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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-06-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 16 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 208261653

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Ioynioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhspera.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash toy KYSEA. Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw sxetika me ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan, shmera, sto KYSEA:

Prwton, oson afora th meiwsh ths qhteias stoys 9 mhnes sto strato jhras: H politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas enhmerwse shmera to KYSEA gia th meiwsh ths qhteias sto strato jhras kata treis mhnes, prokeimenoy oi strateymenoi na yphretoyn apo ton Aygoysto 9 mhnes apo 12 poy yphretoyn shmera. Meiwsh ths qhteias problepetai kai gia tis ESSO toy 2009 poy hdh yphretoyn. Dhladh, meiwsh kata dyo mhnes se o,ti afora thn ESSO toy Maioy 2009 kai kata ena mhna se o,ti afora thn ESSO toy Febroyarioy 2009.

Ws ek toytoy, osoi katataxqhkan ton Maio qa yphrethsoyn qhteia 10 mhnwn kai osoi katataxqhkan to Febroyario qa yphrethsoyn 11 mhnes. Kai ayto, xwris bebaiws na qigei to ajiomaxo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn.

H eishghsh ayth kai h apofash poy elhfqh asfalws kai den einai apospasmatikh. O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Baggelhs Meimarakhs prin apo tis ekloges toy 2007 eixe jekaqarisei oti den protiqetai na proxwrhsei sth meiwsh ths qhteias ean den ylopoihqei ena sygkekrimeno programma to opoio qa lambanei ypoch toy polles parametroys.

Meta tis ekloges toy 2007, arxise h ylopoihsh aytoy toy programmatos, me apotelesma, shmera, na exoyn oloklhrwqei oi aparaithtes energeies, parembaseis kai proypoqeseis. Sygkekrimena:

Prwton, prowqhqhkan oi apaitoymenes allages sth xwroqethsh twn stratopedwn.

Deyteron, prowqhqhke h diadikasia gia thn hlektronikh fylajh twn stratiwtikwn monadwn.

Triton, ayjhqhke shmantika o ariqmos twn epaggelmatiwn oplitwn (EPOP).

Tetarton, oloklhrwqhke h mhxanorganwsh twn stratologikwn yphresiwn kai ekpaideythke to synolo toy proswpikoy twn stratologikwn grafeiwn ths xwras.

Epishs, kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko, stamathsan apo tis arxes toy 2009 oi metatajeis strateysimwn apo to strato jhras sto Polemiko Naytiko kai thn Polemikh Aeroporia.

Epelegh, basei sxediasmoy, na mh ginoyn anakoinwseis stis arxes toy 2009 kai ayto gia na mhn yparxoyn aithmata anabolwn, afoy h meiwsh eixe problefqei na isxysei apo ton Aygoysto toy 2009.

Epelegh, epishs, me ypeyqynothta, na mh ginoyn anakoinwseis sthn periodo prin apo tis eyrwekloges, an kai h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas htan etoimh kai mporoyse na ejaggeilei to metro ayto, akomh kai kata thn orkwmosia twn strateymenwn, treis meres prin apo tis ekloges. Kai omws den egine. Kai ayto, prokeimenoy na apofeyxqoyn laikistikes mikrokommatikes korwnes.

H meiwsh ths qhteias einai metro qetiko kai den prepei kapoios na antimetwpizei thn apofash toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas me gnwmona mikrokommatikes skopimothtes kai steira arnhsh. Kai einai qetiko dioti:

Prwton, me th meiwsh ths qhteias meiwnetai kai o xronos entajhs enos strateymenoy sthn agora ergasias h sthn oloklhrwsh twn spoydwn toy.

Deyteron, meiwnetai aisqhta to oikonomiko kostos gia thn oikogeneia toy strateymenoy, afoy qa yparxoyn ligotera ejoda ston oikogeneiako proypologismo toy strateymenoy poy antistoixoyn se xrono triwn mhnwn, dhladh, oso einai h meiwsh ths qhteias.

Prepei na dieykrinistei, para ta osa yposthrizei h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, oti h meiwsh ths qhteias den prokalei kanena problhma sta stelexh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Antiqetws, symfwna me ta stoixeia kai to sxediasmo poy exei ginei, qa epayjhsei thn epixeirhsiakh etoimothta twn sxhmatismwn kai twn monadwn toy stratoy jhras.

