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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-03-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 16 Martioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 191501618

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Martioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 17 Martioy, stis 12.00, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai qa syzhthsei qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eixame mparaz dhlwsewn kai mesa sto Sabbatokyriako, telika h kybernhsh qewrei oti to komma toy k. Karatzaferh kineitai h den kineitai sta akra;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei, opws exoyme pei kai alles fores, h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh apo to 2007. Me to komma toy k. Karatzaferh den mporoyme na synergastoyme - -elege ayth h dhlwsh- - giati den synergazomaste me ta akra. H qesh mas ayth einai jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

Allwste, molis thn perasmenh ebdomada, thn Pempth, sth syzhthsh poy egine sth Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs eipe ta ejhs: ``Apokleiontai synergasies me xwroys me toys opoioys mas xwrizoyn megales, poly megales, politikes kai ideologikes diafores''.

KAKALHS: Th qesh ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy, afenos kaqysterhsate na thn epanalabete kai profanws, se ayto prepei na apodwsoyme to oti kapoioi Ypoyrgoi, paradeigma, o k. Prokophs Paylopoylos elege oti ``exei rijei poly nero sto krasi toy'' o k. Karatzaferhs kai den mporoyme na xarakthrisoyme ena komma poy einai sth Boylh, komma twn akrwn. Telika ti isxyei; Yparxei mia diglwssia sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia, hdh apo thn arxh ths perasmenhs ebdomadas. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. To qema exei ejantlhqei.

KAKALHS: Shmera, epanalabate oti einai komma twn akrwn. Th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy shmera thn epanalabate, den thn eixate epanalabei tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

ANTWNAROS: Leme ta idia pragmata synexws. To qema exei ejantlhqei.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parola ayta, entajei, exei ejantlhqei to qema, alla sthn teleytaia toy omilia sth Boylh, o k. Karamanlhs apefyge na epanalabei th qesh poy molis prin apo ligo eseis mas diabasate. Epishs, na sas pw oti ston Typo ths Kyriakhs, yphrxan dhlwseis pollwn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy elegan to antiqeto.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti molis thn perasmenh Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe akribws to idio pragma. H epimonh sth mia h thn allh lejh, den allazei to nohma oswn legontai. To nohma einai ayto poy metraei.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kata synepeia, qa xarakthrizate akraia th dhlwsh toy k. Karatzaferh, prin apo ena mhna, oti gia ton idio den yparxei Boreios Hpeiros, h Hpeiros einai mia, h mish eleyqerh kai h mish sklabwmenh kai to idio isxyei kai gia th Qrakh; Den einai akraia h dhlwsh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa mpw sth diadikasia na xarakthrizw dhlwseis toy enos h toy alloy politikoy proswpoy, me ton tropo me ton opoio prospaqeite eseis na moy ypobalete. H qesh ths kybernhshs mas gia ola ayta ta qemata, h qesh ths Elladas einai safhs. Mhn prospaqeite na apodwsete megalyterh shmasia apo ayth poy pragmatika exei h dhlwsh thn opoia exw kanei. Einai jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

KALARITHS: To gegonos oti synainesh sthn kybernhsh prosfere mono ena komma akraio, symfwna me toys xarakthrismoys sas, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Blepete skopimothta, blepete anidioteleia, ti... ;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis blepoyme ena kai monadiko qema: Sth sygkekrimenh, idiaiterh, jexwristh, prwtognwrh dieqnh oikonomikh sygkyria, h opoia exei fqasei kai sth xwra mas, oloi exoyn thn ypoxrewsh - -kai pisteyoyme oti oloi exoyn th dynatothta- - na syndramoyn sthn koinh prospaqeia h opoia ginetai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies ayths ths krishs.

