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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-01-28

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 28 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 183076573

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Ianoyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame to mploko ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs se o,ti afora ta 500 ekatommyria eyrw ta opoia yposxeqhkate oti qa doqoyn stoys agrotes. O armodios Epitropos dhlwse malista oti den exoyn labei kamia sxetikh eidopoihsh kai oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh htan ypoxrewmenh, basei ths koinotikhs nomoqesias, na enhmerwsei prwta thn Epitroph gia ta metra poy qa elambane. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Na sas diorqwsw prwta gia to fylo ths Epitropoy. Einai kyria h Epitropos. Ola, oi sxetikes apozhmiwseis, kinoyntai apolytws sta plaisia ths nomimothtas. Gi` ayto allwste dinontai mesw toy ELGA. Entos ths hmeras qa yparjei kai analytikh anakoinwsh-topoqethsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy mporw na rwthsw; Dhladh, ti lete, oti h kyria, poy eipate kai eseis, leei cemata; Den jerei toys nomoys, den jerei en pash periptwsei ti isxyei gi` aytes tis periptwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas paraqetw th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mas lete oti ola einai nomima. Kai sas rwtw: Tote, pws parembainei h KOMISION kai kanei ayto poy kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Gia perissoteres leptomereies, as perimenete thn apanthsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti dinontai apo ton ELGA, alla o ELGA, an einai alhqeia, xqes enekrine na doqoyn apozhmiwseis ycoys 225 ekatommyriwn eyrw, afhnontas ap` ejw toys paragwgoys sithrwn kai kalampokioy, parolo poy h kybernhsh eixe yposxeqei to antiqeto. Dhladh, pisteyete oti me ceytikes yposxeseis kai akalyptes epitages qa spasei ta mploka twn agrotwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia, einai oti h kybernhsh sta plaisia twn dynatothtwn tis opoies exei h xwra, me thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia poy th diakrinei se oles ths tis draseis, proseggizei ta aithmata twn politwn kai dinei lyseis. Pera ap` ayto, qa hqela na sas pw, an einai swsth h plhroforhsh moy, oti yparxei kai h shmerinh topoqethsh toy Proedroy toy ELGA gi` ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Den diaceydei ayta poy lew egw. Eseis exete kati perissotero;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti exei pei h kybernhsh, isxyei. Oles oi desmeyseis ths ginontai prajh. Orismenoi de, speydoyn akribws na epikrinoyn, na kataggeiloyn, na cejoyn thn kybernhsh, abasima bebaiws, giati akribws ayta ta opoia exei pei, ta kanei prajh, ta ylopoiei. Sas qymizw ayto poy koinws apokaleitai ``epidoma qermanshs''. Brhkan twra kapoioi na poyn oti ayto einai mia jafnikh paroxh. Kapoioi alloi epekrinan th kybernhsh prin apo liges ebdomades, giati dhqen - -kai ypogrammizw to ``dhqen'', deka fores- - to kaqysteroyse. Enw eixame pei hdh apo to Septembrio oti to epidoma ayto qa katablhqei ton Ianoyario. Prepei, loipon, aytoi poy mia to ena lene kai mia to allo, na apofasisoyn pros ta poy qeloyn na paei h barka. Kai ta dyo mazi den mporoyn na ta exoyn. Shmasia, pantws, exei - -kai ayto einai poy metraei gia ton Ellhna polith poy jerei na kanei tis swstes diapistwseis- - oti h kybernhsh ayta poy exei pei, ayta poy exei ejaggeilei, ayta gia ta opoia exei desmeytei, ta kanei prajh, mesa sta xronika plaisia ta opoia h idia exei qesei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den einai toylaxiston aparadekto politika kai koinwnika, na mhn pw potapo, na kanei ena stygno ekbiasmo h kybernhsh apenanti stoys agrotes; Spaste ta mploka, alliws den qa parete ta xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia egw den symmerizomai. Einai fysiko, otan eperxetai mia symfwnia kai otan h kybernhsh leei jekaqara, xwris kamia diaqesh na kanei kanena pazari, oti ayta einai ta xrhmata poy mporoyn na doqoyn, tote einai fysiko na leei kai se aytoys oi opoioi kleinoyn toys dromoys, ``oti prepei na eleyqerwsete toys dromoys''. Den katalabainw poy briskete eseis h kapoios allos to parajeno. Isws kapoioi gia dikoys toys kommatikoys h politikoys logoys, qa hqelan na krathsoyn toys dromoys, gia megalo diasthma, kleistoys. Den ta katafernoyn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kat` arxhn, an ayto den einai apolytos ekbiasmos, dhladh, an den spasete ta mploka, den qa sas dwsoyme ta xrhmata, ti einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia poy den me briskei symfwno.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai deyteron, an moy epitrepete, poioys ennoeite oti kapoioi qeloyn gia politikoys logoys; To PASOK, ap` o,ti exoyme akoysei, dhmosiws exei pei oti symfwnei me ta aithmata twn agrotwn, wstoso, qewrei oti den qa eprepe na kleisoyn oi dromoi. Poioys ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Den epiqymw na sxoliasw ayta ta antifatika sxolia, ta opoia tis teleytaies hmeres, to teleytaio diasthma, exoyn kanei diafora koryfaia kai mh stelexh toy PASOK. Den diakrinetai to PASOK se ayto to qema gia kaqaro kai krystallino politiko logo.

