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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-11-30

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 30 Noembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 238012418

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 30 Noembrioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

O Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos A. Papandreoy qa milhsei apoce sto ethsio synedrio toy Ellhnoamerikanikoy Epimelhthrioy, me qema ``H wra ths ellhnikhs oikonomias''. Pragmati, einai h wra ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai h ellhnikh oikonomia -opws tonise o Prwqypoyrgos kai sth synedriash toy Politikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK- qa bgei apo thn krish. Ergazomaste gi` ayto kaqhmerina, jediplwnontas mera me th mera, qema me to qema, to sxedio mas gia th xwra, ylopoiwntas to programma mas, poy enekrine o laos stis 4 Oktwbrioy.

To gegonos oti to problhma ths oikonomias einai poly megalytero apo ayto poy paroysiaze h Nea Dhmokratia -kati gia to opoio einai ypologh, apokleistika, ston ellhniko lao- mas ypoxrewnei na meinoyme akomh perissotero pistoi sth filosofia kai to programma mas. Giati, den mas noiazei na beltiwqoyn aplws oi ariqmoi kai ta megeqh, ean den ejasfalisoyme, panw ap` ola, thn eyhmeria twn politwn ths xwras mas. Ayto einai poy mas noiazei. Ergazomaste gia thn koinwnikh synoxh kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw kat` arxhn, ean o k. Papandreoy epikoinwnhse me ton k. Samara gia na ton sygxarei.

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei eidikh anakoinwsh gi` ayto, opws kai gia thn eklogh toy neoy arxhgoy ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PITTARAS: To xqesino apotelesma sas ikanopoiei perissotero apo o,ti an eklegotan h k. Mpakogiannh;

PETALWTHS: Exw pei kai tis prohgoymenes fores -kai ayth einai h isxyrh pepoiqhsh ths kybernhshs- oti mas endiaferoyn oi politikes kai oxi ta proswpa.

KOYTRAS: Allazei kati sthn antimetwpish ths kybernhshs apenanti sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, to gegonos oti pia h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh exei proedro;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kriqhkame prin apo 50 hmeres, lambanontas apo ton ellhniko lao mia poly isxyrh aytodynamia. Phrame sygkekrimenh entolh. H politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias katadikasthke apo toys Ellhnes polites kai me ayth thn isxyrh entolh, sta plaisia twn desmeysewn mas, proxwrame.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa epitaxynete kapws toys ryqmoys toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, twra poy exete antipoliteysh apenanti sas, kyrie Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: To exw pei kai alles fores: Ayta poy ekane ayth h kybernhsh tis 50 hmeres ths diakybernhshs ths, den exoyn ginei apo alles kybernhseis, edw kai xronia. Kai exw apariqmhsei polles fores o,ti egine kai to ti qa ginei poly syntoma.

KALOSTYPH: H Irlandia, kyrie Ekproswpe, me 12,5% elleimma phre paratash ews to 2014 gia na ``strwsei'' ta oikonomika ths. Emeis eimaste sto 2,7% kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy prokeitai na antimetwpisei mia dyskolh katastash me toys Eyrwpaioys se o,ti afora thn ajiopistia toy programmatos kai toy Proypologismoy poy qa kataqesoyme. Emeis eyelpistoyme oti qa exoyme ena tetoio periqwrio, peripoy ews to 2014, poy o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti einai kai etos-oroshmo gia thn entajh twn dytikwn Balkaniwn sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh; Syndyazontai, qewreite, sta myala twn Eyrwpaiwn ayta ta dyo qemata, h oikonomia kai ta eqnika qemata;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, syndyazontai sth dikh mas politikh. Qeloyme na exoyme mia isxyrh qesh sto ejwteriko, prokeimenoy na exoyme isxyrh qesh kai sta ejwterika qemata, alla poy exoyn amesh sxesh kai me thn oikonomia ths xwras mas, poy exei epishs amesh sxesh me thn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith. Na sas pw mono oti ayrio o k. Papakwnstantinoy qa antimetwpisei sto ECOFIN thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sth synedriash poy qa ginei. Mia synedriash, omws, h opoia exei diafores faseis. Ayrio, kataqetontas kai ton Proypologismo, qa kriqoyme gia to ti ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh h ti den ekane toys teleytaioys eji mhnes. Ara, milame gia tis politikes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kataqetoyme ton Proypologismo, opoy fainontai oi stoxeyseis kai oi politikes mas. To Febroyario qa kriqei apo to ECOFIN, apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, ti qa kanei ayth h kybernhsh, afoy prwta prohghqei, bebaiws, kai to programma staqerothtas poy qa katateqei ton Ianoyario. Ekei, pragmatika, qa eimaste ypologoi emeis gia to ti metra pairnoyme.