O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, anelabe sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia. Kalese toys politikoys arxhgoys olwn twn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn kai toys paroysiase tis eji basikes paradoxes, gia tis opoies emeis pisteyoyme oti mporoyn na apotelesoyn th bash gia mia eqnikh synennohsh. Apo kei kai pera enapokeitai ston kaqe politiko sxhmatismo na apofasisei, ti qelei na kanei. Alla, ferei bebaiws kai to baros ths eyqynhs toy.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poy apodidei h kybernhsh kai pws skopeyei na antimetwpisei tis dhlwseis stelexwn ths, poy den symfwnoyn kaqoloy me thn topoqethsh thn kybernhtikh, oti o k. Karatzaferhs kineitai sta akra;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den sxoliazw pote dhlwseis boyleytwn h allwn stelexwn. Den prokeitai na to kanw oyte shmera. Ayth h qesh thn opoia sas paroysiasa kai h opoia, opws sas lew, einai h idia qesh thn opoia eixe o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh apo to 2007, apotelei kai th qesh ths kybernhshs.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn Paraskeyh eginan osa eginan sto Kolwnaki. Exei dhmioyrghqei ena genikotero aisqhma anasfaleias, to opoio pws qa antistrecei h kybernhsh; Me tis genikologes dhlwseis peri omadas kroyshs poy qa dra sto kentro, xwris na jeroyme poioi qa thn apoteloyn, poy qa exei edra, poioys qa apasxolei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai, se kamia periptwsh - -den to exw kanei pote kai den prokeitai na to kanw oyte kai shmera- - na anaferqw se epixeirhsiaka qemata ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, twn ellhnikwn diwktikwn Arxwn. Ekeino to opoio qa pw, omws, einai oti symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw, h Astynomia epanasxediazei th drash ths en ocei twn newn dedomenwn ta opoia prokyptoyn, metajy twn opoiwn, einai bebaiws kai o kainoyrgios tropos, me ton opoio fainetai na droyn ta melh aytwn twn apeiroelaxistwn meiochfiwn, twn opoiwn th drash katadikazei h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KORIDH: O k. Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei thn Kypro ton allo mhna kai an nai, poia qa einai ta qemata pros syzhthsh; Sas eyxaristw.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati sxetika me episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kypro. Otan yparxei kati, qa to plhroforhqeite.

MANH: Sto qema ths egklhmatikothtas, den qelw na rwthsw epixeirhsiakes leptomereies, alla o kaq` ylhn armodios Anaplhrwths Ypoyrgos o k. Markogiannakhs, dhlwnei shmera ston ELEYQERO TYPO, anoxh telos. H erwthsh einai, mexri twra yphrxe anoxh;

ANTWNAROS: Pote den yphrje, den yparxei kai den mporei na yparjei anoxh se egklhmatikes energeies. Oi egklhmatikes energeies, oi paranomes energeies, h parabatikh symperifora timwreitai, opws problepetai apo toys sxetikoys nomoys.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite oti h antimetwpish twn egklhmatikwn energeiwn, ths egklhmatikothtas twn koykoyloforwn perna sto sxediasmo kai sta metra ths kybernhshs mesa apo th syrriknwsh twn dhmokratikwn eleyqeriwn kai twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn; Gia paradeigma, blepw oti qa promhqeyteite pyrosbestikes antlies gia na dialyete tis diadhlwseis, qa epekteinete tis kameres parakoloyqhshs, to asylo einai sto stoxastro. Ti doyleia exei h diwjh ths egklhmatikothtas me th syrriknwsh twn atomikwn eleyqeriwn kai dikaiwmatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti bazete mazi qemata, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

Prwton, einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh efere sth Boylh - -kai chfisthke apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn- - ryqmish, h opoia problepei pws prostateyetai to asylo kai katw apo poies proypoqeseis, poy problepontai apo to nomo, mporei na yparjei h epembash twn diwktikwn Arxwn, prokeimenoy na apofeyxqoyn paranomes prajeis, parabatikh symperifora.

Deyteron, oson afora to allo qema poy anaferete: Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai ths ellhnikhs Politeias sxetika me tis kameres.

Kai triton, asfalws den qa prepei kapoios na paroysiazei qemata, opws einai o ejoplismos twn diwktikwn Arxwn, etsi wste esfalmena na ermhneyontai ayta ta qemata ws dhqen periorismos twn atomikwn eleyqeriwn.

Sthn Ellada, oi Ellhnes polites exoyn plhreis atomikes eleyqeries, oi opoies den empodizontai kai den periorizontai apo kanenan. Einai, omws, apolytws fysiko oti den mporoyn orismenoi, polloi ligoi, oi opoioi syneidhta parabiazoyn to nomo, na qetoyn se kindyno, opote aytoi to apofasisoyn, thn perioysia h merikes fores kai th zwh ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn.

H Politeia exei ypoxrewsh na perifroyrhsei ayta ta agaqa. Kai asfalws qa to prajei me ola ta nomima mesa.

