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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-02-17

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 17 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 186662105

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Febroyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei ayrio, Tetarth 18 Febroyarioy, stis 10.00, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias toy Ilinois k. Alejh Giannoylia kai to Geroysiasth toy Ilinois k. Ritsarnt Ntermpan.

" Epishs, ayrio, stis 12.00, qa synedriasei ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. H enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn qa ginei meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

" Qa hqela na anaferqw se diafora shmeia-parathrhseis, poy ekane xqes to PASOK, toso ek meroys toy ekproswpoy toy, oso kai ek meroys ths armodias gia ergasiaka qemata. Kai oi dyo milhsan gia dhqen allages stoys kanones eggrafhs ston OAED, apo to 2004 kai meta. Oi isxyrismoi aytoi einai apolytws anypostatoi kai fysika parapeistikoi. Ean ayto den ofeiletai se mia syneidhth prospaqeia paraplanhshs twn politwn, opws ayth poy kanei syxnotata to PASOK to teleytaio diasthma, tote h stash ayth prepei na apodoqei sthn elliph ews kai problhmatikh gnwsh ths politikhs ypeyqynoy toy PASOK gia ton tomea ths apasxolhshs, alla kai synolika toy PASOK. Ginomai sygkekrimenos:

Prwton: Oi epidotoymenoi anergoi, dhladh, oi anergoi poy lambanoyn epidoma anergias, mporoyn na ergastoyn sporadika mexri 12 hmeromisqia to mhna, xwris na diakoptetai h synolikh epidothsh anergias toys kai kyriws, xwris na diagrafetai h karta anergias toys. Ayto isxye kai sto parelqon, ayto isxyei kai shmera. Allagh kamia.

Deyteron: Oi loipoi anergoi poy den lambanoyn epidoma anergias, profanws gia to xroniko diasthma poy ergazontai den qewroyntai anergoi. Ayto isxye kai sto parelqon, ayto isxyei kai shmera. Allagh kamia.

Profanws, oi ekproswpoi toy PASOK ``mperdecan'' toys epidotoymenoys me toys mh epidotoymenoys anergoys. Kai stis dyo periptwseis pantws, tipote den exei allajei se sxesh me to parelqon.

Kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy kai h k. Xristofilopoyloy apokryptoyn mia poly shmantikh qetikh allagh, dhladh mia allagh pros to kalytero, poy egine meta to 2004. Ypenqymizw oti mexri to 2004, dhladh, oso kybernoyse th xwra to PASOK, oi anerges gynaikes se katastash kyhshs kai loxeias antimetwpizontan apo ton OAED opws oi asqeneis, oi anhmporoi gia ergasia h kai oi ektiontes poinh. Ti ginotan; Diagrafontan apo ta mhtrwa toy Organismoy kai anastellotan h epidothsh toys.

To epibebaiwnei ayto, allwste, kai sxetiko porisma toy Synhgoroy toy Polith, poy basizetai se polyariqmes anafores egkywn gynaikwn, sto diasthma apo to 1998 ews kai 2004.

Ayto htan, ayto einai to pragmatiko ``koinwniko'' proswpo toy PASOK: Ypokritiko kai analghto. Akomh kai paranomies xrhsimopoioysan gia th ``diaxeirish'' ths anergias epi twn hmerwn toy PASOK.

Emeis, ws kybernhsh, katarghsame ayth thn aparadekth diakrish se baros twn egkywn anergwn gynaikwn. Den diagrafontai pleon apo ta mhtrwa toy OAED. H epidothsh anergias pros aytes tis gynaikes den diakoptetai. O xronos anergias toys prosmetratai kanonika kai h karta anergias toys ananewnetai aytomata, xwris na apaiteitai kan h aytoproswph paroysia toys stis yphresies toy OAED.

Ekane xqes, epishs, anafora o k. Papakwnstantinoy sto qema ths koinwnikhs ergasias, to opoio xrhsimopoiei kai sth xqesinh toy enhmerwsh, ws mia dhqen rizospastikh lysh me anafora oti perilambanetai sto programma toy PASOK. Apla pragmata prepei na mas apanthsei to PASOK gi` ayto to sygkekrimeno qema. Oi apanthseis sta erwthmata mas den exoyn doqei.

Sygkekrimena:

H ergasia ayth einai ameibomenh h eqelontikh;

Einai me oloklhrh h me merikh amoibh;

Einai me plhrh h me merikh apasxolhsh;

Posoys anqrwpoys perilambanei;

Gia ti noymera milaei to PASOK;

Kai me poia sxesh ergasias qa apasxolhqoyn;

Ti proteinoyn;

Eipa kai xqes ston k. Papakwnstantinoy oti me genikologes apanthseis, me kenologies, me fraseis oi opoies den exoyn nohma, politikh den ginetai. Oi polites exoyn apaithsh gia ypeyqynh stash. Exoyn apaithsh gia sygkekrimenes apanthseis. Exoyn apaithsh na dinontai stoixeia poy exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

Sthn prospaqeia toy, gia mia akomh fora, na diastrecei thn pragmatikothta, o ekproswpos toy PASOK isxyristhke, me kapoies anakoinwseis poy ebgale - -lalistatos einai allwste, alla aney oysias- - oti h kybernhsh thn opoia ekproswpw kai egw, dhqen yperaspizomaste toys trapezites.

