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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-08-26

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 26 Aygoystoy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 285778378

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Aygoystoy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri

H kybernhsh dinei kaqhmerinh maxh gia ton periorismo ths terastias spatalhs twn xrhmatwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, poy dhmioyrgoyn oi xronies paqogeneies kai oi streblwseis ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Dinoyme kaqhmerino agwna gia to apolytws aytonohto. Na gnwrizoyn me akribeia oi polites, poy, poios kai gia poio skopo jodeyei xrhmata poy proerxontai apo thn tseph toys. Einai baqia mas pepoiqhsh oti h peristolh ths spatalhs toy dhmosioy tomea kai to genikotero noikokyrema kai h ejygiansh poy epiferoyme sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh, einai h megalyterh koinwnikh paroxh kai h shmantikoterh yphresia poy mporoyme na prosferoyme stoys polites mas, afoy ta xrhmata toys pianoyn topo.

Se ayto to plaisio, anakoinwqhke xqes apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, to anwtato orio eklogikwn dapanwn gia tis eperxomenes perifereiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges, etsi wste na diasfalizetai kai h dhmioyrgia iswn eykairiwn stoys ypochfioys stis ekloges.

Alla kai ston eyaisqhto tomea ths leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, Diafaneias kai Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, k. Kastanidhs, anakoinwse xqes th xrhmatodothsh mesw ESPA, enos ejairetika shmantikoy oso kai aparaithtoy ergoy, opws einai to hlektroniko systhma sthn kataqesh kai lhch poinikoy mhtrwoy, sthn hlektronikh kataqesh twn dikografwn, sthn parakoloyqhsh toys, alla kai sthn kaqierwsh chfiakwn yphresiwn sta systhmata krathshs. Prokeitai gia mia rizospastikh metarryqmish sth dioikhtikh leitoyrgia twn yphresiwn ths Dikaiosynhs.

H doyleia poy ginetai kaqhmerina sto qema toy noikokyrematos ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs, oi diarkeis elegxoi, kaqws kai h plhrhs ajiopoihsh twn qysiwn twn politwn, me thn prooptikh ``oyte ena eyrw na phgainei xameno'', alla kai h energh symmetoxh twn politwn sth megalh eqnikh prospaqeia poy kanoyme, mas epitrepoyn na blepoyme arketa aisiodoja pleon thn epomenh hmera. Mia epomenh hmera, poy qa brei thn Ellada pio isxyrh. Mia epomenh hmera poy qa pata pleon se sterees kai sygxrones baseis, etsi wste na mhn exoyme jana fainomena - epanalhch fainomenwn- opws exoyme to teleytaio xroniko diasthma kai idiaitera meta th diakybernhsh ths xwras apo th Nea Dhmokratia.

