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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-09-28

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 28 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 291487263

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Septembrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh exei apodeijei mexri shmera oti diaqetei thn politikh boylhsh na proxwrhsei se plhqos sobarwn tomwn kai allagwn poy prowqoyn th xwra mas pros mia diaforetikh kateyqynsh. Apo ayth mas th boylhsh, alla kai thn apaithsh twn politwn gia baqies allages, den qa mporoyse fysika na ejaireitai h Paideia, sthn opoia dinoyme poly megalh proteraiothta. Antiqeta, aytos o krisimos tomeas, opws dhlwse kai h ypoyrgos Paideias, apotelei thn emprosqofylakh kaqe xwras poy qelei na exei ena kalytero mellon.

Einai epitaktikh anagkh na mpei epiteloys ena telos stis shmerines katastaseis apajiwshs pollwn ptyxiwn, eknomwn katastasewn, plhqoys streblwsewn kai oytws kaqejhs.

To armodio ypoyrgeio Paideias, meta apo sobarotath proergasia, edwse sth dhmosiothta toys basikoys ajones twn allagwn poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn to panepisthmio toy 21oy aiwna . Apodeiknyei oti oi synqhkes einai wrimes kai to endiaferon toy kosmoy entono, arkei na antilhfqei kaneis oti 6.000 xrhstes toy Internet parakoloyqhsan apeyqeias to synedrio twn Delfwn, thn Kyriakh to prwi kai gia ayto akribws yparxei kai h prosklhsh apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, oloi oi Ellhnes polites na symmetexoyn oysiastika kai energa sto dialogo gia thn Paideia, giati h Paideia mas afora oloys.

Sygxronws, h kybernhsh ergazetai gia thn tonwsh ths pragmatikhs oikonomias. Hdh, prin apo ligo oloklhrwqhke h synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Perifereiakhs Anaptyjhs k. Xrysoxoidh, me thn Enwsh Ellhnikwn Trapezwn, opoy symfwnhqhke na yparjei ena symfwno reystothtas anamesa sthn Politeia kai stis trapezes, etsi wste na yparxei h swsth kateyqynsh gia na kinhqei h reystothta sthn agora. Eidika stis shmerines synqhkes poy yparxei toso poly megalh anagkh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Dedomenoy oti yparxei kai ayth h syskech shmera se sxesh me ton Proypologismo, exei katalhjei to oikonomiko epiteleio pws qa ejyphrethsei toys stoxoys toy Mnhmonioy meta to 2011, dhladh ean qa ayjhqei o FPA h an qa ejiswqei o eidikos foros toy petrelaioy qermanshs;

PETALWTHS: Einai pros syzhthsh kai pros prosdiorismo twn enallaktikwn lysewn tis opoies exei ejaggeilei o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Ayto poy gnwrizoyme pros to paron einai oti qa prokriqei ekeinh h lysh, h opoia qa einai eynoikoterh pros ton Ellhna polith kai eidikotera ston adynamo kai ston xamhloy kai mesaioy eisodhmatos. Afoy moy dwsate omws thn eykairia na milhsw gia ton Proypologismo, qa hqela na pw oti ginetai prajh h desmeysh ths kybernhshs oti o persinos Proypologismos gia to 2010, qa htan o teleytaios Proypologismos poy qa ginotan me bash ayto to montelo poy gnwrisame mexri twra. Emeis gia prwth fora syntassoyme Proypologismo me bash pragmatika stoixeia kai me ena diaforetiko montelo. Persi katateqhke gia teleytaia fora o Proypologismos kata ta protypa twn teleytaiwn xronwn. Eixame desmeytei, loipon, oti qa syntassotan enas Proypologismos me diaforetiko tropo, etsi wste na mpei tajh sta dhmosionomika ths xwras. Na yparxoyn leptomereis ekqeseis stoixeiwn kaqe trimhno, oti h Boylh qa elegxei ola ta stoixeia gia toys foreis toy Dhmosioy kai oti qa yparxei kai mia trimelhs epitroph se kaqe ypoyrgeio, opws hdh ginotan mesa sto 2010, poy parakoloyqoyse kai qa parakoloyqei ola ta stoixeia ths ylopoihshs toy Proypologismoy. Bazoyme terma sth xalarothta twn dhmosionomikwn, etsi wste na exoyme ena dhmosionomiko periballon poy qa antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta, alla kyriws qa exei probolh kai sto mellon.

NTSOYNOS: Na erqw ligo sto qema toy Batopedioy kai na rwthsw an ektima h kybernhsh oti yparxei zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy apo thn ypoqesh toy Batopedioy.