Tetoioi isxyrismoi mono gelia mporoyn na prokalesoyn. Kai to eipe, giati den exei tipote na pei sta poly sygkekrimena stoixeia, me dekadika pososta meta to komma, poy edwsa xqes gia na apodeijw me poia diafora exoyn ejelixqei ta epitokia. Kai milaw gia epitokia sygkekrimenwn kathgoriwn, anamesa sto 2004 kai to 2009.

To lew gia mia akomh fora: H hgetikh omada toy PASOK prepei na katalabei oti me genikothtes, politikh den ginetai. Oi polites den peiqontai. Den ejhgoyntai etsi ta epixeirhmata.

Kai epeidh anaferqhke o k. Papakwnstantinoy xqes, epishs, sto legomeno ``plastiko xrhma'', qa hqela na toy qymisw kapoia apla pragmata. Ti exei kanei h kybernhsh gia na qwrakisei ta symferonta twn politwn se sxesh, bebaiws, me to ti ekanan oi kybernhseis toy PASOK poy gia polla xronia diaxeiristhkan tis tyxes ths xwras:

Prwton, h kybernhsh me stoxeymenes apofaseis kai ryqmiseis bazei stadiaka - -den exoyn lyqei ola ta problhmata, oydepote to isxyristhkame- - tajh sto anarxo topio twn pistwtikwn kartwn poy parelabe apo to PASOK. Ejorqologizei thn katastash kai lambanei metra oysiastikhs prostasias toy katanalwth.

Deyteron, qesmoqethqhke apo ayth thn kybernhsh kai oxi apo allh, oxi apo th xqesinh, to akatasxeto ths monadikhs katoikias daneiolhpth, gia xreh mexri 20.000 eyrw apo pistwtikes kartes kai katanalwtika daneia. Ti eixe kanei to PASOK gi` ayto; Tipote apolytws.

Triton, apagoreythke h promhqeia stis analhceis metrhtwn kai gi` ayto to logo exoyn epiblhqei hdh prostima, ycoys panw apo 10 ekatommyria eyrw, se 17 trapezes. Mporei na mas qymisei to PASOK, ti eixe kanei, an eixe kanei kati analogo sto parelqon; H mnhmh moy den me apata: Nomizw oti den eixe kanei tipote.

Tetarton, apagoreythke h ayqaireth, anaitiologhth ayjhsh sta epitokia, h aproeidopoihth anaprosarmogh syndromhs kai h monomerhs tropopoihsh twn orwn ths symbashs. Me nomo toy kratoys mpainei freno sthn asydoth drash twn eispraktikwn etaireiwn. Mhpws den yphrxan aytes oi etaireies epi PASOK; As gyrisoyme ligo sto parelqon. Ekanan kati; Tipota. Mhden.

Pempton, me ekdoseis kai draseis enhmerwshs se olh th xwra, h Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth enhmerwnei toys polites gia ta dikaiwmata kai tis dynatothtes poy exoyn sthn agora trapezikwn proiontwn. Stoxos einai enas, aplos, xeiropiastos: H dhmioyrgia koyltoyras ypeyqynoy daneismoy. Kai s` ayto fysika, to PASOK eixe apotyxei, giati h drash toy htan mhdenikh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta apo pente xronia, moy fainetai ligo periergo na epimenete na anafereste, synolika ws kybernhsh ennow, sta pepragmena toy PASOK, ta opoia ektimhqhkan prin apo pente xronia apo ton ellhniko lao. Katalabainw oti ton prwto xrono, ton deytero xrono, piqanon na exei nohma ayto to ``ti kanate kai to ti kanoyme''. Shmera omws, meta apo pente xronia diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias o kosmos koyrazetai na to akoyei ayto to pragma, thn epistrofh sta pepragmena toy PASOK synexws. Qa hqela mia apanthsh gi` ayto.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh einai poly aplh. Egw den anaferomai sta pepragmena toy PASOK, giati den yparxoyn pepragmena toy PASOK. Einai mh pepragmena. Egw anaferomai stis draseis ths kybernhshs.

TSIOYFOS: Ayta eginan omws.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka se pente shmeia, se draseis ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. Kai bebaiws, qelw na pw oti dinoyme lyseis se qemata ta opoia xronizan. Ayto akribws kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

TSIOYFOS: Den anaferqhka mono se ayto poy kanate shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Egw omws se ayto anaferomai.