Den einai tyxaio kai entassetai mesa se ayto to plaisio kai h anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn k. Loberdoy gia thn hlektronikh kataxwrhsh kai ektelesh twn syntagwn, ena systhma poy qa isxyei apo tis 15 Oktwbrh kai qa balei, epiteloys, tajh sthn terastia spatalh mesw syntagografhshs. Mia katastash h opoia den mporoyse pleon na einai anekth kai qa epiferei kai mia peristolh dapanwn, kata peripoy ena disekatommyrio eyrw, thn opoia bebaia qa epwfelhqoyn en telei ta asfalistika tameia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Otan lete oti h ejygiansh ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs einai h megalyterh koinwnikh paroxh, ennoeite oti den qa ejaggelqoyn alles paroxes koinwnikoy xarakthra apo to bhma ths DEQ;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei, epaneilhmmenws, oti emeis den prokeitai na kanoyme ejaggelies oi opoies epanalambanontai kaqe xrono sth DEQ. Blepoyme me diaforetiko mati, me diaforetikh optikh, ayto poy onomazoyme prostasia toy Ellhna polith. Kai ayto den afora aplws kapoies metrhsimes apofaseis, oi opoies sto telos eite den ylopoioyntai, eite den apodidoyn. Exoyn na kanoyn me enan genikotero sxediasmo ths kybernhshs, etsi wste me baqies kai sygxrones baseis na prostateyetai o Ellhnas poliths.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ep` aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe. Kat` arxas, qelw na moy peite an isxyei to paketo twn 100 ekatommyriwn poy eixe proanaggeilei h kybernhsh gia metra koinwnikhs anakoyfishs. Kai se synexeia toy erwthmatos ths synadelfoy poy eipate oti den yparxei megalyterh paroxh apo to noikokyrema, se ayto to plaisio toy noikokyrematos entassontai kai elafrynseis, estw forologikes, oikonomikes, se anqrwpoys, se polites poy eite toys kophke h syntajh, eite toys perikophke o misqos. Yp` ayth thn ennoia qa yparjoyn koinwnikes paroxes, oxi me thn ennoia toy na dwsete xrhmata, alla toy na mhn parete.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, o,ti exoyme pei ws twra isxyei. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei, bebaia, kai h xrhmatodothsh sygkekrimenwn programmatwn mesw toy ESPA, giati den egine h ajiopoihsh aytwn twn xrhmatwn. Kai isws kalytera poy den egine apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, giati kaqe allo para gia ajiopoihsh qa eprokeito. Ara, exoyme kai ekei ena periqwrio. Melhma mas mesa se aytes tis dyskoles stigmes poy pername ws xwra -kai parolo poy phrame kai epwdynes apofaseis, polles fores, gia ton Ellhna polith, o opoios kaqoloy isws den eyqynetai gia thn oikonomikh krish- einai apo edw kai pera, na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes, etsi wste na elafrynoyme oso mporoyme kai me sygkekrimenes apofaseis mesa sto 2011 ton Ellhna polith, kata to metro fysika poy to epitrepoyn ta dhmosionomika ths xwras.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth einai h ejhs: O k. Papakwnstantinoy anakoinwse ena neo paketo 25 disekatommyriwn eyrw gia th sthrijh twn trapezwn kai th reystothta sthn agora. To prohgoymeno poy eixe anakoinwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai to opoio klhronomhsate eseis, symfwna me toys paragontes ths agoras den efqase pote sta xeria toys. Poies eggyhseis, loipon, dinete oti kai twra, ayto to paketo, dhladh, qa eisreysei sthn agora gia na anakoyfistei h agora, na kinhqei h oikonomia kai na leitoyrghsei kai ena prwto stadio anaptyjhs poy toso poly oloi zhtane.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na ypenqymisw oti emeis, to PASOK, ws antipoliteysh, askhsame entonh kritikh se ayth thn apofash ths paroxhs eggyhsewn toy paketoy 28 disekatommyriwn gia tis trapezes, oxi gia kanenan allo logo, alla epeidh den yphrxe kamia eggyhsh oti ayto to paketo qa enisxye th reystothta sthn agora, pragma kai poy egine. Anti na yparxoyn dikleides, etsi wste ayto to paketo na perasei sthn agora, kati poy htan toso anagkaio, oi trapezes -epeidh akribws den yphrxe kamia desmeysh apo to ellhniko Dhmosio- to xrhsimopoihsan prokeimenoy na sthrijoyn toys isologismoys toys. Emeis pleon milame gia ena diaforetiko systhma. H idia h Trapeza ths Ellados qa krinei kata poso yparxei anagkh gia paroxh eggyhsewn pros tis trapezes h opoia qa diasfalisei th reystothta sthn agora. Na jekaqarisw, emeis den milame gia sthrijh twn trapezwn ayth kaqayth. Milame gia mia katastash opoy mesw twn trapezwn qa perasoyn ta xrhmata sthn agora, qa mporesoyn na doqoyn daneia se epixeirhseis kai noikokyria, giati h reystothta einai to megalo zhtoymeno. Kai me ayto to neo paketo twn 25 disekatommyriwn, akribws ayto eggyomaste: Ayta ta 25 disekatommyria qa perasoyn sthn agora, poy toso anagkh to exei. Ayto, bebaiws, eprepe na eixe ginei kai epi prohgoymenhs kybernhshs me to prohgoymeno paketo, kati to opoio omws den egine.

MIXAHL: Na synexisw me mia paremferh erwthsh. Shmera akoysa thn k. Katselh se mia radiofwnikh ths synenteyjh, na leei oti kai ton epomeno enamish xrono ta pragmata qa einai dyskola gia th xwra. Wstoso, afhse na fanei oti olh ayth h prospaqeia qa apodwsei meta to 2011, na to pw etsi xontrika. Na perimenoyme apo ton Prwqypoyrgo sth DEQ, an oxi sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia, toylaxiston na mas pei pote qa stamathsei olh ayth - as to poyme etsi- h peristolh kai qa exoyme pia mia nea fash anaptyjhs ths oikonomias;

