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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-05-04

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 4 Maioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 265696377

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Maioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh elabe sygkekrimenes apofaseis gia thn oristikh ejodo ths xwras apo th dinh ths krishs. Oi apofaseis aytes, sklhres alla apolytws anagkaies, elhfqhsan me mono gnwmona th swthria ths xwras kai th biwsimothta ths oikonomias mas. Me to programma oikonomikhs politikhs, to opoio katatiqetai shmera sth Boylh, h xwra mas qa mporesei na ejasfalisei apo ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs to megalytero meros twn daneiakwn kefalaiwn poy exei anagkh gia ta epomena tria xronia. Epiprosqeta, aytos o eyrwpaikos mhxanismos mas dinei to xrono poy mas steroyn oi agores, prokeimenoy na proboyme se oles ekeines tis krisimes diarqrwtikes allages poy exei anagkh o topos. Allages poy qa mas epitrecoyn na bgoyme pio grhgora kai me ligoteres apwleies apo thn krish kai telika qa mas dwsoyn thn wqhsh gia na ftiajoyme mia nea kalyterh Ellada.

Parallhla, omws, h kybernhsh ergazetai kai pros thn kateyqynsh ths ejygianshs toy dhmosioy bioy se dyo epipeda.

" Prwton, sto politiko epipedo. Se anypopto xrono apeyqynqhkame pros toys polites -kathgorhqhkame malista gia apoprosanatolismo tote- kai tonisame thn anagkh na kinhqoyn oi diadikasies gia th systash Ejetastikwn Epitropwn gia ola ta qemata poy plhgwsan to politiko systhma kai apajiwsan thn politikh sta matia twn politwn. Dinoyme prwtoi to paradeigma, to dwsame hdh, pws epiqymoyme thn plhrh dialeykansh olwn aytwn twn ypoqesewn. Einai o monos tropos gia na kerdisoyme kai pali thn empistosynh twn politwn. H ejygiansh poy epiqymei h koinwnia jekinhse kai eprepe na jekinhsei edw kai poly kairo, apo toys idioys toys politikoys. Den mporoyme, omws, na menoyme ekei.

" Proxwrame kai sto deytero epipedo, opoy einai ejisoy isxyrh h apaithsh ths Politeias, alla kai ths koinwnias na ekleicoyn pantelws epiteloys fainomena diafqoras, xrhmatismoy, paranomoy ploytismoy kai pronomiakwn xeirismwn poy proerxontai apo kratikoys leitoyrgoys kai dhmosioys ypallhloys. Fainomena poy exoyn ameso antiktypo sthn kaqhmerinothta olwn twn politwn kai ejorgizoyn oloys toys entimoys polites. Exei hdh zhthqei apo ola ta ypoyrgeia na katagracoyn oles aytes tis periptwseis, wste na dromologhqoyn oi aparaithtes ejelijeis.

Eimaste apofasismenoi, dinontas prwtoi to paradeigma, jekinwntas apo thn politikh zwh kai sta dyo ayta epipeda na parameinoyme ameiliktoi kai anypoxwrhtoi. Einai kati poy to zhta h koinwnia.

Stis dyskoles aytes peristaseis poy biwnei h koinwnia mas, einai anagkh sysswmh h politikh hgesia toy topoy na analabei tis eyqynes ths apenanti stoys polites kai na epikentrwqei oysiastika kai oxi mono kat` epifash, ston eqniko mas stoxo, poy den einai allos apo thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, mesa apo th gennhsh kai th dhmioyrgia mias neas Elladas. H epanekkinhsh ayth, omws, den mporei na ginei me saqra ylika kai ylika toy parelqontos. Den mporei na xtistei sth bash ths amoibaias amfibolias kai kaxypocias, metajy ths Politeias kai twn politwn.

Twra einai h pio krisimh kamph gia ton ellhnismo. Shmera kaloymaste kai mesa apo tis epwdynes, polles fores, apofaseis, oloi na apodeijoyme poia Ellada qeloyme na xtisoyme kai poia qeloyme na afhsoyme pisw oristika.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Me aformh ayta poy eipate, parakoloyqoyme tis teleytaies hmeres thn en genei apajiwsh toy politikoy mas systhmatos, me fainomena dhmosias apopomphs twn boyleytwn, opws gia paradeigma toy k. Kaklamanh kai toy k. Boylgarakh, deigmata aganakthshs toy laoy, apenanti sth shmerinh katantia toy topoy mas. Skeftetai h kybernhsh amesa - kai otan lew amesa qelw an ginetai kai me sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia h kapoion allo xroniko prosdiorismo- na proteinei th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyn oi ypeyqynoi ths shmerinhs katantias toy topoy mas ston Eisaggelea kai sth synexeia na paroyn kai thn poreia toys pros tis fylakes opoioi kai an ftaine;

