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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-08-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 25 Aygoystoy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 220711096

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Aygoystoy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Qa hqela na sas pw dyo logia, poly syntoma, gia thn katastash sxetika me tis pyrkagies, symfwna me ta teleytaia stoixeia poy exw apo to Pyrosbestiko Swma.

" H pyrkagia sthn Anatolikh Attikh einai apo to prwi ypo meriko elegxo. Oles oi dynameis poy exoyn orisqei gia na sbhsoyn ayth thn pyrkagia briskontai se plhrh anaptyjh.

Ston Kiqairwna, dhladh sthn perioxh panw apo to Porto Germeno, h katastash ston topo toy symbantos, oson afora thn pyrkagia ayth kaqayth, einai kalh. Stis prospaqeies poy ginontai gia na katasbestoyn oles oi esties poy exoyn apomeinei symmetexoyn kai 113 Kyprioi pyrosbestes.

Sas eipa hdh apo xqes oti eprokeito na erqei kai mia deyterh omada Kypriwn pyrosbestwn, me ton ejoplismo toys. Ayth exei fqasei kai oi perissoteroi apo toys pyrosbestes hdh metexoyn stis epixeirhseis. Ayth th stigmh, h sygkekrimenh pyrkagia einai ypo meriko elegxo.

Telos, h pyrkagia sthn Karysto den exei, ayth th stigmh, energo metwpo.

" Shmera, stis 16.00, qa synedriasei, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa enhmerwqei apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys gia thn katastash poy exei diamorfwqei apo tis pyrkagies sthn Anatolikh Attikh kai stis alles perioxes, tis opoies sas anefera. Qa syzhthsei, epishs, prwtoboylies poy qa lhfqoyn gia thn apokatastash twn pashs fysews zhmiwn poy exoyn proklhqei.

Qa hqela se ayto to shmeio na tonisw oti dinoyme, opws exei symbei panta, idiaitero baros sthn apokatastash twn zhmiwn poy prokalesan aytes oi pyrkagies sto periballon, mesa sto opoio zoyme. Gnwrizete oti h qesh mas einai jekaqarh: Opoy htan dasos kai kahke, qa janaginei dasos. Den epitrepoyme kai den prokeitai na epitrecoyme kamia apoklish apo ayton ton kanona.

Gia perissotera stoixeia qa synanthqoyme jana, meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, prokeimenoy na sas enhmerwsw.

" Arxise, hdh, apo shmera to prwi, opws eixa proanaggeilei apo xqes, h katagrafh twn zhmiwn apo tis pyrkagies sthn perioxh ths Anatolikhs Attikhs. Trianta synergeia mhxanikwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn kai ths Nomarxias Anatolikhs Attikhs, apo koinoy, exoyn arxisei na katagrafoyn stis plhgeises perioxes opoies zhmies exoyn proklhqei kyriws se ktiria. Einai poly nwris, ayth th stigmh, na sas dwsw perissotera stoixeia. Molis yparjoyn perissotera stoixeia, qa ta exete, eite apo emena eite apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio kai th Nomarxia.

" Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs episkefqhke, xqes to brady, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths apostolhs poy exoyn ta pyrosbestika aeroplana kai ta elikoptera, thn texnikh bash aytwn twn elikopterwn, poy brisketai sto aerodromio ths Eleysinas, wste na ekfrasei tis eyxaristies olwn -kai tis dikes toy fysika- pros toys pilotoys kai toys texnikoys ths bashs gia thn aytoqysia, me thn opoia kanoyn th doyleia toys. Mia dyskolh doyleia poy ginetai katw apo idiaitera antijoes synqhkes.

" Qa hqela na anaferqw se ena qema to opoio to eqesa kai xqes, alla yparxoyn profanws, diabazontas ton Typo kai akoygontas tis thleoraseis, kapoia erwthmata. Afora th dieqnh syndromh. Qelw, loipon, na sas paroysiasw gia mia akomh fora, syntoma, ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn:

To aithma gia dieqnh syndromh, dhladh, gia na mas staloyn kyriws pyrosbestika elikoptera kai aeroplana, h emcyxo yliko apo alles xwres, ypoblhqhke apo ton Anaplhrwth Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn k. Xrhsto Markogiannakh sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias, opws prepei na ginei, to meshmeri toy Sabbatoy, kaqws h pyrkagia lambane anejelegktes diastaseis. H Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias energopoihse to Eyrwpaiko Kentro Politikhs Prostasias.