KAKALHS: Ayto akribws lew kai egw, oti ston prosanatolismo ths kybernhshs einai akribws h syrriknwsh twn atomikwn eleyqeriwn kai dikaiwmatwn, prokeimenoy na diaswqei to ycisto, opws apoxarakthrizetai, dikaiwma ths asfaleias. To eipe o k. Markogiannakhs tis proalles, legontas oti endexomenws qa xreiastei na qysiasoyme kapoia pragmata sto onoma aytwn twn agaqwn poy epikalesthke. Ara, einai mia syneidhth prospaqeia ayth poy kanete.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh poy brisketai pente akribws xronia ekei opoy thn etaje h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, exei apodeijei ton plhrh sebasmo poy exei pros ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai tis atomikes eleyqeries olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh sto epikentro ths kritikhs poy askei o k. Karatzaferhs brisketai h k. Ntora Mpakogiannh kai ta eqnika qemata, alla kai epeidh twn epeisodiwn ths perasmenhs Paraskeyhs sto kentro ths Aqhnas eixan prohghqei ta para poly sobara epeisodia toy perasmenoy Dekembrioy, ta opoia epeferan kai kapoia ntomino allagwn, allagh sthn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajews k.t.l. Qelw na sas kanw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi ws kybernhsh, prwton apo thn poreia twn eqnikwn qematwn opws exei shmera kai deyteron, apo ton tropo poy diaxeiristhkate meta to prwto maqhma poy labame oloi mas, epwdyno dystyxws, toy Dekembrioy ston tomea ths asfaleias twn politwn, meta kai ta epeisodia ths Paraskeyhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa hqela na dhmioyrgoyntai, me ayth th syrrafh qematwn entelws asyndetwn metajy toys, esfalmenes entypwseis. H ejwterikh politikh ths kybernhshs einai eniaia. Ekfrazetai apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Askeitai apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Kai ola ta eqnika qemata, na eiste bebaios oti briskontai se poly kala xeria. Briskontai sta xeria ths kybernhshs toy Kwsta Karamanlh, o opoios ta xeirizetai me ypeyqynothta, mazi me ola ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

Oson afora to deytero qema: Sas eipa - -to exw pei kai alles fores- - oti kaqe fora poy apaiteitai, ginontai oi aparaithtes prosarmoges sth leitoyrgia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias kai twn diwktikwn Arxwn. To eipa kai eisagwgika prohgoymenws. Opoiadhpote allh syzhthsh panw se ayto to qema, peritteyei.

ARMENHS: Mhpws, k. Ekproswpe, xreiazetai prosarmogh kai h ryqmish poy exete ferei gia to asylo, afoy apo o,ti fainetai sthn prajh den threitai o nomos;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei eisagagei sth Boylh, apo thn opoia kai exei chfistei, mia nomoqetikh ryqmish, thn opoia emeis qewroyme, me th shmerinh ths morfh, eparkh.

DHMADHS: Tis proalles, o k. Karamanlhs - -kai gnwrizete kai eseis para poly kala ayto to gegonos- - zhthse th synainesh gia thn antimetwpish ths oikonomikhs krishs. Mia synainesh thn opoia speysate na peite oti einai ejw kai pera apo meteklogikes h proeklogikes synergasies. Egw hqela, omws, na kanw mia erwthsh, h opoia qewrw oti einai eylogh, diabazontas tis dhlwseis ths k. Mpakogiannh anaferomenh ston k. Karatzaferh, poy leei oti ``ta akra einai akra kai o k. Karatzaferhs einai ejw apo th Nea Dhmokratia''. Ayth h sfodrothta twn dhlwsewn ths pros ton k. Karatzaferh, poso bohqa ayth th synainesh poy zhthse o k. Karamanlhs, sygkekrimena gia thn oikonomikh krish;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka se ola ayta ta qemata prin erqete. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Einai jekaqaro to qema.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to oti erxontai edw empeirognwmones apo thn Skotlant Giarnt gia na bohqhsoyn thn Astynomia sto ergo ths, shmainei oti den mporoyse na ta kataferei kai monh ths ws twra;

ANTWNAROS: Synergasia diaforwn yphresiwn ths EL.AS. me jenes antistoixes yphresies, yphrxe panta, yparxei kai qa ejakoloyqhsei bebaiws na yparxei. Den apotelei kati to kainoyrgio. Einai panta mesa sta plaisia ths prospaqeias gia perissoterh apotelesmatikothta.

STAQOPOYLOS: Shmera, to radiofwno toy ANT-1 apokalyce oti exei entopistei to atomo ekeino poy dierreyse th lista ths Antitromokratikhs kai th dhmosieyse h efhmerida ``TO BHMA''. Exete kapoio neotero na mas peite ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

STAQOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete an exei entopistei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati na sas pw ep` aytoy.