PETALWTHS: Emeis gnwrizame kai to eixame apotypwsei, to eixame dhlwsei ston ellhniko lao, oti qa yparxei yfesh, qa yparxei anergia -dystyxws, ws apotelesma kyriws, ths yfeshs- oti qa yparxei plhqwrismos. Ayto to gnwrizame kai me bash aythn thn paradoxh, proxwrhsame kai stis apofaseis kai sta metra poy lambanoyme. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti oyte h anaptyjh erxetai aytomata, oyte h anergia periorizetai se mia mera. Gnwrizame oti qa baqainei h yfesh kai mesa sto 2012 qa exoyme anaptyjh. Qa exoyme anaptyjh, periorismo ths anergias, periorismo toy plhqwrismoy, etsi wste h xwra mas, na janabrei toys ryqmoys poy eixe. Emeis pame mprosta. Dhmioyrgoyme synqhkes, wste h xwra mas na exei tis prooptikes poy ths ajizoyn. Qelw na pw kai to exoyme pei polles fores, oti otan akoyme gia yfesh kai gia anergia, den einai kati poy einai apotelesma twn teleytaiwn mhnwn. To gnwrizame oti qa yparxei, to eixame pei, to eixame dhlwsei oti apo to 2012 qa yparxei anatajh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, qa yparxei anaptyjh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kati ep aytoy poy eipate: Pote eixate pei oti qa yparxei plhqwrismos; Giati sto mnhmonio mesa kai oi probleceis ths troikas miloysan gia enan plhqwrismo 1,9-2%. Kai jafnika o plhqwrismos phge sto 5,5%. Pote to eixate pei ston ellhniko lao;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, emeis gia prwth fora exoyme stoixeia ta opoia apotypwnoyn thn pragmatikothta. Eixame pei oti qa yparxoyn arnhtikes ejelijeis sta qemata ths anaptyjhs, toy plhqwrismoy kai ths anergias. Den krycame tipota kai fysika mesa s aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes prospaqoyme na meiwqei o plhqwrismos, prospaqoyme na periorisoyme thn yfesh kai na periorisoyme kai thn anergia. Ayta yparxoyn apotypwmena kai sto mnhmonio. Apo edw kai pera, o,ti den yparxei apotypwmeno, to paleyoyme hmera me thn hmera etsi wste na anatajoyme ta arnhtika fainomena.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh diabazw oti h Oyggaria kapws ta xalase me to DNT epeidh ths zhthsan na epiballei prosqeta metra epeidh yphrje mono mia mikrh apoklish 0,3% apo toys stoxoys poy eixan teqei, skeftetai h kybernhsh na spasei th symfwnia me to DNT, ean ths zhthqoyn kainoyria metra se periptwsh poy den piastei, den ikanopoihqei en pash periptwsei, o stoxos poy exei teqei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys mas. Deyteron, exoyme dhlwsei kai to dhlwnoyme akoma mia fora, oti den yparxei periptwsh na lhfqoyn nea metra. Gia mas to megalo stoixhma einai aparegklita na throyme toys stoxoys mas, tis desmeyseis mas kai efoson proxwrame me ayton ton tropo den exoyme na fobhqoyme tipota, oyte allazoyme to sxediasmo mas.

STRATAKHS: Qa moy epitrecete kyrie Ekproswpe na epanelqw sto qema twn trapezwn kai th metakinhsh aytwn twn poswn poy dinontai stis trapezes pros tis epixeirhseis. To jerete pws yparxoyn kataggelies apo epwnymoys polites kai exei enhmerwqei kai to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy alla kai h Trapeza ths Ellados, oti kratikes trapezes, poso de mallon idiwtikes, arnoyntai th xrhmatodothsh mesw toy TEMPME, qewrwntas oti oi eggyhseis toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy einai anajiopistes;

PETALWTHS: Anagnwrizoyme oti yphrxe ena problhma sto TEMPME, ena problhma to opoio den einai asxeto me thn katastash ths oikonomias mas. Yparxei amfisbhthsh, yparxoyn amfibolies, ayto omws poy mporoyme na poyme shmera einai oti epiteloys exei jekinhsei na leitoyrgei to TEMPME. Kai gia na sas dwsw ki ena stoixeio, ayth th stigmh mporoyme na poyme oti 7.500 mikromesaies epixeirhseis, poy einai enas poly shmantikos ariqmos exoyn epwfelhqei apo to TEMPME. Mporei na yparxoyn arryqmies, na yparxoyn amfisbhthseis kai amfibolies, alla emeis prospaqoyme na tis epilysoyme, giati mas endiaferoyn oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis gia th diaswsh ths ellhnikhs epixeirhmatikothtas alla kai thn prostasia twn qesewn ergasias. Opoy yparxoyn tetoies periptwseis emeis prospaqoyme na tis diorqwnoyme. Kai apo o,ti fainetai kai apo ta stoixeia, ayto hdh exei jekinhsei kai brisketai se kalo dromo.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pote qa ginei anasxhmatismos;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema syzhthshs. Exoyme milhsei polles fores gi ayto to qema ki exoyme ejhghsei ti akribws symbainei.