Sas eipa xqes oti h antapokrish htan amesh. Eginan oi eswterikes synennohseis. Kapoies xwres antapokriqhkan mones toys. Apo alles, mesa se ayto to systhma ths eyrwpaikhs synergasias, zhthqhke bohqeia. Antapokriqhkan kai aytes oi xwres kai etsi arxisan na fqanoyn ta pyrosbestika enaeria mesa sth xwra mas.

Ta prwta aeroskafh poy efqasan sth xwra mas, htan ta dyo Canadair apo thn Italia, ta opoia epixeirhsan amesws. Apo to meshmeri ths Kyriakhs kai meta, erxontan ta alla aeroskafh, ta opoia sas anefera xqes: Ta gallika, ena kypriako kai ena toyrkiko. Sas eixa pei oti qa erxontan kai dyo ispanika. Epeidh, bebaiws, sto metajy h katastash omalopoihqhke, kriqhke kai se ayth thn periptwsh oti den yphrxe pleon anagkh kai dedomenoy oti kai sthn Ispania, opws asfalws qa gnwrizete, mallon se oles tis xwres ths Notias Eyrwphs, mainontai aytes tis hmeres megales pyrkagies, epestrecan pisw.

Oles oi prosfores gia bohqeia se enaeria mesa eginan apodektes, ektos ekeinwn twn periptwsewn poy ta mesa poy prosferqhkan den dieqetan symbates epikoinwnies me tis dikes mas epigeies kai enaeries dynameis kai synepws, kai me to syntonisth.

Opws sas eipa kai xqes, oles oi xwres den diaqetoyn aeroplana kai elikoptera me to idio systhma epikoinwnias. Eidika gia ta rwsika aeroskafh, ektos apo ton parapanw logo, den mporoysan na epixeirhsoyn taytoxrona se kyklo mazi me ta ypoloipa aeroskafh, typoy CL215 kai CL415 Canadair, kaqws exoyn diaforetikes taxythtes apoqeshs toy ydatos.

Epishs, sas eipa xqes, oti einai kai to qema ths ellhnikhs gewmorfologias. Ayta ta aeroskafh einai kataskeyasmena, pera ap` oles aytes tis texnikes leptomereies poy sas eipa, gia alles perioxes drashs.

" Na sas kanw mia analytikoterh anafora sth drash kai to rolo poy diadramatise h Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias, apo thn arxh ths katastrofikhs pyrkagias kai kaq` olh thn ejelijh ths:

H Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias synedrame me polloys tropoys, apofasistika, oysiastika kai apotelesmatika. Apo to brady ths Paraskeyhs, otan ekdhlwqhke -qymaste poy sas to eipa xqes-stis 20.45 h pyrkagia sto Grammatiko, htan se synexh epikoinwnia me toys emplekomenoys foreis kai toys Organismoys Topikhs Aytodioikhshs gia diaqesh bohqeias.

Apo to prwi toy Sabbatoy kai sygkekrimena stis 11.20, khryxqhkan proforika, pros to Nomarxh Anatolikhs Attikhs, oi perioxes Barnaba, Grammatikoy kai Maraqwna, se katastash ektakths anagkhs politikhs prostasias kai parallhla, to Kentro Epixeirhsewn Politikhs Prostasias teqhke se ayjhmenh etoimothta.

Sth synexeia, me grapth apofash ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias stis 12.25, mia wra argotera, khryxqhke oloklhros o nomos Anatolikhs Attikhs se katastash ektaktoy anagkhs politikhs prostasias.

O Genikos Grammateas htan se diarkh epikoinwnia me to Nomarxh, gia amesh syndromh kai parexontan proforikes odhgies kai kateyqynseis gia endexomenh apomakrynsh politwn apo tis epikindynes perioxes. Analoges odhgies aytoprostasias ekdidontan gia enhmerwsh toy koinoy kai pros ta Mesa Enhmerwshs.

Pros yposthrijh toy epixeirhsiakoy ergoy toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, ejasfalise kai dieqese h Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias apo tis prwines wres toy Sabbatoy, eparkh ariqmo ydroforwn oxhmatwn twn dhmwn kai twn koinothtwn poy htan gyrw-gyrw apo tis plhttomenes perioxes kai proodeytika apo olo to dynamiko toy lekanopedioy.