PETALWTHS: Apoch mas einai oti qa prepei na apajiwnoyme tis politikes kai oxi toys politikoys ws proswpa syllhbdhn. Opoioi politikoi, ws proswpa exoyn paranomhsei kai exoyn blacei to dhmosio symferon, qa prepei na katagrafei, na apotypwqei kai mesa apo tis Ejetastikes Epitropes na toys katalogistoyn eyqynes. Omws, oi politikes einai aytes poy dhmioyrgoyn kai epitrepoyn sta proswpa, stoys politikoys na symperiferontai me ayto ton tropo pros toys polites kai pros thn Politeia. Xreos olwn mas, loipon, olwn twn politikwn dynamewn einai na epixeirhsoyme na anatrecoyme ayto to klima. Einai sto xeri mas, to exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos polles fores, na metatrecoyme thn krish se eykairia. Kai einai mia eykairia kai se ayto to epipedo na janadoyme to politiko systhma ths xwras mas ypo to prisma ths diafaneias, ths ajiokratias kai ths katadikhs tetoioy eidoys symperiforwn poy edeijan h qa deijoyn sto mellon politika proswpa.

Apo ekei kai pera, opws eipa kai sthn eishghsh moy, emeis kinoymaste se dyo epipeda -se anypopto xrono apo shmera kai eixame kathgorhqei gi` ayto, ypenqymizw- eixame proteinei kai apofasisthke apo th Boylh me dikh mas prwtoboylia, na systaqoyn Ejetastikes Epitropes poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn idia thn politikh zwh, poy exoyn na kanoyn me th diafaneia kai malista se periptwseis opoy kapoioi elegan oti den qa tolmhsoyme ws PASOK, giati piqanon na aggizan kai dika mas stelexh. Hdh dyo Epitropes, h Epitroph gia to Batopaidi kai h Epitroph gia th Siemens briskontai pros oloklhrwsh. Qa yparxei argotera Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia, gia na fanei kai na katadeixqei poioi htan aytoi oi opoioi odhghsan th xwra mas se ayto to epipedo kai poioi einai ypeyqynoi gia thn anagkaiothta epibolhs tetoiwn metrwn, opws einai ta shmerina.

SIDERHS: O prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, o Kwstas Shmiths, eixe dwsei entolh kapote na ginontai pio syntoma oi dikes poy apasxoloyn poly thn koinh gnwmh. Par` ola ayta blepoyme dikes, diereynhtikes ergasies ths Dikaiosynhs, opws sthn ypoqesh twn omologwn, na kaqysteroyn. Apo thn allh o laos, estw kai me qymiko tropo zhtaei edw kai twra apodosh dikaiosynhs. Giati h kybernhsh den analambanei mia prwtoboylia na syntomeysoyn akomh aytes oi dikes poy einai koinoy endiaferontos kai aptontai kai ths politikhs zwhs kai toy qymikoy twn politwn kai qa dwsoyn sto lao mia aisqhsh oti h Dikaiosynh yparxei gi` aytoys poy egklhmathsan;

PETALWTHS: Hdh h kybernhsh diereyna tropoys, etsi wste na epitaxynqei h diadikasia aponomhs dikaiosynhs se ypoqeseis eidika dhmosioy symferontos, eyryteroy dhmosioy symferontos, oxi omws ypoqeseis, opws eipate, poy aforoyn thn koinh gnwmh. Giati tote kindyneyoyme na diolisqhsoyme alloy. Alla, se ypoqeseis oi opoies aforoyn dhmosio symferon, dhmosio xrhma h Dikaiosynh pragmatika qa prepei na syntomeyei tis diadikasies ths, xwris na anqistatai apo thn oysia bebaiws ths aponomhs Dikaiosynhs, giati exoyme ypoxrewsh apenanti stoys polites na proaspizoyme to dhmosio symferon. Gnwrizoyme, bebaiws, oti yparxoyn paqogeneies sthn aponomh ths Dikaiosynhs. Hdh, opws gnwrizoyme, h xwra mas exei katadikastei polles fores kai apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia th bradythta aponomhs Dikaiosynhs. Ayto exei na kanei me tis synqhkes aponomhs Dikaiosynhs, me ton ariqmo twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn, me to pws doyleyoyn ta dikasthria. Eimaste oloi ypeyqynoi. H kybernhsh, fysika, se o,ti thn afora kai mexri to shmeio poy einai oi armodiothtes ths, kata to Syntagma, qa kanei ta panta, etsi wste aytes oi ypoqeseis na teleiwnoyn kai na oloklhrwnoyn th diereynhsh toys, sto syntomotero dynato xroniko shmeio.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhladh - an katalabainw kala- molis bgei to porisma gia to Batopaidi kai th Siemens, amesws meta qa jekinhsoyn oi diadikasies gia thn Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai apofash ths Boylhs, den mporw na sas to pw egw twra. Pantws, shmera...

MIXAHL: Oxi, san kybernhsh rwtw to ejhs: Qelete amesws meta h Boylh na dwsei to enarkthrio laktisma gia na jekinhsei h Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia h gia tis alles ekkremoyses aithseis toy GERMANOY kai toy OTE;

PETALWTHS: Aytes qa dromologhqoyn kai qa ginei h ajiologhsh toys xronika. Tiqentai kai alles parametroi mesa se aytes tis ypoqeseis, alla epeidh anaferqhka gia thn Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia, einai proteraiothta mas na oloklhrwqei h diereynhsh ths oikonomias kai sto poioi eftaijan.