MELIGKWNHS: Me aformh kai kapoies dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Kyriakos Mhtsotakhs, thn Paraskeyh, oti sta epeisodia toy perasmenoy Dekembrioy h Politeia edwse ena lanqasmeno mhnyma oti apempolei to dikaiwma poy exei sto monopwlio ths bias, qewreite oti, telos pantwn, apo edw kai pera ta pragmata prepei na allajoyn se sxesh me to pws antimetwpise ton perasmeno Dekembrh h Politeia to qema ths dhmosias tajhs;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe fainomeno einai diaforetiko. Topoqethqhka, omws, pro oligoy.

DHMADHS: Mporei kaqe fainomeno na einai diaforetiko, opws eipate, wstoso o k. Markogiannakhs epanelabe ayta ta opoia epanalambanei poly syxna kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai kybernhtika stelexh peri synaineshs. Zhthse synainesh gia thn antimetwpish ths egklhmatikothtas kai gia th xeiragwghsh kai xalinagwghsh olwn aytwn twn eknomwn symperiforwn. Apo poion zhta twra synainesh; Pali apo ton k. Karatzaferh; Kai an nai, o k. Karatzaferhs exei topoqethqei sta akra dejia. Zhta, dhladh, th bohqeia toy k. Karatzaferh gia na epibalei to nomo kai thn tajh;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sas akoloyqhsw, se kamia periptwsh, se tetoia almata, ta opoia kanete. H lejh ``synainesh'', paroti orismenoi qeloyn na th xrhsimopoioyn se sxesh me ta politika kommata, ta koinoboyleytika kommata, den afora mono ta politika kommata. Afora kai polloys alloys paragontes kai qesmikoys foreis ths dhmosias zwhs toy topoy mas. Se ayto to qema eixame anaferqei kai otan miloysame kai gia thn oikonomia.

Prepei, loipon, oloi osoi exoyn kapoio logo, na synennohqoyn oti apenanti se aytoys toys poly ligoys, oi opoioi gia kapoioys dikoys toys logoys - -poy egw pisteyw oti den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn politikh- - kanoyn th bia shmaia toys. Oloi oi alloi, loipon, prepei me mia fwnh na strafoyn enantion toys. Kai ayto kanei, eimai bebaios, h syntriptikh pleiochfia ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Toys apomonwnei kai toys bazei sto periqwrio.

KALARITHS: H ellhnikh koinwnia profanws toys apomonwnei. Wstoso, epeidh epanalambanomena gegonota me arnhtikes synepeies deixnoyn oti yparxei eite eyqynh, eite aneparkeia, hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh ektima oti yparxei mono epixeirhsiakh eyqynh h aneparkeia h yparxei kai politikh; Exete katalhjei se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: To qema ayto to ejantlhsa. Den qa epanelqw. Tetoia fainomena allwste, qa sas pw oti symbainoyn kai se alles xwres. As mhn kanoyme pws eimaste h monadikh xwra sthn opoia parathroyntai tetoia fainomena, tetoia peristatika.

Einai apolytws katadikastea. Qa moy peite - -jerw- - oti den arkei h dikh moy katadikh. Asfalws kai den arkei. Alla h boylhsh ths kybernhshs - -kai eimai bebaios kai h boylhsh twn diwktikwn Arxwn- - katateinei sto na ejeyreqoyn, na diapistwqei poioi einai oi ypaitioi aytwn twn prajewn, aytwn twn peristatikwn kai na ypostoyn tis synepeies poy problepei h sxetikh nomoqesia.

Oles aytes oi prospaqeies, loipon, ginontai kai qa ejakoloyqhsoyn na ginontai.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera se polles efhmerides yparxei ena peristatiko anqrwpoy, o opoios xrwstage 4.000 eyrw sthn karta toy kai toy ginetai katasxesh toy spitioy toy. To rwtw ayto, giati mas eixate anakoinwsei edw to nomo gia thn prostasia twn mikroofeiletwn, o opoios sthn prajh fainetai oti den efarmozetai.

ANTWNAROS: Ena peristatiko to opoio moy anaferete, den mporei fysika na qesei ektos leitoyrgias mia sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe h kybernhsh, gia thn opoia egine sxetikh nomoqetikh ryqmish kai h opoia, bebaiws, efarmozetai sthn prajh.

H mia ayth periptwsh einai asfalws, efoson antikeitai stis diatajeis toy nomoy, apolytws katadikastea.