SIDERHS: Dyo erwthseis: Sas problhmatizei mhpws o k. Samaras den apodexqei thn ypochfiothta toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai syrei th xwra se ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai eyqynh toy k. Samara.

SIDERHS: Qa kanete kapoies proseggiseis, na maqete tis diaqeseis toy kai na toy zhthsete synainesh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme qesh panw sto sygkekrimeno zhthma kai gi` ayto mono mporoyme na desmeytoyme.

SIDERHS: O k. Papandreoy qymhqhke oti einai Proedros toy PASOK kai episkefqhke ta grafeia. Mhpws, epeidh antimetwpizete pleon ta dyskola kai qelete apo to komma mono sthrijh;

PETALWTHS: Parakamptw thn apoch sas. Einai jekaqara dikh sas apoch. O k. Papandreoy safws kai einai Proedros toy PASOK, safws kai yparxei mia poly swsth antimetwpish ths kybernhshs apo to komma. To prohgoymeno Sabbato egine mia poly epoikodomhtikh synedriash toy Politikoy Symboylioy, opoy teqhkan ta sobara zhthmata ths xwras kai oi sxeseis kai o rolos toy Kinhmatos me thn kybernhsh.

GIANNISHS: Prokeitai na yparjei atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to apogeyma kai yparxei kapoia atzenta gi` ayto;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio stis 17.30, to opoio qa syzhthsei gia thn organwsh toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Enan dialogo, koinwniko, ston opoio dinoyme poly megalh barythta, afoy den exei kamia sxesh me to ti egine mexri twra. Qa einai enas eqnikos dialogos, eyryteros, ergaleiakos, me nees prooptikes panw sta megala zhthmata ths xwras mas.

ANTYPAS: Sto dialogo, h kybernhsh qa kataqesei kai tis protaseis ths;

PETALWTHS: Gia poio pragma;

ANTYPAS: Gia ola ta qemata. H qa balei aplws thn atzenta kai qa kalesei toys polites na symmetasxoyn, se ti;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei ena plaisio, to opoio qa topoqethsei sto dialogo. Kai gi` ayto akribws lew oti einai ergaleiakos o dialogos, gi` ayto ton xarakthrisa eyrytero: Giati pleon den syzhtame me foreis, alla syzhtame me oloys toys polites. Kai ton xarakthrizw kai eqniko, giati exei qetei ola ta megala zhthmata ths xwras mas, panw se sygkekrimena plaisia, sta opoia desmeythkame kai gia ta opoia mas ejeleje o ellhnikos laos.

ANTYPAS: Ayto akribws, ekei hqela na katalhjw. Prin apo 50 hmeres phrate laikh entolh gia ena sygkekrimeno programma. Giati to bazete jana se dialogo; Den jerete tis lyseis; Qelete alloqi gia na efarmosete kapoies alles politikes ap` aytes poy eixate sto programma sas; Qelete na kerdisete xrono; Poio einai to problhma; H proeklogikh periodos einai dialogos. Giati janakanoyme dialogo kai den kybernate;

PETALWTHS: Emeis desmeythkame stoys polites gia mia diaforetikh politikh. Phrame safh entolh, phrame jekaqarh entolh apo ton ellhniko lao. Qetoyme to plaisio mas, tis ajies, thn ideologia mas, alla zhtame thn eyryterh symmetoxh toy ellhnikoy laoy, toy Ellhna polith, mesa apo ayton to dialogo. To plaisio einai prodiagegrammeno. Mas endiaferei, omws, enas neos tropos diakybernhshs, mesa apo ton opoio emeis xarazoyme thn apofasistikh politikh gia th xwra mas.