TSIOYFOS: Anaferomai synolika, oti opoio kybernhtiko stelexos ki an akoyw, blepw na kanei sygkriseis me ayto to prohgoymeno...

ANTWNAROS: To parelqon einai edw. Oso kai na qelei...

TSIOYFOS: Bohqaei se tipote ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Oso kai na qeloyn o arxhgos toy PASOK kai h hgetikh toy omada ``na phdhjoyn ejw apo th skia toys'' kai na poyn oti to parelqon toys den yparxei kai oti yparxoyn edw me parqenogenesh kai oti den sernoyn tipote apo to parelqon, epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: O k. Papandreoy exei parelqon, exei bebarhmeno parelqon, exei sygkekrimeno parelqon, exei ypoyrgiko parelqon se sygkekrimena ypoyrgeia. Kai me ayto to parelqon ton qymoyntai oi Ellhnes polites. O k. Papandreoy den efere pote antirrhsh. Adiamartyrhta dexthke oles tis epiloges twn kybernhsewn tis opoies pista yphrethse. Kai ayto den payei na yparxei katagegrammeno.

KAKALHS: Diapistwnw oti kai shmera synexizete thn atyph proeklogikh kampania poy jekinhsate apo xqes, antallassontas, proxwrwntas se ayth th frastikh antiparaqesh me to PASOK. Pote qa khryjei h kybernhsh epishma th xwra se proeklogikh periodo; Qa perimenei prwta na anebei h syspeirwsh twn opadwn ths kai meta qa prokhryjei ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati gia ta qemata sta opoia epanerxeste. Egw den kanw kamia tetoia antiparaqesh. Profanws o ekproswpos toy PASOK apopeiratai na kanei ayto poy apokalesate ``frastikh antiparaqesh''. Egw kanw antiparaqesh oysias. Dioti den paradexomai se kamia periptwsh osa leei genikologa, xwris epixeirhmata, xwris stoixeia o ekproswpos toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Kai den mporei kaneis na fantastei oti osa asthrikta ypesthrije xqes gia to qema ths anergias qa meinoyn anapanthta. Giati na meinoyn anapanthta; Ta stoixeia einai edw. Den mporei na ta amfisbhthsei kaneis.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milate gia pepragmena ths kybernhshs...

ANTWNAROS: Den milhsa gia pepragmena ths kybernhshs. Egw milhsa gia draseis ths kybernhshs.

SMYRNHS: Wraia. Epeidh milate gia draseis ths kybernhshs. Tesseris mhnes meta thn anakoinwsh toy paketoy twn 28 dis gia tis trapezes, einai logiko na mhn exete orisei epta epitropoys sta dioikhtika symboylia twn trapezwn; Qewreite eylogo to xroniko diasthma gia tetoia adraneia;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qelete na sas kanw mia anafora akomh sxetika me to pws leitoyrgei to sxedio gia th reystothta sthn oikonomia. Einai liges ebdomades poy arxise na energopoieitai to systhma twn eggyhsewn. To systhma twn eggyhsewn einai ayto apo to opoio arxizei h diadikasia gia ton orismo twn Epitropwn. Oi trapezes prepei na ypogracoyn oti eiserxontai, oti dexontai ayto to tmhma toy sxedioy kai tote qa oloklhrwqei h diadikasia toy orismoy twn Epitropwn. Ayto, loipon, to opoio lete peri tessarwn mhnwn, pera toy oti den einai swsto giati gnwrizete poly kala pote chfisthke apo th Boylh to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, dhmioyrgei entypwseis oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. H kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy frontizei me ola ta mesa poy diaqetei, wste na fqasoyn stis oikogeneies ta stegastika daneia poy xreiazontai, kai stoys mikroys kai mesaioys epixeirhmaties ekeina ta epixeirhmatika daneia poy apaitoyntai, mesa sto plaisio ths genikhs dieqnoys oikonomikhs dyskolias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw se sxesh me tis trapezes. Sas eixa rwthsei kai tis proalles. Pote einai to deadline gia na ginei olo ayto to pragma kai na ftasei ston katanalwth to ofelos apo th reystothta sthn agora;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto ylopoieitai bhma  bhma. Opws gnwrizete, h katastash den allaje pros to kalytero sth dieqnh oikonomia. H katastash, to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, sthn parembash poy ekane, milwntas dhmosia, ejelissetai synexws. Emeis lambanoyme ola ekeina ta metra poy apaitoyntai, wste na ejasfalizetai bhma me to bhma h reystothta sthn oikonomia. Aytos einai o stoxos mas kai ayto qeloyme na petyxoyme.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla to zesto xrhma pros tis trapezes, apo ta 28 disekatommyria exei hdh jekinhsei na reei. Omws o ellhnikos laos den exei maqei akomh poy exei paei ayto to xrhma. H kybernhsh den aisqanetai thn anagkh na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao gia to ti exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Den diateqhkan 28 disekatommyria zesto xrhma pros tis trapezes.

