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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-08-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 25 Aygoystoy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 220696929

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFRING 2 (250809)

O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Aygoystoy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhspera sas.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy synhlqe shmera stis 16:00, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh sto Megaro Majimoy. H Kybernhtikh Epitroph syzhthse leptomereiaka kai se baqos tis synepeies ths terastias oikologikhs katastrofhs, alla kai, opws einai fysiko, tis prwtoboylies ths Politeias gia thn apozhmiwsh twn plhgentwn se aytes tis perioxes kai thn apokatastash toy fysikoy ploytoy poy epaqe megales zhmies apo tis pyrkagies. Qa anaferqw se ligo, leptomereiaka, stis draseis poy apofasisthkan gia thn anakoyfish twn plhgentwn sympolitwn mas.

Prin apo ola omws, qa hqela na tonisw me idiaiterh emfash oti ekponeitai hdh eidiko sxedio gia thn anaplash toy periballontos, poy exei ypostei -opws molis sas eipa- terasties zhmies.

H qesh ths kybernhshs mas einai jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh. H anadaswsh, akoloyqwntas fysika tis odhgies twn eidikwn, ekeinwn poy gnwrizoyn pws prepei na ginei kati tetoio (opws egine bebaiws kai sthn periptwsh ths Parnhqas, alla kai stis perioxes ths Peloponnhsoy) qa proxwrhsei me gorga bhmata kai xwris xasimo xronoy.

To epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Opoy yphrxe dasos poy kahke qa janaginei dasos. Kamia ejairesh, kamia apoklish apo ayton ton kanona den einai anekth.

Syntonisths olwn twn drasewn gia thn apokatastash twn zhmiwn ston fysiko ployto ths xwras kai thn apozhmiwsh oswn eplhghsan apo tis pyrkagies, oristhke me apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs o Ypoyrgos Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgos Soyflias. Ypenqymizw oti ypo thn epopteia toy k. Soyflia htan poy proxwrhse grhgora kai apotelesmatika h anaplash ths Parnhqas. To idio grhgora, to idio apotelesmatika, me sxedio -opws sas eipa eisagwgika- kai xwris polyplokes grafeiokratikes diadikasies, dhladh me tis ligoteres dynates dioikhtikes prajeis, qa proxwrhsei h kataskeyh twn aparaithtwn antiplhmmyrikwn kai antidiabrwtikwn ergwn. Qa ginei dhladh, o,ti einai aparaithto, wste na apofeyxqoyn -molonoti briskomaste ligo prin thn arxh toy xeimwna- dysarestes synepeies apo to kacimo twn dendrwn kai twn daswn se aytes tis perioxes.

H efarmogh aytwn twn meqodwn sthn Parnhqa, prostateyse, opws gnwrizete, oysiastika, megales perioxes ths Attikhs apo tis plhmmyres poy thn talaipwroysan gia megalo diasthma kai taytoxrona ejasfalise thn anablasthsh ths perioxhs.

Epishs, programmatizontai antipyrikes zwnes, xarajh kai kataskeyh dasikwn dromwn gia thn kalyterh prostasia twn daswn, me emfash ston egkairo kaqarismo toys, kati poy se arketes periptwseis den ekanan aytoi poy eprepe na to eixan kanei to teleytaio diasthma. H perifereia ayth, kata to protypo ths Parnhqas, qa efodiastei kai me systhma egkairhs prognwshs estiwn fwtias, ena eidos apotelesmatikoy parathrhthrioy, alla kai epopteysh me doryforo gia thn prostasia twn anadaswtewn ektasewn. Aytos o doryforos qa exei dyo stoxoys: Prwton, na mhn mporei kaneis na exei thn eykairia na ktisei se aytes tis perioxes poy eplhghsan, kai deyteron, thn parakoloyqhsh ths eyryterhs perioxhs.

Parallhla, qa melethqei sto epomeno xroniko diasthma to poioi einai oi pio katallhloi tropoi gia na ejasfalistei h eidikh prostasia twn daswn kai twn dasikwn ektasewn.

Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Stoxos mas einai na epanelqei to periballon poy eplhgh sthn palia toy omorfia. H katastrofh einai megalh. Oi zhmies einai terasties, alla oloi mas, pisteyw oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyme th boylhsh kai thn apofasistikothta na janakanoyme aytes tis perioxes toso omorfes, oso htan prin apo tis pyrkagies.

Oson afora to qema twn apozhmiwsewn: Qa sas dwsw ta basika stoixeia, ayta poy endiaferoyn toys polites poy mas akoyn kai oi perissoteres leptomereies, oi eidikes apofaseis kai oi ejeidikeyseis qa ginoyn apo ta kaq` ylhn armodia Ypoyrgeia.

Oson afora ta oikhmata poy epaqan zhmies h katastrafhkan entelws. Qa efarmostei se genikes grammes to montelo ths Peloponnhsoy. Ti ennow me ayto: Gia anakataskeyes oikiwn poy katastrafhkan entelws, qa xrhmatodothqei apo to kratos h anegersh kainoyriwn katoikiwn gia epifaneies mexri 120 tetragwnika metra kai me kostos 750 eyrw ana tetragwniko metro. Gia episkeyes oikiwn poy ypesthsan zhmies qa doqoyn mexri 450 eyrw kata anwtato orio me tis idies proypoqeseis.

Jekaqarizw ena pragma prin moy teqei opoiadhpote erwthsh: Otan ena oikhma htan ayqaireto, o idiokthths toy den pairnei tipote.

Ypenqymizw oti exoyn arxisei hdh oi katagrafes apo ta synergeia toy YPEXWDE mazi me th Nomarxia. Opws mas enhmerwse o k. Soyflias kata th diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h doyleia proxwraei poly grhgora kai eimai bebaios oti sto ameso mellon qa exoyme kai sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia kai qa sas doqoyn.

Epishs, qa hqela na sas pw oti to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, opws mas enhmerwse o Ypoyrgos k. Baggelhs Meimarakhs, qa probei amesa sthn aerofwtografish twn perioxwn poy eplhghsan, wste na exoyme safh, akribh kai leptomereiakh apeikonish twn perioxwn poy exoyn ypostei tis zhmies.

Opws sas eipa kai sthn meshmbrinh enhmerwsh, aytos einai o pio akribhs tropos gia na jerei kapoios posa stremmata, poies akribws ektaseis exoyn plhgei. Alles meqodoi poy xrhsimopoioyntai apo megalh apostash, katagrafoyn aplws tis perimetroys kai den lambanoyn ypoch toys oti orismena arketa megala stoixeia entos ths perimetroy, polles fores, den exoyn plhgei.

Oson afora tis prwtoboylies poy analambanei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn: Dinetai ektakth epixorhghsh gia kalych ameswn anagkwn kai ergwn twn Organismwn Topikhs Aytodioikhshs ycoys 3.300.000 eyrw ws ejhs: Prwton, stis Nomarxies kai eidika sth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh Anatolikhs Attikhs 500.000 eyrw. Sto Nomarxiako Diamerisma Aqhnwn 250.000 eyrw. Stoys Dhmoys kai Koinothtes ths Anatolikhs Attikhs apo 150.000 eyrw stoys 15 topikoys OTA. Htoi: Stoys Dhmoys Dionysoy, Agioy Stefanoy, Maraqwna, Pallhnhs, Neas Makrhs, Geraka, Anoijhs kai Drosias kai stis Koinothtes Grammatikoy, Stamatas, Barnaba, Rodopolhs, Pikermioy, Kapandritioy kai Anqoysas. Apo to Diamerisma Aqhnwn pairnoyn apo 150.000 eyrw oi Dhmoi Pentelhs kai Neas Pentelhs. Ypenqymizetai ejalloy oti gia to 2009 stoys Dhmoys kai tis Koinothtes Anatolikhs Attikhs doqhkan gia pyroprostasia perissotera apo 1,8 ekatommyria eyrw. Sas ypenqymizw oti to 2003 h enisxysh ayth htan ena ekatommyrio eyrw, dhladh exoyme sxedon diplasiasmo toy posoy. Eidika de o Syndesmos Pentelikoy elabe gia pyroprostasia, epiprosqetws 600.000 eyrw.