ANTYPAS: 45% phrate. Ti allh symmetoxh qelete apo ton polith; Na apofasisei gia logariasmo sas;

PETALWTHS: Emeis den exoyme mia tetoia antilhch gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Anoigoyme dialogo me toys polites, giati mas endiaferei na exoyme tis apoceis, tis protaseis, tis idees toys, etsi wste na kanoyme ena neo jekinhma gia th xwra mas, pera apo to synthrhtiko plaisio sto opoio kineitai mexri twra.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Afoy eipate oti to plaisio einai prodiagegrammeno, poios o logos as poyme gia to dialogo sthn koinwnikh asfalish; Milate gia prodiagegrammeno plaisio, dhladh gia apofaseis poy exoyn hdh parqei; O dialogos einai gia na leitoyrghsei ws alloqi, gia na perasete metra ta opoia den ta eixate anakoinwsei proeklogika;

PETALWTHS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws, oti yparxei to plaisio. Apo kei kai pera, jekiname to dialogo gia na breqoyn kai oi sygkekrimenes lyseis, se sygkekrimena zhthmata, mesa apo mia eyreia synainesh twn forewn kai twn politwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Einai eilhmmenes oi apofaseis;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa: An htan eilhmmenes oi apofaseis den qa kaloysame se dialogo gia sygkekrimena zhthmata. Einai teleiws diaforetiko, otan milame gia enan eyry koinwniko dialogo, apo ton dialogo poy exoyme synhqisei mexri twra. Gi` ayto akribws epejhgoyme ston ellhniko lao kai to ti shmainei dialogos, ti shmainei enas neos tropos diakybernhshs ths xwras mas. Kai ayto jetyligetai mera me th mera. Yparxei plhrhs antilhch kai synainesh ston ellhniko lao.

TOYMASHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh ektima pws ta problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias antimetwpizontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza kai ton k. Trise sto pneyma eyrwenwsiakhs allhleggyhs h symmerizeste thn ektimhsh pws h oikonomia mas yponomeyetai apo trapezika lobby kai eyrwpaika kerdoskopika symferonta, ejwqwntas th xwra mas se daneismo kai se kaqestws oikonomikhs omhrias;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, eklexqhkame gia na ylopoihsoyme ena sygkekrimeno programma. Amesh proteraiothta kai stoxeysh mas einai na mhn plhrwsoyn thn krish kai pali ta adynata strwmata ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Einai jekaqaro to mhnyma kai me bash ayto to gnwmona poreyomaste.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Twra poy ejelegh o arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias, na anamenoyme thn prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias; Kai pote;

PETALWTHS: To pote, qa anakoinwqei. Apo kei kai pera, o Prwqypoyrgos hdh exei desmeyqei oti qa kalesei synanthsh arxhgwn, ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Qa fanei entos twn hmerwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To anamenoyme prosexws ayto; Syntoma;

PETALWTHS: Syntoma.

KALOSTYPH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean stis syzhthseis me toys Eyrwpaioys xreiastei na yparjoyn peraiterw perikopes dapanwn, epipleon perikopes dapanwn, wste o Proypologismos mas na kriqei ikanopoihtikos, etsi wste kai na mporesei h xwra na daneistei apo dieqneis agores kai genika na proxwrhsoyme, as poyme, sthn ejygiansh ths oikonomias, apo poy qa epelqoyn aytes oi perikopes dapanwn; Yparxoyn skeceis sthn kybernhsh; To ena skelos einai ayto. To allo einai, epeidh kai sto prohgoymeno erwthma moy hqela na syndesw ayta ta dyo qemata. Emeis xreiazomaste ena periqwrio gia na ftiajoyme to elleimma mas ews to 2014 peripoy. O neos epitropos sth qesh toy k. Almoynia, k. Ren, einai gnwsto oti proerxetai apo mia xwra me mhdenikh diafqora, qelei thn enopoihsh twn Balkaniwn. Lete oti yparxei periptwsh na askhqoyn pieseis sth xwra mas, etsi wste na proxwrhsoyme pio grhgora sto na dwsoyme egkrish gia enarjh diapragmateysewn me ta Skopia; Kai an symbei ayto, h ``kokkinh grammh'' isxyei; Qa mporesoyme na diaxwrisoyme thn istoria toy onomatos gia oles tis xrhseis apo thn taytothta ths geitonikhs xwras, etsi wste na yparjei mia proodos kai sto qema ayto;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, epanalambanw: Ekei poy qa kriqoyme, pera apo thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy ayrio, qa einai to programma staqerothtas to opoio qa kataqesoyme ton Ianoyario, gia na syzhthqei ton Febroyario sta armodia organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ekei qa kriqei to ti kanoyme, ti metra pairnoyme, etsi wste na mporesoyme na meiwsoyme to elleimma. To aparadekto elleimma to opoio klhronomhsame apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Ws pros to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Eimaste pistoi kai den prokeitai na apospastoyme apo thn eqnikh ``kokkinh grammh'' poy xarajame. Den jerw an qa yparjoyn pieseis. Pantws h ellhnikh kybernhsh den prokeitai na dexqei pote pieseis, se ayto to shmantiko, gia emas, zhthma.