MIXAHL: Epishs, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Se mia stigmh kata thn opoia h politikh antiparaqesh enteinetai gyrw apo tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs gia ta metra poy phre, se mia stigmh kata thn opoia den diafainetai h synainesh poy apaiteite kai zhteite eseis, se mia stigmh poy to kaqe komma proseggizei me th dikh toy apoch kai th dikh toy strathgikh kai th dikh toy taktikh, an qelete, olh thn katastash, to na erqei mia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia, h opoia mporei na einai aparaithth, den nomizete oti qa fortisei yperbolika to politiko klima kai mporei na qesei en amfibolw thn ``epityxia'' toy programmatos poy eseis anakoinwsate twra kai prepei na efarmosete me th symfwnh gnwmh toy D.N.T.;

PETALWTHS: Edw exoyme na kanoyme me ypeyqynes politikes dynameis. Oi ypeyqynes politikes dynameis den exoyn na fobhqoyn tipote - efoson fysika kat` oysia den exoyn na fobhqoyn- apo mia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia h opoiadhpote Ejetastikh Epitroph. Apo aytes tis Ejetastikes h apo opoiadhpote diereynhsh ypoqeshs, exoyn na fobhqoyn mono osoi enexontai kai osoi eyqynontai gia paraleiceis h gia prajeis poy eblacan sto dhmosio symferon. En onomati enos klimatos synaineshs -to opoio einai poly amfibolo, ws pros tis proseggiseis me tis opoies ginetai, analoga me tis politikes dynameis- den qa afhsoyme na paragrafoyn kai dikonomika, alla kai oysiastika, eyqynes politikwn proswpwn. Tote qa eimaste synypeyqynoi gia thn isopedwsh, gia thn apokrych stoixeiwn enoxhs politikwn proswpwn. Kai ayto emeis den qa epitrecoyme se kanenan na to kanei.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh oi Ejetastikes kyrie Ekproswpe, sxedon pote den bgazoyn apotelesma kai sxedon kanenas politikos den timwreitai, skeftetai h kybernhsh na analabei prwtoboylia, poy mallon eprepe na exei analhfqei xqes, gia thn allagh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn;

PETALWTHS: Den symfwnw oti oi Ejetastikes Epitropes den bgazoyn tipote. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes Ejetastikes Epitropes, opws h Epitroph gia to Batopaidi, gia paradeigma, poy anedeije tis eyqynes politikwn proswpwn ths kybernhshs Karamanlh. Kai mporei na mhn odhghqhke sto apotelesma poy eprepe na odhghqei, alla ayto ofeiletai sth stash ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy egkateleice ta edrana toy Koinoboylioy dyo fores, giati emeis eixame zhthsei na systaqei Proanakritikh Epitroph. Ean systhnontan Proanakritikh Epitroph tote h Epitroph gia to Batopaidi hdh qa eixe oloklhrwsei to ergo ths sth Boylh, me th systash ths Proanakritikhs Epitrophs kai qa eixame hdh apotelesma. Ara, den mporoyme na poyme oti den prosferoyn oi Ejetastikes Epitropes. Oi Ejetastikes Epitropes prosferoyn, efoson oi politikes dynameis kai kyriws h pleiochfia epiqymei na pesei fws stis ypoqeseis poy diereynoyn. Ws pros to nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn syntagmatika zhthmata. Emeis ta ejetazoyme. Alla einai safes oti pisteyoyme oti h Politeia prepei na exei apenanti stoys ypoyrgoys thn idia stash poy exei apenanti ston aplo Ellhna polith.

PAPPA: Ep` aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe: O k. Benizelos xqes, milwntas sthn paroysiash toy biblioy toy k. Bgontza, eipe oti den qa mporoyse na symbei ayto, na antimetwpizetai o politikos opws o aplos Ellhnas poliths, giati an synebaine ayto, kaqe kybernhtikh apofash qa eprepe na htan kai mia parapomph. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

PETALWTHS: Symfwnw s` ayto kai egw den eipa kati diaforetiko. To pneyma einai, omws, to idio: Oti den ginontai diakriseis, den qa prepei na ginontai diakriseis. Kapoies eggyhseis tis parexei oytws h allws to Syntagma, etsi wste na mh ginoyme ena aperanto dikasthrio politikwn. Ean isopedwnontan ta panta, den qa eixame na kanoyme me tipote allo, para me dikes politikwn. Ayto, omws, apexei poly apo to na yparxoyn syntomes paragrafes gia toys politikoys, oi opoies qetoyn en amfibolw to klima empistosynhs twn politwn pros toys politikoys.