Me to teleytaio fws toy Sabbatoy, to brady, ta en logw oxhmata dhmosioy xarakthra, alla kai twn idiwtikwn forewn eixan jeperasei ta 90. Thn idia hmera, metakinhqhkan prolhptika apo idrymata ths Pentelhs, 46 paidia, me th syndromh kai allwn forewn koinwnikhs allhleggyhs.

Me to syntonismo twn energeiwn ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias, ejasfalisthke apo thn prwth hmera, enas shmantikos ariqmos anqrwpinoy dynamikoy, strateysimoi, eqelontes, aploi polites, alla kai meswn poy ejasfalize tis apaithseis poy zhtoyntan apo to Pyrosbestiko Swma, me bash thn katastash opws diamorfwnotan wra me thn wra, lepto me to lepto.

Den qa anaferqw eidikotera stis dynameis aytes -sas einai gnwstes- exw kanei allwste kai poly analytikes anafores xqes. Qa hqela na ypenqymisw pws h Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias -kai aytos einai enas oysiastikos rolos ton opoio exei- ekdidei se olh th diarkeia ths antipyrikhs periodoy, kaqhmerina, hmerhsio xarth problechs kindynoy pyrkagias. Prokeitai gia ena metro poy symballei sthn apotelesmatikoterh antimetwpish pyrkagiwn, afenos men giati me ayton ton tropo brisketai se etoimothta o kratikos mhxanismos kai einai dynaton na lambanontai prosqeta metra prolhchs stis perioxes poy yparxei ychlos kindynos, alla kai eyaisqhtopoieitai o plhqysmos twn perioxwn, gia tis opoies anaferontai ayta ta stoixeia. Dioti gnwrizete poly kala oti otan ta stoixeia ayta metadidontai apo ta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, poy poly syxna ginetai, otan yparxoyn eidikes kairikes synqhkes, ta plhroforeitai kai to thleoptiko koino, ta plhroforoyntai para polloi Ellhnes.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas eixa rwthsei ean eiste eyxaristhmenos apo ton syntonismo twn armodiwn yphresiwn kai ths kybernhshs kai me liga logia, me leptomereies mas eipate pws h kybernhsh ekane to kaqhkon ths. Shmera, me ta nea dedomena, ta opoia exete ypoch sas fantazomai, me th syllhch toy pilotoy toy pyrosbestikoy aeroskafoys, alla kai me thn energeia toy dasarxeioy to opoio stamathse toys Kyprioys ylotomoys, an den kanw laqos, poy anoigan antipyrikes zwnes, ejakoloyqeite na pisteyete oti o syntonismos htan kalos;

ANTWNAROS: Jerete, mikra peristatika, poly mikrhs diarkeias den mporoyn na allajoyn th genikh eikona. Qa anaferqw omws kai sta dyo peristatika poy qijate.

Prwton: Opws gnwrizete, stis eisodoys ths xwras einai katagegrammena diafora atoma, sta opoia apagoreyetai h eisodos sth xwra h prepei na syllhfqoyn an prospaqhsoyn na eiselqoyn sth xwra. Synhqws den anaferetai oyte to adikhma oyte to megeqos ths poinhs h toy prostimoy to opoio prepei na katabaloyn. Ayto, loipon, einai mia aytomatopoihmenh diadikasia poy ginetai stis eisodoys ths xwras. Doqhke lysh se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma kai den yparxei kaneis logos ena tetoio ashmanto kai periqwriako peristatiko na anagetai se dhqen elleich syntonismoy.

O syntonismos einai h koinh prospaqeia h opoia ginetai, prokeimenoy na sbhsoyn oi pyrkagies, oso to dynaton pio grhgora ginetai, stis kairikes, tis edafologikes kai alles synqhkes poy epikratoyn. Kai bebaiws na perioristei h zhmia kai na mhn exoyme -opws sas eipa apo thn arxh- anqrwpina qymata. Ayth htan h prwth mas proteraiothta kai einai panta h prwth mas proteraiothta. Den prospaqw se kamia periptwsh na meiwsw th zhmia poy egine kai se idiwtikes perioysies, kyriws omws sto fysiko periballon. To exw pei kai alles fores: Kaqe dentro poy kaigetai einai mia megalh apwleia. Kaqe dentro poy kaigetai afairei enan mikro pneymona ojygonoy apo to periballon. Gi` ayto akribws, emeis eimaste apolyta synepeis sth grammh poy exoyme xarajei: To dasos qa janaginei dasos. Kai qa katabaloyme kaqe prospaqeia ayto na ginei to taxytero dynaton.

