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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-05-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 25 Maioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 268887562

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Maioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Shmera, sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs syzhteitai to nomosxedio gia ton ``KALLIKRATH''. Prokeitai gia to megalytero sxedio dioikhtikhs kai leitoyrgikhs anadiarqrwshs ths xwras, poy ejyphretei thn pagia apaithsh gia oysiastikh apokentrwsh, me pragmatikh metafora ejoysias kai oxi mono sta xartia, pros tis topikes koinwnies kai telika stoys idioys toys polites.

H nea arxitektonikh ths dioikhshs poy eisagei o ``KALLIKRATHS'' einai mia pragmatikh epanastash gia ta dioikhtika drwmena, afoy eisagei ena kratos sygxrono kai apotelesmatiko, epiteliko kai apokentrwmeno, poy anoigei neoys dromoys anaptyjhs, ena kratos - noikokyrh poy exei anagkh o Ellhnas poliths, poy sebetai ta xrhmata twn Ellhnwn forologoymenwn.

Endeiktika na anaferw oti oi qeseis th qesh twn airetwn me tis gnwstes oikonomikes synepeies, periorizontai apo 50.000 poy einai shmera, stis mises enw ta peripoy 6.000 Nomika Proswpa Dhmosioy Dikaioy, periorizontai se ligotero apo 2.000.

H apokentrwsh ginetai epiteloys prajh me th metafora stis perifereies toy synoloy ths perifereiakhs anaptyjhs, ths kataskeyhs ergwn kai ths dhmosias ygeias.

Opws dhlwse prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos gia na allajoyme thn Ellada, prepei prwta na th swsoyme. Ayto kanoyme kai twra xtizoyme siga-siga ta qemelia ths neas Elladas, me istorikes, domikes allages, sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh. To 2010 exoyme kat` epanalhch pei, oti qa einai h xronia twn megalwn apofasewn kai allagwn gia th swthria kai thn proodo ths xwras. O ``KALLIKRATHS'' einai mia apo tis istorikes allages poy pragmatopoiei h kybernhsh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan o k. Prwqypoyrgos apeyqynetai sto eyrwpaiko koino mesw megalwn efhmeridwn kai aitatai xrono, einai endeijh apofasistikothtas ayto;

PETALWTHS: Profanws anafereste sth synenteyjh sthn efhmerida ``EL PAIS''.

SIDERHS: Sthn ``EL PAIS'': ``Dwste mas xrono''. Deixnei apofasistikothta ayto; Einai ayto to mhnyma poy pairnoyn oi jenoi h pairnoyn mia Ellada poy einai fobismenh kai den einai sigoyrh oti qa ta bgalei pera;

PETALWTHS: To kata poson einai apofasismenh h Ellada, to exei deijei o Prwqypoyrgos kai me tis epafes poy eixe me toys Eyrwpaioys kai oxi mono hgetes mexri twra, gia na ftasoyme sth dhmioyrgia toy mhxanismoy sthrijhs, gia ola ta eyrwpaika krath. Kai fysika to oti xreiazomaste xrono, ws xwra, einai gegonos gi` ayto akribws prosfygame kai ston eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. Xreiazomaste xrono gia na mporesoyme na bgoyme jana stis agores. Alla gia na to kanoyme ayto qa prepei na kanoyme tis megales allages. Den mporoyme na krybomaste. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta kai antimetwpizontas thn pragmatikothta me eilikrineia, kati poy oytws h allws gnwrizoyn oi jenoi etairoi mas, einai o monos tropos gia na pame mprosta.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pisteyei h kybernhsh oti yparxei organwmenh prospaqeia symchfismoy kai antiperispasmoy gia tis ejetastikes epitropes, pisw apo thn yferpoysa fhmologia gia apokalyceis se baros melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oson afora stis ejetastikes epitropes, den einai qema kybernhshs. Einai qema Boylhs. Emeis, ws kybernhsh, leitoyrgoyme me bash thn arxh ths diafaneias. Ayto poy leme ``fws se ola'', to ennooyme kai den prokeitai na kanoyme pisw kai na ypokycoyme se kanenan symchfismo. Ayth einai h arxh mas kai den kanoyme pisw.