MIXAHL: Gia thn kybernhsh, yparxei qema ayjhmenhs pleiochfias sth Boylh gia thn egkrish ths symfwnias poy epeteyxqh; Dioti, egkritoi syntagmatologoi lene oti den tiqetai tetoio qema, wstoso politikes dynameis, maqainoyme oti qa to hqelan h skeptontai na to zhthsoyn. H kybernhsh gia logoys politikoys kai oxi mono diadikastikoys kai typikoys apo ton kanonismo kai to Syntagma, einai diateqeimenh na mpei se mia tetoia syzhthsh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qa ferei pros chfish to en logw nomosxedio, to programma oikonomikhs politikhs poy qa katateqei shmera, etsi opws orizei to Syntagma. Qa to ferei kai qa doyme me poion tropo, me poia diadikasia, symfwna me ton kanonismo ths Boylhs, qa erqei se syzhthsh.

KOYTRAS: Qa yparjei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia toys boyleytes toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai qema kommatikhs peiqarxias giati, oytws h allws, den yparxoyn endeijeis oti yparxoyn boyleytes oi opoioi afistantai. Oi boyleytes exoyn thn aytoteleia toys, thn anejarthsia toys, thn aytonomh skech toys mesa sto plaisio toy kommatos poy anhkoyn. Omws, den exoyme akoysei kai kamia fwnh boyleyth mas poy na einai kata aytoy toy programmatos oikonomikhs politikhs, giati h anagkaiothta toy, oytws h allws, den amfisbhthqhke apo kanenan.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Parathroyme oti meta thn anakoinwsh twn metrwn oi antidraseis kai oi diamartyries klimakwnontai. Ayrio, h xwra qa nekrwsei. Pws qa antidrasei h kybernhsh, efoson oles aytes oi diamartyries qa entaqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Oi diamartyries kai oi apergies einai dikaiwma toy kaqe ergazomenoy, toy kaqe polith ths xwras mas. Emeis katanooyme thn agwnia kai thn orgh twn pollwn politwn, oi opoioi plhrwnoyn thn krish xwris na exoyn ftaijei. Ayto, omws, poy katanoei kai o ellhnikos laos einai oti den eixame kamia allh enallaktikh lysh apo to na thrhsoyme ayth thn politikh symperifora me eyqythta, apofasistikothta kai pistoi sto eqniko xreos poy mas epiballei to kaqhkon mas ws kybernhsh. Eimaste anoixtoi pros ton ellhniko lao, eimaste eilikrineis, toy eipame thn alhqeia. Pote den toy thn apokrycame. Ean kapoioi mas kathgoroyn oti legame alla pragmata prin apo ligo xroniko diasthma, agnooyn oti ta dedomena poy eixame, kaqe fora, htan diaforetika kai trexonta.

Ayto, o ellhnikos laos to antilambanetai. Antilambanetai oti xwris na kanoyme aytes tis qysies -anejarthta poios eftaije gia thn krish- den mporoyme na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish kai oti einai mia eykairia na pame mprosta ws xwra. Bebaiws, qa prepei na to antilhfqoyn kai oi politikes dynameis, oi opoies h briskontai se amhxania kapoies apo aytes kai den jeroyn ti na kanoyn ws pros ayto h exoyn analabei ergolabika na ekproswpoyn, ypotiqetai, to symferon twn ergazomenwn.

SPANOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pro mhnwn h kybernhsh eixe anadeijei to qema giatrwn toy Kolwnakioy, oi opoioi dhlwnan eisodhmata peinas. Qelw na rwthsw, ean exei syllhfqei kapoios apo aytoys.

PETALWTHS: Opws eipa kai sthn eisagwgh moy, emeis th diafqora kai th Dikaiosynh kai to aisqhma ths atimwrhsias to blepoyme se dyo epipeda. Se epipedo politikwn alla kai se epipedo atimwrhsias kratikwn leitoyrgwn h en pash periptwsei leitoyrgwn oi opoioi askoyn estw kai eleyqero epaggelma, opws einai oi en logw giatroi kai oi opoioi, oysiastika, apokryptontas ta forologika toys esoda, epiferoyn thn idia shmantikh blabh pros to ellhniko Dhmosio. Meletoyme oles tis periptwseis, opoy exoyn katalhfqei na ginontai tetoioy eidoys parabaseis, gia na elegjoyme kai thn ejelijh ths poreias twn ypoqesewn aytwn.