Erxomai sto qema twn ylotomwn, giati den to jexasa. Shmasia exei -exw kai mia dieykrinish toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs- oti oi ylotomoi meta apo kapoia dieykrinish h opoia doqhke, synexisan na kanoyn th doyleia toys kanonika. Gi` ayto allwste toys metaferame me aeroskafos ths Polemikhs Aeroporias apo th Boreio Ellada, prokeimenoy na kanoyn to sygkekrimeno ergo. Kapoios, profanws, topikos paragontas ekei, den hjere, den katalabe, den antelhfqh ti ekanan. Ayto jeperasthke kai h oysia einai oti ekanan ayto gia to opoio eixan erqei.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h politikh kalych poy dinei h kybernhsh stoys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, ton k. Paylopoylo kai ton k. Markogiannakh gia ton xeirismo ths ypoqeshs ths katasbeshs twn pyrkagiwn, den prokalei antidraseis mono sthn antipoliteysh. Blepoyme oti kai ``galazia'' stelexh oysiastika katakrinoyn thn kybernhsh, miloyn gia eyqynes kai zhtoyn na pesoyn kai kefalia. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio se tetoies genikes topoqethseis, tis opoies kanete. Xqes, me sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia sas pareqesa gia thn paroysia twn pyrosbestikwn dynamewn sthn prwth pyrkagia sto Grammatiko, me sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys toys opoioys edwsa -kai eyxaristws, ean qelete, na sas toys epanalabw- apodeiknyetai oti to Pyrosbestiko Swma, to opoio exei thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh gia thn katasbesh twn pyrkagiwn, htan ekei paron kai ekane th doyleia toy. Mhn eytelizoyme thn poly dyskolh doyleia poy kanoyn oi Ellhnes pyrosbestes. Einai dyskolh doyleia me polloys kindynoys, se antijoes synqhkes, se periballon sto opoio kaneis apo emas den qelei na breqei. Kai thn kanoyn me oles toys tis dynameis kai bebaiws me tis eidikes gnwseis poy exoyn kai thn peira poy exoyn apokthsei ola ayta ta xronia, poy o kaqenas apo aytoys yphretei sto Swma.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ap` o,ti katalaba, orisate ws swsto syntonismo to triptyxo na sbhsoyn oi pyrkagies amesa, na mhn yparxoyn anqrwpina qymata kai na perioristoyn oi zhmies. Kala katalaba; Einai swsta mexri edw;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Otan jekinaei mia pyrkagia ekeino to opoio qeleis einai na sbhsei h pyrkagia. Na mhn ejaplwqei h pyrkagia, na th sbhseis me osa mesa diaqeteis. To deytero, alla qa elega kai prwteyon, einai na mhn yparjoyn anqrwpina qymata, na prostateyqoyn oi anqrwpines zwes -ayto paei xeri-xeri to ena me to allo- kai bebaiws na perioristoyn oi zhmies se perioysies kai sto fysiko periballon.

GKATSIOS: Me bash, loipon, ta stoixeia poy exete mexri twra sth diaqesh sas, o syntonismos htan kalos stis pyrkagies ths boreioanatolikhs Attikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh -kai ayto einai to aytonohto, symbainei se oles tis xwres toy kosmoy- thn exoyn oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn thn entolh na sbhnoyn tis pyrkagies. Den qa mpw se epixeirhsiaka qemata.

GKATSIOS: Qa epanelqw: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ton tropo poy leitoyrghsan oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi einai entetalmenoi apo thn Politeia na sbhnoyn tis pyrkagies kai oi proistamenoi aytwn;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh, alla epeidh anaferate treis stoxoys klimakwta, apo toys dyo...

ANTWNAROS: Den to kanw klimakwta. Einai parallhloi oi stoxoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws, wraia. Parallhloi oi stoxoi. Na meinoyme se ayto, na to dexqoyme kai na pw oti me ejairesh ton stoxo na mhn yparjoyn anqrwpina qymata eytyxws, oi ypoloipoi den epeteyxqhsan. Kai kahkan peripoy 215.000 stremmata dasoys kai parallhla, se o,ti afora ton prwto stoxo -den qymamai poios htan- nomizw oti den kataferate...

ANTWNAROS: Pws jerete oti den epeteyxqh enas stoxos ton opoio den qymaste;

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh, den kataferate na sbhsete egkaira tis fwties ws kybernhsh, ws kratikos mhxanismos.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto k. Palaiologe.