Sto shmeio ayto, qa hqela na anaferqw kai stoys epaggelmaties oplites kai tis prwtoboylies poy analambanontai sxetika:

Einai shmantiko oti ayjanetai o ariqmos twn EPOP. Apo to 2007, h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas dromologhse tis diadikasies poy odhghsan sthn ayjhsh ths orofhs twn EPOP, apo 25.000 se 40.000. Ayth h apofash enswmatwqhke sto polynomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy poy chfisthke to 2008.

Sto plaisio ayto, ayjanetai hdh o ariqmos twn EPOP poy entassontai sto stelexiako dynamiko twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Malista, sto strato jhras, entos toy 2009, entaxqhkan 1.700 EPOP, enw brisketai se ejelijh kai h diadikasia gia thn entajh allwn 2.000 ews ta telh toy etoys. Oi epaggelmaties oplites kalyptoyn qeseis poy shmera oi strateysimoi den mporoyn na kalycoyn, afoy den exoyn thn katallhlh ejeidikeysh, thn opoia fysika den mporoyn na apokthsoyn sto mikro xrono ths qhteias toys h kalyptoyn peristasiaka apospwmenoi, omws, apo alles eidikothtes.

Peran twn proslhcewn EPOP gia to strato jhras, brisketai se ejelijh - -enhmerwtika sas to lew- - kai h diadikasia gia thn proslhch epipleon epaggelmatiwn sto Polemiko Naytiko kai thn Polemikh Aeroporia.

To deytero qema poy syzhthqhke shmera sto KYSEA, htan h meiwsh twn legomenwn ``orofwn'' gia ta ejoplistika programmata.

Ylopoiwntas thn entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia periorismo twn dhmosiwn dapanwn, to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas eishghqhke sto KYSEA th meiwsh twn orofwn gia ta ejoplistika programmata poy eixan egkriqei gia to diasthma arxika 2006-2015 kai aforoyn thn periodo 2010-2015.

Stoxos einai h meiwsh twn dapanwn, xwris na dhmioyrghqoyn problhmata sthn apotelesmatikothta twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Emprakth apodeijh ths synexoys prospaqeias poy kataballei to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, apotelei to gegonos oti oi amyntikes stratiwtikes dapanes, apo 4,1% toy AEP poy einai o mesos oros ths tetraetias 1999-2003, diamorfwqhkan se pososto katw toy 3%, enw thn idia stigmh oi ejoplistikes dapanes perioristhkan kata meso oro se pososto katw toy 1% toy AEP.

Ajizei na shmeiwqei oti oi ejoplistikes dapanes epi kybernhsewn PASOK xrhmatodotoyntan apo dyo phges: Afenos apo ton proypologismo toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas kai afeteroy mesw daneismoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Etsi, den katagrafhkan ejoplistikes dapanes ycoys 8,6 disekatommyriwn eyrw apo proionta daneismoy.

Se antiqesh me ayta poy molis sas eipa, apo to 2004 kai meta, h xrhmatodothsh twn ejoplistikwn dapanwn ginetai apokleistika apo tis eggegrammenes pistwseis toy proypologismoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

Epishs, ajizei na shmeiwqei, oti oi symbatikes ypoxrewseis toy parelqontos poy anelabe h paroysa kybernhsh na apoplhrwsei, anerxontan sto poso twn 9,5 disekatommyriwn eyrw. Oi dhmosionomikes synqhkes opws diamorfwnontai, epibaloyn th lhch prosqetwn metrwn pros thn kateyqynsh peraiterw meiwshs twn dapanwn aytwn.

Me odhgo, loipon, tis nees synqhkes kai afoy elhfqh ypoch to ycos twn yfistamenwn aneilhmmenwn symbatikwn ypoxrewsewn, to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, proxwrei shmera sth meiwsh twn orofwn gia ejoplismoys: Kata 15% gia to etos 2010 kai kata 10% kat` etos gia ta eth 2011-2015, me epidiwjh th synexh diathrhsh twn ejoplistikwn dapanwn, kata meso oro katw toy 1% toy AEP.

Ta Epiteleia qa anasxediasoyn kanontas tis antistoixes perikopes programmatwn entos toy 2009, etos oloklhrwshs toy EMPAE 2011-2015 kai o Arxhgos GEEQA qa qesei tis proteraiothtes me bash tis nees sygkekrimenes orofes toy KYSEA.

Gia prwth fora, o Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas meiwnei tis orofes gia ejoplismoys twn etwn 2010-2015, apo 18 disekatommyria eyrw, se 16 disekatommyria, 67 ekatommyria eyrw, meiwsh kata 2 disekatommyria eyrw peripoy.