MOSXOBAS: Nai. Na epanelqw sto erwthma, giati lete oti den yparxei tetoia syzhthsh. Egw akoyw oti...

PETALWTHS: Edw, shmera, sto briefing.

MOSXOBAS: Nai. Metajy twn ypoyrgwn yparxei, apo o,ti antilambanomai, kai twn MME, dioti diabazw kai akoyw synenteyjeis ypoyrgwn oi opoioi, ena eikositetrawro meta thn proeidopoihsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy na stamathsoyn dhmosiws kai idiwtikws oi syzhthseis, lene thn apoch toys, gia to an qa einai kalos o anasxhmatismos, gia to an qa metakinhqoyn h oxi oi idioi.

PETALWTHS: Egw epanerxomai se ayto poy eixa dhlwsei me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai fysika kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke s'ayto to qema kai sto atypo ypoyrgiko symboylio, to opoio exei lhjei ws qema syzhthshs.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, sygnwmh, aytes oi dhmosies topoqethseis erxontai se katafwrh antiqesh me ayto poy lete kai eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Tis apodokimazete;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti to qema toy anasxhmatismoy kai olh ayth h filologia exei ejantlhqei. H xwra mas exei pragmatika problhmata ta opoia prospaqoyme na epilysoyme. Den exoyme thn polyteleia na asxoloymaste me zhthmata ta opoia den einai paragwgika.

MOSXOBAS: Na qesw ki ena akomh erwthma: O Prwqypoyrgos o idios milhse gia epikeimenes domikes allages sto teleytaio atypo ypoyrgiko symboylio, xwris na prosdiorisei to xrono. Parallhla eidame oti bghke, sto FEK, mia prokhryjh gia proslhceis symboylwn sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Syndeontai aytes oi proslhceis me tis domikes allages poy proanhggeile;

PETALWTHS: Einai logiko oti o Prwqypoyrgos, prokeimenoy na exei mia plhrh gnwsh ths olhs katastashs ths xwras, alla kai gia na dhmioyrgoyntai prooptikes, exei anagkh apo symboyloys. Me diafaneis diadikasies, opws eidate ki eseis, problepetai na proslhfqoyn symboyloi oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me toys symboyloys toy parelqontos.

MOSXOBAS: Ti akribws qa kanoyn kai poios akribws qa einai o ariqmos aytwn;

PETALWTHS: Hdh exei dhmosieyqei kai oi symboyloi aytoi exoyn diafores eidikothtes.

MAKRYGIANNHS: To Majimoy den ypokeitai sto genikotero pneyma litothtas, giati einai 20 symboyloi.

PETALWTHS: To Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, hdh, exei proxwrhsei se perikopes dapanwn kai hdh leitoyrgei me tetoio tropo poy den leitoyrgoyse pote sto parelqon. Einai, omws, epibeblhmeno kai eidika se aythn th dyskolh katastash ths xwras mas na yparxei mia ypodomh poy qa dhmioyrgei tis kalyteres proypoqeseis, etsi wste to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy na einai artia stelexwmeno, prokeimenoy na proslambanei me ton kalytero tropo kai thn ellhnikh kai th dieqnh pragmatikothta alla kai na briskontai lyseis me ton pio oikonomiko tropo. Fysika, ola qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta kai ayto exei na kanei kai me thn anarthsh olwn twn apofasewn mas sto diadiktyo. Fysika afora kai to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Tote, mporeite na mas peite posa pairnei o k. Siopa, giati den gnwrizoyme akribws; Epishmws, mporeite na mas to peite;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei plhrhs diafaneia kai o,ti apofasizetai- kai an bebaia yparxei misqos sthn prokeimenh periptwsh- qa anartatai kai sto diadiktyo.

TSAKIRHS: Epeidh den apanthsate sto synadelfo, syndeontai h oxi me tis domikes allages poy exete oysiastika anakoinwsei kai eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Oi domikes allages einai kati eyrytero. Edw milame gia symboyloys sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Fysika, opoies energeies apaitoyntai, eidika s` aythn thn krisimh fash, qa lhfqoyn, etsi wste na exoyme mia kalyterh apodosh, se ola ta epipeda, idiaitera se ayto gia to opoio syzhtame.