SMYRNHS: Einai mia poy eftase ston Typo. Mporei na yparxoyn alles dekades, poy den exoyn ftasei akoma.

ANTWNAROS: Nai, alla asfalws qa gnwrizete xiliades periptwseis anqrwpwn, oi opoies den ftanoyn ston Typo, giati exoyn, mesa sto plaisio ths kainoyrgias ryqmishs, sth diaqesh toys perissotero xrono kai megalyteres dynatothtes, wste na antimetwpisoyn ta oikonomika problhmata, poy endexomenws toys exoyn prokycei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh qewrei pronomioyxoys toys ergazomenoys poy exoyn mia staqerh qesh ergasias; To lew ayto me aformh thn topoqethsh toy k. Papaqanasioy, oti gia toys ergazomenoys sto Dhmosio qa synypologistei kai to gegonos oti exoyn thn asfaleia ths monimothtas, ara den dikaioyntai oxi mono ayjhseis, alla qa exoyn kai meiwseis misqwn. Dhladh, to epomeno bhma poio einai; Oi merikhs apasxolhshs ergazomenoi na einai pio pronomioyxoi apenanti stoys anergoys kai stoys apolymenoys kai ara kai se aytoys na ginoyn meiwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh.

DHMADHS: Xqes, h Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia eixe ena para poly endiaferon prwtoselido, to opoio anaferotan sth meiwsh toy FPA gia tis toyristikes epixeirhseis kai gia to xwro twn kataskeywn me prasino fws apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, kati to opoio aposiwphse o k. Papaqanasioy, opws eidame, kata th synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse meta. H Ellada, h ellhnikh kybernhsh protiqetai na akoloyqhsei to dromo poy xaraje h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai en prokeimenoy kai h Gallia me meiwsh toy FPA stis toyristikes epixeirhseis.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: O k. Papaqanasioy, opws oloi oi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, kanoyn, meta apo shmantikes synanthseis poy exoyn, plhrh kai sfairikh enhmerwsh. Den aposiwpoyn apolytws tipote. Deyteron: Qa enhmerwqw gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai an yparxei kati, qa sas apanthsw.

MELIGKWNHS: H k. Giannakoy milwntas xqes sthn Kyriakatikh Aygh xarakthrise aparadekth th nomimopoihsh twn hmiypaiqriwn xwrwn kai qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Den einai kapws palaiomoditiko to 2009, mia sygxronh dytikh eyrwpaikh xwra na etoimazetai na nomimopoihsei ayqairesies gia eispraktikoys logoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati ep' aytoy. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti o armodios Ypoyrgos o k. Soyflias exei anaqesei se mia epitroph na melethsei ola ta sxetika poleodomika qemata. Otan yparjei oloklhrwsh ayths ths meleths, qa ginoyn gnwsta ayta ta apotelesmata.

SMYRNHS: Prin apo ligo, o k. Abramopoylos bgainontas apo to Megaro Majimoy eipe oti parelabe ena amartwlo systhma promhqeiwn, to opoio twra to allazei. Ennooyse apo to PASOK h kai apo ton k. Kaklamanh;

ANTWNAROS: Ennooyse asfalws apo to PASOK, to opoio PASOK den exei kanena dikaiwma na diamartyretai gia tetoies aforhtes, gia ton ellhniko lao, katastaseis tis opoies klhrodothse.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti oloi exoyn ypoxrewsh kai dynatothta na syndramoyn stis koines prospaqeies gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs. Wstoso, hqela na rwthsw, oloi eyqynontai gia thn krish. Dhladh, ftaine, as poyme, oi ergazomenoi gia ta elleimmata me dedomeno oti ta prohgoymena xronia ayjhqhke h symmetoxh toys sta forologika barh h oti oi qeseis ergasias ginontai diarkws merikhs apasxolhshs h oti ta apoqematika twn Tameiwn toys ta tzogaroyn sta xrhmatisthria panw apo aytoys; Dhladh, pws qa plhrwsoyn oloi, afoy den eyqynontai oloi gia thn krish;

ANTWNAROS: Otan lew oti prepei na syndramoyn oloi, ennow oti prepei na syndramoyn oloi osoi exoyn ena qesmiko rolo. Kai ayto to opoio eipa, nomizw oti egine safes edw mesa sthn aiqoysa.

Oi synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, jerete, den proklhqhkan oyte apo toys Ellhnes ergazomenoys, oyte apo ta ellhnika politika kommata. Einai mia dieqnhs oikonomikh katastash, thn opoia yfistatai ayth th stigmh olos o kosmos.

