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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-11-24

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 24 Noembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 236963932

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 24 Noembrioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera sas.

H kybernhsh toy PASOK phre thn entolh apo ton ellhniko lao na allajei th xwra. Anoigoyme, loipon, ola ta metwpa, se ola ta problhmata poy aforoyn toys polites. Leme thn alhqeia xwris na kryboyme tipota. Antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata ayta ws proklhsh kai gi` ayto akribws kai ta dhmosiopoioyme. H kybernhsh ergazetai, ergazetai me aysthro plaisio tis proeklogikes ths desmeyseis. Kai me ayto to aysthro plaisio, kaloyme kai se dialogo -etsi opws exei ekfrastei tis prohgoymenes hmeres- ola ta kommata, toys foreis, toys polites, etsi wste na symballoyn me tis apoceis kai tis protaseis toys sthn epilysh aytwn twn megalwn problhmatwn. Kamia kybernhsh mesa se toses liges hmeres den edeije tis stoxeyseis ths kai den phre toso shmantikes apofaseis. O gnwmonas mas einai na sthrijoyme toys adynamoys, na anaqermanoyme thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Gi` ayto akribws exoyme parei sygkekrimena metra, ta opoia efarmozoyme.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs, prwton, gia thn antidrash toy P.A.M.E. sto na mhn jekinhsei o dialogos gia to Asfalistiko kai deyteron, se osa eipe o k. Mpampiniwths, na mh synexistei o dialogos gia thn Paideia;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora sto prwto skelos ths erwthsh sas: Xqes o armodios Ypoyrgos Ergasias k. Loberdos ekane sxetikh dhlwsh. Emeis eimaste apofasismenoi na proxwrhsoyme se ayto to dialogo. Qeloyme na allajoyn ta pragmata. Eimaste antiqetoi sth stasimothta h opoia yparxei. Mia stasimothta, h opoia einai akribws antiqeth me th biwsimothta toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, me th biwsimothta toy tropoy aponomhs twn syntajewn, me to na dinontai syntajeis stoys aploys asfalismenoys. Emeis desmeythkame kai desmeythke xqes kai o armodios Ypoyrgos -htan kai proeklogikh mas desmeysh- oti den qa metaferoyme ta barh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos stis plates twn aplwn asfalismenwn. Kai olh ayth h kindynologia h opoia diakineitai, den exei antikrisma alhqeias.

PETOYRH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, sxetika me th bash toy ``10'', telikws ti isxyei kai an yparxei palinwdia ths kybernhshs gyrw apo to qema ayto. Exete katalhjei kapoy;

PETALWTHS: Yphrxe proeklogikh desmeysh kai o Proedros tote toy PASOK kai shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos exei ekfrastei sygkekrimena gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai prin apo tis ekloges. Yparxei dedomenh apofash, thn opoia ekfrazei h armodia Ypoyrgos. Kai ayto poy exw na pw gi` ayta poy akoyme kai diabazoyme, einai oti h kybernhsh -opws se ola ta qemata- threi aparegklita tis proeklogikes ths desmeyseis. O kaqe Ypoyrgos exei thn eyqynh toy Ypoyrgeioy toy kai gia th bash toy ``10'', exei ekfrastei h armodia Ypoyrgos.