MOSXOBAS: Ep` aytoy. Epeidh fantazomai qa to peite kai eseis edw shmera, kanete thn aytokritikh sas gia to gegonos oti afhsate epi toso kairo thn ERT, thn opoia ejairesate apo toys genikoys periorismoys toy Dhmosioy, alla, profanws, ayto symbainei kai me toys symboyloys toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn arxikh sas apoch na yparjoyn afidws perikopes, akomh kai se krisimoys tomeis. Twra, fantazomai oti qelete na kanete thn aytokritikh sas, oti kanate laqos arxikws kai twra epanerxeste se ayth th logikh, na ejaireqoyn ap` ayta ta plafon amoibwn me bash ta opoia endexomenws efyge kai o proedros ths ERT.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na sas tonisw kai na sas ypenqymisw oti o nomos Papakwnstantinoy gia tis amoibes twn stelexwn sto dhmosio tomea, isxyei kai gia thn ERT. Ayto poy onomazoyme ``kata parekklish'' ginetai gia nomotexnikoys kai mono logoys. Kai fysika, oxi aplws den kanoyme aytokritikh. Emeis kanoyme to epibeblhmeno. Se o,ti afora sthn peristolh twn dapanwn, hmastan kai qa eimaste synepeis giati den qeloyme oyte ena eyrw toy ellhnikoy laoy na phgainei xameno. Opoy yparxei anagkh, omws, etsi wste na exoyme mia kalyterh dioikhsh, se ola ta epipeda ekei, epishs, den kanoyme ekptwseis.

MOSXOBAS: Otan lete ``gia texnikoys logoys'', ti akribws ennoeite; Egine to ``kata parekklish'', ennoeite oysiastikoys logoys.

PETALWTHS: Gia nomotexnikoys logoys kai mono. Meinete se ayth th dhlwsh moy, oti to plafon toy nomoy Papakwnstantinoy isxyei kai gia ta stelexh ths ERT.

KOYTRAS: Ti ennoeite; Den katalabainw ti ennoeite, giati xqes chfisthke oti airetai to plafon gia ta stelexh ths ERT.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei poyqena kamia dhlwsh, kamia frash oti airetai to plafon. Leei ``kata parekklish twn diatajewn'', ayth einai h frash. Kai h frash ayth yparxei gia nomotexnikoys logoys.

MOSXOBAS: Poioi einai aytoi oi logoi;

KOYTRAS: Den mporoyse na leitoyrghsei h ERT, den briskate stelexh gia thn ERT, ti akribws;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kai sthn ERT kanoyme megales allages.

STRATAKHS: Ananewnete tis idies ekpompes.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den einai etsi, oti ananewnoyme tis idies ekpompes. Kanete laqos ws pros ayto. Mallon, den parakoloyqeite ERT.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na epanelqw pali sto zhthma twn symboylwn. Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei Prwqypoyrgo kai ypoyrgiko symboylio. Fantazomai oti qesmika oi ypoyrgoi kai to synolo twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn einai aytoi oi opoioi ylopoioyn, sxediazoyn h proteinoyn politikes. Prospaqw na katalabw, an aytoi oi 20 syn merikoys akomh symboyloys poy hdh exei o Prwqypoyrgoys qa leitoyrgoyn ws ena atypo ypoyrgiko symboylio, ws mia ejwqesmikh epopteia poy qa prattei sygkekrimenes energeies. Dhladh, ayth einai h domikh allagh, oti qa exei 20 symboyloys, o kaqenas qa epwmizetai mia armodiothta kai qa leitoyrgoyn parapleyrws enos qesmika katoxyrwmenoy organoy poy einai to kybernhtiko symboylio, h kybernhtikh epitroph kai ta stelexh ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, emeis periorisame ton ariqmo twn ypoyrgwn. Ayto einai dedomeno. To ergo twn ypoyrgwn einai syntagmatika katoxyrwmeno kai to ergo toy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy einai nomika katoxyrwmeno kai den exei na kanei se tipote me toys symboyloys toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Apo ekei kai pera, an qeloyme na exoyme ena sygxrono grafeio Prwqypoyrgoy, me poly liges dapanes - gi` ayto lew qa dhmosieyqoyn kai oi dapanes oi opoies synepagontai toy diorismoy twn symboylwn- kai an qeloyme na spasoyme ayth th mizeria kai na doyme ta pragmata me ton kalytero tropo kai epanalambanw, se aytes tis idiaitera dyskoles synqhkes, tote einai logiko kai aytonohto oti to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy prepei na exei mia diaforetikh domh ap` aythn poy yphrxe mexri twra. Emeis eimaste makria apo tis logikes ``na boleyoyme hmeteroys''. Den qa kanoyme, omws, ekptwsh stis ajies mas oson afora ston employtismo toy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai se opoiodhpote allo grafeio, opoy xreiazetai, etsi wste sto telos na exoyme mia diakybernhsh, h opoia na einai antajia twn synqhkwn stis opoies brisketai h xwra ayth th stigmh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ep` aytoy, an moy epitrepete kai sygnwmh. Den yparxoyn sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy sygkekrimenes armodiothtes, as poyme, diplwmatiko grafeio...