SPANOY: Tis apokalyceis poy ekane xqes o ypoyrgos Ergasias, k. Andreas Loberdos, sxetika me to ti zhtaei h troika gia to Asfalistiko, tis ekane epeidh ayta poy zhtaei h troika qa efarmostoyn h gia logoys zymwshs;

PETALWTHS: O armodios ypoyrgos k. Loberdos, o opoios diaxeirizetai, opws gnwrizoyme, ena poly kayto qema -to qema toy Asfalistikoy poy fernei se peras syntoma me thn kataqesh toy antistoixoy nomosxedioy - eipe to aytonohto, oti dhladh yparxei ena mnhmonio to opoio exei ypografei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai apo thn troika. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema ths epistolhs, sto opoio anafereste profanws, eisagei kapoia nea zhthmata. Emeis, omws, exoyme na antitajoyme epixeirhmata apenanti se ayta poy zhtoyntai kai anaferontai sthn epistolh. Kai ayto, bebaiws, qa fanei me thn analogistikh meleth h opoia exei ola ta exeggya kai tis proypoqeseis ths asfaleias kai ths pragmatikhs ajiopistias. To oti prospaqoyme akomh na baloyme qema diaswshs ths ajiopistias mas einai gegonos. Emeis, omws, exoyme proxwrhsei hdh. Yparxoyn symfwnhqenta panw sta opoia kinoymeqa. Kai bebaiws, qa symplhrwsw se ayto oti emeis den kanoyme mystikes symfwnies. Einai safes pws o,ti erxetai sthn antilhch mas to anaferoyme.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw, an ayta poy zhtaei shmera dia ths epistolhs ths h troika ta gnwrizate kata th diarkeia twn diapragmateysewn, mexri na syntaxqei to mnhmonio, to opoio synetaxqh kai chfisthke apo th Boylh.

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti eginan diapragmateyseis. Oi diapragmateyseis katelhjan se ena sygkekrimeno mnhmonio, to opoio h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei ypogracei me thn troika kai menoyme ekei. Pisteyoyme oti sto telos den qa yparxoyn alla zhthmata. Giati, opws sas anefera prohgoymenws, yparxei analogistikh meleth, h opoia milaei me ariqmoys oi opoioi kai apotypwnoyn thn pragmatikothta.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw. Yparxoyn plhrofories oti h symfwnia gia to asfalistiko htan diaforetikh, oxi ayth poy emfanisate me to nomosxedio. Htan kai oi nees apaithseis poy egeirei twra me thn epistolh ths h troika. Ayto htan poy eixe symfwnhqei. Eseis, gia logoys poy mporeite na mas ejhghsete h na fantastoyme, den qelhsate na proxwrhsete se ayto, isws giati oi antidraseis qa htan poly megalyteres. Kai twra, h troika - lene oi plhrofories apo tis Bryjelles- epanerxetai, legontas oti ``alla symfwnhsame kai alla nomoqeteite''.

PETALWTHS: Fainetai poia einai h symfwnia ap` th stigmh poy yparxoyn ypografes katw apo to mnhmonio. Ola ta alla einai apokyhmata ths fantasias oswn ta diadidoyn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Gnwrizei h kybernhsh telika pote qa efarmostei to neo Asfalistiko; To 2018, to 2015, to 2012;

PETALWTHS: Qa katateqei to asfalistiko nomosxedio, to opoio qa einai plhres kai qa anakoinwqoyn fysika me th dhmosiopoihsh toy oles oi ryqmiseis.

KOYTRAS: Ap` ayta ta nea dedomena, ti syzhtaei h kybernhsh; Apo thn epistolh yparxei kati poy syzhteitai; Giati einai ektos mnhmonioy, wstoso yparxoyn kainoyrgia dedomena pia.

