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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-12-07

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 7 Dekembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 239316654

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Dekembrioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

H Kybernhsh eixe jekaqarisei oti qa edeixne mhdenikh anoxh se osoys, me aformh tis ekdhlwseis mnhmhs gia ton Alejandro Grhgoropoylo, qa epediwkan na sthsoyn jana, opws perysi, skhniko tromoy kai xaoys sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Eixame jekaqarisei oti ta gegonota toy perasmenoy Dekembrioy eqesan thn ``kokkinh grammh'' sta zhthmata poy aforoyn th dhmosia tajh kai to aisqhma asfaleias twn politwn.

Xqes, xiliades polites, se eirhnikes ekdhlwseis, tis opoies xairetizoyme, timhsan th mnhmh toy Alejandroy. Yphrjan fysika kai aytoi poy epidiwjan thn epanalhch twn persinwn eikonwn katastrofhs. Alla, to mhnyma poy doqhke einai oti h Aqhna, oi megales poleis ths xwras mas, den einai poleis anoxyrwtes. H Kybernhsh ergazetai kai qa ergazetai kaqhmerina gia thn empedwsh toy aisqhmatos asfaleias twn politwn, poy ypesth megala plhgmata thn prohgoymenh periodo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: Epeidh balate to orio, thn ``kokkinh grammh'' sta persina gegonota, ayto poy exoyme omws apo th meria sas, dhladh, ws metrhsimo megeqos einai oi kinhseis sas sta xqesina gegonota. Qelw na katalabw kati: To dogma ths kybernhshs einai prosagwges; Stis poses stamatate;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia allagh dogmatos sthn kybernhsh. Oi prosagwges einai ena nomimo metro poy problepetai apo to Syntagma kai efarmozetai gia xarh ths asfaleias toy Ellhna polith.

PITTARAS: Qelw na epimeinw ligo, an moy epitrepete. Oi prosagwges, lete eseis oti einai nomimo metro. Den yparxoyn oria kai sta merh poy mporeite na phgainete kai na kanete aytes tis prosagwges; Dhladh, egine mia epixeirhsh se ena gnwsto politiko kafeneio, to ``Resalto''. Dhladh, apo dw kai sto ejhs qa kanete tetoies epixeirhseis kai se alloys xwroys politikopoihmenoys;

PETALWTHS: Edw yparxei ena zhthma. Exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh. Yphrxe paroysia toy Eisaggelea. As meinoyme se ayto, mexri na diakribwqei, ti akribws egine ekei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti h stash toy SYRIZA kai toy k. Tsipra bohqhse h prokalese problhma mallon, sthn prospaqeia gia th diathrhsh ths asfaleias;

PETALWTHS: Exei apanthsei, me sxetikh anakoinwsh, o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Xrysoxoidhs.

MPEQANH: Sthn periptwsh ths katalhchs ths Prytaneias, den eixame thn antistoixh efarmogh toy nomoy poy isxyei. Skeftetai h kybernhsh to endexomeno na efarmostei aytos o nomos, dedomenoy oti eixame akoysei kai ton k. Pagkalo, otan htan boyleyths tote ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. H protash toy htan na isxysei aytos o nomos.

PETALWTHS: An ennoeite gia thn periptwsh toy Prytanh k. Kitta, prwta ap` ola na pw, oti dhlwnoyme th symparastash mas. Ennoeitai oti katadikazoyme mia tetoia prajh. H Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Diamantopoyloy ton episkefqhke kai ekane sxetikh dhlwsh. Hdh, ap` oso gnwrizw, yparxei mia prokatarktikh epeigoysa ejetash apo ton armodio Eisaggelea, opoy omws tiqetai qema asyloy. Yparxei sxetikos nomos symfwna me ton opoio h qa eprepe na yparxei prosklhsh twn prytanikwn arxwn h qa eprepe na parembei o Eisaggeleas, efoson plhroyntan oi proypoqeseis toy nomoy. Kai kati tetoio den egine.