Qa perasw se orismena eidikotera qemata. Opws mas enhmerwse o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Swthrhs Xatzhgakhs, poy htan parwn sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, proxwraei epishs kai h katagrafh twn zhmiwn sto fytiko kai zwiko ployto ths xwras. Gnwrizete allwste oti anaferomai kai stis alles perioxes poy eplhghsan apo tis pyrkagies. Ta klimakia toy ELGA poy einai epifortismena me ayth th doyleia, exoyn hdh metabei stis plhgeises apo tis pyrkagies perioxes, katagrafontas thn ektash twn zhmiwn se fytiko, zwiko kai pagio kefalaio. Opws mas enhmerwse o k. Xatzhgakhs, ayrio qa yparxei h prwth eikona gia thn ektash twn zhmiwn se oles tis pyroplhktes perioxes ths xwras.

Qa apozhmiwqoyn oloi, osoi ypesthsan zhmies apo tis pyrkagies stis perioxes aytes, eite stis kalliergeies toys, eite ean einai kthnotrofoi ston tomea drasthriothtas toys.

Ayth th stigmh den prokyptei, sas to lew enhmerwtika, apo ta prwta stoixeia poy exei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, oti yparxoyn zhmies, shmantikes zhmies se epixeirhseis sthn perioxh. Ean diapistwqei oti yparxoyn kapoies zhmies se epixeirhseis sthn perioxh, to armodio Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias qa probei se diafores eynoikes ryqmiseis, wste osoi exoyn tetoies epixeirhseis na mporesoyn na janastaqoyn sta podia toys kai na proxwrhsoyn kanonika thn epaggelmatikh toys zwh.

Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: To melhma mas einai diplo. Prwton, na ejasfalisoyme se ekeinoys poy exasan ta spitia toys, poy eixan spitia poy ypesthsan zhmies h eixan alla oikhmata poy ypesthsan zhmies (mia apoqhkh gia paradeigma) -opoy h enisxysh poy qa doqei, h apozhmiwsh, einai xamhloteroy ycoys, opws egine kai sthn Peloponnhso- na mporesoyn, loipon, aytoi oi anqrwpoi na apokatasthsoyn tis zhmies, na apokthsoyn jana to spiti toys, na mporesoyn na gyrisoyn ekei poy kanonika menoyn. Deyteron, na frontisoyme oloi mas me tis syntonismenes prospaqeies poy qa kanoyme, me to plhres ergo poy qa jediplwqei grhgora, na apokatasthsoyme thn oikologikh katastrofh h opoia egine, kai poy gia thn perioxh ths Attikhs einai megalh, to blepoyme oloi, den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi` ayto. Mas lypei oloys baqytata. Einai mia perioxh poy oloi mas edw gnwrizoyme poly kala, alla kai osoi den thn jeroyn, thn gnwrizoyn estw kai apo eikones. Me th bohqeia olwn kai tis prwtoboylies poy analambanoyme qa apokatasthsoyme thn omorfia poy eixe thn prohgoymenh hmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOTTARIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate gia antipyrikes zwnes, kaqarismoys daswn, xarajh dasikwn dromwn, systhma proeidopoihshs gia fwtia. Ayta den einai metra katopin eorths gia dash ta opoia qa ginoyn dash pleon meta apo 10  20 xronia; Kai qa hqela na moy peite an to 1,8 ekatommyria eyrw poy dwsate hdh gia pyroprostasia stoys Dhmoys, qa cajete na breite an telika phgan ayta ta xrhmata gia dasoprostasia.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn qa kanei thn ereyna kai toys elegxoys poy apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na diapistwsei an pragmatika ta xrhmata dapanhqhkan gia toys skopoys poy eixan doqei. Ayto, allwste, ginetai se taktika diasthmata apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, otan diapistwnetai oti orismenoi apo toys dikaioyxoys den kanoyn tetoia xrhsh twn xrhmatwn yfistantai tis synepeies.

Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, otan diapistwnetai oti yparxei kapoio elleimma ston tropo me ton opoio kaqarizontai ta dash, jexortariazontai ta dash, kobontai ta kladia sta dash, ayto den shmainei oti den prepei na kanoyme kati kalytero, kati perissotero gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ayta poy diapistwnoyme. Ta problhmata ayta yparxoyn, qa yparxoyn se orismenes periptwseis panta, qa yparxoyn merikes fores kapoies astoxies. Kanoyme panta prospaqeia gia to kalytero kai qa synexisoyme na to kanoyme.

TERZHS: Diapistwsa kapoio eidos aytokritikhs, oti den kaname kapoia pragmata sto parelqon, ta kanoyme twra...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto akribws. Kanete thn erwthsh kai qa sas apanthsw.

TERZHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw poioi einai aytoi, diabazw opws to eipate: ``Kataskeyh dasikwn dromwn kai kaqarismos daswn, kati poy se arketes periptwseis den ekanan osoi eprepe''. Kai mias kai mas mila o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, nomizw oti einai swsto na maqoyme poioi einai aytoi.

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto poioi exoyn tis armodiothtes.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dynaton, meta thn katastrofh toy Eqnikoy Drymoy ths Parnhqas kai o,ti zhsame to 2007, otan milate gia dianoijh dasikwn dromwn, zwnes pyroprostasias ktl, poy einai ta sxedon aytonohta gia thn prolhch twn pyrkagiwn, na milate aplws gia elleimmata kai astoxies poy qa beltiwqoyn sto mellon ktl;

ANTWNAROS: Panta ginetai prospaqeia na beltiwqoyn ta pragmata. Egw sas eipa to meshmeri -kai nomizw oti hsastan edw- oti pote kati den einai teleio. Mporei kapoios na prospaqei na fqasei sthn teleiothta -dyskola th ftanei- shmasia, omws, exei na diapistwneis poy yparxoyn elleiceis, oi opoies den einai pantote ths kentrikhs kybernhshs. Ayto qelw na to jekaqarisw. Dioti, kapoioi ola ta anagoyn se eyqynes ths kentrikhs kybernhshs. Otan h kentrikh kybernhsh diapistwsei oti exoyn yparjei astoxies h elleiceis me eyqynh allwn, tote merimna, wste ayta ta opoia den eginan apo ekeinoys poy exoyn thn eyqynh, na ginoyn. Ayto sas eipa twra.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diorqwste me an kanw laqos, alla exw thn aisqhsh oti den anaferqhke h phgh, apo poy qa breqoyn oi ektaktes apozhmiwseis gia toys plhgentes.

ANTWNAROS: Apo ton Kratiko Proypologismo. Emaqa oti egine kapoia erwthsh sxetika me to Tameio Ektakths Bohqeias toy opoioy proistatai o prwhn Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Petros Molybiaths. O k. Molybiaths htan pragmati parwn sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai prosefere tis eidikes gnwseis kai thn empeiria thn opoia exei. Alla, ta xrhmata qa proelqoyn apo ton Kratiko Proypologismo.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Proedros toy PASOK, prin apo ligo, katalogise eyqynes eyqews sthn kybernhsh, enw kai o ekproswpos Typoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ekane logo gia katastrofikh kai epikindynh kybernhsh poy prepei na fygei. Ti apantate; Kai exw kai ena allo erwthma meta.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ejairetika epikindynh gia ton topo h aneyqynothta toy PASOK. Ametroepeia, kindynologia, laikismos, ena ekrhktiko triptyxo. Ena aparadekto kokteil. 48 wres krathse o qeatrinistikos aytoelegxos twn ypeyqynwn toy PASOK. O pragmatikos toys eaytos toys prodidei.

ARMENHS: Na kanw th deyterh erwthsh. Eipate oti den qa paroyn tipote osoi eixan ayqaireta ktismata.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

ARMENHS: Fantazomai oti qa katedafistoyn ayta ta ktismata.