SIDERHS: Xqes, egine mia katalhch sthn NET. Epi eparatoy, otan eixe ginei mia katalhch gia to qanato toy 16xronoy Alejh, o ypeyqynos toy PASOK gia ta MME k. Xythrhs eixe pei oti parakoloyqoyme th dialysh ths dhmosias thleorashs se apeyqeias syndesh. Xqes egine kati diaforetiko;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, einai dyo diaforetikes periptwseis. Kai den qa sxoliasw to ti egine tote. Ekeino, omws, poy mporw na pw oti egine me thn ERT einai oti, kapoioi thn Pagkosmia Hmera ths Eleyqerotypias poy eortazotan xqes, thn ejelaban oti mporoyn, ypotiqetai yperaspizomenoi ergasiaka symferonta, na kaqorizoyn tis eidhseis poy qa problhqoyn apo ena dhmosio kanali. Einai ypeyqynoi, einai ypologoi gia th symperifora toys kai gia thn apajiwsh ths dhmosias zwhs kai twn politwn poy parakoloyqoyn h den parakoloyqoyn to sygkekrimeno kanali.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate gia dedomena poy allazan kaqe fora kai profanws kaqorizan thn kybernhtikh politikh se sxesh me ta metra kai to xeirismo ths oikonomias. Symfwna kai me dhlwseis toy k. Probopoyloy kai h pleyra toy PASOK otan htan bebaiws ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, alla kai amesws meta molis anelabe, gnwrize oti ta basika dedomena ths ellhnikhs oikonomias peristrefontan gyrw apo ena megalo elleimma kai apo ena megalo, epishs, xreos. Ara, giati kaqysterhse toso poly h kybernhsh na kinhqei; Ti htan ayto poy allaje apo tis 10, 15 Oktwbrioy, molis antilhfqhkate pws exei h katastash, mexri thn wra poy phrate kapoia metra, afoy eixe jespasei sto metajy h daneiakh krish ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, paralabame thn ellhnikh oikonomia otan to typiko elleimma kai ayto poy mas anakoinwqhke apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias anerxotan sto 6%. Fqasame na to doyme shmera se pragmatikes katastaseis, se pragmatikoys ariqmoys ws pososto, gyrw sto 14%. Mia terastia apoklish, h opoia dikaiologei kai olh ayth thn politikh poy askhsame olo ayto to xroniko diasthma. Anakalyptoyme oti to xreos mas anamenetai na jeperasei to prwtofanes pososto toy 140% toy AEP. Oi daneiakes mas anagkes, loipon, einai terasties. Parakoloyqoysame tis agores kai thn ejelijh ths diaforas toy epitokioy, etsi wste na jeroyme pws mporoyme na daneistoyme kai otan mporoyme na daneistoyme. Otan pleon ayto ektinaxqhke sta ych, prospaqhsame, kataferame kai katorqwsame na ejasfalisoyme th systash toy eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy sthrijhs. Den kaqysterhsame kaqoloy.

Emeis apo thn prwth stigmh kai eidika o Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas, kanontas ena maraqwnio dromo se eyrwpaiko kai se pagkosmio epipedo, dhlwne se oloys toys hgetes, me toys opoioys erxotan se epafh kai syzhtoyse, oti qa prepei na katanohsoyn pws to problhma ths Elladas se ligo qa einai eyrwpaiko kai pagkosmio problhma.

Yphrxan kaqysterhseis kai apo toys etairoys mas. Parola ayta, kataferame na fqasoyme se ayto to shmeio, mesa apo poly doyleia kai melethmenh skech. Den yphrxe kamia kaqysterhsh. Kaqe fora ta dedomena allazan. Kai na sas pw ena dedomeno, to opoio allaze ana diasthmata: H ypobaqmish ths xwras mas prin apo liges hmeres kai h ypobaqmish ennea megalwn ellhnikwn trapezwn. Ara kai h politikh symperifora kai h antimetwpish ths kybernhshs qa eprepe na einai diaforetikh. Kai ``eytyxws'' fqasame se ayto to shmeio poy eimaste shmera.

MAKRYGIANNHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy milhse gia Titaniko apo ton Dekembrio, otan ta speads htan sto 130. Nwritera, o k. Papandreoy eixe milhsei gia prwtofanes elleimma to opoio parelabe h kybernhsh. Ofeilate na gnwrizete, loipon, oti apo ton Oktwbrio, ton Noembrio estw, oti paralambanete ayth thn katastash kai na problecete ti mporei na symbainei. To 12,7 anakoinwqhke poly prin teleiwsei h xronia kai enw ta spreads akomh kai mexri ta mesa Ianoyarioy htan xamhla. Giati, loipon, den speysate na daneisteite ta anagkaia posa gia fetos, oytws wste na exete thn anesh toy xronoy kai afhsate olh ayth thn krish, thn oikonomikh krish poy paralabate dhladh, na metatrapei sthn poreia toy xronoy kai se daneiakh krish, poy mas efere se ayto to shmeio kai epebale kai to DNT sth xwra mas;

PETALWTHS: Makari na htan toso aploika kai na legame oti kaname mia paraleich kai den daneisthkame. Oi synqhkes, omws, sthn oikonomia, se dhmosionomiko epipedo kai stis agores, einai poly polyplokes kai poly synqetes. Emeis, oyte gia mia stigmh den afhsame thn oikonomia thn tyxh ths. Parakoloyqoysame kai parakoloyqoyme kaqe stigmh kaqe ejelijh. Einai omws antilhpto oti den eimaste monoi mas ston kosmo ayto, oyte qa mporoysame na daneistoyme apo opoy qeloyme, opoio poso qeloyme kai me opoio epitokio qelame. Kai oyte einai logikh to oti yphrxe xamhlo spread, ara eprepe na daneistoyme tote. Ola ayta einai synarthsh pollwn paragontwn. Kai eytyxws, h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe tis keraies ths shkwmenes kai ta matia orqanoixta kai me mia ajiopistia, thn opoia katakthsame en tw metajy, giati den thn eixame, mporoyme shmera kai fqanoyme se ayto to epipedo. Na mporoyme na daneistoyme ena poso, prwtofanes gia ta dieqnh dedomena, etsi wste na mporoyme na bgaloyme pera kai tis daneiakes mas anagkes, peran olwn twn allwn.