PITTARAS: Qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw sta osa eginan ekei sto Keratsini kai se ayto to xwro, epeidh yparxei ek twn pragmatwn emplokh twn paidiwn toy Antiproedroy ths Boylhs. Gia thn kybernhsh yparxei kapoio qema; Giati o idios afhnei anoixto akomh kai to endexomeno na paraithqei kai apo boyleyths, legontas bebaiws pws o sygkekrimenos xwros einai ena politiko kafeneio kai oxi giafka.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na epanalabw oti to ti egine ekei kai gia thn oysia ths ypoqeshs exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh. Apo kei kai pera, oson afora ton Antiproedro ths Boylhs k. Niwth: Einai enas ajiologotatos koinoboyleytikos andras, politismenos, me poly megalh empeiria kai ajioprepeia. Kai fysika, den tiqetai qema eyqynhs toy k. Niwth.

PITTARAS: Yphrxan omws kai kapoia alla gegonota, gia paradeigma, pws sxoliazete aytes tis skhnes poy eidame me toys motosikletistes poy parasyroyn diadhlwtes; Ekei, ti orio bazete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na ypenqymisw oti opoy yparxei atyxhma me traymatismo, epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh, oytws h allws. Ara, qa yparjei kai ekei qema Dikaiosynhs. To Ypoyrgeio Prostasias toy Polith, hdh exei epilhfqei toy sygkekrimenoy zhthmatos. Htan atyxhma. Hdh, o motosikletisths exei episkefqei thn kyria h opoia traymatisthke. Kalese o idios asqenoforo, zhthse sygnwmh kai nomizw oti exei lhjei to qema ekei.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Meta to atyxhma, opws to xarakthrizete, omws, yphrxe kai xtyphma apo ton astynomiko. Kai qelw na rwthsw, an qewreite sthn kybernhsh oti yphrje apolytos sebasmos twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kata th diarkeia twn diadhlwsewn, opws exei diakhryjei kai o armodios Ypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: Stoxos kai entolh einai na yparxei apolyth prostasia twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, me parallhlh empedwsh toy aisqhmatos asfaleias toy Ellhna polith. Ean yparxei kati diaforetiko, qa yparjei kataggelia kai qa diereynhqei.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Sxetika me to qema toy asyloy, gia na dieykrinistei, skeftetai h kybernhsh thn arsh toy, me aformh kai ta osa synebhsan;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. Gia na kleisw oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema: Emeis ayto poy exoyme na poyme, einai oti qa prepei na sygkrinoyme ti egine tetoies hmeres, perysi, sthn Aqhna, opoy kaigotan epi treis hmeres h polh, katastrefontan perioysies, yphrje kindynos gia tis zwes kai ti Aqhna exoyme shmera.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Niwths ekane kapoia dhlwsh oti den yphrxe Eisaggeleas otan mphke h Astynomia se ayto to steki. Telika, yphrxe Eisaggeleas h den yphrxe;

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw th dhlwsh toy k. Niwth...

GARGALAKOS: Oxi, rwtw an yphrxe Eisaggeleas.

PETALWTHS: Eisaggeleas yphrxe.

MIXAHL: Kati sta aponera ths ypoqeshs me ton proswrina epilexqenta Grammatea k. Koytoyph. Diabasa, xqes, mia synenteyjh toy se kyriakatikh efhmerida, poy leei oti eixe enhmerwsei plhrws, stis synanthseis poy eixe me ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, gia to oti htan energo stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias, to oti symmeteixe ws ypochfios mesw ths DAKE se kladikes arxairesies kai genika thn politikh toy taytothta kai tis politikes toy apoceis den tis ekryce sta ranteboy toy ayta. Efoson ayto isxyei, poia htan ta krithria poy prytaneysan wste na epilegei;

PETALWTHS: To qema Koytoyph, nomizw oti to ejantlhsame thn prohgoymenh fora. Den yparxei periptwsh na epanelqoyme me bash mia synenteyjh toy idioy.