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei sygkekrimenh eyxereia na proslabei symboyloys. Perimenete na dhmosieyqei o plhrhs katalogos me tis apodoxes aytwn twn symboylwn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me poia diadikasia, me biografika me open gov, me ASEP, me ti qa proslhfqoyn sto Megaro Majimoy kyrie Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: H diadikasia einai diadikasia epiloghs kai sto telos me th dhmosieysh qa deite - gi` ayto lew, as perimenoyme- kai ta prosonta twn symboylwn kai tis amoibes toys. Kai qa deite poso diaforetika leitoyrgei ayth h kybernhsh.

STRATAKHS: Hqela na rwthsw, o k. Aggeloy, o prwhn toy prwhn, eipe oti den ajiologoysan kamia epistolh poy efqane sto Megaro Majimoy kai apla tis prowqoysan. Ejakoloyqei na ginetai to idio;

PETALWTHS: Den sas katalaba.

STRATAKHS: Opoiadhpote epistolh fqanei sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy prowqeitai sta armodia ypoyrgeia h ajiologeitai apo to Majimoy twra;

PETALWTHS: To prwqypoyrgiko grafeio exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes. Ean kati apeyqynetai sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy ajiologeitai apo ekei. Ean apeyqynetai sta ypoyrgeia, ajiologeitai apo ta ypoyrgeia. Kai epeidh milhsate gia ton k. Aggeloy, h diafora gia to pws leitoyrgoyse to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy epi Neas Dhmokratias einai safestath, me to pws leitoyrgei to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio shmera.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Shmera mas eipate oti gia thn koinwnikh politikh yparxoyn 100 ekatommyria eyrw kai ayta qa anakoinwsei o Prwqypoyrgos apo th DEQ. Xqes, o k. Papakwnstantinoy edwse 25 dis eyrw stis trapezes. Telika, to proeklogiko synqhma toy k. Papandreoy oti yparxoyn xrhmata se ayth th xwra, exei apodekth mono to trapeziko kefalaio;

PETALWTHS: Prohgoymenws ejhghsa ti symbainei me thn paroxh eggyhsewn 25 ekatommyriwn eyrw gia tis trapezes, prokeimenoy me sygkekrimenes asfalistikes dikleides na perasei h reystothta sthn agora. Mas endiaferei se ayth thn krisimotath fash, opoy gnwrizoyme poly kala pws einai h katastash ths agoras, poso sfixth einai h katastash ths agoras, na mporoyn oi epixeirhmaties kai ta noikokyria na daneizontai. Kai gia na daneizontai mesa se ayto to periballon to opoio antimetwpizoyn kai oi ellhnikes trapezes, qa prepei na yparxei mia morfh paroxwn eggyhsewn. Den mas endiaferei na eynohsoyme tis trapezes. Mas endiaferei na diasfalisoyme oti mesw toy trapezikoy systhmatos qa perasei h reystothta sthn agora. Gi` ayto akribws, problepetai sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy qa thn epopteyei h Trapeza ths Ellados mesw sygkekrimenwn krithriwn, mesw protasewn pistwtikhs lhchs poy qa kataqetei h kaqe trapeza, etsi wste ayta ta xrhmata na perasoyn sthn agora. Ayto einai to megalo zhtoymeno kai ayto kanoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ta ellhnika noikokyria einai hdh yperxrewmena. Dhladh, eseis sprwxnete ta ellhnika noikokyria na prostrejoyn pali stis trapezes gia na paroyn kainoyrgia daneia; Kai syn tois allois kai apo ta 28 dis, symfwna me tis meletes twn trapezwn, 7 stis 10 aithseis kobontai apo daneia gia ta noikokyria kai 1 stoys 2 gia epixeirhmaties. Kai h protash sas einai ta ellhnika noikokyria, poy mexri twra toys kocate misqoys, syntajeis kai ta sxetika, na pane pali na paroyn daneia apo tis trapezes; Ayth einai h koinwnikh politikh toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Ean syzhtate gia toys mikromesaioys epixeirhmaties kai ta noikokyria yparxei anagkh lhcews epixeirhmatikwn daneiwn, yparxei anagkh reystothtas. Ektos an qewrei kapoios oti ta stegastika daneia eynooyn toys megaloys epixeirhmaties kai to megalo kefalaio. Emeis exoyme diaforetikh antilhch. Pisteyoyme oti prepei h reystothta na perasei sthn agora. Oi epixeirhmaties zhtoyn daneia, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn stis apaithseis ths epixeirhmatikothtas toys, opws kai ta noikokyria qa prepei me kapoio tropo na trofodothqoyn. Gia emas to qema ayto, den einai qema syzhthshs. To qema syzhthshs htan ean pragmatika yparxoyn ekeines oi eggyhseis, wste ayta ta xrhmata na mhn meinoyn stis trapezes, alla na perasoyn sthn pragmatikh oikonomia. Kai emeis ayto to diasfalizoyme se apolyto baqmo.

BASILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei oros se ayth th diaqesh twn 25 disekatommyriwn na mhn poylane akriba to xrhma, ean to diaqesoyn telikws pros ta katw sthn agora; Dioti qymamai mia protash nomoy toy PASOK gia th meiwsh twn epitokiwn kai me th logikh na symbadizoyn me to ti ginetai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Otan, loipon, oi trapezes daneizontai me 1% tote exete parembei, exete problecei na toys zhthsete na meiwsoyn ta epitokia toys;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparxoyn mia seira apo ryqmiseis poy qa diasfalizoyn thn paroxh reystothtas kai malista me oroys poy qa einai oroi ths agoras, wste na einai anektoi, ayto ennow, kai ayto einai shmantiko.

SEGKOS: Me sygxwreite, alla sto parelqon h dikh sas kybernhsh edwse alla dyo paketa stis trapezes kai den perase oyte ena eyrw sthn agora, oyte stoys mikromesaioys, oyte sta noikokyria, oyte sta stegastika. Giati ayth th fora, dhladh, na einai diaforetika;

PETALWTHS: Se poia xronikh periodo anafereste;

SEGKOS: Eixate dwsei alla 10 dis. Eixe anakoinwsei o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Kai alla 15 dis kai ap` ayta den phge oyte ena eyrw sthn agora.

PETALWTHS: Milame gia eggyhseis se neo paketo 25 dis, opoy qa pane ola sthn agora. Ean den yparxei ayth h asfalistikh dikleida, den qa yparxei kai paroxh eggyhsewn pros tis trapezes. Ayto einai dedomeno.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw pali sto qema poy rwthsa kai prin. O Prwqypoyrgos kai orqws, ektos apo to dikaiwma toy na epilegei toys symboyloys toy, exei kai dikaiwma na diorisei sto ypoyrgiko toy symboylio kai ejwkoinoboyleytikoys ypoyrgoys. Kai qelw na sas rwthsw an qa ginei kai qa einai domikos anasxhmatismos oi domikes kai qesmikes allages kai afoy qa proslabei 20 symboyloys gia na ton enhmerwnoyn ti ginetai sth dieqnh pragmatikothta, opws eipate kai eseis, poy en pash periptwsei ws ena baqmo einai kai armodiothta enos ypoyrgoy, na jerei ti ginetai sth dieqnh pragmatikothta. Ti isorropia einai ayth, ayto prospaqw na katalabw.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei qema isorropias. Mhn mperdeyoyme toys ypoyrgoys me toys symboyloys. Alimono, ean mperdeyoyme dyo qesmoys oi opoioi einai teleiws diaforetikoi. Nomizw einai aytonohto oti allo pragma einai enas symboylos kai teleiws diaforetiko einai o ypoyrgos. Oi ypoyrgoi ayths ths kybernhshs exoyn apodeijei oti epi deka mhnes doyleyoyn poly sklhra, xwris na exoyn ta efodia kai ta ergaleia ekeina, etsi wste na mporoyn na apodidoyn. Alla, ayta ta ergaleia, prospaqoyme na ta diasfalizoyme kai ston Prwqypoyrgo kai stoys ypoyrgoys, opoy xreiazetai. Den einai qema isorropias. Milame gia dyo diaforetikes katastaseis. Alimono ean oi symboyloi ejiswnontan me toys ypoyrgoys.

MIXAHL: O Papandreoy ektos apo prwqypoyrgos einai kai ypoyrgos ejwterikwn. Q hqela na jerw pws proseggizei, pws blepei th syzhthsh poy exei jekinhsei sthn Toyrkia gyrw apo thn ypoqesh twn 12 miliwn kai an pia synista casus belli h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Ayth einai mia syzhthsh poly anoixth kai me megales diastaseis.