KOYTRAS: O k. Probopoylos, xqes, htan sygkekrimenos. Dhladh, eipe oti eixe enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn se ayth thn perifhmh synanthsh kai eixe kanei kai to idio kai me ton k. Karamanlh. Eixe pei, loipon, oti ean den lhfqoyn metra amesa -ayto eipe o k. Probopoylos xqes to brady- to elleimma qa jeperasei to 12%. To epibebaiwnete, to diaceydete; Kai an to epibebaiwnete, einai ligo ewla ayta poy mas lete. Giati, an mia kybernhsh poy paralambanei, gnwrizei oti qa exei elleimma 12% apo ton Septembrh kai den pairnei kanena metro ews ekeinh thn wra, nomizw oti einai ypologh.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ej oswn gnwrizw, o k. Probopoylos, sthn enhmerwsh poy ekane ton Septembrio, dhladh ligo prin tis ekloges, eipe oti to elleimma einai 6% alla ean den lhfqoyn metra, qa aggijei dichfio pososto. Den milhse gia 12% kai poly perissotero den gnwrizame oti qa fqasoyme sto 14%. Ayta htan qewrhtika. Sthn prajh exei shmasia ti brhkame emeis kai pws xeiristhkame to zhthma. Oyte o monadikos paragontas ths krishs poy pername einai to elleimma. Einai to xreos, einai h dhmosia dioikhsh, einai to kratos. Synepws, otan jekinhsame na kinhtopoihsoyme tis diadikasies gia ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, eixame sygkekrimena dedomena. Kai ta dedomena ayta, den ta antilhfqhkame twra. Ta antilhfqhkame prin apo mhnes, opoy omws dwsame mia terastia maxh, etsi wste na mporoyme na exoyme ena mhxanismo sthrijhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Skeftetai h kybernhsh thn epibolh ektakths eisforas stoys eleyqeroys epaggelmaties;

PETALWTHS: Yphrxe mia skech se mia syzhthsh, h opoia den yioqethqhke. Oi eleyqeroi epaggelmaties mporoyn na syneisferoyn kai prepei na syneisferoyn, oxi fysika mono eqelontika. Emeis, hdh, exoyme qesei se efarmogh ena forologiko systhma, to opoio toys epiballei na dhlwnoyn ta eisodhmata poy lambanoyn me tis apodeijeis -opoy anagkazontai pleon na ekdidoyn apodeijeis- kai ayto fainetai kai apo ta forologika esoda kai thn eisprajh toy FPA. Kai bebaiws, sto xeri twn eleyqerwn epaggelmatiwn, oi opoioi prepei na sthrijoyn thn oikonomia ths xwras, gia na sthrixqei fysika kai h dikh toys oikonomia, einai kai to qema twn timwn, opoy ekei qa prepei na yparxei kai mia meiwsh toys.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, alla o k. Loberdos xqes eipe oti qa epiblhqei ektakth eisfora.

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos eipe oti egine mia syzhthsh. Kai egw sas dieykrinizw oti egine mia syzhthsh gia to qema ayto, alla ayth h protash den yioqethqhke.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy, ligo argotera, eipe oti einai anoixto ayto to qema.

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy eipe oti syzhthqhke kai den apofasisthke.

TSAKIRHS: Den eipe tetoio pragma. Eipe oti syzhteitai to qema, ejetazetai.

PETALWTHS: Egw sas anaferw oti egine mia syzhthsh kai den yioqethqhke.

KOYTRAS: Poios ta proteine; Einai ypoyrgwn, einai toy k. Papakwnstantinoy;

PETALWTHS: Den exei shmasia. H kybernhsh einai eniaia kai leitoyrgei syllogika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws epidideste ws kybernhsh sthn texnh ths diasporas toy foboy kai ths tromokratias ths koinhs gnwmhs;

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy. Akribws to antiqeto qeloyme na kanoyme. Qeloyme na kamcoyme ayto to klima panikoy kai foboy, to opoio yparxei kai diaxeetai. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, ayth h dhlwsh moy katateinei pros ayto.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ma, eseis to diaspeirate. Dhladh, o ypoyrgos leei ti egine se mia koybenta; Mhpws etsi...

PETALWTHS: ``Eseis to diaspeirate'', ennoeite egw ayth th stigmh;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, o k. Loberdos to diespeire xqes.

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos metefere mia syzhthsh poy egine. Kai sas lew thn telikh apofash ths kybernhshs na mhn yioqethqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mhpws etsi egine kai me ton 13o kai ton 14o misqo, poy ypotiqetai oti mphke sto trapezi, alla opws eipan oi ekproswpoi toy DNT den zhthqhke pote...