KALOSTYPH: Pisteyete oti o k. Samaras qa bohqhsei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh h qa krathsei sklhrh grammh sta eqnika;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai qema toy k. Samara kai nomizw oti einai poly nwris gia na to syzhtame.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos k. Papandreoy eixe paei arketes fores stis Bryjelles, eixe synanthqei kai me ton k. Trise kai me ton k. Almoynia kai me ton k. Mparozo kai eixe pei oti exei ejhghsei tis qeseis toy kai briskei katanohsh. Malista, eixe pei kai eixe erwthqei kai sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs kata poso einai symbato ayto to programma poy paroysiazei to PASOK gia thn oikonomia me ta eyrwpaika dedomena. Kai eixe pei oti einai apolytws symbato. Ti exei symbei twra kai o k. Papandreoy bgainei mia ston ``Kosmo toy Ependyth'' kai mia sto Politiko Symboylio kai arxizei na afhnei aixmes kata koryfaiwn stelexwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Dhladh, poy einai to problhma ayth th stigmh; To programma den mporei na proxwrhsei, mas zhtane kati parapanw apo ayta poy nomizei oti mporei na kanei to PASOK;

PETALWTHS: To na pw egw shmera ti qa mas zhthsei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh apo dw kai pera, otan qa kataqesoyme ton Proypologismo, to programma staqerothtas kai ton forologiko nomo o opoios qa doqei sth dhmosia diaboyleysh kata pasa piqanothta mexri to telos ths xronias, nomizw oti einai akairo. Ekeino to opoio mporw na pw me sigoyria einai oti desmeyqhkame apenanti ston ellhniko lao na askhsoyme mia politikh. Kai bebaiws mia politikh, thn opoia desmeyomaste akomh kai shmera oti qa askhsoyme, parolo poy ta stoixeia poy brhkame den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Parolo poy brhkame mia toso asxhmh oikonomikh katastash poy den mporoysame na fantastoyme.

BITALHS: Me sygxwreite omws, giati o Prwqypoyrgos, eite sth dhlwsh toy ston ``Ependyth'', eite sta osa leei sto Politiko Symboylio einai toso aixmhros apenanti stoys ajiwmatoyxoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai sygkekrimena ston k. Trise, ton k. Mparozo kai ton k. Almoynia;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, oti eimaste mia kybernhsh h opoia ejyphretei, kai mono, ta eqnika ths symferonta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh qa ginei kai to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to apogeyma, ti ginetai me tis armodiothtes twn Yfypoyrgwn; Qa doqoyn kapoia stigmh oi armodiothtes stoys Yfypoyrgoys;

PETALWTHS: Oi armodiothtes twn Yfypoyrgwn den exoyn sxesh me to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Se liges hmeres qa exoyn jekaqarisei kai oi armodiothtes twn Yfypoyrgwn.

SEGKOS: Mporeite, kyrie Ekproswpe, na mas prosdiorisete gia poia qemata qa kalesei h kybernhsh eqniko dialogo;

PETALWTHS: Gia ta meizona zhthmata, etsi opws ta ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa yparxei omws ejeidikeysh, otan yparxei h prosklhsh ston eqniko koinwniko dialogo.

PITTARAS: Mexri na bgei ayth h epishmh anakoinwsh poy mas eipate sthn arxh, eseis den niwqete thn anagkh, ekproswpwntas thn kybernhsh na sygxareite ton k. Samara gia thn eklogh toy;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei epishmh anakoinwsh  sygxarhthria, oytws h allws.

PITTARAS: Ki eseis epishma eiste edw.

ANTYPAS: San anqrwpos.

PETALWTHS: San anqrwpos...

PITTARAS: Ton fobaste; Giati den to lete;

PETALWTHS: Ekproswpw thn kybernhsh. Se ligo qa yparjei anakoinwsh.

MIXAHL: Ti ennoeite ``qa yparjei anakoinwsh se ligo''; Anamenoyme, dhladh, dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy proswpika na sygxarei kai na milhsei me ton k. Samara; Perimenoyme mia grapth kybernhtikh anakoinwsh poy qa anaferetai h kybernhsh kai qa einai genikh; Perimenoyme kati allo; Gia na katalaboyme ki emeis ti einai ayto to pio epishmo.

PETALWTHS: Na katalabete oti qa yparxei epishmh anakoinwsh se ligo.