PETALWTHS: Den syzhteitai tipote. Yparxoyn symfwnhqenta ta opoia einai ta mona poy isxyoyn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ta symfwnhqenta exoyn mpei ola sto nomosxedio, kyrie Ypoyrge;

PETALWTHS: O,ti anaferetai sto nomosxedio kai to mnhmonio einai ta symfwnhqenta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ma, edw yparxei epishmansh kai apo thn epistolh, oti den exoyn mpei ola ta symfwnhqenta sto nomosxedio kai oti h kybernhsh efere mia ``lait'' ekdoxh gia na emfanisqei argotera oti to paleyei. Paleyei ena pragma to opoio sto metajy to exei chfisei sth Boylh.

PETALWTHS: Den qa mporoysame na kanoyme kati tetoio. Emeis eimaste mia ypeyqynh kybernhsh. Gnwrizoyme oti me thn chfish toy mnhmonioy kai ths symfwnias qa yphrxe dhmosiopoihsh. Den yphrxe periptwsh na ginei kati tetoio, oyte bebaia na epixeirhqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, gia paradeigma, to mnhmonio leei gia tria tameia. To nomosxedio den leei gia tria tameia, leei gia parapanw.

PETALWTHS: Isxyoyn ta symfwnhqenta.

MOSXOBAS: An qymamai kala, to reportaz toylaxiston elege oti mesa se ena atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, k. Papakwnstantinoy, eixe epishmanei ston k. Loberdo oti den prokeitai na perasei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ayth h logikh toy nomosxedioy, toylaxiston ws pros to xroniko eyros poy edine periqwrio to 2018. Giati den elhfqhsan ypoch aytes oi parathrhseis; Den jerate oti qa sas epistrafei pisw;

PETALWTHS: Kat` arxas, den epestrafh tipote. Epimenw sto oti isxyoyn ta symfwnhqenta. Kai se o,ti eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas, yparxoyn ta antepixeirhmata, ta opoia perilambanontai sthn analogistikh meleth, h opoia parapempei akribws kai safws se ariqmoys.

MOSXOBAS: Na katalabw kati: Ayth h epistolh einai entolh;

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw na prokyptei kati tetoio.

MOSXOBAS: Ti einai; Systash;

PETALWTHS: Einai mia epistolh. Etsi akribws poy to akoyme. Emeis exoyme ta epixeirhmata mas, emeis exoyme nomoqethsei ws pros ayta kai ayto ta leei ola.

MOSXOBAS: Exoyn allajei ligo ta dedomena se sxesh me to baqmo kyriarxias ths kybernhshs. Thn exoyn ekxwrhsei se ena baqmo sthn troika. Ayto loipon, an den peisoyn ta epixeirhmata mas, anagkastika qa to akoloyqhsoyme. Ayto katalaba.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den exoyme ekxwrhsei kamia ejoysia. Ta epixeirhmata mas einai safh kai sas anefera oti perilambanontai sthn analogistikh meleth, h opoia qa perilambanei kai safh shmeia ws pros ayta.

MPOTWNHS: Giati kyrie Ypoyrge, ayth h epistolh hrqe meta tis ypografes; Dhladh, h troika den hjere ti ypegrafe; Den katalabe ti ypegrafe; Poia einai h ektimhsh sas, dhladh; Giati yparxei ayth h epistolh shmera poy allazei ta dedomena;

PETALWTHS: Emeis mporoyme na apanthsoyme kai na topoqethqoyme mono gia th dikh mas qesh. H dikh mas qesh perilambanetai sto mnhmonio poy exei ypografei. O,ti xrhzei peraiterw dieykrinhshs, ayto qa ginei oytws h allws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, ean h epistolh einai peran toy mnhmonioy, giati den epistrefetai ws aparadekth;

PETALWTHS: Afhste na apanthsoyme prwta kai meta qa doyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mhpws telika oyte to mnhmonio den einai arketo kai meta apo kaqe dosh daneioy apo to mhxanismo sthrijhs qa yparxoyn kai nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme topoqethqei se ayto kai exoyme pei oti den qa yparxoyn nea metra.