PALAIOLOGOS: O prwtos stoxos den eipate oti htan na sbhstoyn oi fwties;

ANTWNAROS: To taxytero dynato, lambanomenoy ypoch mas...

PALAIOLOGOS: Treis meres den einai to ``taxytero dynaton'', kyrie Ekproswpe, pros Qeoy!

ANTWNAROS: Koitajte, den qa antidikhsw mazi sas, stis ektimhseis tis opoies kanete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, oyte egw antidikw.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete, loipon, thn erwthsh sas gia na sas apanthsw, afoy qymhqeite kai toys treis stoxoys toys opoioys eqesa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Toys qymhqhka. Den sbhsate egkairws tis fwties. Xreiasthkan tria eikositetrawra. Kataferate toylaxiston, eytyxws lew, na mhn yparjoyn anqrwpina qymata kai bebaiws to trito, den kataferate telika ap` o,ti fainetai na exete kalo syntonismo.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h ektimhsh sas. Thn erwthsh akomh den katalabainw.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh einai, poy apodidete to gegonos oti yphrje tetoia katastrofh, kyrie Ekproswpe. Me olo to qarros, den qelw na epanelqw se zhthmata poy eteqhsan xqes, alla sas lew kai pali: Twra poy exete mia genikoterh eikona gi` ayth thn katastrofh, giati nomizw oti einai anypologisth h katastrofh, ti eftaije telika; Ti phge straba;

ANTWNAROS: Egw, sas eipa, oti den meiwnw pote th barythta mias fysikhs katastrofhs. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti ena katestrammeno dentro einai enas xamenos pneymonas ojygonoy gia th xwra mas. Ean omws kapoios nomisei oti me mia aytomath kinhsh, mia pyrkagia me poly eidikes kairikes synqhkes, me th morfologia enos edafoys poy exei eidika xarakthristika, me thn taxythta me thn opoia diadidotan, mporei na sbhsei apo th mia stigmh sthn allh, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti egw ws mh eidikos -kai qa perimena kai apo esas to idio, dioti fantazomai oti kai eseis eiste mh eidikos- den mporw na ekfrasw tetoia ajiologhsh kai tetoia krish. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oi apoceis eidikwn me barynoysa gnwmh kai oxi kapoiwn politikologoyntwn poy lene oti oi pyrosbestikes dynameis, oi dynameis toy stratoy poy syneprajan apofasistika, oi eqelontes, giati etsi symbainei panta se oles tis pyrkagies se olo ton kosmo, ekanan me aytoqysia th doyleia toys. Kai menw se ayto.

TSIKRIKA: Exete kapoio neotero sxetika me tis apozhmiwseis kai an exei yparjei kapoia epikoinwnia me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, kyrie Ekproswpe, gia to qema twn apozhmiwsewn spitiwn kai fysikoy kai zwikoy kefalaioy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn apokatastash zhmiwn qa enhmerwqeite meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na epanelqw sthn arxikh analytikh sas topoqethsh gia to rolo kai thn apotelesmatikothta ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias. Anaferqhkate kai sthn kaqhmerinh problech pyrkagias poy ekdidei h sygkekrimenh yphresia. Anarwtiemai omws giati to anaferete ayto. Qelw na pw einai sto plaisio ths kateyqynshs toy oti h sygkekrimenh yphresia sthn paroysa synqhkh edrase apotelesmatika; Prolabe kati;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka genikotera sto rolo ths yphresias ths Genikhs Grammateias Politikhs Prostasias. Einai mia yphresia h opoia leitoyrgei gia sxetika mikro xroniko diasthma sth xwra mas. Den exei ekeinh th megalh paradosh poy exei se alles xwres, opws fer` eipein sth geitonikh mas Italia. Kai to anefera gia na anadeijw merikes apo tis draseis, gia kanenan allo logo, poy exei h Politikh Prostasia kai oi opoies einai polles. Endeiktika anefera orismenes apo aytes. Kai as mhn jexnaei kaneis kai th metafora anqrwpwn poy breqhkan se dyskoles stigmes tis teleytaies 72 wres.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti gia to qema twn apozhmiwsewn qa mas enhmerwsete meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Fantazomai omws oti einai aytonohto pws den prokeitai na paroyn draxmh osoi eixan ayqaireta ktismata se aytes tis perioxes.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to genikotero ayto qema poy anaferate, den exw na sas pw kati. O,ti exw na pw qa to pw meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

TSIKRIKA: Meta apo ayth th megalh katastrofh sthn Attikh, h kybernhsh skeftetai na epispeysei th dhmioyrgia toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den exw na pw kati neotero. H apotelesmatikothta, oytws h allws, twn drasewn ston tomea toy periballontos den ginetai me thn idrysh enos kainoyrioy Ypoyrgeioy. Oi draseis periballontos poy anaptyssontai mesa sto Ypoyrgeio toy opoioy proistatai o k. Giwrgos Soyflias einai sygkekrimenes, xeiropiastes, apotelesmatikes.