PETALWTHS: Einai aytonohto oti yparxei zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy apo to megalo skandalo toy Batopedioy kai aporw pws h Nea Dhmokratia mporei meta apo tosa xronia, opoy ypekfeyge, fygomaxoyse, efeyge apo thn pragmatikothta kai apo tis epitropes ths Boylhs, anakalyptei twra ayto to kainoyrgio eyrhma oti dhqen den yfistatai zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. As bgei na to pei pio kaqara, giati hdh to leei sth Boylh kai hdh zhthsane oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias na anastaloyn oi leitoyrgies ths proanakritikhs epitrophs gia to Batopedi, giati, dhqen, den yparxei apodedeigmenh zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. As mhn jexname oti to terastio skandalo toy Batopedioy bohqhse, odhghse sto na metabibastoyn megales ektaseis dhmosias ghs pros th Monh Batopedioy, h opoia argotera tis metabibase se trites etaireies. Polla apo ayta exoyn metabibastei shmera akomh kai se kalopistoys - kata kyrio logo - idiokthtes. Eginan pollaples metabibaseis se offshore etairies poy dhmioyrghqhkan gia ayto ton skopo, poy shmainei oti exoyme jeplyma brwmikoy xrhmatos. Kai fysika exoyme ena anelegkto poqen esxes apo olh ayth thn eknomia. Kai emeis ws PASOK, ws antipoliteysh, antidrasame, anadeijame to skandalo toy Batopedioy. H zhmia omws eixe hdh ginei. Einai dedomenh kai proklhtikh kai h zhmia kai h stash ths Neas Dhmokratias.

NTSOYNOS: Tote k. Ekproswpe, giati, efoson einai katagegrammenh ayth h zhmia sta porismata paraggelnete kai alles oxtw ektimhseis; Kai na symplhrwsw oti exoyn ginei kai alles pente ektimhseis, an den kanw laqos einai pente kai apo to Swma Orkwtwn Ektimhtwn, to opoio einai kai to monadiko qesmoqethmeno organo edw kai trianta xronia. qelw na rwthsw h kybernhsh den empisteyetai aytes tis ektimhseis toy SOE; Qwreite oti den kanei swsta th doyleia toy; Qa allajete th nomoqesia; Qewreite oti einai diefqarmeno ayto to Swma; Giati zhtate kai alles ektimhseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, exei ginei poly megalh zhmia sto ellhniko dhmosio. Ayto einai dedomeno. Twra, to ycos ths zhmias exei sxesh me thn apokatastash ths dhmosias perioysias. Alla to oti yparxei mia terastia zhmia, einai anamfisbhthto. Arkei na skeftei akomh kaneis oti aytes oi antallageises ypotiqetai dhmosies ektaseis, opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, exoyn metabibastei, exoyn ginei megala akinhta, exoyn ginei spitia, exoyn ginei polykatoikies. Yparxei to agrokthma ths Oyranoypolhs, yparxei to olympiako akinhto, opoy thn teleytaia stigmh apotraphke sto na metastegastei ekei to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, enw eixan paraggelqei epi Neas Dhmokratias akomh kai ta epipla. Fysika, mataiwqhke ekeinh h metastegash gia na xaristei, oysiastika, sto Batopedi. Einai dedomenh h zhmia poy yparxei. Den mas endiaferei to ycos ths zhmias gia na katalogistoyn eyqynes. Exei logo kai rolo gia na yparxei apokatastash ths zhmias epakribhs.

NTSOYNOS: Den moy apanthsate gia to SOE.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa oti opoy yparxei dhmosios foreas, exei apodeixqei kai exei dexqei oti yparxei zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Kai sth dikografia mesa, alla kai opoydhpote exei ginei ektimhsh.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na epanelqw ligo sth shmerinh syskech, h kybernhsh den anoigei ta xartia ths gia ta forologika metra, wstoso to mnhmonio einai ameilikto. Problepei epipleon foroys 6,5 dis eyrw. H kybernhsh den exei katalhjei, h apla perimenei na perasoyn oi dhmotikes ekloges gia na anakoinwsei th ``lyphterh'' ston ellhniko lao;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes desmeyseis, yparxoyn anakoinwmena metra, yparxei h diabebaiwsh ths kybernhshs oti mesa sto 2010 den qa yparxoyn alla metra. Ayto einai dedomeno. Gia to 2011, oxi aplws den qa yparxoyn epipleon metra apo ayta poy exoyn problefqei sto mnhmonio, alla h kybernhsh kanei oles ekeines tis aparaithtes energeies, etsi wste akomh kai ayta ta anakoinwmena metra na einai pros thn kateyqynsh ths prostasias toy eisodhmatos toy Ellhna polith.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qa epanelqw sto qema toy Batopedioy, giati aifnhs blepoyme tis teleytaies hmeres na ginetai logos kai na epikaloyntai tis ekqeseis toy SOE. Telika, epeidh symmeteixate kai sthn epitroph, h zhmia poy exei epelqei sto dhmosio, einai mono apo thn antallagh twn akinhtwn h kai apo to gegonos oti paraxwrhqhke mia ektash sth monh Batopedioy;