KOYTRAS: To eggyatai ayto h kybernhsh oti den qa yparxoyn nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy leme einai eggyhsh.

STRATAKHS: Shmera, o armodios ypoyrgos k. Loberdos eipe oti den qelei na mpei se mia logikh antallaghs epistolwn me thn troika, giati yparxei kindynos na yparjoyn parejhghseis. Etsi dhlwse ep` akribws kai exei kanei ena aithma sthn troika na aposteilei ypallhloys ths gia na diapragmateyqoyn ek toy syneggys. Isxyei kati tetoio;

PETALWTHS: H troika kanei sygkekrimenes episkeceis kai qa yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi elegxoi. Nomizw oti to klimakio ths troikas qa erqei mesa ston Ioynio.

STRATAKHS: Qa mporoysate na mas ejhghsete pws mporei na syndeetai h dhlwsh Saxinidh thn Paraskeyh, oti apo thn poreia twn metrwn qa ejarthqei o 13os kai o 14os misqos ston idiwtiko tomea; Pws syndeontai ayta ta pragmata;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme topoqethqei ep` aytoy. H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh qesh. H poreia toy Programmatos Staqerothtas einai fysika h aytonohth proypoqesh gia na pane ta pragmata opws ta exoyme dromologhsei. Gi` ayto leme oti to megalo stoixhma poy bazoyme emeis einai h ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai o,ti exei symperilhfqei se ayto.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, prwton gia to Batopaidi, peran ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, sto PASOK yparxei kapoios problhmatismos gia to poy qa paei ayto to pragma, to ti qa proteinei; Yparxei, shmera, mia syskech toy k. Pampoykh me nomikoys sth Boylh ep` aytoy toy qematos. Kai deyteron, hqela na rwthsw, ean shmera kai pote qa doqei to porisma gia thn k. Tzakrh.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti ta peri Ejetastikwn Epitropwn einai armodiothta ths Boylhs. Yparxoyn systhmenes Ejetastikes Epitropes poy hdh bainoyn pros to telos. Exoyn thn aytoteleia toys, thn aytonomh leitoyrgias toys kai aytes qa apofasisoyn pws qa proxwrhsoyn oi ypoqeseis. Emeis, to mono poy mporoyme na poyme einai oti h qesh ths kybernhshs einai jekaqarh: Diafaneia. Den mporoyme na sygxwrhsoyme sygkalyceis kai symchfismoys. Ayto einai dedomeno.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, hdh exei ekdoqei deltio Typoy apo to ypoyrgeio Politismoy, sto opoio symperilambanetai to porisma poy anaferei oti den yparxei tipote mempto sth diadikasia. Einai ena porisma, to opoio skiagrafei oles tis ptyxes ayths ths ypoqeshs poy syzhtame tis teleytaies hmeres.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ti Epitroph einai ayth poy ejedwse ayto to porisma;

PETALWTHS: Einai h armodia Epitroph poy systhse to ypoyrgeio Politismoy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Dhladh, to ypoyrgeio Politismoy elegje to ypoyrgeio Politismoy ean ekane kala to diagwnismo;

PETALWTHS: To ypoyrgeio Politismoy esteile elegktes, esteile sygkekrimenoys ypallhloys, oi opoioi ereynhsan pws akribws dienerghqhke kai ejelixqhke o diagwnismos. Ola ayta, fysika, qa diabibastoyn ston Elegkth Dhmosias Dioikhshs, o opoios qa krinei kai to ti pragmatika exei ginei. Epeidh omws, diakrinw kai mia momfh ws pros ayto, qa tonisw oti einai ayto akribws poy diakrinei thn kybernhsh, h diafaneia. Kati poy qa prepei na to antidiastelloyme me to pws epratte sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy h Nea Dhmokratia epi eji xronia, otan einai gnwsto oti kaqe diadikasia htan ektos ASEP. Otan emeis, akomh kai tis qeseis twn epoxikwn ypallhlwn tis exoyme qesei sto sygkekrimeno nomo toy ASEP. Kai fysika, as mhn jexname oti oi ypoyrgoi Politismoy ths Neas Dhmokratias qa prepei na kanoyn tis sygkriseis toys me to ti ginetai shmera.