ROYMELIWTH: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Synhqws oi yphresies, opws h Pyrosbestikh, opws o stratos kai se alles xwres oi yphresies politikhs prostasias, afoy teleiwnei mia drash, kanoyn mia apotimhsh gia to poy edrasan swsta, poy ekanan laqh, poy eixan kena, wste na mporoyn epixeirhsiaka na diorqwsoyn kapoia pragmata. Afhnete ena keno sthn ektimhsh sas oti o syntonismos, h drash toys htan apotelesmatikes, apo thn arxh teleies, gia th syzhthsh h opoia epetai, poy qa ginei meta dhladh; Qa ginei ayth h syzhthsh meta;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw kati. Egw pote den xrhsimopoiw ton oro ``teleio''. Teleios den einai kaneis apo emas. Kamia drash den mporei na einai teleia. Opoy droyn kai synyparxoyn tosoi polloi anqrwpoi, opws einai h prospaqeia gia thn katasbesh mias megalhs pyrkagias -eixame kai alles dyo, mias poly megalhs kai allwn dyo shmantikwn pyrkagiwn sth xwra- den mporei na milhsei kaneis gia teleiothta. Einai fysiko -kai mh qewrhsete oti me ayto poy lew epekrina to syntonismo- oti den mporei na yparxei teleiothta, alla shmasia exei h drash na einai apotelesmatikh. Na einai oysiastikh, na ginetai kaqe fora ayto poy prepei na ginetai.

Giati edw, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, oti hrqan kai mas eipan kapoioi pws sthn prwth pyrkagia den yphrxan arketes dynameis kai mesa toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos. Xqes, sas edwsa toys sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys. Hrqan alloi kai eipan giati den petane ta aeroplana ekei, edw kai kapoy alloy. Ma, ta aeroplana -sas eipa monos moy xqes- gia polles wres den mporoysan na petajoyn, fer` eipein sto Porto Germeno, logw twn kakwn kairikwn synqhkwn. Poies einai oi kakes kairikes synqhkes; Oi anemoi, o aeras. Rwtane oloi giati den petane taytoxrona kai ta peripoy 20 aeroplana. Ma ta aeroplana kai ta elikoptera den petane ola mazi. Petoyn me ena kyklo, ton opoio kanoyn. Dioti diaforetika qa yphrxan poly megala xronika diasthmata, opws moy ejhgoyn oi epixeirhsiakoi paragontes, poy den qa petoyse kanena aeroplano. Dioti to aeroplano prepei na aposyrqei ligo, na paei na elegxqei gia poly mikro xroniko diasthma, na paei na fortwsei nero. Qa yphrxan, loipon, xronika kena sthn paroysia aeroplanwn kai pyrosbestikwn aeroskafwn. Exoyme synepws ena poly synqeto mwsaiko poy leitoyrgei se mia tetoia peristash, poy epimenw oti eseis kai egw, ws mh eidikoi, den diaqetoyme, oses pyrkagies kai an exoyme parakoloyqhsei, tis eidikes gnwseis gia na to krinoyme me eparkeia. Ennow me epaggelmatikh eparkeia.