POLYMEROS: Yparxei dhmosieymenh, xqes, mia synenteyjh toy epikefalhs toy Eurogroup k. Zan Klont Gioyngker, o opoios metajy allwn proeidopoiei pws ean ta metra ths kybernhshs den einai apotelesmatika to pio piqano einai na mpei se pio sklhro stadio epithrhshs h xwra mas. Ayto ti shmainei; Shmainei ``pagwma'' epidothsewn kai apagoreysh daneismoy. To blepei ayto h kybernhsh; Dexetai tis proeidopoihseis aytes toy epikefalhs toy Eurogroup;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh ergazetai sklhra gia thn anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Hdh, to prwto bhma egine me ton Proypologismo, o opoios katateqhke. Amesws meta thn enarjh toy eqnikoy koinwnikoy dialogoy, qa arxisei o dialogos gia neo forologiko nomosxedio. Kai bebaia, stis arxes toy etoys, qa katateqei kai to programma staqerothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, opoy pragmatika qa tiqentai ekeines oi baseis, etsi wste h ellhnikh oikonomia na ginei jana ajiopisth stoys etairoys, alla kai sto eswteriko ths xwras kai ston Ellhna polith.

GIANNISHS: Ep` aytoy. Enocei ths enarjhs toy dialogoy gia to forologiko, h kybernhsh meleta thn ayjhsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn;

PETALWTHS: Einai akairo na milhsw egw, shmera. Gia to forologiko nomosxedio qa anoijei mia poly megalh diaboyleysh. Krithrio enos neoy forologikoy nomoy qa einai na yparxei mia koinwnikh forologikh dikaiosynh. Na plhrwnoyn aytoi poy prepei na plhrwnoyn kai na elafrynqoyn oi oikonomika adynamoi.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Gioyngker, se prosfath dhlwsh toy, kalese toys Ellhnes polites na kanoyn koyragio. Pws prepei na to metafrasw ayto;

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw th dhlwsh toy k. Gioygker.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa erqoyn nea metra; Gi` ayto proetoimazei toys Ellhnes polites gia kati; Nea metra litothtas, neoi foroi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, eimaste jekaqaroi pros thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Exoyme sxedio - kai apofasistikothta- to opoio to paroysiazoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite pws qa organwsete merika pragmata; Gia to pws qa organwsete ton koinwniko dialogo, pws qa jekinhsei, ti prwtoboylies qa parete; Mporeite, twra, na mas peite kati;

PETALWTHS: Apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras qa ginei h enarjh kai qa oristei kai h diadikasia toy megaloy aytoy eqnikoy koinwnikoy dialogoy.

TOYMASHS: Symmerizeste thn apoch toy Mimh Androylakh poy dhmosieyqhke sth xqesinh ``Real News'' gia anagkaiothta metejelijhs ths kybernhshs se kybernhsh eqnikhs anagkhs panw sth bash mias sygkybernhshs, alla kai gia to sxolio toy, (den akoygetai) kybernhtika stelexh basei toy biografikoy, ``qerizeis o,ti sperneis, sperneis kriqari, qerizeis kriqari''.

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy k. Androylakh.

GIANNISHS: Blepoyme oti yparxei enas neos gyros dieqnwn dhmosieymatwn, symfwna me ta opoia h kybernhsh ofeilei na mhn antapokriqei stis proeklogikes ths desmeyseis, dedomenoy oti h oikonomikh katastash ths xwras brisketai se ejairetika deinh qesh. Qewreite oti ayta ta dhmosieymata sto dieqnh Typo ekporeyontai apo kapoia kentra, ta opoia qeloyn na apostaqeropoihsoyn to programma ayto ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: H eyqynh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, me bash tis proeklogikes ths desmeyseis, einai: Proxwrame, briskontas, synantwntas poly megalyteres dyskolies apo aytes poy perimenoyme, alla oi proeklogikes mas desmeyseis einai safeis, einai rhtes. Exoyme sygkekrimenh entolh apo ton ellhniko lao kai sto plaisio toy dynatoy tis ylopoioyme.