Kai einai gnwsto oti enas apo toys ypoyrgoys Politismoy htan o k. Samaras.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Aplws to lew diadikastika. To ypoyrgeio Politismoy ekane mia Epitroph gia na elegjei diko toy diagwnismo. Den einai ths k. Tzakrh o diagwnismos, einai toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Giati h kybernhsh, loipon, arkeitai se ayto kai den perimenei kai apo kapoia anejarthth Arxh gia na dei ean eginan ola synnoma;

PETALWTHS: H anejarthth arxh h opoia elegxei en telei einai o Elegkths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Ekei akribws qa diabibastei to porisma, opoy qa yparxoyn ektenws osa exoyn diameifqei kai osa symperilambanontai se aytes tis Epitropes.

PITTARAS: To gegonos oti ayto to porisma bgazei ``ladi'' thn k. Tzakrh, na ypoqesoyme oti paramenei sth qesh ths;

PETALWTHS: ``Ladi'' den bgainei h k. Tzakrh. Aplws, me ayto to porisma, apokaqistatai h alhqeia. Kai einai safes oti paramenei sth qesh ths, apo th stigmh poy den yparxei kamia, ma kamia paratypia.

PITTARAS: Sto porisma anaferetai oti den yphrje alloiwsh twn apotelesmatwn kai den yphrxan stoixeia idioteleias sthn katartish genika toy pinaka k.t.l. Gia esas, to qema einai mono politiko, einai mono to nomimo h einai kai to hqiko;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kapoio stoixeio toy hqikoy to opoio exei trwqei;

PITTARAS: Ean gia paradeigma sthn Komothnh yphrxe mia antistoixh diadikasia kai jafnika blepate sth lista twn proslhfqentwn na yparxoyn synepwnymoi sas, syntopites sas, qa niwqate thn anagkh na paraithqeite, qa niwqate thn anagkh na meinete sth qesh sas;

PETALWTHS: Otan ta krithria poy perilambanontai sto nomo 2190/94 peri ASEP, einai kai krithria entopiothtas gia toys epoxikoys, einai epomeno oti qa einai apo tis sygkekrimenes perioxes. To mempto qa htan na apokleiontai osoi einai synepwnymoi h osoi tyxainoyn na einai syggeneis, poy den htan fysika oi dekades syggeneis, opws paroysiazontan. Anaferontai ola sto porisma.

MOSXOBAS: Aytes oi proslhceis, giati eginan; Den exoyn ``pagwsei'';

PETALWTHS: Oi proslhceis eginan giati yphrxe anagkh leitoyrgias twn sygkekrimenwn moyseiwn.

MOSXOBAS: Ypotiqetai oti exoyn ``pagwsei'' oi proslhceis, meta to mnhmonio poy ypogracame.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Alla, opoy yparxei anagkh problepetai kai sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Kai h anagkh proslhcewn me symbaseis epoxikwn ypallhlwn einai mia anagkh poy yfistatai. Ayth th diadikasia toy ASEP, me sygkekrimenh moriodothsh, me antikeimenikopoihsh twn proypoqesewn, akoloyqhsame emeis kai fysika opoy doyme oti kati den paei kala, ejetazoyme kai tis enstaseis poy ypoballontai. Yparxei kai h problepomenh diadikasia prosbolhs ayths ths diadikasias poy kai nomotyph kai nomimh kai hqikotath einai.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Karatzaferhs, xqes, eipe oti prepei na kalesoyn sth Boylh, sthn Ejetastikh, kai ton k. Karamanlh. Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean symfwneite oti prepei o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos na kaqisei sto skamni ths Ejetastikhs.

PETALWTHS: O k. Karatzaferhs mporei na apeyqynqei sta melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs toy Omadas poy symmetexoyn stis Ejetastikes kai na proteinoyn thn klhsh opoioydhpote martyra.