ROYMELIWTH: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs. Oi eidikoi lene oti yparxei dasologio gia thn Attikh. Yparxoyn xartes dhladh, oi opoioi exoyn katagrafei, exoyn katagrafei oi gewrgikes perioxes, ta boskotopia, to dasos, oi opoioi den einai epikyrwmenoi. Kai epeidh bazoyn oloi qema kai to exoyme dei na symbainei, meta tis pyrkagies, panta kapoy yparxei mia domhsh, ejaireitai, kapoies perioxes meta apo xronia mpainoyn sto sxedio kai aytes nomimopoioyntai kai ola ayta. Oi xartes poy exoyn hdh syntaxqei kai den exoyn epikyrwqei, qa epikyrwqoyn etsi opws einai twra h qa yparjoyn ejaireseis; Giati stis anadaswseis panta yparxei ejairesh twn perioxwn poy einai gewrgikes h poy einai boskotopia. To lew giati efoson den einai epikyrwmenoi oi xartes, mporei aytes oi perioxes na megalwsoyn. Etsi exei ginei mexri shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei kai se prohgoymenh tetoia dysaresth peristash oti milwntas gi` ayth thn kybernhsh, th shmerinh kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh, den breqhke mia periptwsh, na erqei kapoios na mas pei oti ena kommati dasoys poy kahke egine oikopeda. Egw milaw, loipon, gia ta dash en prokeimenw. Kai lew oti opoy yphrxan dash, qa janaginoyn dash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh prohgoymenws anaferqhkate sto rolo twn pyrosbestikwn aeroskafwn kai sto syntonismo toys, epeidh kai xqes hsastan idiaitera analytikos ws pros to xrono, toys ariqmoys toy stoloy kai ta sxetika, mporeite na mas peite pote akribws petaje to prwto pyrosbestiko aeroplano to prwi toy Sabbatoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to qema na to ereynhsw kai na sas apanthsw. Alla, nomizw oti sas to edwsa hdh xqes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qelw na pw oti oi epikriseis poy ginontai, den jerw kata poso einai asfaleis h oxi, oso sthn krish aytwn poy ta ekfrazoyn, einai oti kaqysterhse na petajei to prwto pyrosbestiko aeroplano gia na sbhstei h fwtia, me apotelesma na epektaqei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai epanalambanw: Eyxaristws, na cajw na brw thn plhroforia kai na sas thn dwsw. Alla, as mhn kanoyn oloi oi politikologoyntes toys eidikoys, eite einai sto epipedo twn topikwn koinwniwn -poy asfalws oi perifereies toys kai oi perioxes toys ypesthsan blabh kai symponoyme kai emeis mazi toys- eite einai se ychlotero epipedo.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, stoys politikologoyntes, omws, yparxoyn stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos. Eseis zhthsate poly swsta na mhn eytelizoyme th doyleia twn pyrosbestwn. Omws, stelexh me tis dhlwseis toys eytelizoyn to ergo ths kybernhshs. O k. Cwmiadhs gia paradeigma, zhthse apo thn kybernhsh na bgei kai na pei syggnwmh ston kosmo, ston ellhniko lao kai malista proxwrhse parapera, eballe enantion toy k. Soyflia, eballe kai enantion sas, zhtwntas shmera to prwi apo radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai apo to ``Kanali 1'' toy Peiraia, thn antikatastash sas apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Prepei na to gnwrizete. Hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kanena sxolio. O kaqenas exei to dikaiwma sth gnwmh toy.

ROYMELIWTH: Exete mia prwth ektimhsh, mia prwth katagrafh twn zhmiwn kai den milaw mono gia ta spitia, mia prwth katagrafh toy ti afhse pisw ths ayth h pyrkagia, exete;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxoyn ayth th stigmh, opws sas eipa, sygkekrimena stoixeia. Kai qa hqela kai ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia, kaq` ola ajiopistoi dieqneis foreis dinoyn, na ta antimetwpizoyme me kapoia prosoxh. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti h katastrofh poy egine sto fysiko periballon einai megalh. Den yparxei proqesh wraiopoihshs. Antiqeta, malista. Leme thn pragmatikothta opws einai. Alla, epeidh polloi apo toys dieqneis organismoys kanoyn tis katagrafes toys apo aeros, me qermika systhmata kai diaforoys alloys tropoys, katagrafoyn tis perioxes aytes perimetrika. Kai ti qelw na pw m` ayto; Den katagrafetai polles fores to eswteriko mias perioxhs, ths opoias exoyn kaei dash sthn perimetro kai ta opoia sto eswteriko, polles fores, einai aqikta. To blepete, allwste, kai se fwtografies poy exoyn kai oi efhmerides shmera, h thleoptika kanalia poy exoyn eikones apo kapoy chla. Ekei yparxoyn perioxes poy ena trito exei kaei h dyo trita exoyn kaei kai to ena trito exei meinei aqikto, gia kapoio logo ton opoio egw, ws mh eidikos, den mporw na sas ejhghsw. Den to gnwrizw. Polles fores, h fwtia pernaei poly grhgora, moy lene, kai afhnei ena kommati aqikto.