SOFIANOS: An moy epitrepete, na pame stoys omogeneis mas. O Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Koybelhs eixe mia synanthsh, xqes, to Sabbatokyriako, me to SAE kai eipe oti qa proxwrhsoyme sthn chfo twn apodhmwn me anoixth diaboyleysh, opws kai me ta ypoloipa nomosxedia. Se ayth th diaboyleysh qa symmetasxei to SAE. Profanws, oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn h oi ekproswpoi kommatwn, opws mas exete pei eseis. Foreis ths omogeneias, qa symmetexoyn;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Dhmosia diaboyleysh gia thn chfo twn omogenwn, xwris toys foreis ths omogeneias, den qa mporoyse na einai dynath.

MAKRYGIANNHS: An kai einai proeklogikh sas desmeysh o eklogikos nomos me bash to germaniko montelo, fainetai oti apo th Nea Dhmokratia den qa yparjei antapokrish, toylaxiston opws diafainetai kai apo dhlwseis toy k. Samara. Qa epimeinei h kybernhsh kai pote qa paroysiasei to sxedio ths, thn protash ths gia ton eklogiko nomo;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qa epimeinei. Emeis, qeloyme na allajei o eklogikos nomos poy, en pollois, kaqorizei kai th dhmosia dioikhsh kai ta politika pragmata ths xwras mas. Qa jekinhsei mia megalh dhmosia diaboyleysh. Qa yparxei prosklhsh eyqynhs sta kommata toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, etsi wste na exoyme enan eklogiko nomo, o opoios qa einai enas nomos poy qa ekfrazei th boylhsh twn Ellhnwn politwn kai thn aytonomia twn boyleytwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epi toy qematos: To nomo gia ta oikonomika twn kommatwn qa ton symperilabete mesa ston eklogiko nomo h qa einai ena jexwristo nomosxedio; Poies einai oi skeceis ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Ean yparjei skech ths kybernhshs panw se ayto to qema, qa anakoinwqei.

TOYMASHS: Emperiexetai stis kybernhtikes proqeseis na katateqei protash gia systash Ejetastikhs twn pragmatwn Epitrophs gia thn ypoqesh Siemens; Gia tis paranomies h xorhghseis adeiwn se bytiofora h gia to qema domhmenwn omologwn, poy xarakthristhke apo ton Typo meqodos lehlasias twn apoqematikwn twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn;

PETALWTHS: Se oses periptwseis eixame desmeyqei prin apo tis ekloges oti qa zhthsoyme th systash Ejetastikwn Epitropwn, ayto qa ginei. H deyterh periptwsh poy anaferate gia ta bytiofora, einai mia diaforetikh periptwsh. Opws plhroforhqhkame, exei katafqasei aithma apo ton armodio eisaggelea sth Boylh, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei ean yparxei poiniko adikhma poy exei telestei apo Ypoyrgoys ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Kai fysika, akoloyqeitai h nomimh diadikasia.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ep` aytoy, ti stash qa thrhsei h kybernhtikh pleiochfia; Dhladh, qa kanei dekto to aithma toy eisaggelea; Exete eseis kapoia stash ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Katanoeite oti einai qema dikografias kai to ti stoixeia qa prokycoyn apo ekei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se periptwsh poy sth Synodo Koryfhs poy ginetai, thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi dwsoyn hmeromhnia entajhs sthn PGDM, ti stash qa krathsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena qema, to opoio qa to ejetasoyme otan teqei kai malista syntoma. Gia to qema twn Skopiwn, h eqnikh kokkinh grammh isxyei pantote kai den prokeitai na apostoyme apo aythn.

TOYMASHS: Panw se ayto. Ti apanta h ellhnikh kybernhsh ston k. Erntogan, poy thn kalese na mhn asxoleitai me ashmanta zhthmata, opws ayto ths onomasias ths PGDM, ws ``Makedonia''. Dhladh, symmerizeste h apodokimazete, aporriptontas to olo skeptiko toy k. Erntogan;

PETALWTHS: To qema ths onomasias kai ths politikhs mas apenanti sto qema ths onomasias, einai kaqara dikh mas politikh. H eqnikh kokkinh grammh, thn opoia epebale to PASOK kai th symmeristhke h megalyterh merida toy politikoy kosmoy, isxye kai qa isxyei aparegklita.

Sas eyxaristw.


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