TSAKIRHS: Eseis symfwneite me ayto, me ton k. Karamanlh sthn Ejetastikh; Den exete qesh ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti einai qema twn Ejetastikwn Epitropwn, oi opoies krinoyn ti stoixeia prokyptoyn ws pros toys martyres kai ws pros toys poioys prepei na kalesoyn.

ROYBINETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyn paroysiastei mia seira endiaferomenwn kai allwn poy qeloyn na ependysoyn, opws to Katar, opws h Libyh, opws oi Kinezoi. Deixnei ayto mia allagh toy skhnikoy; Exoyn diapistwsei kati poy den to jeroyme emeis;

PETALWTHS: Fysika einai parhgoro oti h xwra mas einai pleon elkystikh gia ependyseis. Ayto, bebaia, den ginetai aytomatws. Ginetai me sygkekrimenes politikes prwtoboylies poy exei parei h kybernhsh. Kai fysika, xreiazetai akomh perissoterh empedwsh toy aisqhmatos ajiopistias, etsi wste na mporesoyme na peisoyme oti eimaste mia sobarh xwra poy, oxi aplws den kindyneyoyn oi ependyseis kanenos, alla yparxei ena asfales oikonomiko periballon gia na proselkyoyme tis ependyseis.

MPOTWNHS: To 2008 h k. Mantelh apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, poy kataqetei shmera, gia to PASOK den elege thn alhqeia. Shmera, h Nea Dhmokratia leei oti den leei shmera thn alhqeia kai oti exei xrhsimopoihqei apo to kybernhtiko komma. Exete kapoio sxolio, me dedomeno oti eseis jerete poly kala ayth thn ypoqesh;

PETALWTHS: Den qa ypeiselqw sta qemata twn Ejetastikwn. Ayto poy diaceydw kathgorhmatika einai oti ``xrhsimopoieitai'' kapoios apo to PASOK. Oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyme nohmosynh kai gnwrizoyme ti ginetai se oles tis ypoqeseis poy einai dhmosioy endiaferontos.

FOYRLHS: Mia dieykrinish sto qema ths epistolhs gia to Asfalistiko. Qa hqela na moy xarakthrisete thn epistolh. Einai keimeno ergasias, einai keimeno atyphs synennohshs, einai enhmerwtiko shmeiwma; Ti einai ayto; Ofeiloyme na jeroyme ti einai ayto to shmeiwma, ti einai ayth h epistolh.

PETALWTHS: Einai mia epistolh, h opoia qetei sygkekrimena zhthmata. Emeis, omws, leme oti yparxei keimeno poy exei symfwnhqei kai isxyei o,ti exei symfwnhqei.

FOYRLHS: To ``einai mia epistolh'' den einai eparkes.

PETALWTHS: Etsi xarakthrizetai. Egw den mporw na toy dwsw nomiko xarakthrismo.

FOYRLHS: Ma, an sas steilw egw mia epistolh, eite kataggelia qa einai, eite diamartyria, eite parapono, eite paraklhsh, eite aithma. Kati qa einai. Den mporei na einai mia epistolh.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti einai mia epistolh, h opoia qetei sygkekrimena zhthmata epi toy asfalistikoy. Emeis exoyme antepixeirhmata kai leme oti isxyoyn osa symfwnhsame mexri twra.

MAKRYGIANNHS: To idio lene kai aytoi k. Ypoyrge.

PETALWTHS: Oti;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oti ayta ta pragmata einai mesa sth symfwnia.

PETALWTHS: Emeis o,ti symfwnhsame, to perasame apo th Boylh kai ayto fainetai.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw poso yperhfanoi noiwqete otan blepete oti enas neoproslambanomenos sth Boylh pairnei 1900 eyrw, se sxesh me alloys sto dhmosio tomea poy pairnoyn poly ligotera;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema ths Boylhs. Emeis hdh exoyme ekfrasei th qesh mas se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Hdh o Proedros ths Boylhs k. Petsalnikos exei topoqethqei epi twn ergasiakwn sxesewn twn ypallhlwn ths Boylhs kai nomizw oti kalyptomaste.