KALOSTYPH: Sxetika me to qema toy P.A.M.E. qelw na epanelqw kyrie Ekproswpe: Poios einai o logos kai poia h emplokh toy Ypoyrgeioy sas sto oti ``kophke'' h eikona apo ton prophlakismo twn stelexwn sthn ADEDY, xqes; Dhladh, eidame mexri to meshmeri eikones oi opoies einai eikones ntrophs se sxesh me to dialogo kai meta ejafanisthkan aytes oi eikones kai miloysan aplws gia ena elafry epeisodio. Kata thn proswpikh moy apoch den htan kaqoloy elafry to gegonos oti sprwxthkan oi anqrwpoi poy briskontan ejw apo to Ypoyrgeio, apo to P.A.M.E., oi anqrwpoi ths ADEDY ennow. Yparxei kapoia emplokh toy Ypoyrgeioy... ;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia emplokh toy Ypoyrgeioy, den yparxei kamia grammh, kamia kateyqynsh. Ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, eisagwgika, to tonizw: Emeis leme thn alhqeia, den apokryptoyme tipote, kaloyme se dialogo, qeloyme na symmetexoyn oi foreis, oi polites, ta kommata. Sta plaisia ayta kinoymaste. Kai en pash periptwsei, yparxei kai h krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, sthn opoia eimaste oloi ypologoi.

MIXAHL: Sas teqhke h erwthsh sxetika me thn protroph toy k. Mpampiniwth, meta thn paradosh toy porismatos toy Symboylioy, na mh synexistei o dialogos peraiterw kai aplws na arxisei h ylopoihsh aytoy toy porismatos. H kybernhsh ti apantaei ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh, opws eipa prohgoymenws, anoigei ola ta metwpa. Jeroyme oti to qema ths Paideias einai ena qema kayto, ena qema sto opoio exei desmeytei to PASOK na kanei rhjeis kai tomes. Kai qa proxwrhsei, mesa apo sygkekrimenes diadikasies kai me syntomes apofaseis kai sto qema ths Paideias.

PAPPA: Einai eyxaristhmenh h kybernhsh apo to syntonismo sto eswteriko ths h mhpws oi prosfates tribes, opws aytes exoyn dhmosiopoihqei sto synolo toy Typoy, sas dhmioyrgoyn kai deyteres skeceis;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxoyn tribes sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs. Einai kathgorhmatikh h dhlwsh moy. Einai mia kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai. Epanalambanw, oti ayta poy ekane ayth h kybernhsh toy PASOK, mesa stis liges hmeres diakybernhshs ths xwras, den exoyn ginei apo kamia kybernhsh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa to prwi sto radiofwno ton k. Naso Aleyra na leei oti qa prepei ta oria ths hlikias twn syntajiodotikwn na mpoyn sthn atzenta toy dialogoy, se antiqesh me osa exei yposthrijei o Ypoyrgos Ergasias. Prokeitai gia mia kryfh atzenta ths kybernhshs, h einai proswpikh toy apoch;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kryfh atzenta. Emeis anoigoyme ola ta qemata kai ta dhmosiopoioyme. Tis apofaseis tis pairnei o armodios Ypoyrgos.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, paroti eseis edw eipate oti den yparxoyn tribes sthn kybernhsh, h k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, shmera, me dhlwseis ths, milaei gia ta prwta shmadia aporryqmishs, telos pantwn, kai apodomhshs ths kybernhshs. Kai akomh askei kai kritikh ston k. Papandreoy gia ta syxna tajidia toy sto ejwteriko, epishmainontas oti thn wra poy paroysiazontai problhmata aposynqeshs ths kybernhshs, o k. Papandreoy brisketai ston Agio Domhniko.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti h Nea Dhmokratia protoy milhsei gia th shmerinh katastash, qa eprepe na skeftetai perissotero. Qa eprepe na zhthsei sygnwmh apo ton ellhniko lao gia th xawdh katastash poy klhrodothse sth shmerinh kybernhsh. Kai akribws aytes oi dhlwseis twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, deixnoyn thn amhxania toys sto na apanthsoyn sthn oysia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mhpws gnwrizete ena dialogo poy exei prohghqei gia to Asfalistiko, eite htan kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, eite me kybernhsh toy PASOK poy na katelhje me qetiko apologismo gia toys ergazomenoys;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos einai anoixtos. Sto dialogo ekfrazontai oles oi apoceis kai oi protaseis. Thn telikh apofash thn pairnei h ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Ayto, omws, poy eipa prohgoymenws, to epanalambanw: Emeis, ta barh den qa ta metaferoyme stoys asfalismenoys. Kai ayth einai dhlwsh kai desmeysh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, oi nomoi Soyflia, Sioyfa, Petralia ths Neas Dhmokratias kai Reppa, Papaiwannoy toy PASOK, ayjhsan, oloi anejairetws, kai ta oria syntajiodothshs kai meiwsan tis syntajeis. Jerete eseis kapoio dialogo poy na katelhje me kati diaforetiko; Kai gi` aytoys toys nomoys eixan prohghqei panta dialogoi.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti to na enoxopoioyme to dialogo gia ta apotelesmata mias politikhs, kaqe allo para bohqaei sth Dhmokratia. O dialogos einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias, einai ena aparaithto stadio, etsi wste na yparxoyn oi ypeyqynes apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Qewreite oti meta th dhlwsh kai ths k. Paparhga kai toy PAME, oti to KKE anoigei metwpo me to PASOK;