MIXAHL: Malista. O k. Papandreoy qa synanthqei me ton k. Samara tis epomenes hmeres ejaitias twn qesmikwn toys rolwn;

PETALWTHS: Ean yparjei synanthsh, qa anakoinwqei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Loberdos anakoinwse sta plaisia toy dialogoy oti qa proxwrhsei se domikes allages toy systhmatos koinwnikhs asfalishs. Yparxei stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs h dhmioyrgia epaggelmatikwn tameiwn poy qa basizontai se ena systhma antapodotikothtas;

PETALWTHS: Me proqeseis kai senaria den qa syzhtame. To eipa kai thn prohgoymenh fora: To Asfalistiko einai ena poly megalo kai kayto zhthma gia th xwra mas. Exei amesh sxesh me thn epibiwsh kai th diabiwsh toy parontos kai toy mellontos twn politwn. Ginetai me mia ejairetika sobarh proseggish. Kai apo th stigmh poy hdh exei jekinhsei o dialogos  toylaxiston exoyn symfwnhqei kapoia diadikastika zhthmata- exw pei oti den mporei na ginei enas parallhlos dialogos edw kai malista na prokatalambanei to ti qa syzhthqei se ayto to dialogo.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Rwthsa ean yparxei sxedio gia th dhmioyrgia epaggelmatikwn tameiwn.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

POLYMEROS: Ean shmera edw htan enas opoiosdhpote, apo allo meros kai den gnwrize thn ellhnikh pragmatikothta qa katalabaine oti h kybernhsh aytwn twn 50 hmerwn exei anoijei polla metwpa. Mhpws exete ``aplwsei poly ton traxana'' kai den mporeite na ton mazecete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis desmeythkame, prin tis ekloges, oti qa anoijoyme ola ta metwpa sta megala h mikra zhthmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra. Ayto kanoyme. Eimaste mia kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai sklhra. Mia kybernhsh h opoia kainotomei kai h opoia exei na epideijei ena shmantikotato ergo se aytes tis 50 hmeres.

NANOS: Hqela na rwthsw, sth synedriash toy Politikoy Symboylioy, eipan orismena stelexh oti otan eklegei proedros sth Nea Dhmokratia na bgaloyme ta aplyta ths diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias sth fora. Poia einai ta aplyta kai pote qa ta bgalete;

PETALWTHS: Ayto eseis apo poy to gnwrizete;

NANOS: Symfwna me dhmosieymata toy Typoy.

PETALWTHS: Den sxoliazw dhmosieymata toy Typoy, giati nomizw oti qa prepei na syzhtame se mia pio staqerh bash.

NANOS: Poia qa einai, loipon, h stash, epeidh prokeitai h Nea Dhmokratia na askhsei entonh antipoliteysh; Ti perimenete apo edw;

PETALWTHS: Exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti gia emas, o megalos polemos poy ginetai einai me ta megala kai mikra problhmata ths xwras mas. Ayto einai to melhma mas. Ekei prosanatolizomaste.

KALOSTYPH: Einai gnwsto, bebaia, alla qelw na to janapw: Symfwna me thn ereyna ths Dieqnoys Diafaneias, h Ellada einai ejairetika diefqarmenh xwra ston tomea ths ygeionomikhs periqalchs. Dhladh, apo to ena ews to pente ajiologhsh, emeis eimaste sto tessera.

PETALWTHS: Dystyxws, oxi mono ston tomea...

KALOSTYPH: Nai. Eidika, omws, sto qema ths ygeionomikhs periqalchs, eimaste h pleon diefqarmenh xwra, me tessera baqmologia. To erwthma einai oti sth syzhthsh poy ginetai twra gia thn ejygiansh twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn kai twn Tameiwn periqalchs, ayto lambanetai ypoch kai pros poia kateyqynsh; Dhladh, h ejygiansh odeyei sto na pacei na apajiwnetai, as poyme, h dhmosia ygeia h sto na yparjei mia pio orqologikh sxesh metajy idiwtikhs ygeionomikhs periqalchs kai dhmosias ygeias; Pros poia kateyqynsh doyleyei, dhladh, h kybernhsh se ayto; Doyleyei pros kapoy; Giati den exw akoysei tipote teleytaia.