POLYMEROS: Thn Pempth o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei sthn Komothnh. Giati twra ayth h episkech;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, den exei akomh programmatistei tipote. Einai gnwsto oti o Prwqypoyrgos hdh episkeptetai tis perifereies ths xwras mas gia logoys perifereiakhs politikhs, anaptyjhs twn zhthmatwn poy aptontai ths perifereias kai fysika proseggishs olwn twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn toys Ellhnes polites.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes to albaniko koinoboylio perase nomo gia thn oysiastikh staqmeysh naytikhs dynamhs ths Toyrkias entos twn xwrikwn ydatwn ths Albanias. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ti gnwrizete ep aytoy kai ti protiqetai na kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, exontas ws dedomeno oti den ypegrafh h dikh mas symfwnia gia ta oria twn xwrikwn ydatwn.

PETALWTHS: Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw.

STRATAKHS: Na epanelqw sto qema ths Boylhs. Oi nees diatajeis peri to Asfalistiko qa isxysoyn kai gia toys ypallhloys ths Boylhs; Giati shmera diabazoyme sta ``NEA'', ektos kai an diaceydete to dhmosieyma, oti qemeliwnoyn syntajiodotika dikaiwmata apo ta 28,5 eth.

PETALWTHS: To Asfalistiko qa dhmosiopoihqei otan katateqei sth Boylh, poy shmainei poly syntoma.

STRATAKHS: Oxi, rwtaw an isxysei kai gia toys ypallhloys ths Boylhs.

PETALWTHS: Ayto sas lew ki egw.

STRATAKHS: Yparxei, dhladh, piqanothta na mhn isxysei gia toys ypallhloys ths Boylhs;

PETALWTHS: Sas epanalambanw oti to Asfalistiko qa katateqei entos twn hmerwn.

MIXAHL: Mia apo tis diapistwseis poy kanate ws antipoliteysh kai apo tis prwtes paradoxes poy kanate ws kybernhsh htan to gegonos oti yparxoyn polles taxythtes dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Kai ayto eixe san apotelesma na dhmioyrgoyntai kai spatales kai ekfrasate malista kai th qesh oti kapoia stigmh prepei na jekinhsei kai na ginei kai ayto to eniaio misqologio gia na doyme ti ginetai. To gegonos, omws, oti akomh yparxoyn aytonomes pleyres, opws oi ypallhloi ths Boylhs, me ena diko toys kaqestws, den sas problhmatizei; Dioti oi dhmosioi ypallhloi se alles yphresies lene oti emeis ti diaforetiko exoyme apo aytoys poy einai sth Boylh; Aplws eimaste ligo ta koroida, kai den pairnoyme osa pairnoyn aytoi.

PETALWTHS: Sas epanalambanw oti o Proedros ths Boylhs exei anaferqei diejodika kai se ayta ta zhthmata. To na estiazoyme ta zhthmata toy dhmosioy bioy kata meizona logo sta qemata twn ergazomenwn ths Boylhs, nomizw oti adikoyntai alles ptyxes toy dhmosioy bioy. Kai fysika den symfwnw mazi sas, an yponohsate oti yparxei kaqysterhsh. Emeis kai mesa apo ton ``KALLIKRATH'' dhmioyrgoyme ena allo epiteliko kratos kai me ton nomo poy chfisame prwto kai aforoyse tis diadikasies twn proslhcewn exoyme dwsei to stigma mas oysiastika kai shmeiologika gia to ti kratos qeloyme kai pws proseggizoyme thn ergasia twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Kai fysika, to exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws oti qa yparxei ena eniaio systhma plhrwmhs twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai fysika kai to eniaio misqologio einai mesa stis stoxeyseis mas, etsi wste na apaleifqoyn oi megales diafores poy yparxoyn stoys ergazomenoys toy dhmosioy apo yphresia se yphresia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oi perikopes stis apozhmiwseis twn apolymenwn ypallhlwn, h ayjhsh twn oriwn twn apolysewn kai h meiwsh toy katwtatoy misqoy gia toys neoproslambanomenoys, edrazetai sth logikh na ginei h xwra mas pio elkystikh gia tis ependyseis;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora sta zhthmata asfalistikoy dikaioy, ayta ypagontai sto asfalistiko nomosxedio. Emeis, tis ependyseis tis qeloyme giati xwris aytes den qa yparxoyn kai qeseis ergasias, kati poy einai ejairetika shmantiko. Kai malista frontizoyme etsi wste oi ependyseis poy erxontai sth xwra mas na diasfalizoyn prwta apo ola tis qeseis ergasias. Kai ayto kanoyme. Kai sto shmeio ayto den kanoyme kamia ekptwsh ws pros ta nomima dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn sth xwra mas.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Prepei na meiwqoyn oi misqoi gia na erqoyn oi ependyseis;