PETALWTHS: To kaqe komma exei th dikh toy taktikh, th dikh toy politikh. Egw, ayto poy lew einai oti o ellhnikos laos krinei. Kai en pash periptwsei, fainetai kai prokyptei poioi einai yper ths proodoy kai poioi einai yper ths stasimothtas.

POLYMEROS: Epi toytoy, omws: H k. Paparhga milhse gia sike paixnidi. Einai sike to paixnidi;

PETALWTHS: Ean qewreitai sike paixnidi o dialogos me oloys toys antiproswpeytikoys foreis, oi opoioi ekproswpoyn th syntriptikh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy, einai qema toy kaqenos to pws ekfrazetai kai bebaiws analambanei kai thn eyqynh aytwn poy leei.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, kat` arxhn an skefteste na allajete to kaqestws gia to FPA, ths apallaghs dhladh poy exoyn oi dikhgoroi, oi symbolaiografoi kai kapoies alles kathgories. Kai to deytero, na mas peite ti ebgale ayth h ereyna poy eixan kanei oi armodies yphresies sto Kolwnaki, me toys giatroys poy dhlwnan elaxista xrhmata.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Otan qa yparjei apofash, qa dhmosiopoihqei, me dedomeno bebaia oti yparxoyn kai proswpika dedomena kai stoixeia. Sigoyra, omws, qa doqei sth dhmosiothta to porisma ths ereynas ayths. Oson afora to prwto skelos: Qa jekinhsei mia syzhthsh kai enas dialogos, mia dhmosia diaboyleysh gia thn allagh toy forologikoy kaqestwtos. Kai mesa se ayto to plaisio, qa yparjoyn kai analoges apofaseis.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, telika alla lete sto eswteriko ths xwras kai alla ypografete sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh; Yioqeteite h oxi se ayto to ``dialogo'' tis protaseis poy exete ypogracei sto teleytaio Eurogroup gia ypologismo twn syntajewn me bash to synolo toy ergasimoy bioy; Yioqeteite h oxi thn katarghsh twn barewn kai anqygieinwn, th meiwsh twn ergodotikwn eisforwn, thn paratash toy ergasimoy bioy;

PETALWTHS: An ta yioqetoyme h oxi, qa fanei apo tis ypeyqynes apofaseis poy qa labei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei to diko ths rolo, dhmioyrgei ena plaisio. Tis apofaseis, omws, eidika se ayta ta zhthmata, tis pairnei h kaqe kybernhsh me tis eyqynes poy ths analogoyn.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa gyrisw pali sta xqesina epeisodia. H k. Paparhga dhlwse xqes oti ``qa exoyme polemo ston polemo''. Mhpws exei arxisei kapoios kainoyrgios emfylios sth xwra kai den to exoyme parei eidhsh;

PETALWTHS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti kaqenas analambanei tis eyqynes toy gia to ti leei kai ti prattei. Emeis, eimaste yper toy dialogoy. Osoi einai yper ths apagoreyshs toy dialogoy, prattoyn kai analogws.