MIXAHL: Th blepete qetikh, th blepete ajiologh, den th blepete kaqoloy;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparxei ajiologhsh apo thn kybernhsh kai otan qa yparxei qa anakoinwqei kiolas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh poy perasan me thn katarghsh ths bashs toy 10 sta TEI anqrwpoi poy egracan apo oti diabasa 0,9, 1,2,3. H kybernhsh qewrei oti ayto einai politikh gia thn paideia h aplws einai ikanopoihmenh epeidh ta soyblatzidika, ta diamerismata kai oi kafeteries sthn eparxia qa gemisoyn kai pali me nearoys;

PETALWTHS: Egine xqes, mia endelexhs epejhghsh kai aytoy toy erwthmatos apo thn ypoyrgo paideias thn k. Diamantopoyloy. Ayto poy exw na pw einai oti den tiqetai qema bashs eisagwghs. Yparxei mia streblh oytws h allws katastash sto systhma eisagwghs sta ellhnika panepisthmia thn opoia h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na allajei . Hdh apo to fqinopwro qa paroysiastoyn ekeines oi diorqwtikes protaseis sto systhma eisagwghs, etsi wste meta to 2013 na milame gia eisagwgh sta panepisthmia apo ena diaforetiko lykeio. Kai to lew ayto, giati emeis proseggizoyme me mia teleiws diaforetikh genikh logikh to qema ths leitoyrgias kai toy sxoleioy alla kai to qema ths eisagwghs sto panepisthmio. H bash toy 10 - to orio ayto- htan ena zhthma, enas oros poy ebale h kybernhsh ths N.D.. Enas oros omws, poy emeine kenos periexomenoy, kenos oysias apo thn stigmh poy den yphrxan alles allages. Otan den exoyme systhma eisagwghs ajiologiko ypo thn ennoia oti mporei na teqei bash eisagwghs, kaqws h eisagwgh sta ellhnika panepisthmia ginetai me diagwnismo, to na menoyme sto qema ths bashs einai ``keno periexomenoy''. Emeis desmeyomaste oti qa feroyme ena neo systhma, omws oxi aplws enan neo tropo diagwnismoy kai ejetasewn alla apo ena diaforetiko lykeio, kai ayto einai to zhtoymeno kai hdh apo to fqinopwro qa paroysiastoyn oi prwtes protaseis. Ayto einai to shmantiko gia emas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den einai dhladh enas fqhnos laikismos kai mia kynikh ekmetalleysh ths agwnias diaforwn etsi omadwn...

PETALWTHS: Ean mas ejefraze ayto poy egine kai ginetai shmera den qa to allazame. Alla epeidh den qeloyme na proxwrhsoyme twra se epifaneiakes kai apospasmatikes ryqmiseis mono kai mono gia na fainetai kati kalo h na fainetai sobaro, desmeyomaste oti qa proxwrhsoyme amesa kai me ena teleiws diaforetiko geniko tropo proseggishs.

MOSXOBAS: Pws blepei to PASOK kai pote qa apanthsei ston idio gia thn ypochfiothta toy k. Kaminh;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia epitroph ajiologhshs twn ypochfiothtwn kai fysika ergazetai kai ejetazei oles tis ypochfiothtes.

MOSXOBAS: Den exete kapoia apoch qetikh h arnhtikh. Pws krinete thn ypochfiothta toy k. Kaminh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap ola den eimai armodios na apanthsw. Yparxei mia diadikasia poy einai se ejelijh gia tis protaseis twn ypochfiothtwn s olh th xwra.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw pws perimenete na stamathsei h kybernhsh metajy ypoyrgwn, alla kai sta Mesa gia ton anasxhmatismo th stigmh poy o prwqypoyrgos ton proanhggeile; Kai ena sxolio gi ayto poy sas kathgorei h N.D. . Xqes o ekproswpos ths eipe oti h xwra brisketai se akybernhsia.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei apanthtikh dhlwsh moy oti mono ws anekdoto hxei to na milaei h N.D. gia akybernhsia, otan poly kala gnwrizoyme oti h akybernhsia epi N.D. isws qa htan kalyterh apo thn katastash poy epikratoyse. Dystyxws, yphrxe akomh xeiroterh katastash. Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, h syzhthsh ayth qa stamathsei otan qa stamathsete na mas rwtate.

STRATAKHS: Yparxei arnhsh kybernhtikwn stelexwn na pane pros thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh; Exei eisprajei arnhseis to Megaro Majimoy;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti yparxei mia diadikasia epiloghs ypochfiwn toys opoioys qa sthrijoyme stoys Dhmoys kai stis Perifereies. Ayth h diadikasia synexizetai. Yparxei mia qesmoqethmenh epitroph - einai gnwsth h synqesh ths sto PASOK - kai proxwraei sthn ajiologhsh olwn twn ypochfiothtwn.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti gia thn ypochfiothta toy k. Kaminh yparxei ena systhma ajiologhshs na fantastw oti se epipedo prwqypoyrgoy h ajiologhsh pros to proswpo toy kamenh emmesws exei ginei , kaqws sto prwto toy ypoyrgiko htan basikos omilhths o k. Kaminhs.

PETALWTHS: Egw, omws, emmesws den qa sas apanthsw gia ton k.Kaminh.

Kalo apogeyma.


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