh.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, molis pro oligoy sas milhsa gia dhmosionomikh prosarmogh.

DHMADHS: Eidame thn kybernhsh na leei oti qa parameinei synephs stoys stoxoys poy exei qesei o Proypologismos kai na kathgorei to PASOK oti kanei politikh anejodh, antipoliteytikh kai shmera na afhnete anoikto to endexomeno anaqewrhshs stoxwn toy Proypologismoy. Kai rwtw, loipon: H oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs exei synexeia h einai tabula rasa kai jekiname apo thn arxh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei se ola ayta ta qemata me tropo poy den afhnei kamia apolytws amfibolia.

DHMADHS: Einai dhladh synexeia ths politikhs toy k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto to opoio sas eipa. Anaferqhka stis ejelijeis tis opoies exoyme se dieqnes epipedo, ti shmainoyn ola ayta gia th xwra mas, pws prepei na exoyme thn eyelijia poy apaiteitai kai me poion tropo koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, efarmozoyme ayth thn eyelijia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei endexomeno allaghs toy ejetastikoy systhmatos gia thn eisagwgh sthn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh prin apo tis ekloges, opws afhse na ennohqei xqes o k. Sphliwtopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Sphliwtopoylos prosfata, ejerxomenos apo synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, topoqethqhke se ola ayta ta qemata. Exoyme pei oti qa yparxei enas anoiktos, eilikrinhs dialogos ston opoio, apo o,ti qymamai, den exei teqei xroniko orio.

KORAH: Qa staqw ligo sthn apanthsh sas poy dwsate sthn erwthsh gia to kata poso yparxei synexeia ths politikhs Alogoskoyfh. Kai sygkekrimena, sthn teleytaia sas frash peri koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, me thn opoia proseggizei shmera h kybernhsh tis oikonomika asqenesteres tajeis. Erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferqhka egw apokleistika sto shmera.

KORAH: Eipate gia allages poy shmeiwqhkan sto sygkekrimeno diasthma...

ANTWNAROS: Egw, den eipa ayto. Eipa oti lambanoyme ypoch mas tis allages poy ginontai, tis ejelijeis poy exoyme sth dieqnh oikonomikh skhnh kai kanoyme tis anagkaies prosarmoges me thn aparaithth eyelijia kai thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia poy pantote epideiknyoyme sthn prajh.

KORAH: Wraia. Den akoysate to erwthma moy.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

KORAH: O k. Alogoskoyfhs edeixne mikroterhs embeleias koinwnikh eyaisqhsia - -etsi, gia na to pw kai kapws- - apo o,ti shmera o k. Papaqanasioy;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Sas parakalw, omws, na diabazete tis apanthseis moy synolika kai oxi epilektika apomonwnontas fraseis.