" Na sas enhmerwsw oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei, meqayrio Pempth 18 Ioynioy, stis Bryjelles, prokeimenoy na metasxei sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. Qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna meta thn oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn toy Symboylioy, arga to apogeyma ths Paraskeyhs 19 Ioynioy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei ginei pali oloklhrh istoria me ton k. Manwlh. Xqes, esteile mia epistolh sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Shmera exei kanei mia dhlwsh. Fainetai oti yparxei problhma me ton sygkekrimeno boyleyth kata kairoys. Pws sxoliazete ola ayta poy exoyn symbei;

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti den sxoliazw apoceis boyleytwn, posw mallon mia epistolh poy o idios o apostoleas th xarakthrizei proswpikh kai empisteytikh.

To an kapoios qelei na einai h na mhn einai ypochfios h an qelei na paraithqei apo th qesh toy, einai dikaiwma toy.

O kaqenas, allwste, me tis prajeis toy kai ta legomena toy, analambanei tis eyqynes toy apenanti ston topo kai thn paratajh.

Kai pantws, qelw na epanalabw mia basikh arxh poy isxyei genika: Ean kapoios diafwnei me basikes epiloges ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, mporei na arei thn empistosynh toy pros thn kybernhsh kai na analabei tis eyqynes toy gia tis synepeies ayths ths epiloghs toy.

KAKALHS: Protrepete ton boyleyth na arei thn empistosynh toy pros thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia poio logo antikatastaqhke o k. Manwlhs apo to prwto qerino Tmhma ths Boylhs kai metaphdhse xwris na to jerei o idios, sto trito;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema. Afora, de, th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs opoy kai parakalw na apeyqynqeite.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den sas enhmerwse o k. Tragakhs, ennow sto Megaro Majimoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xarakthrizete eseis, ypoqetw gnwrizontas ayta poy leei o k. Manwlhs, oti to keimeno ths epistolhs xarakthrizetai proswpiko kai empisteytiko. Apo thn allh meria, yparxei mia seira diarrown ston Typo poy emfanizoyn ton k. Manwlh na kanei systaseis pros ton Prwqypoyrgo gia synenwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias me to LAOS, na toy leei na diwjei osoys eneplakhsan se ``gkrizes'' istories, me prwth to Batopaidio kai na toy rixnei sto telos to ganti, legontas toy pws an aytos qewreitai ypeyqynos gia thn htta stis eyrwekloges, tote mporei na odhghqei kai se paraithsh. Ayta ola poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, h kybernhsh pws ta sxoliazei sthn oysia toys;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera bghke o k. Pagkalos se radiofwniko staqmo kai xarakthrise kwmiko ton k. Manwlh, noymero ton k. Paylopoylo kai geloio ton k. Abramopoylo. Hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, opws sas exw pei, dhlwseis boyleytwn, poly perissotero otan me tis dhlwseis toys apajiwnoyn oi idioi ta legomena toys.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poio einai to nohma ths teleytaias frashs sas gia ton k. Manwlh, poy eipate oti an kapoios diafwnei me tis epiloges ths kybernhshs mporei na arei thn empistosynh; Na ennohsoyme oti sthn epistolh poy exei steilei, bazei qema diafwniwn me epiloges ths kybernhshs; Giati genika, den synhqizete na milate me ypoqetikes erwthseis. Ayto giati to balate;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

SANTAMOYRHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Lete oti opoios diafwnei, mporei na arei thn empistosynh toy pros thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa: Kai qelw na epanalabw mia basikh arxh poy isxyei genika...

SANTAMOYRHS: Symfwnoi. To erwthma einai, efoson prin apo ligo o k. Manwlhs edwse mia dieykrinistikh dhlwsh-anakoinwsh kai leei oti h kybernhsh den kindyneyei, h staqerothta ths den kindyneyei apo emena, poios o logos ypenqymishs aytoy toy isxyontos, thn opoia kanate;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei sto akeraio h dhlwsh moy. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh twra dyo hmeres asxoloymaste me ton k. Manwlh kai emeis kai eseis kai eikazoyme h telos pantwn yparxoyn plhrofories, to ti anaferei sthn epistolh toy, giati h kybernhsh den apofasizei na th dwsei ayth thn epistolh sth dhmosiothta kai na jeroyme oloi peri tinos milame.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den akoysate ayto poy sas eipa.