KAKALHS: Exoyn paei hdh pente toylaxiston, tessera  pente disekatommyria se zesto xrhma kai pera apo tis eggyhseis.

ANTWNAROS: Hdh to sxedio energopoieitai, ylopoieitai, proxwrei.

SMYRNHS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs. H xqesinh hgetikh emfanish ths k. Mpakogiannh me paroysia pollwn boyleytwn, Ypoyrgwn, Yfypoyrgwn, enisxyei ligaki ta senaria gia thn diadoxologia kata thn kybernhsh h oxi ;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Den yparxei tipote tetoio. H k. Mpakogiannh milhse, opws exoyn milhsei kai polloi alloi Ypoyrgoi se ekdhlwseis tis opoies diorganwnei to Institoyto Dhmokratias kata takta xronika diasthmata. Ermhneyete katastaseis me tropo o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths oikonomias. Hqela na rwthsw an yfistatai zhthma xreokopias ths oikonomias opws mpainei apo orismenes pleyres sth periptwsh poy de lhfqoyn ayta ta metra poy proteinei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai h Trapeza ths Ellados.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn apanthsei kai peran twn synorwn ths Elladas polloi ypeyqynoi anqrwpoi, me ypeyqyno tropo se ena toso aneyqyno erwthma poy qesate.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla egw den qelw apanthsh apo toys ejw. Qelw apo esas. Esas rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Kai bebaiws h apanthsh ayth einai ypeyqynh. Den tiqetai kanena tetoio qema.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Ta prwtoselida toy Typoy shmera ta eidate; Einai aneyqynos o tropos poy to qetei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa hqela na paw se ena allo qema twra. Sto qema toy k. Paylidh, twn kataggeliwn, mallon, toy efoplisth k. Manoysh. Den qa htan protimotero gia ton idio ton boyleyth, gia to kyros toy boyleytikoy ajiwmatos poy katexei, na paraithqei apo thn boyleytikh toy edra, mexri na diereynhqoyn oi ypoqeseis twn kataggeliwn toy epixeirhmatia sth Dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gia ayto to qema, ejantlhtika, apo xqes. Den exw na prosqesw oyte lejh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla epeidh to qema ayto yparxei sth dhmosiothta kai trexei kai sthn taktikh anakrish.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei apo xqes.

STAQOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti opws kai xqes etsi kai shmera anaferqhkate ston Giwrgo Papandreoy kai sto PASOK. Hqela na rwthsw, omws, ena pragma. Ayth thn wra, se ligo o Giwrgos Papandreoy paei ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, prokeimenoy, opws leei to reportaz, na toy qesei gia poioys logoys, telos pantwn, zhtaei prowres ekloges. Qa hqela na moy sxoliasete giati einai allo qema na to leme sto Koinoboylio ayto to pragma, kai allo einai na phgainoyme na enhmerwnoyme ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Exei allh shmasia kai qa hqela ena sxolio gia ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhmosiografikes plhrofories gia mia qesmikh synanthsh poy exei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KAKALHS: Mias kai anaferqhkate sto qema ths anergias kai sthn prostasia twn anergwn, giati h kybernhsh den analambanei mia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy na apagoreysei tis apolyseis gia ena diasthma, toylaxiston oso diarkei h krish, me dedomeno hdh polles epixeirhseis, ena megalo meros twn epixeirhsewn, einai kratikodiaites. Kai lambanei me ton enan h ton allo tropo enisxyseis apo to kratos, eite foroapallages, eite me diaforoys tropoys.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn ellhnikwn epixeirhsewn den einai kratikodiaites.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na to apodeijete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, me ariqmoys, alla gia ayto parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai qa to diapistwsete. H kybernhsh exei labei sygkekrimena metra, ta opoia exoyn anakoinwqei kai den prokeitai na ta epanalabw ayth th stigmh, gia th qwrakish ths apasxolhshs sthn Ellada. Sas parapempw, loipon, se ayta ta metra.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh akoyw ton Prwqypoyrgo kai esas kai zhtate thn synainesh toy PASOK gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs. Lambanete omws kai eisprattete oxi mono thn arnhsh, alla qa legane kat ejakoloyqhsh to aithma gia ekloges. Giati den apodexeste to aithma toy k. Papandreoy na pate se ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. Den prokeitai na parakoloyqhsoyme to PASOK, se kamia periptwsh, sthn akatasxeth eklogologia.

KAKALHS: Sthn ayrianh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Amerikanoys Geroysiastes qa syzhthqei kai to endexomeno ths episkechs, toy tajidioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Hnwmenes Politeies;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema pros syzhthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.


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