PETALWTHS: Den ``ypotiqetai''. Profanws, den parakoloyqhsate thn teleytaia synenteyjh toy ekproswpoy toy DNT. Emeis exoyme stoixeia oti, para oloys aytoys poy elegan oti htan epikoinwniako trik h perikoph toy 13oy kai 14oy misqoy, mphke apo thn arxh kai kat` apolyto tropo sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn. Kai akomh liges hmeres protoy na kleisei h symfwnia, h Troika epemene sto na kopei o 13os kai o 14os misqos kai proteine na doqei ws mponoys. Ayto, htan mia katakthsh ths kybernhshs sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn kai me proswpikh malista symbolh kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ti stoixeia, dhladh, kasetes, praktika, kryfh kamera; Ti eixate; Qa mas ta dwsete, qelw na pw;

PETALWTHS: Thn kryfh kamera;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ma, eipan oi anqrwpoi oti den mphke pote.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti xqes o ekproswpos toy DNT dhlwse oti etiqeto ws zhthma. Na to jekaqarisoyme: Apo thn arxh teqhke. Etiqeto kata diasthmata entonotata. Sthn arxh me apolyto tropo kai meta me diaforetiko tropo. Emeis, omws, me logika epixeirhmata peisame oti den yparxei kamia anagkh, kanenas logos na kopei o 13os kai o 14os misqos ston idiwtiko tomea, ton opoio qelame na prostateysoyme.

SIDERHS: Se ena allo qema. H Akropolh den einai oyte ERT, oyte kapoia dhmosia yphresia. Einai mnhmeio kai anhkei sthn pagkosmia politistikh klhronomia. Qewreite oti shmera bebhlwqhke; Kai an nai, ti ekane h ypeyqynh kybernhsh ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Den qa milhsw mono gia thn Akropolh. Symfwnw me ayta poy lete oti einai mnhmeio politismoy to opoio sebetai olh h anqrwpothta. Ayto omws to entassw - kai qa moy epitrecete giati einai tetoies oi stigmes - mesa sto genikotero plaisio toy toyrismoy, isws toy monadikoy proiontos poy mas emeine se aytes tis dyskoles kai krisimes epoxes poy mporei na apoferei shmantika esoda sth xwra kai na dwsei doyleia se dekades xiliadwn ergazomenwn, eite einai sth naytilia, eite einai ston toyrismo, eite asxoloyntai me toyristika epaggelmata. O toyrismos, loipon, shmainei esoda, shmainei doyleia, shmainei anaptyjh. Dystyxws to PAME exei analabei kat ergolabia thn yponomeysh toy toyrismoy. Kai ayto ginetai me thn eyqynh toy KKE, antidrwntas sthn apobibash toyristwn sto limani toy Peiraia, bebhlwnontas thn Akropolh - shmera malista o ekproswpos Typoy toy KKE se parembash poy ekane se prwinh ekpomph ths NET moy eipe oti egw ceydomai kai oti den egine katalhch ths Akropolhs. Osoi omws menoyme sthn Aqhna kai osoi blepoyme thleorash kai exoyme eikona, eidame dyo terastia pano me thn ypografh toy KKE, polles kokkines shmaies, mia eikona kaqe allo para elkystikh gia toys toyristes. H dysfhmish gia thn xwra mas einai terastia. To KKE -kai to PAME- einai ypologo gia ta esoda poy xanontai apo ton toyrismo h gia tis doyleies poy xanoyn oi ergazomenoi ston toyrismo olo ayto to diasthma, kai qa prepei na apologhqei gi` ayto. H kybernhsh prospaqei na parakoloyqei kai na dra me isorropia, synesh kai cyxraimia. Alla, h anagkh katadikhs tetoiwn fainomenwn kai tetoioy eidoys ypotiqetai aktibistikwn prajewn einai entonotath kai pisteyw oti qa prepei na th symmeristoyn oles oi politikes dynameis.

GIANNISHS : Se ena qema poy anaferqhkate sthn arxh sxetika me thn entolh pros ola ta ypoyrgeia na katagracoyn tis periptwseis diafqoras. Ayth einai mia diadikasia poy qa epitaxynqei; Zhthsate apo ta ypoyrgeia na kanoyn ayth thn katagrafh se mia syntomh periodo, wste na arxisoyn na katalogizontai kai eyqynes se epiorkoys kratikoys leitoyrgoys; Kai deyteron exete skeftei kapoio systhma isws endexomenws allagh toy dhmosioypallhlikoy kwdika oytws wste oi epiorkoi kratikoi leitoyrgoi na mhn pernane mia EDE, ena deyterobaqmio kai sth synexeia meta apo mia paysh orismenwn mhnwn na epistrefoyn stis yphresies toys xwris na exoyn ypostei kamia allh synepeia;