ANTWNAROS: Qa akoloyqhqoyn oles oi diadikasies poy problepontai apo thn ellhnikh nomoqesia. Prokeimenoy kapoios na parei tis enisxyseis, ta bohqhmata ta opoia problepontai apo aytes tis ryqmiseis kai qa perilhfqoyn stis sxetikes apofaseis, prepei na proskomisei ola ta dikaiologhtika apo ta opoia fainetai oti to oikhma to opoio eite ypesth zhmies, eite exei katastrafei, einai nomimo. Dhladh, thn adeia kataskeyhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw, to kondyli ths ektakths epixorhghshs gia thn kalych twn ameswn anagkwn poy qa eggrafei;

ANTWNAROS: Molis to apanthsa. Ston Kratiko Proypologismo.

MELIGKWNHS: Opote, gia na kathgoreite to PASOK gia 48wro qeatrinistiko aytoelegxo, profanws h kybernhsh den anagnwrizei oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes. Etsi;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema, to eipa.

PAPADAKHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, na epanelqw, se aytoys poy eprepe na kanoyn th doyleia toys to teleytaio diasthma kai den thn ekanan. Exoyn doqei kapoia xrhmata, kapoia ekatommyria eyrw kai fantazomai oti anafereste se dhmoys, se koinothtes kai se oloys aytoys oi opoioi qa eprepe na exoyn kaqarisei kai na exoyn anoijei dromoys gia na bohqhsoyn se opoiadhpote ektakth katastash. Qa hqela prwta na sas rwthsw, ean eixe ginei kapoios elegxos ek twn proterwn kai an diapistwqei ek twn ysterwn oti ontws aytoi den eixan kanei swsta th doyleia toys, poies qa einai oi synepeies toys;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, to eipa kai prohgoymenws allwste, oi elegxoi aytoi ginontai se taktika xronika diasthmata apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, poy exei thn armodiothta. Kai oi synepeies poy exoyn aytoi poy den diaqetoyn ta xrhmata poy toys exoyn doqei gia sygkekrimenoys skopoys, problepontai kai aytes apo tis keimenes diatajeis. Gi` ayto na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

XATZHDAMIANOS: Sto idio mhkos kymatos kai sto idio plaisio h erwthsh. Efoson, loipon, exete hdh jekinhsei to sxediasmo gia thn epomenh hmera, yparxei kapoia enhmerwsh, prwtoboylia h skech gyrw apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, wste na proxwrhsei se nomoqetikh ryqmish gia thn allhlokalych twn eyqynwn poy gia mia akomh fora blepoyme oti einai meizon zhthma gia thn antimetwpish paromoiwn peristatikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Emas, ekeino poy mas endiaferei, ayth th stigmh -kai sas to eipa prohgoymenws- einai na apokatasthsoyme tis zhmies, toso sta ylika agaqa poy eplhghsan, oso kai sto fysiko ployto ths xwras mas. Gi` ayto kai kanoyme shmera aytes tis anakoinwseis. Einai oi anakoinwseis poy orizoyn to plaisio mesa sto opoio qa kinhqoyme. Ola ta alla, einai kati gia to opoio mporei na ginei syzhthsh se prosexes stadio.

BAGIANOS: H kybernhsh shmera syzhthse isws to qema h skeftetai meta apo ayta poy synebhsan gia th dhmioyrgia aytonomoy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka gi` ayto to meshmeri. Isxyei o,ti eipa to meshmeri.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, krinontas ek toy apotelesmatos, fanhke oti oi elegxoi aytoi poy kanei to armodio Ypoyrgeio, den einai apotelesmatikoi. Giati gia na kaoyn toses ektaseis sth Boreioanatolikh Attikh, kati den phge kala me toys elegxoys. Na ypoqesw oti qa kinhqeite kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, sthn enisxysh twn elegxwn, sth dhmioyrgia mias neas epitrophs;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn yperaploysteyoyme ta pragmata. Egw, se kamia periptwsh, den eipa -kai qa hqela parakalw na mhn moy apodoqei kati tetoio- oti oi pyrkagies toy perasmenoy Sabbatokyriakoy ofeilontai se ayto to logo. Egw, ekeino to opoio eipa, einai oti otan me rwthsate giati anaferoyme aytes tis prwtoboylies eipa: Pairnoyme aytes tis prwtoboylies, dioti diapistwsame oti ekei yparxoyn orismenes elleiceis kapoiwn forewn oi opoioi eprepe na exoyn kanei diafora pragmata kai den ta ekanan.