Eite qeloyme na to paradexqoyme, eite mas aresei, poy den mas aresei, eite mas boleyoyn ta osa ginontai - -poy den mas boleyoyn- - den payoyn na einai mia poly odynhrh, mia poly dysaresth pragmatikothta. Kai mesa se ayto to plaisio prepei na kinhqoyme.

Mesa se ayto to plaisio prepei na broyme tis lyseis, oi opoies einai oi kalyteres, oi ligotero odynhres, oi pio apotelesmatikes kai gia th xwra kai gia kaqena apo emas jexwrista.

To na kanoyme mia genikh anafora kai genikh analysh, gia to pws qa mporoyse o kosmos na htan diaforetikos, nomizw oti jefeygei apo to stoxo kai jefeygei kai apo thn oysia toy problhmatos poy antimetwpizei shmera olos o kosmos.

Kaqe xwra, to exw pei kai alles fores, exei tis idiaiterothtes ths, ta dika ths problhmata, tis dikes ths domikes ateleies, oi opoies prepei na jeperastoyn. Emeis den eipame pote oti h Ellada einai mia teleia xwra, alla to na lete eseis oti, fer' eipein, ta asfalistika Tameia metaxeiristhkan ta apoqematika toys me ton tropo poy eseis perigracate, den perigrafei thn alhqeia. Ena mikro pososto, opws problepetai apo to nomo, topoqeteitai se sygkekrimenes ajies. Tipote peran aytoy.

KAKALHS: Den thrhqhke ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na mh dhmioyrgeite entypwseis. Pantote thrhqhkan oi sxetikes diatajeis.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo ayto, egw qelw na pw to ejhs: Eipate oti den prokeitai gia kapoia genikh qewrhtikh syzhthsh. Ta pragmata einai sygkekrimena. Oi ergazomenoi xwris na eyqynontai, kaloyntai na plhrwsoyn ta spasmena sthn pragmatikothta. Den eida na plhrwnoyn, gia paradeigma, oi trapezes. Blepw oti plhrwnoyn oi ergazomenoi. Oi trapezes antiqeta enisxyontai kai oi ergazomenoi kaloyntai na ypostoyn kai litothta...

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh epanalambanete, opws kanei kai to PASOK, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw...

KAKALHS: Mhn me taytizete me to PASOK. Kamia sxesh.

ANTWNAROS: Kata koron, omws, kanete kai eseis akribws to idio. Synepws, se ayton to tomea sympleete apolytws. Eite qelete, eite den qelete. Eseis proswpika.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, kanete terastio laqos. Ti doyleia exoyn ayta poy lew egw gia thn krish...

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh eipate gia tis trapezes. Afhste me na teleiwsw...

KAKALHS: Kai tis trapezes tis sthrizei h kybernhsh, anejarthta poios to leei. To PASOK to leei gia toys dikoys toy logoys, giati kai to PASOK sthrizei tis trapezes. To PASOK sympleei me thn kybernhsh, giati kai to PASOK thn idia protash exei akribws me esas. Leei na enisxysete tis trapezes. Den leme to idio pragma. Akribws to antiqeto lew egw, oti oi trapezes prepei na plhrwsoyn, an to bazete se proswpikh bash. Eidallws prepei na plhrwsete. To PASOK leei oti (den akoygetai) prepei na enisxyqoyn. Toylaxiston na jerete tis qeseis toy PASOK na mhn tis taytizete me emena.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh frontizei na enisxyetai h reystothta sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Opoios den antilambanetai th diafora, kako toy kefalioy toy kanei.

MANH: Eisaste se qesh na mas peite, an anakoinwqoyn kai poia metra, sto epomeno eikosahmero, gia thn antimetwpish toy elleimmatos en ocei ths Synodoy toy Martioy; Yparxoyn polles plhrofories gia ``sfijimo'' twn misqwn twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, gia oikonomika forologika metra stoys exontes klp. Exete kati to pio sygkekrimeno;

ANTWNAROS: Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti egw apo ayth th qesh qa epibebaiwsw osa kata kairoys grafontai, me eyfantasto tropo sta Mesa Enhmerwshs;

MANH: Eiste o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws, alla den epibebaiwnw eyfantasta senaria. Otan yparxei kati to opoio einai pros anakoinwsh, qa sas to pw. Ayth th stigmh den yparxei kati pros anakoinwsh.

TSIOYFOS: Giati den to diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxoyn metra pros anakoinwsh. Synepws den exw na sas anakoinwsw kati.

Sas eyxaristw.


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