PETALWTHS: H katagrafh ginetai se syntomo xroniko diasthma, gia na mhn ``sernontai'' oles aytes oi ypoqeseis kai odhghqoyn sthn atimwrhsia. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei ena genikotero qema leitoyrgias toy Dhmosioy, twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai h kybernhsh to ejetazei mesa se synoliko plaisio, poy qetei thn prooptikh leitoyrgias enos kratoys, to opoio qa einai sthn yphresia toy polith. Enos kratoys, sto opoio ta fainomena diafqoras, dwrodokias kai xrhmatismoy den qa einai se prwto plano, opws einai mexri shmera.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate nwritera gia to Batopedi kai thn protash tote toy PASOK ws ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na paei se proanakritikh epitroph. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an ayth h proqesh sas isxyei kai shmera toso gia to Batopedi, oso kai gia th SIEMENS, ean qa qelate thn kataqesh toy prwhn prwqypoyrgoy K. Karamanlh. Kai ena sxolio gia th shmerinh protroph ths k. Mpakogiannh na piasoyn topo oi qysies toy laoy.

PETALWTHS: To qema toy Batopedioy to syzhta akomh h Ejetastikh Epitroph. Einai kai h monh armodia na ekdwsei porisma me tis porismatikes ekqeseis, ean yparxoyn diaforetikes skeceis apo toys boyleytes poy symmetexoyn. Kai afoy ekdoqei to porisma, qa apofasistei kai an qa prepei na systaqei proanakritikh Epitroph h oxi. Fysika, parakoloyqoyme ola ta tektainomena sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Mas kanei entypwsh h katonomasia toy dieyqynth toy politikoy grafeioy toy k. Karamanlh apo kataqeseis sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Ta parakoloyqoyme, alla h Ejetastikh Epitroph qa bgalei ta dika ths symperasmata.

Oso gia thn k. Mpakogiannh, den exw na sxoliasw tipote.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Apofygate na peite onomata. Qa ejetasei h Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia kai eyqynes toy prwhn prwqypoyrgoy k. Karamanlh gia thn katastash ayth, ths elleichs ajiopistias sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai paei legontas;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti qa ejetastoyn oi eyqynes ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Ean ayth th stigmh epimeinoyme se proswpa, xwris na exei akomh systaqei h Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia, qa dhmioyrghsoyme stoxoys kai qa xasoyme thn oysia.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws to endiaferon sas gia thn Akropolh einai ligo epilektiko, giati antidrasate twra gia ayth thn kinhtopoihsh, alla pro mhnwn otan eixan dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas apokalyceis oti h kybernhsh Shmith eixe titlopoihsei ta esoda apo thn Akropolh den antidrasate.

PETALWTHS: Ayto as to afhsoyme na to krinei o ellhnikos laos. Den einai etsi opws ta lete.

KOYTRAS: Yparxei kapoia protash, kapoio sxedio ths kybernhshs, odhgies se aytoys toys dhmosioys ypallhloys kai toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys poy xanoyn misqoys, xanoyn eisodhma, na toys parete kai alla lefta apo toys emmesoys foroys, gia to pws qa antapejelqoyn sthn krish;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, thn ypoqesh ths prostasias twn adynamwn politwn thn qetoyme chla sth diereynhsh mas kai stis protaseis mas. Kai gia ayto akribws dhmioyrgoyme ena dixty asfaleias gia toys adynamoys polites poy qa paroysiazetai kai mesa sto nomosxedio poy qa katateqei shmera sth Boylh, me sygkekrimenes politikes, me sygkekrimenes stoxeyseis gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn kai ston idiwtiko kai ston dhmosio tomea. Me prostasia toy mhniaioy eisodhmatos toys, me prostasia twn daneiodotikwn toys anagkwn, me prostasia twn newn anergwn katw twn 25 etwn, twn makroxroniwn anergwn anw twn 55 etwn. Kai as perimenoyme na doyme ti politikes akomh qa anakoinwqoyn. To qema ayto brisketai poly chla stis proteraiothtes mas.

MIXAHL: Qa kataqesete tropologia gia na stamathsei h kataqesh aithsewn gia syntajiodothsh apo dhmosioys ypallhloys prin thn chfish toy Asfalistikoy, opws exei prokycei kai exei afhsei anoixto apo ton k. Loberdo;

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos to anakoinwse kai hdh dinetai h dynatothta anaklhshs paraithsewn poy afora se olo to 2010, etsi wste osoi qemeliwsoyn syntajiodotika dikaiwmata mesa sto 2010, na parameinoyn stis yphresies toys kai qa mporoyn na kanoyn xrhsh toy aithmatos syntajiodothshs toys opote qelhsoyn kai opote to xreiazontai.

POLYMEROS: Fobatai h kybernhsh to endexomeno sthn periptwsh poy anoijei h Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn oikonomia kai h syzhthsh jekinhsei gia thn prohgoymenh pentaetia kai epektaqei kai se prohgoymenes oktaeties, gia paradeigma sthn oktaetia ths kybernhshs toy k. Shmith, na breqoyn oi ypaitioi. Fobatai kati tetoio h kybernhsh; Einai etoimh na to antimetwpisei;

PETALWTHS: Emeis den fobomaste tipote. Foboyntai mono oi enoxoi.

Sas eyxaristw.


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