GKATSIOS: Den einai epipleon epibaryntikos paragontas...

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn polloi epibaryntikoi paragontes gia tis pyrkagies twn teleytaiwn triwn, tessarwn hmerwn. Alla oi sygkekrimenes pyrkagies -sas to exw pei kai alles fores- ofeilontai se diaforoys paragontes. H ektash toys, h taxeia ejaplwsh toys ofeiletai stis eidikes kairikes synqhkes poy epikrathsan to perasmeno Sabbatokyriako, stoys poly grhgoroys anemoys, sth synexh allagh ths kateyqynshs twn anemwn. Kai ola ayta ejetazontai. Ena-ena ap` ta qemata ta opoia mporei na proseggisei kapoios -giati, opws antilambaneste, den mporei na proseggisei kapoios tis eidikes kairikes synqhkes- ekei prepei na eisai panetoimos na kaneis o,ti mporeis gia na lyseis to problhma, na antimetwpiseis to problhma otan ekdhlwqei. Kai lew gia mia akomh fora: Prwton, sthn Ellada diaqetoyme enan apo toys megalyteroys kai pio apotelesmatikoys stoloys aeroplanwn kai elikopterwn pyrosbeshs. Deyteron: Exoyme enan megalo ariqmo empeirwn pyrosbestwn, o opoios enisxyqhke fetos shmantika mesa stis dynatothtes poy exei h oikonomia mas.

Ta xrhmata ayta dinontai gia thn pyrosbesh. Kai ekei perimenoyme ws Politeia kai prepei na perimenoyme oloi mas -kai eseis mazi kai eimai bebaios oti to kanete- na diatiqentai gia to stoxo, gia to skopo gia ton opoio ta ektamieyei o ellhnikos laos -einai xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy- kai oxi na phgainoyn alloy. Ola ayta loipon, einai stoixeia ta opoia prepei na synypologisei kapoios kai gi` ayto akribws ta anaferw.

ZORMPA: Ep` aytoy. Epeidh, opws jekaqarisate, mporei na mhn einai o monadikos paragontas h kakodiaxeirhsh, h h oligwria apo orismenoys tomeis ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs twn kondyliwn poy doqhkan apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, parola ayta to balate safws to kadro twn eyqynwn, tis oligwries aytes. Anarwtiemai an shmera mhpws sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, to armodio Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, komise kapoia stoixeia poy apodeiknyoyn oti egine kakodiaxeirish aytwn twn porwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den egine syzhthsh ep` aytoy analytika. Sas eipa, omws, oti to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn se ayto ton tomea ektelei thn apostolh thn opoia exei, oxi mono na dinei ta xrhmata, opws exei ypoxrewsh, alla kai na elegxei poy phgainoyn ta xrhmata. Kai otan diapistwsei oti kapoia xrhmata, den exoyn diateqei gia toys skopoys poy exoyn doqei, afairoyntai fer` eipein apo thn epomenh xrhsh. Sas lew oti gi` ayth th sygkekrimenh leptomereia qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. Alla einai mono mia parametros toy qematos.

TERZHS: Epeidh Kyrie Ekproswpe, h k. Zormpa milhse gia to kadro twn eyqynwn kai me dedomeno oti, opws eipate, h antidrash htan amesh, o syntonismos htan kalos, qelete na moy peite sto kadro twn eyqynwn, epeidh anafereste se mia parametro, oles oi alles einai tyxaies; Sto kadro twn eyqynwn yparxoyn mono kapoioi OTA, oi opoioi den dieqesan opws eprepe, ws ofeilan ta xrhmata gia antipyrikes zwnes kai gia kaqarismo twn daswn;

ANTWNAROS: Moy einai poly dysaresto ayto poy qa pw. Ejakoloyqeite na apomonwnete kati to opoio eipa. Kai sas anefera oti einai ena apo ta polla, den einai mono ayto.