MIXAHL: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxoyn tribes sthn kybernhsh. Omws, apo toys 88 Genikoys kai Eidikoys Grammateis, poy prokhryxqhkan oi qeseis, mexri stigmhs gyrw stoys 36 exoyn topoqethqei, 52 hmeres meta thn analhch twn kaqhkontwn sas.

PETALWTHS: Saranta, nomizw.

MIXAHL: Saranta. Deyteron: Armodiothtes stoys Yfypoyrgoys typika den exoyn doqei akoma. Ola ayta, einai pagkoinws gnwsto oti dhmioyrgoyn arryqmies. Dioti, pws qa ypogracei enas Yfypoyrgos kati, otan den exei kai typikh armodiothta gi` ayto; Einai h den einai ayto mia estia tribhs kai pote qa jekaqarisei;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw, kathgorhmatika, oti den yparxoyn tribes sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, h opoia ergazetai me mono gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. O orismos twn Genikwn Grammatewn einai ena zhthma to opoio exoyme syzhthsei kata koron. Epanalambanw oti einai mia kainotomos diadikasia. Kai sta plaisia ayths ths diadikasias yparxei kai to epidiwkomeno apotelesma.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes to prwi bghke o k. Pagkalos kai eipe oti o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn den htan kala proetoimasmenos gia to qema toy ``pagwmatos'' twn misqwn. Eseis twra, kalycate plhrws thn k. Diamantopoyloy, se sxesh me ena qema poy dhmioyrghqhke me ton k. Panareto. Yparxoyn alles dysleitoyrgies: Maqainoyme oti sthn kybernhsh qa dhmioyrgei ena syntonistiko organo, epikoinwniako, atypo. Ola ayta ta pragmata, den einai tribes kai gia poio logo yparxei, as poyme, mia anhsyxia sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxoyn anhsyxies kai den yparxoyn tribes -epanalambanw- sthn kybernhsh. H monh anhsyxia kai h monh agwnia ths kybernhshs einai na antimetwpisei ta sobara problhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai me ayto ton tropo poreyetai.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epanelqw se erwthsh toy synadelfoy, prin. Tis apofaseis toy Eurogroup, pantws, den tis aporriptete. Afoy tis exete ypogracei, gia to Asfalistiko den tis aporriptete, fantazomai.

PETALWTHS: Oi apofaseis gia to Asfalistiko qa lhfqoyn me th morfh nomoqethmatos, opote yparxei wrimothta. Kai ayto kanoyme.

KALOSTYPH: Pws sxoliazete anakoinwseis apo thn Merrill Lynch oti h xwra mas den einai da kai sta oria ths xrewkopias; Kai oti yparxei dynatothta, estw kai me kapoioys pio dyskoloys oroys, na lhfqoyn kapoia daneia, wste na proxwrhsei h xwra sthn anaqermansh ths oikonomias kai gia to xreos kai gia ta elleimmata;

PETALWTHS: Emeis paralabame mia poly asxhmh oikonomikh katastash. Ayto to gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. To gnwrize kai prin tis ekloges, kai to gnwrizei mexri kai shmera. Xwris na gnwrizoyme, sygkekrimena, to megeqos ths adynamias ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, jekinhsame mia titania prospaqeia, etsi wste na anakamcoyme to poly asxhmo klima poy yparxei kai sthn oikonomia, alla kai sthn ajiopistia kai sthn eikona ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko, poy exei amesh sxesh me ton tropo kai toys oroys daneismoy ths Elladas. Emeis pisteyoyme oti yparxei elpida sto telos. Eimaste aisiodojoi oti mesa apo sklhrh doyleia kai mesa apo sygkekrimenes stoxeyseis -stoxeyseis poy qa prostateyoyn kai ton adynamo Ellhna polith- qa mporesoyme na bgoyme apo ayth, thn pragmatika asxhmh katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