TERZHS: Qewreite oti ayth h teleytaia sas anafora isxyei kai gia stelexh ths kybernhshs h ths Koinoboyleytikhs sas Omadas; Dioti egw, diabazontas, blepw oti yparxei proseggish boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai stelexwn toy PASOK sth stash enanti twn agrotwn. Tolmw de na pw oti polloi apo toys boyleytes sas, akoma kai stelexh ths kybernhshs, mallon einai allhleggyoi stoys agrotes, para sthn idia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei megalh diafora sto na deixnei kapoios katanohsh gia aithmata poy exoyn diafores plhqysmiakes omades kai sto na leei kapoios se omades na kleisoyn toys dromoys. H kybernhsh ayth, to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, synexeia, apo tote poy anelabe arxhgos, Proedros toy kommatos o Kwstas Karamanlhs, atalanteyta exei thn idia qesh. To eipe o Prwqypoyrgos proxqes sthn omilia toy, sth giorth poy organwse h Grammateia Gynaikwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai sas ypenqymizw oti hdh apo ton Dekembrio toy 1998 -- an den me apataei h mnhmh moy kai nomizw oti den me apata -- se dyo periptwseis, me apostash poly ligwn hmerwn, o Kwstas Karamanlhs katadikase ta mploka stoys dromoys. Tote poy h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh kai qa mporoyse kapoios na pei oti isws tote h Nea Dhmokratia qa epairne mia qesh, h opoia qa htan akraia. Den to ekane.

KAKALHS: Toses meres den legate oti htan kommatika ypokinoymenes oi kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn. Jafnika shmera mas lete oti gia kommatikoys logoys kapoioi qeloyn na kleisoyn toys dromoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Egw eipa oti gia kommatikoys logoys kapoioi, endexomenws, qa hqelan oi dromoi na meinoyn mplokarismenoi gia megalo diasthma. Egw den eipa oti oi kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn einai kommatika ypokinoymenes. Einai entelws diaforetiko ayto poy lew.

KAKALHS: Ti akribws lete dhladh; Oti den einai ypokinoymenes; Ejakoloyqeite na lete oti den einai ypokinoymenes kommatika;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio lew einai oti kapoioi den briskoyn to apaitoymeno politiko qarros kai thn politikh eyqynh, h opoia xreiazetai, wste na katadikasoyn jekaqara, xwris ``nai men, alla'' to kleisimo twn dromwn. Ayto lew.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epeidh kat epanalhch o k. Papakwnstantinoy, exei anaferqei sta mploka kai exei pei oti to PASOK einai enantia ston kleisimo twn dromwn, symfwnei me ta aithmata. Poioys ennoeitai; To KKE kai to SYRIZA; Aytoi ypokinoyn toys agrotes; .

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoieite ekfraseis tis opoies egw den xrhsimopoihsa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Rwtaw. Den xrhsimopoiw. Sas rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoieite to rhma ``ypokinoyn'' to opoio egw den xrhsimopoihsa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Peste to opws qelete. Poioi krybontai telos pantwn pisw apo...

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. An diabasete thn apomagnhtofwnhsh twn dhlwsewn moy, qa deite oti einai pentakaqaro ayto to opoio lew.

STAQOPOYLOS: Eidame shmera oti dyo mploka exoyn hdh spasei, ayto toy Isqmoy, epanw sth Qessalonikh, twra synedriazoyn ta Temph, ektimhsh ths kybernhshs einai oti mexri to telos ths ebdomadas qa exoyn anoijei oi dromoi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh pisteyei oti oi dromoi prepei na einai eleyqeroi kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, ola ta emporeymata na kinoyntai eleyqera se oloklhrh thn epikrateia. H eleyqerh diakinhsh anqrwpwn kai emporeymatwn einai mia apo tis basikes arxes ths Dhmokratias. Einai mia apo tis basikes arxes poy diepoyn thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, synepws lew to aytonohto.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Papandreoy milwntas stoys omogeneis sth Germania, xarakthrise tis eyrwekloges toy Ioynioy dhmochfisma kai den apekleise to endexomeno na exoyme boyleytikes ekloges prin apo tis eyrwekloges. Pws sxoliazete aytes tis topoqethseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa anaferqw jana se qemata poy periexoyn stoixeia eklogologias.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prokalese erwthmatika h anafora toy k. Xatzhgakh proxqes sto oti h eleyqerh kykloforia stis eqnikes odoys den einai qema toy dikoy toy Ypoyrgeioy, alla anhkei sthn armodiothta alloy Ypoyrgeioy. H kybernhsh exei apanthsh ti ennooyse; Poio Ypoyrgeio ennooyse, giati to myalo olwn phge sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete shmasia se kati to opoio den exei kamia shmasia. Eilikrina sas to lew. Shmasia exei oti oi dromoi prepei na apodoqoyn, apo toys agrotes oi opoioi toys exoyn katalabei kai exoyn sthsei ta mploka, sthn eleyqerh kykloforia. Kai ayto, ekfrazw thn elpida, oti qa ginei.