TERZHS: Me sygxwreite, ayto akribws sas rwthsa. Poia einai ta ypoloipa.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn polloi paragontes, oi opoioi otan sympesoyn, dhmioyrgoyn ena poly dysaresto apotelesma. To na anaferomai se enan apo aytoys, de shmainei oti aytos einai o kentrikos.

TERZHS: Qa qelate na me bohqhsete, epeidh egw den qelw na dexqw thn apanthsh sas, poio einai to kentriko; Giati, an to kentriko einai...

ANTWNAROS: O kentrikos einai oi idiaiteres kairikes synqhkes poy epikrathsan to sygkekrimeno Sabbatokyriako.

TERZHS: Ara, symfwneite sthn parathrhsh moy. H parathrhsh moy, an diabasete kai to briefing einai oti epeidh oloi oi alloi paragontes einai tyxaioi, ton kairo, profanws kaneis den mporei na sas kathgorhsei gia ton kairo kai me dedomeno oti exete dhlwsei oti h antidrash toy kratikoy mhxanismoy kai o syntonismos toy htan kalos, ara eyqynes ayth th stigmh entopizontai mono sto epipedo twn OTA. Ayto eipa.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, egw den lew ayto. Ekeino to opoio sas lew, einai oti yparxoyn orismenoi epibaryntikoi paragontes, metajy twn opoiwn, einai kai aytos ton opoio lete eseis. Einai kai alloi epibaryntikoi paragontes, diaforoi, toys opoioys exw anaferei tis teleytaies hmeres. Egw den qa kanw, omws, ayth th stigmh periptwsiologia, dioti oyte eseis oyte egw eimaste eidikoi gia na kanoyme analyseis, sxetika me to giati kai pws ejaplwnetai kai diadidetai mia fwtia. Egw toylaxiston den prokeitai na to kanw ayto, se kamia periptwsh. Ean eseis qelete na to kanete, einai dikaiwma sas, kaqola sebasto, alla den einai kati poy nomizw oti qa brei th symfwnh gnwmh twn eidikwn. Yparxoyn eidikoi poy einai se qesh na to kanoyn.

TASOYLH: Epeidh eipate oti qa parete metra antistoixa me ekeina poy elhfqhsan gia toys plhgentes ths Peloponnhsoy, hqela na rwthsw, giati den dinete 3000 eyrw efapaj, opws eixate kanei to 2007;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti, oi synqhkes, alla kai h synqesh twn plhgentwn einai diaforetikes.

ZORMPA: Ep` aytoy, otan lete h synqesh twn plhgentwn, ti akribws ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ennow oti blepontas kapoios ti anagkes eixan oi polloi poy eplhghsan stis pyrkagies ths Peloponnhsoy, prin apo dyo xronia, parathrei oti einai diaforetikes apo tis anagkes poy yparxoyn twra. Ayth einai h dikh mas ektimhsh.

BAGIANOS: Egine, dhladh, antistoixos elegxos gia to an yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy exoyn anagkh amesoy bohqhmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Gia osoys exoyn anagkh amesoy bohqhmatos, yparxoyn oi katallhloi foreis ths Politeias, oi opoioi qa speysoyn na toys bohqhsoyn. Speydoyn hdh kai toys bohqoyn. Osoi exoyn anagkh mias steghs, toys didetai h stegh apo yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, alla kai apo alles yphresies. Osoi exoyn anagkh sitishs, toys parexetai h sitish. Alla, antiqeta me o,ti synebaine sthn Peloponnhso, o ariqmos aytos deixnei na einai poly mikros. Kai eipa kai to meshmeri oti h Politeia einai paroysa, opote kai se opoioys xreiastei, qa speysei na einai konta toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: An kai kataxrwmai to xrono kai to diko sas kai twn allwn...