PETALWTHS: Ta qemata ths Ygeias einai ena apo ta sobarotera zhthmata, ta opoia qa anoijei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kai hdh ta exei anoijei. Kai den afora mono sto Asfalistiko, afora thn olh nootropia ths diakybernhshs, thn opoia akoloyqei h kybernhsh toy PASOK, opoy enas basikos pylwnas ayths ths diakybernhshs einai h diafaneia, o ejorqologismos, h ajiologhsh, etsi wste pleon na pacoyn ayta ta megala zhthmata gia th xwra mas na einai xronia. Etsi wste na pacei pleon na yparxei mia mayrh trypa sta oikonomika, xwris antistoixes paroxes. Ayto, omws, katalabainete oti xreiazetai ena sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma. Den mporoyme na kanoyme aytes tis anatropes apo thn prwth hmera. Ayto poy kanoyme emeis, einai na jekiname me bash ayth th filosofia ths diafaneias kai toy ejorqologismoy kai ths swsths diaxeirishs, etsi wste kai se ola ta epimeroys zhthmata na exoyme ta apotelesmata poy qeloyme. Ayto isxyei kai gia ton tomea ths Ygeias, alla fysika den lynetai me ena mono metro.

KALOSTYPH: Oxi, aplws qelw na katalabw, ean h diafqora, h opoia apotypwnetai gia th xwra mas sto qema ths Ygeias, einai diafqora poy entopizetai sth dhmosia ygeia h sthn idiwtikh, gia na to pw etsi;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena synoliko zhthma. Egw, qa sas anaferw mono, oti prin apo liges hmeres yphrxe mia koinh anakoinwsh twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn gia thn politikh sto farmako, poy einai ena poly shmantiko zhthma. Kai exei sxesh me ayto poy rwtate, opoy prospaqoyme na kanoyme perikopes, na kanoyme oysiastikopoihsh stis perikopes axrhstwn dapanwn, etsi wste o Ellhnas poliths na exei thn kalyterh farmakeytikh periqalch, xwris na kostizei toso akriba kai toso spatala oso kostize mexri twra. Ayto einai mono ena prwto deigma.

NANOS: Epeidh yparxei mia sygxysh me tis armodiothtes twn Yfypoyrgwn, qelw na mas peite poios einai ypeyqynos, o Giwrgos Papandreoy, oi Ypoyrgoi kai poios eyqynetai gi` ayth thn kaqysterhsh, oti den exoyn doqei mexri shmera; Giati exoyn perasei 50 hmeres.

PETALWTHS: Sygxysh, den yparxei. Apo ekei kai pera, o nomos problepei poios apodidei tis armodiothtes stoys Yfypoyrgoys.

SOFIANOS: An moy epitrepete, eipate oti den sxoliazete dhmosieymata. Wstoso, dhmosieymata dieqnoys Typoy, idiaitera gia thn oikonomia, exoyn ameso antiktypo sto Xrhmatisthrio kai genikotera sto kostos daneismoy, an qelete, sto opoio qa probei h Ellada apo toy xronoy. Prosfata, yphrxe sto Rwyter mia anafora se fhmes oti h Ellada qa apeyqynqei kai sthn Kina gia na ependysoyn oi Kinezoi sto daneismo ths Elladas. Yphrxe se arketa dhmosiografika praktoreia kai malista me thn epishmansh oti sygkrathsan ta spread, prin akoma kai tis parembaseis toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn kai toy dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Yparxei kapoio tetoio endexomeno; Kai an yparxei h yphrxe tetoia skech ws kybernhsh, kata poso exei ephreastei apo tis teleytaies ejelijeis me to limani;

PETALWTHS: Antikroyomena senaria, yparxoyn ayta poy kykloforoyn genikotera gia thn eyrwpaikh oikonomikh politikh. Eidikotera, polla apo ayta ta senaria poy einai antikroyomena, qetika h arnhtika, aforoyn kai th xwra mas. Gi` ayto lew oti den mporoyme na syzhtoyme panw se senaria. Syzhtame panw se pragmatika stoixeia. Emeis dinoyme kaqhmerines ejetaseis ston Ellhna polith, me th sobarothta, th staqerothta kai ths oikonomikhs mas politikhs. Kai sto telos, pisteyoyme -eimaste sigoyroi- oti qa eimaste dikaiwmenoi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na moy peite an yparxei kapoio qema me ton k. Probopoylo, ton dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai an apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Ayto to qema exei ejantlhqei. To ejantlhsame tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

ANTYPAS: Genikoys Grammateis, qa exoyme ayth thn ebdomada;