Qa elega, loipon, ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia einai mia prwth matia apo ton aera, kalo einai na ta gnwrizoyme. Ta gnwrizoyme kai emeis, ta blepoyme, ta diabazoyme kai ta lambanoyme ypoch mas. Alla, den einai ayth h asfalhs katagrafh twn zhmiwn poy eginan, poy proklhqhkan sto fysiko periballon. Ayth qa ginei epitopoy, twra poy h katastash deixnei na omalopoieitai. Kai to lew pali me epifylajh, giati opws sas eipa kai xqes to prwi kai xqes to apogeyma, yparxei panta o kindynos anazwpyrwshs, otan exoyme mia toso megalh pyrkagia. Twra, loipon, ta synergeia einai ekei kai katagrafoyn kai poly syntoma qa exoyme apotelesma.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anaferqhkate ektenws kai analytika stis aities poy odhghsan na aporricoyme th bohqeia ek meroys ths Rwsias sth fash twn pyrkagiwn. Se o,ti afora ta Skopia, isxyoyn oi idioi akribws logoi;

ANTWNAROS: Eimaste eygnwmones se oles tis xwres poy me diaqesh symparastashs kai orejh prosforas, opws allwste kanoyme kai emeis se antistoixes peristaseis, qelhsan na einai konta mas kai apodexqhkame ayth th bohqeia. Gia ta rwsika aeroplana, ta opoia opws sas eipa oti einai poly prohgmenoy typoy, exw kanei, hdh apo xqes, anafores.

Gia to qema ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias, h prosfora efqase, opws sas eipa, se ena xroniko shmeio poy den yphrxe pleon logos na erqoyn, ap` oti me enhmerwsan. Qa htan asymbata me thn katastash h opoia epikratoyse. Gi` ayto, allwste kai epestrecan kai ta dyo ispanika aeroplana. Gnwrizete, allwste, kai ayto to lew me megalh lyph oti kai se alles xwres ths Mesogeioy einai akomh se ejelijh poly megales pyrkagies. Sthn Portogalia apeileitai mia megalh polh, se alles geitonikes xwres yphrxan megales katastrofes.

Dystyxws, oi xwres ths Mesogeioy antimetwpizoyn to problhma twn pyrkagiwn, logw twn eidikwn kairikwn synqhkwn. Kai h xwra mas kanei kai qa ejakoloyqhsei na kanei o,ti einai anqrwpinws aparaithto, prokeimenoy na meiwnoyme synexws ayton ton kindyno. To kanoyme me prolhptika metra gia thn proetoimasia toy xwroy poy apeileitai poly prin apo toys mhnes toy kalokairioy, dhladh, apo thn anoijh. To kanoyme me thn enisxysh toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos kai ta teleytaia xronia h shmerinh kybernhsh exei enisxysei shmantika to Pyrosbestiko Swma. Den lew oti den yparxoyn kenes organikes qeseis, alla yparxoyn sygkekrimena pragmata ta opoia exoyn ginei me thn proslhch epipleon pyrosbestwn sta plaisia twn dynatothtwn poy exei h oikonomia mas. To kanoyme, epishs, me to na diathroyme enan apo toys megalyteroys stoloys pyrosbestikwn aeroplanwn kai elikopterwn ston kosmo. To kanoyme giati oloi mas exoyme thn ypoxrewsh na fylame thn patrida mas me ton kalytero dynato tropo.

POLYMEROS: Eipate prin kai ap` o,ti katalabainw, ayto afora perissotero toys oikologoys oti opoy htan dasos qa janaginei dasos. Xaritologwntas to lew oti afora toys oikologoys, oloys mas afora. Ti mhnyma exei na dwsei h kybernhsh gia toys anqrwpoys poy exasan tis perioysies toys; Poio mhnyma stelnei stoys anqrwpoys ekeinoys poy kahkan oi perioysies toys. Den milaw mono gia ta spitia, milw kai gia tis ektaseis stis opoies doyleyan kai promhqeyan olh thn Attikh.

ANTWNAROS: Sympasxoyme mazi toys. Katalabainoyme ton pono toys. Qa toys symparastaqoyme me opoio tropo einai dynato na to kanoyme kai qa eimaste konta toys se o,ti mas xreiastoyn. Den einai qema kybernhshs ayto. Einai qema ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Steketai panta konta stoys anqrwpoys poy exoyn anagkh. Kai ayto to kanei me synepeia, me symponia kai me agaph. Giati etsi leitoyrgei h ellhnikh koinwnia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se aytoys poy exoyn ayqaireta profanws, toys symperilambanete pantws mesa.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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