MANH: Ayto poy eipate ki eseis eipe kai o k. Xatzhgakhs...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

MANH: ... mono poy to teleiwse alliws. Oti einai qema alloy Ypoyrgeioy ean telika den anoijoyn oi dromoi.

ANTWNAROS: Se ypoqetika pragmata den prokeitai na apanthsw. Den pairnw pote qesh. Sas diabebaiw, oti ekeino to opoio epidiwkei h kybernhsh  kai ayto allwste to exei deijei h synolikh ths symperifora me ton tropo me ton opoio antimetwpise kai ejakoloyqei na antimetwpizei ta aithmata twn agrotwn- - einai o dialogos, einai h peiqw, einai h ikanopoihsh twn aithmatwn sto metro toy dynatoy kai sto metro twn dynatothtwn poy exei h oikonomia mas mesa sta plaisia ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs.

TERZHS: Na epanelqw sto erwthma poy peripoy ekana nwritera. Symfwna me plhrofories - -qa moy peite oti den apantw se plhrofories- - o k. Xatzhgakhs einai problhmatismenos gia th sthrijh poy apelabe aytes tis teleytaies hmeres apo kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh. Ayto to qetw sth syzhthsh. Sas erwtw safws: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn paroysia twn stelexwn ths kai twn boyleytwn poy th sthrizoyn oles aytes tis hmeres poy sobei to agrotiko metwpo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti kai alles fores prospaqeite - -oxi eseis, genika- - na kanete qema, megalytero apo ayto poy pragmatika einai, dhmosies topoqethseis boyleytwn, para to oti gnwrizete pws den sxoliazw topoqethseis boyleytwn. As mhn jexname oti polloi apo toys boyleytes eklegontai se eklogikes perifereies, me kata kyrio logo agrotiko plhqysmo. Kai einai fysiko na gnwrizoyn poly kala apo prwto xeri ta aithmata, tis anhsyxies, tis agwnies aytwn twn tmhmatwn toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy kai na ginontai agwgoi, an qelete, na metaferoyn pros ta ejw ayta ta aithmata me ta dika toys logia. Den briskw kati, to opoio qa mporoyse kapoios na katakrinei, se ayth th symperifora. Kai oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws oloi oi boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, metaferoyn, exontas eidikes gnwseis, ta aithmata twn agrotwn, twn Ellhnwn politwn apo tis perifereies poy eklegontai kai oxi monon. Dioti, enas boyleyths ekfrazei, bebaiws, kai apoceis pera apo thn eklogikh toy perifereia. O k. Xatzhgakhs xeiristhke, asfalws, me para poly kalo tropo to qema twn aithmatwn toy agrotikoy kosmoy. Kai gi` ayto akribws exw thn pepoiqhsh oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn agrotwn briskei antapokrish sta aithmata ths. Giati gnwrizoyn kai ekeinoi, opws oloi oi Ellhnes polites, oti oi dynatothtes poy exei h Politeia einai dedomenes.

MANH: Oi boyleytes sas, loipon, eixan metaferei ta problhmata edw kai toylaxiston dyomish mhnes, eixan proeidopoihsei gia tis kinhtopoihseis, eixan proeidopoihsei gia ta mploka, eixan ginei hdh kapoies mikrokinhtopoihseis prin tis giortes kai parola ayta, h kybernhsh xreiasthke na kateboyn 10.000 trakter stoys dromoys gia na ta antimetwpisei me ton tropo poy ta antimetwpise. Giati ayth h kaqysterhsh; Se ayto den exete apanthsei.

ANTWNAROS: Me exete rwthsei epaneilhmmenws tis teleytaies hmeres gia to idio qema, gia dhqen kaqysterhseis. Egw den afairw apo kanena boyleyth, ekproswpo toy ellhnikoy laoy sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn, to dikaiwma na leei thn apoch toy. Shmasia exei ayto poy egine. Oti breqhke dhladh lysh, sto metro toy dynatoy, gia ta perissotera - -an oxi gia ola- - ta sygkekrimena aithmata toy agrotikoy kosmoy.

Sas eyxaristw.


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