PETALWTHS: Qa exoyme. Edw, moy dinete thn aformh gia na pw, gia allh mia fora, oti to qema twn Genikwn Grammatewn den einai ena qema, opws paroysiazetai, kaqysterhshs topoqethshs toys. Kanoyme mia ejairetika kainotomo diadikasia. Emeis, orizoyme Genikoys Grammateis gia mia tetraetia kai den mporoyme na ypobaqmizoyme th megalh kai ejairetikh ayth diadikasia -poy exei amesh sxesh me thn ekbaqynsh ths Dhmokratias mas- me to na leme oti yparxei kaqysterhsh. Qa oloklhrwqei o orismos twn Genikwn Grammatewn me ton kalytero tropo kai me ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata. Giati sto telos ayth h stelexwsh, oxi mono ws diadikasia, alla kai ws apotelesma, einai poy dinei kai ta mhnymata stoys Ellhnes polites gia to ti koinwnia kai ti Politeia zhtame.

ANTYPAS: Epeidh mas malwnete kai ayto emena den moy...

PETALWTHS: Epeidh sas malwnw;

ANTYPAS: Nai, htan ligo o tonos sas...

PETALWTHS: Oxi, alimono. Oyte sas malwnw, oyte me malwnete edw.

ANTYPAS: Miso lepto, na sas kanw mia erwthsh. Efoson, loipon, einai toso kainotomos h diadikasia kai endiafereste toso poly na allajete ta pragmata sthn ellhnikh koinwnia...

PETALWTHS: Ontws, endiaferomaste.

ANTYPAS: Nai, giati den kanete to idio kai stoys dioikhtes twn Trapezwn, poy gemise o Typos onomata to Sabbatokyriako, opoy pame me diadikasia apeyqeias anaqeshs. Ypoyrgoi pairnoyn thlefwna stelexh kai toys lene ``qa pas ekei, qa pas edw, qa pas parapera''. Ekei pera, den sas endiaferei na allajete thn ellhnikh koinwnia;

PETALWTHS: Gia ton orismo twn epikefalhs, twn dioikhtwn twn Trapezwn yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Ean moy peite sygkekrimena, qa sas apanthsw. Giati se kapoies trapezes, to ellhniko Dhmosio exei ena poly meiochfiko pososto, poy shmainei oti den orizei toys dioikhtes. Kapoy opoy exei thn pleiochfia, hdh exoyn ginei protaseis. Kai nomizw oti to zhthma se sxesh me tis trapezes einai jekaqaro.

ANTYPAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tote qa kanoyme ena test. Qa sas gracw se ena xarti, to opoio qa to krathsoyme kleisto, ta onomata...

PETALWTHS: Einai mia kainotomos diadikasia edw. Eidate poy h kainotomia telika apodidei.

ANTYPAS: Nai, qa kanoyme mia kainotomia. Qa gracw, loipon, se ena xarti ta onomata ta opoia anaferontai ston Typo, oi plhrofories toy Typoy oti eginan thlefwna apo kybernhtika stelexh kai sth synexeia, molis teleiwsoyn oi genikes syneleyseis stis opoies anafereste, an einai akribws ta idia, qa ypobalete thn paraithsh sas.

PETALWTHS: Biazeste, nomizw, na me jefortwqeite, an den kanw laqos. Den einai etsi, giati sas eipa oti yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia. To ti diabazoyme ston Typo gia thlefwna, ayta elegxontai. Eimaste oloi ypo elegxo...

ANTYPAS: Profanws, den eiste anqrwpos poy toy aresoyn ta riska.

PETALWTHS: Den eimai kalos sto thlefwno, mporei.

ANTYPAS: Sta riska.

MIXAHL: Ektos apo to qema twn Genikwn Grammatewn, to opoio mas lete oti h kybernhsh to antimetwpizei, yparxei ena sobaro problhma kyriws sthn perifereia. Kai eseis poy erxeste ws boyleyths apo thn perifereia, qa prepei na to zeite kaqhmerina apo oxlhseis sympatriwtwn sas. Den leitoyrgoyn oi perifereies, epeidh exoyn paraithqei oi perifereiarxes apo tis 8 Septembrioy poy prokhryxqhkan oi ekloges. To erwthma einai, h prokhryjh teleiwse; Qa topoqethqoyn perifereiarxes; Dioti, den mporei na leitoyrghsei tipota sth dhmosia dioikhsh ths perifereias.