TSIOYFOS: Giati; Ti sxesh exei ayto poy sas rwtaw me ayto poy eipate; Lew, giati den (akoygetai) h epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh emperiexetai sthn topoqethsh thn opoia ekana.

TSIOYFOS: Ara, na th dwsei o idios, lete.

KOTTARIDHS: To sxolio poy kanate, qa to kanate akomh kai an h Nea Dhmokratia eixe pleiochfia 155-160 boyleytwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se senaria, se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw den qa sas rwthsw gia senaria kai ypoqetikes erwthseis. O k. Manwlhs ypebale thn paraithsh toy xqes; Eseis milate edw gia to endexomeno arshs h ton kaleite, kata th dikh moy ermhneia, an o idios qelei na paraithqei, na paraithqei. Sthn epistolh toy, o idios dhlwnei oti paraiteitai;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh moy, opws akribws thn ekana.

PALAILOGOS: Dhladh, telei ypo paraithsh o k. Manwlhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy sas eipa, ayto isxyei.

TSIOYFOS: Na fygw apo ton k. Manwlh kai na paw sta toy KYSEA, k. Ekproswpe, stis anakoinwseis poy mas kanate gia to KYSEA. Meiwsh qhteias kai meiwsh twn ejoplismwn. Eipate oti enw htan etoimos o Ypoyrgos na ta anakoinwsei, den ta anakoinwse proeklogika kai pros timhn toy poy den ta anakoinwse proeklogika. Mhpws, omws, ola ayta mas bazoyn se mia nea proeklogikh periodo;

ANTWNAROS: H fantasia sas einai axalinwth.

SANTAMOYRHS: Yparxoyn alloi tomeis ths drasthriothtas twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, stoys opoioys ejetazetai na perikopoyn oi dapanes, na perikopei to kostos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Na perasoyme sto qema twn pyrkagiwn: Hqela na rwthsw an teleiwse h periodos twn broxwn, wste na mpoyn ola ta mesa sth diaqesh ths Pyrosbestikhs, opws eipe o k. Markogiannakhs h qa perimenoyme akoma na brejei;

ANTWNAROS: O armodios Ypoyrgos k. Markogiannakhs ekane mia synolikh dhlwsh thn opoia kapoioi espeysan na paroysiasoyn apospasmatika. Shmasia exei oti me ta mesa ta opoia exei sth diaqesh toy to ellhniko kratos antimetwpisthke xqes enas arketa megalos ariqmos pyrkagiwn, asynhqhs gia ta xronika dedomena ths epoxhs. Kai exoyn ginei oles oi katallhles proetoimasies, wste opoiodhpote endexomeno na antimetwpistei me ton tropo poy prepei.

KAKALHS: O k. Markogiannakhs eipe oti den eqese ola ta mesa sth diaqesh ths Pyrosbestikhs, giati den qelei na spatala askopa poroys se baros toy forologoymenoy 'Ellhna polith. 'Exoyn ginei parapona sth kybernhsh oti diaqetete polla gia thn prostasia twn daswn; Oti diatiqentai polla kondylia gia thn prostasia twn daswn;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh exei kanei polla pragmata gia thn prostasia twn daswn. Eyxaristws na sas egxeirisw tis epomenes hmeres olo to sxetiko ntosie.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw an eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn apodosh twn mhxanismwn prostasias kai antimetwpishs twn pyrkagiwn, oi opoioi dokimasthkan tis teleytaies treis-tesseris hmeres.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa hdh.

SPYRAKH: Einai para poly safes ayto poy rwtaw k. Ekproswpe. Yparxei para poly megalh syzhthsh gia to gegonos oti h epidosh twn mhxanismwn htan xamhlh kai h proetoimasia toys ypodeesterh se sxesh me thn proklhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas krish thn opoia den symmerizomai.

KAKALHS: Sta polla poy exei kanei h kybernhsh gia thn prostasia twn daswn einai kai h megalyterh oikologikh katastrofh, h opoia thn exei shmadecei me tis pyrkagies toy 2007;

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste se pragmata...

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, pws lete oti exei kanei polla; Erwthsh hqela na kanw. Einai tosa; Sta polla poy exete kanei gia thn prostasia twn daswn, einai kai ayth h katastrofh toy 2007, h megalyterh oikologikh katastrofh poy shmadeyei thn kybernhsh sas; Kai poy parolh thn katastrofh ayth, o Prwqypoyrgos synexizei na leei oti antapokrinetai, oti to Pyrosbestiko Swma einai etoimo na epitelesei to kaqhkon toy;

ANTWNAROS: Malista. To idio lew kai egw.