TOYMASHS: Se ti stoxeyei h apofash toy k. Xrysoxoidh gia thn ypoxrewsh twn astynomikwn anti na feroyn enan diakritiko ariqmo, na exoyn sth stolh toys to onomatepwnymo toys san nosokomes; Piqanws, den stoxopoioyntai etsi epikindyna ayjanontas kai th dikh toys anasfaleia gia thn patajh toy egklhmatos;

PETALWTHS: Stoxeysh kai skopos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai h asfaleia toy Ellhna polith kai h prostasia twn atomikwn toy dikaiwmatwn. Me aytoys toys dyo paragontes h ellhnikh kybernhsh filodojei oti qa prosferei thn pragmatikh asfaleia poy exei anagkh shmera o Ellhnas poliths. Gia na mhn yparxoyn kai ayqairesies  giati ayth einai mia pleyra ths prostasias toy polith- o k. Xrysoxoidhs anakoinwse sygkekrimena metra, me to skeptiko poy sas anefera prohgoymenws.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn prosexh Paraskeyh o Prwqypoyrgos qa dei gia deyterh fora tis teleytaies 30 hmeres ton Skopiano omologo toy Nikola Gkroyefski. H prwth moy erwthsh einai: Pros ti ayth h spoydh kai an krybetai kati pisw apo tis synexeis epafes. Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai: Den anhsyxei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti endexomenws na komizei mhnymata stoys dieqneis etairoys oti parakamptei, tropon tina, thn ejelissomenh, ypo thn aigida toy OHE, diadikasia kai anoigei enan apeyqeias diaylo epikoinwnias;

PETALWTHS: Anakoinwqhke kai xqes, poios einai o skopos ths trimeroys synanthshs, o opoios exei sxesh me thn prostasia toy periballontos. Einai ena qema poy afora kai th sygkekrimenh perioxh, opoy qa pragmatopoihqei h trimerhs synanthsh. To qema ths prostasias toy periballontos, ths allaghs toy klimatos kai twn epiptwsewn einai apo ta prwta qemata sth dieqnh politikh skhnh. Ara, exoyme kai emeis ypoxrewsh kai se epipedo Balkaniwn, na to antimetwpisoyme. Apo kei kai pera, gia allh mia fora epanalambanoyme, ws ellhnikh kybernhsh: Oti h meqodos twn diapragmateysewn me toys geitones mas, me ta Skopia, me thn Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias, einai mia kai monadikh: Mesw toy OHE, opws akoloyqeitai ta teleytaia xronia.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoia ejelijh sthn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na anoijei 95 akomh klines se Monades Entatikhs Qerapeias kai na proslabei noshleytiko proswpiko;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, antimetwpizontas tis poly asxhmes synqhkes poy yparxoyn sth xwra mas sto xwro ths Ygeias kai to zhthma ths griphs, prospaqoyme pragmatika, mesa apo mia sobarh prospaqeia na leitoyrghsoyn 95 klines se Monades Entatikhs Qerapeias poy mexri twra htan kleistes kai me prooptikh na anoijoyn alles 54. Kai ayto qa pragmatopoihqei -epeidh to zhthma einai h elleich noshleytikoy proswpikoy- me amesh proslhch 300 noshleytwn gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

KOYTRAS: Mesw ASEP;

PETALWTHS: Mesw ASEP. Me syntomh, omws, diadikasia.

TOYMASHS: Epeidh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh den mporei na isxyei alla sto ena kratos kai alla sto allo, yparxei endexomeno na ypoxrewqei h Ellada na aposyrei apo ta sxoleia tis eikones kai ta qrhskeytika symbola, epeidh prosfata to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn apofasise oti qa prepei na apomakrynqoyn oi stayroi apo tis tajeis twn italikwn sxoleiwn giati skandalizetai meiochfia maqhtwn poy anhkei se allo dogma.

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma kai den teqhke sth xwra mas.

Sas eyxaristw.


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