PETALWTHS: Den symfwnw oti den mporei na leitoyrghsei tipote sth dhmosia dioikhsh ths perifereias. Gnwrizete oti oi perifereiarxes, symfwna me to nomo, orizontai apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Kai pisteyw oti syntoma qa oristoyn.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh qewrei oti piezetai kai oti den ths dinetai o apaitoymenos xronos, h apaitoymenh periodos xaritos, gia na sxediasei thn politikh ths;

PETALWTHS: Periodo xaritos den zhthsame. To legame prin tis ekloges kai to leme mexri kai shmera. Den zhthsame kai den eprepe na exoyme oyte mia hmera, periodo xaritos. Alla, aytes oi shmantikes allages poy dromologoyme, xreiazontai ligo xrono. Kai parolo toy oti eimaste kybernhsh 50 hmerwn  epanalambanw- hdh exoyme kanei para polla. Exoyme dromologhsei shmantikotates ejelijeis sthn ellhnikh politikh zwh, thn oikonomia, thn koinwnia. Kai etsi proxwrame.

KOYTRAS: Gia toys Genikoys Grammateis eipate oti den yparxei kaqysterhsh. Gia tis armodiothtes poy, an katalaba kala, cejate toys Ypoyrgoys poy den exoyn dwsei akoma armodiothtes stoys Yfypoyrgoys, yparxei kapoia kentrikh grammh ths kybernhshs na yparxei mia epispeysh ths diadikasias;

PETALWTHS: Poios eceje toys Ypoyrgoys;

KOYTRAS: Mas eipate prin oti o nomos problepei poios dinei armodiothtes se Yfypoyrgoys.

PETALWTHS: Oxi oti eceja. Eipa oti o nomos problepei.

KOYTRAS: Entopizete kaqysterhsh se ayto ton tomea;

PETALWTHS: Syntoma qa exoyn kaqoristei kai oi armodiothtes stoys Yfypoyrgoys.

KALOSTYPH: Ena qema periballontikhs shmasias k. Ekproswpe kai einai apo thn perioxh sas kiolas. Alhqeyei oti to Qrakiko Pelagos kai o Ebros kindyneyoyn na molynqoyn apo ena ergostasio sth Boylgaria kai malista oti oi qesmikoi foreis ths Rodophs kai toy Ebroy prokeitai na erqoyn gia na sas enhmerwsoyn, zhtwntas bohqeia gia to ti ergostasio einai ayto poy qa molynei ta dika mas ta nera, poy htan na ginei sthn ellhnikh pleyra, alla qa ginei sth boylgarikh pleyra; Ti istoria einai ayth; Alhqeyei ayto oti prokeitai na erqoyn oi anqrwpoi katw na diamartyrhqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia epistolh apo to dhmarxo toy Kirtzali, mias boylgarikhs polhs, h opoia einai dipla sta synora me thn Ellada. H epistolh ayth apeyqynetai se oloys toys foreis kai se Ypoyrgoys. Symfwna me aythn ekfrazetai h anhsyxia oti mia ejoryjh xrysoy qa molynei to periballon. Hdh, ws topikes koinwnies sth Qrakh, exoyme antimetwpisei paromoioy eidoys ejoryktikes drasthriothtes, oi opoies den synadoyn me thn prostasia toy periballontos kai ths idias ths zwhs twn katoikwn. Ekei einai qema periballontikhs eyaisqhsias kai bebaiws kai apofasewn twn kratwn.

KALOSTYPH: Kai pws mporoyme emeis ayto me th Boylgaria na to ryqmisoyme, afoy einai apo th dikh toys thn pleyra; Dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, apo oso gnwrizw toylaxiston, mesw ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opoy oi omores xwres prepei na exoyn th synainesh -an den kanw laqos- kai twn diplanwn toys xwrwn se tetoioy eidoys ejoryktikes drasthriothtes.

PITTARAS: Epeidh epimenete na milate gia paixnidia kai pieseis sthn oikonomia, qelw na sas rwthsw, oi jenoi poy fernoyn ta xrhmata toys sto Xrhmatisthrio, otan ta fernoyn einai ependytes kai otan ta pairnoyn einai kerdoskopoi;

PETALWTHS: Kaneis den eipe kati tetoio. Akribws to antiqeto: Eimaste emeis, aytoi oi opoioi epidiwkoyme na dhmioyrghqei ena staqero dhmosionomiko periballon, oikonomiko periballon toy kratoys, etsi wste na ginoyme epiteloys elkystikos topos gia toys ependytes, opoy qa ependyoyn ta xrhmata toys. Kai me mia swsth diadikasia qa mporei na exei ta ofelh ths, kyriws h ellhnikh oikonomia. Ayto einai poy mas endiaferei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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