ANTWNAROS: Gia sas eimai edw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Giati den eiste toso gennaiodwroi s` ayth th xronikh periodo gia toys plhgentes ths Anatolikhs Attikhs, enw hsastan idiaitera gennaiodwroi kai aploxeroi gia toys plhgentes ths Hleias;

ANTWNAROS: Molis to ejhghsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den moy ejhghsate. Egw nomizw oti ap` thn apanthsh eipate gia synqesh twn plhgentwn klp. Lew to ejhs: Egw anarwtiemai, lete edw, oti ``diaforetikh synqesh, diaforetikes synqhkes''. Den yparxoyn plhgentes; Endexomenws, den yparxoyn astegoi; Toys exete metrhsei; Ayto qelw na pw. Exete metrhsei aytoys poy exoyn meinei astegoi h aytoys poy exoyn ypostei sobares zhmies sta spitia toys;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ginei oi prwtes metrhseis. Otan yparxoyn stoixeia qa ta maqate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, exete safh ariqmo, dhladh, ap` o,ti katalabainw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Exoyn ginei oi prwtes metrhseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia, moy apantate gia poio logo den mporeite na dwsete gia paradeigma mia amesh ektakth oikonomikh enisxysh, opws eixate dwsei tote sthn Hleia, h na dhmioyrghqei ejisoy ena Tameio, opws dhmioyrghqhke tote sthn Hleia ypo ton k. Molybiath;

ANTWNAROS: Edwsa apanthsh, molis prohgoymenws.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, panw se ayto. Otan qa exete plhrh eikona, yparxei to endexomeno na probeite kai se nees symplhrwmatikes anakoinwseis, sxetika me tis apozhmiwseis h th bohqeia...

ANTWNAROS: To plaisio oswn eipa, nomizw oti einai arketo. Eipa kai to meshmeri oti h ellhnikh Politeia symparistatai panta se osoys exoyn anagkh, oso kai an orismenoi den qeloyn na to paradexqoyn. Einai h domh ths koinwnias mas tetoia, poy den epitrepei kamia allh symperifora. Kai osoi exoyn thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras, ekeinoi stoys opoioys exei anaqesei o ellhnikos laos th diakybernhsh ths xwras, sebontai aytes tis arxes. Kai emeis eimaste apo aytoys poy tis sebomaste aytes tis arxes.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy ws twra anaferqhkate sthn endexomenh oligwria twn OTA gia thn opoia qa ereynhsei to Ypoyrgeio...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa kati tetoio opws ayto poy lete.

MELIGKWNHS: Wraia, ws twra, exete afhsei anoixto to endexomeno kapoia xrhmata, ta opoia doqhkan stoys OTA gia pyroprostasia na mhn exoyn paei ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Kai o elegxos ginetai, opws ginetai synhqws.

MELIGKWNHS: Wraia. Ektos, loipon, apo ayton ton elegxo poy qa kanete kai endexomenws na prokycoyn kapoies eyqynes kai apo toys anemoys oi opoioi allazoyn kateyqynsh, den exete milhsei gia kapoies eyqynes ths kybernhshs. Qelw na sas rwthsw ean epimenete sthn arxikh sas dhlwsh, oti o syntonismos ths kratikhs mhxanhs htan apo thn arxh kala organwmenos.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to exw hdh pei kai den exw na allajw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: H aporia moy synistatai sto ejhs: Den aisqanqhke o Prwqypoyrgos thn anagkh na apeyqynqei stoys plhgentes shmera;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos apo thn prwth stigmh htan parwn, enhmerwnotan synexeia, parakoloyqei ti ginetai, syntonizei tis energeies se politiko epipedo -gia na mhn parejhghqw- kai exei apeyqynqei stoys polites, arketes fores. Oi dhmosies dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oles aytes tis hmeres, stoys polites apeyqynontai. Den apeyqynontai mono se esas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw lew se sxesh me thn apokatastash twn zhmiwn kai thn apozhmiwsh toys.(Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh apeyqynontai stoys polites dia toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

PAPADAKHS: Ti qa ginei me to XYTA toy Grammatikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Synexizoyme me to sxedio ths dhmioyrgias, me thn apofash ths dhmioyrgias toy XYTA sto Grammatiko. Anadaswnetai o,ti htan dasos kai dasikh ektash. Omws, h perioxh toy sygkekrimenoy XYTA me apofash toy Symboylioy Epikrateias, eidika gi` ayto to qema, den einai oyte dasos, oyte dasikh ektash.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo brady.


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