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Kai fysika den kanoyme kati tetoio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Kanete gia toys neoproslambanomenoys.

PETALWTHS: To qema twn misqwn einai ena shmantiko kai synoliko zhthma poy den exei kamia sxesh me tis ependyseis.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera ypobaqmisthkan ek neoy ellhnikes trapezes kai o epikefalhs oikonomologos toy DNT ekfrazei amfibolies gia to an qa mporesei h Ellada na apoplhrwsei to xreos ths. Qelw na sas rwthsw ti shmainoyn aytes oi topoqethseis, aytes oi ejelijeis gia thn ajiopistia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai gia thn ajiopistia toy ellhnikoy trapezikoy systhmatos kai an h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na apokleiei kathgorhmatika thn epanadiapragmateysh xreoys.

PETALWTHS: Jekinw apo to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas. Einai safes oti apokleioyme thn epanadiapragmateysh toy xreoys. Einai apoch h opoia den mas briskei symfwnoys. Kai to erwthmatiko poy tiqetai einai oti ekfrazetai ayth h apoch kai apo anqrwpoys poy ypotiqetai oti anhkoyn kai se proodeytikoys xwroys. Apo kei kai pera, emeis leme oti qa petyxoyme to stoxo mas. Exoyme kanei poly doyleia ws pros ayto. Exoyme parei sklhres apofaseis gia ton ellhniko lao. Kai ayta den prokeitai me tipote na afhsoyme na pane xamena.

FOYRLHS: Sthn oloklhrwsh ths syzhthshs gia to Asfalistiko apotelei kentriko pylwna, kentrikh proteraiothta ths kybernhshs to na diasfalizei taytoxrona th synainesh, thn apodoxh ths koinwnias kai twn ergazomenwn;

PETALWTHS: Fysika. Ena apo ta zhtoymena ths kybernhshs, se ola ta zhthmata, alla kai gia to asfalistiko, einai h synainesh kai twn ergazomenwn kai twn ergodotwn. Giati pisteyoyme oti xwris synainesh den mporoyme na petyxoyme polla pragmata. Ekei omws poy tiqetai ena zhthma einai kata poson yparxei ypeyqynothta apo oloys mas gia na mporesoyme na antimetwpisoyme ayto to poly megalo zhthma, poy polles fores exei talanisei thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai exei qesei en amfibolw kai ergasiaka kekthmena alla kai thn katabolh twn syntajewn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na symperanw kalh h synainesh, alla kalyterh h ypeyqynothta;

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta dyo oyte antikroyomena einai, oyte antifatika. H synainesh mporei na synodeyetai kai apo thn ypeyqynothta. H ypeyqynothta einai qema olwn mas.

KOYTRAS: Meta apo oktw mhnes diakybernhshs, o k. Papandreoy einai ikanopoihmenos apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys toy sthn paragwgh kybernhtikoy ergoy;

PETALWTHS: Anasxhmatismos pantws den ginetai, an rwtate ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.


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