RABANOS: Qa hqela, parakalw, na plhroforhqw toys logoys gia toys opoioys o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn oikonomia kai an ayth h emfanish toy sth Boylh qa shmatodothsei kai epishma thn allagh oikonomikhs politikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Opoios den antilambanetai oti h oikonomia einai to kyrio qema syzhthshs oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla pantoy sthn Eyrwph edw kai kamposo kairo, kako toy kefalioy toy kanei. H kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh diapistwse thn yparjh ths krishs kai anelabe sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy kai toys Ellhnes polites na enhmerwsei kai bebaiws na labei, se kaqe stadio ths krishs, ta metra ekeina poy kai efikta htan kai aparaithta, me stoxo th meiwsh, thn amblynsh twn synepeiwn ths dieqnoys krishs. H kybernhsh einai, loipon, prwtoporos se ola ta qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn th xwra. Kai gi` ayto o Prwqypoyrgos, opws einai fysiko, akribws logw ths synexws enteinomenhs pagkosmias oikonomikhs krishs, tis antistoixes ejelijeis kai prooptikes sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai thn epidrash toys sthn oikonomias mas - -opws anaferei kai sthn epistolh poy esteile ston Proedro ths Boylhs k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa- - qa enhmerwsei oloklhrwmena thn Eqnikh Antiproswpeia ws pros thn politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh sto genikotero oikonomiko tomea, toso gia thn antimetwpish twn trexontwn problhmatwn, oso kai gia th mellontikh qwrakish toy kai th diasfalish ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. Kai elpizw oti oloi qa proselqoyn ekei kai qa kataqesoyn tis apoceis toys. Apoceis oi opoies prepei na einai tekmhriwmenes, apoceis oi opoies den prepei na periorizontai sto xarakthra ekqeshs idewn kai apoceis oi opoies den qa ypagoreyontai apo laikistikes proseggiseis h apo kapoia akatasxeth orejh gia thn epanakthsh ths ejoysias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ektos apo thn oikonomia, bebaiws, apo o,ti blepw, shmeio aixmhs gia thn kybernhsh einai kai to qema ths Paideias. Anaferqhkate prohgoymenws oti se sxesh me tis allages sto ejetastiko systhma den exei teqei xroniko orio. Moy kanei, omws, entypwsh - -den jerw an th gnwrizete- - mia dhlwsh shmerinh ths k. Giannakoy, h opoia molis xqes synanthqhke me ton k. Sphliwtopoylo kai h opoia yposthrizei oti h prosbash sthn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh qa allajei prin apo tis eqnikes ekloges, gia na doqei mia trieths pistwsh xronoy gia thn efarmogh toy neoy systhmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis dhlwseis toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, aytoi poy kwfeyoyn, kata th gnwmh sas, ecaxnan xqes to brady sth Boylh aytoys poy den kwfeyoyn, otan htan to qema ths Proanakritikhs. Kai den toys brhkan fysika poyqena. Sas apasxolei ws kybernhsh to gegonos oti to qema ayto toy Batopaidioy paei oysiastika gia paragrafh, xwris na syzhthqei epi ths oysias;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti paei na pei, paei gia paragrafh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To qema toy Batopaidioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti paei gia paragrafh, dioti den mporei na paei gia paragrafh kati gia to opoio den exoyn prokycei, kata th synedriash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, opoiesdhpote poinikes eyqynes h yponoies poinikwn eyqynwn gia politika proswpa. Synepws, den yparxei antikeimeno.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Afoy einai toso jekaqarh h qesh sas se ayto to qema, giati den phgainate gia na to peite ayto...

ANTWNAROS: Giati den prokeitai na symbaloyme sth laikistikh prospaqeia thn opoia kanei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na poinikopoihsei thn politikh zwh toy topoy. Kai profanws, epeidh gia mia akomh fora to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs epilegei na kwfeyei, oyte ayto to akoyse. Kai den akoyse oti oi Ellhnes polites exoyn, ayth th stigmh, alla qemata poy toys apasxoloyn - -opws thn oikonomia- - para na asxoloyntai me ta diafora mikropolitika tertipia kai paixnidia toy PASOK.

KAKALHS: Xqes, orismenes kybernhshs kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opws h Bretania kai h Dania, proxwrhsan se nea paketa sthrijhs twn trapezwn. H kybernhsh antimetwpizei ena tetoio endexomeno, me dedomeno oti yparxei kai sxetiko aithma, apo o,ti jerw, apo th meria twn trapezwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw apo poy jerete oti yparxei dhqen tetoio aithma. Emena den moy einai gnwsto.

KAKALHS: O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias den enhmerwqhke apo toys trapezites sthn prosfath synanthsh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis moy eipate oti yparxei aithma twn ellhnikwn trapezwn. Egw den gnwrizw tetoio aithma.

KAKALHS: Ayth h plhroforia yparxei gia th synanthsh...

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw apo poy thn exete thn plhroforia. Egw tetoia plhroforia...

KAKALHS: Dhmosiografikh plhroforia einai.

ANTWNAROS: Egw tetoia plhroforia den exw.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo ayto, h kybernhsh antimetwpizei tetoio endexomeno gia neo paketo sthrijhs twn trapezwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyme tetoio qema.

KAKALHS: Den to diaceydete, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Afoy sas lew oti den exoyme tetoio qema;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epeidh epikalesthkate thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, na sas qymisw pantws k. Ekproswpe oti to sxetiko porisma htan ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Afoy bghkan dyo-tria porismata, tessera.

ANTWNAROS: To sxetiko porisma, gia na sas ypenqymisw tis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, chfizetai apo thn pleiochfia...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: E! Kalogeropoyloy. Xairomai.

ANTWNAROS: ... kai ayto einai to desmeytiko.

Sas eyxaristw.


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