KAKALHS: Pws to lete;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws k. Kakalh exete mikra mnhmh eseis. Egw den exw.

KAKALHS: Egw exw poly megalh mnhmh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw qymamai oti sas elega - -kai ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei, den exei allajei kati dyo xronia meta- - oti prokeitai gia mia prwtofanh fysikh katastrofh poy omoia ths sthn entash kai sto eyros, den exei janazhsei h Eyrwph. Ayto einai diapistwmeno ean - -kai eimai bebaios oti exete ayth th dynatothta - - diabasete ek twn ysterwn polles anafores oi opoies ginontai se ejeidikeymena entypa, toy ejwterikoy - - kai qa deite oti etsi xarakthrizetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eixame mia nea topoqethsh apo enan allo boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias, ton k. Aygenakh, o opoios apeilei kai aytos san allos k. Giannelhs, ean den ginei to Efeteio, leei, katw sto Hrakleio ths Krhths, na katachfisei to nomosxedio toy k. Dendia gia toys koykoyloforoys.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gia dhlwseis twn boyleytwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Edw milame gia apeiles boyleytwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den topoqetoymai, den sxoliazw pagiws dhlwseis, topoqethseis boyleytwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa antikatastaqei kai aytos opws kai o k. Manwlhs;

ANTWNAROS: Me opoiondhpote tropo kai an prospaqeite na prokalesete mia apanthsh - - qa elega me akomco tropo - - den qa to kataferete. Profanws qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sth Boylh gi' ayta ta qemata. Sas to lew gia deyterh fora, alla me ton akomco tropo ton opoio xrhsimopoieite prospaqeite na ekmaieysete apo mena mia apanthsh h opoia den einai ths armodiothtas moy.

SANTAMOYRHS: Liges meres meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to politiko klima to opoio diamorfwnetai, qewreite oti epitrepei epityxh analhch prwtoboyliwn gia thn allagh ths politikhs katastashs;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis synexeia analambanoyme prwtoboylies. Sas anefera tis prwtoboylies toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs 'Amynas. Eimai bebaios oti oi synadelfoi sas oi opoioi kalyptoyn alloys tomeis, qa sas enhmerwsan shmera gia tis anakoinwseis, tis topoqethseis tis opoies ekane o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn o k. Eyrypidhs Stylianidhs, sxetika me tis ryqmiseis gia thn onomastikopoihsh twn kartokinhtwn thlefwnwn. O,ti loipon programmatizoyme organwmena, systhmatika, kala proetoimasmena, metoysiwnetai se prajeis.

SANTAMOYRHS: Mia dieykrinistikh: Ennooysa prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kanei prajh to metarryqmistiko ths ergo. Aytes einai oi prwtoboylies mas. Ekei panw organwnoyme olh mas th drash.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite, giati den apeleyqerwnete thn ejodo ths xwras stoys metanastes poy qeloyn na fygoyn pros tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs; Kai poly perissotero poy einai dedomenh h mh yparjh koinotikhs allhleggyhs. Ap' o,ti eidame den yparxei tipota, oyte sta Symperasmata, enw o k. Mparo leei oti h Ellada den exei qesei qema dhmioyrgias Aktofylakhs.

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na epanalabw ayta poy eipa jana xqes; Oles tis prwtoboylies poy exei analabei h kybernhsh kai dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy...

KAKALHS: Einai sygkekrimenh h erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, bebaiws kai exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies h kybernhsh gia thn Aktofylakh kai amfisbhtw ean egine ayth h dhlwsh me ton tropo poy metadoqhke. Deyteron: Profanws den eiste enhmeros gia ton tropo me ton opoion epitrepetai na metakinoyntai entos ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs paranomoi metanastes. Ayta isxyoyn. Emeis eimaste xwra-melos ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs, h opoia threi sto akeraio tis desmeyseis poy isxyoyn gia oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs.

KAKALHS: Kai pws zhtate koinotikh allhleggyh meta, apo th stigmh poy den ekdhlwnetai kati tetoio, den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete. Sas eipa oti ekdhlwnetai h koinotikh allhleggyh se polloys tomeis, toys opoioys eseis, profanws logw ellipoys plhroforhshs, den exete katagracei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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