PETALWTHS: H N.D. prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei thn entypwsh oti den yparxei zhmia se mia lanqasmenh bash: Dhmosia perioysia, apodedeigmena kai xwris na diekdikhqei pote mexri tote poy jekinhse to skandalo Batopedioy, paraxwrhqhke, xaristhke sthn iera monh Batopedioy kai enw eixe th xrhsh mono toy neroy sth limnh Bistwnida, ths doqhke ws dwrea mia poly megalh ektash gyrw apo th limnh, xiliadwn stremmatwn, kai me bash oti dhqen ayth h ektash anhke sthn iera monh Batopedioy, eginan oi antallages. Ara, oi antallages einai to megalo meros toy skandaloy, jekinwntas omws kai apo th lanqasmenh paradoxh oti h dhmosia ektash htan kthsh ths monhs Batopedioy.

STRATAKHS: Se ena allo qema. Milhsate gia politikh boylhsh genikotera ths kybernhshs na allajei merika pragmata. Ayth thn politikh boylhsh, omws, den thn blepoyme sto qema twn idiokthtwn forthgwn dhmosias xrhsews. Fainetai h kybernhsh na einai peripoy omhros kai na sernetai pisw apo tis opoies apofaseis twn forthgatzhdwn. Shmera, o proedros twn epimelhthriwn se radiofwnikh toy parembash eipe oti endexomenws na kinhqoyn kai agwges enantion twn apergwn...

PETALWTHS: Den einai apergoi.

STRATAKHS: Apergoi einai kata mia ennoia. Pws loipon anexetai mia kybernhsh, na exei chfistei enas nomos, na einai epistrateymenoi kai 1.500... opws eipe o k. Kasimaths, na exoyn paralysei oloklhrh th xwra;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, kaqenas mporei na kanei agwges, den yparxei apergia, einai epitagmenoi kai oi xrhstes twn meswn, alla kai ta idia mesa, alla, mporei na kanei kai kataggelies, otan den ejyphreteitai apo ta dhmosias xrhshs forthga. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh, oxi aplws diaqetei politikh boylhsh, alla edeije oti einai kai ekeinh h kybernhsh poy exei thn apofasistikothta na epilysei pros ofelos toy dhmosioy symferontos ena terastio zhthma, gia to opoio h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh mas exei epibalei kai plhrwnoyme kaqhmerina poly megala prostima. Hdh, h apofash poy exei parei h kybernhsh einai nomos toy kratoys apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai fysika, h agora kai leitoyrgei kai qa leitoyrghsei kalytera. Kratame mia isorropia, me bash to dhmosio symferon. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala, ti synepeies yparxoyn. Kai fysika dhlwnoyme se ola ta mhkh kai se ola ta epipeda, oti to kratos diaqetei kai toys mhxanismoys kai ta ergaleia, etsi wste oi adeies oi opoies paraxwrhqhkan stoys idiokthtes forthgwn, na exoyn thn pragmatikh toys xrhsh. As mhn jexname, oti sto nomo gia thn peraiwsh qa symperilhfqei kai h forologikh elafrynsh twn idiokthtwn forthgwn. Giati prostateyoyme kai toys metaforeis mesa apo tis ryqmiseis poy kanoyme. Kai fysika aytes oi ryqmiseis symfwnhqhkan yper twn metaforewn me thn proypoqesh oti qa kanoyn th doyleia poy prepei na kanoyn, giati katexoyn adeies dhmosias xrhsews forthgwn.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Samaras, enw hdh o nomos gia tis metafores exei chfistei sth Boylh, einai nomos toy kratoys, anoije ek neoy to qema, legontas oti prepei na ayjhqei h metabatikh periodos ths trietias. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh ayth thn parembash toy k. Samara;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ta tria xronia ws metabatikh periodos kai oles oi elafrynseis, forologikes, asfalistikes kai ta anaptyjiaka kinhtra poy doqhkan stoys idiokthtes twn forthgwn, htan kinhsh ths kybernhshs, etsi wste na mporoyn na prosarmostoyn sto neo kaqestws. H Nea Dhmokratia chfise ayto to nomo kai shmera, mia ebdomada meta, bgainei kai leei oti qa prepei ayto to nomo poy chfise, emeis na ton allajoyme kai na dwsoyme megalytero metabatiko stadio. Nomizw oti qa prepei na meinoyme se askhseis stoixeiwdoys koinhs logikhs, giati apo edw kai pera, otan akoyme tetoioy eidoys kinhseis kai tetoioy eidoys qewrhseis, eidika apo ton arxhgo mias ypotiqemenhs ypeyqynhs ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, arxizoyme na amfiballoyme gia thn koinh logikh kai gia to aytonohto. Qa prepei h Nea Dhmokratia na antilhfqei oti exei na kanei me mia kybernhsh, h opoia exei parei toses apofaseis, poy epi dekaeties den tis exei parei kamia kybernhsh kai poly perissotero, den dianooyntan na tis parei h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, parolo poy miloyse gia metarryqmiseis kai diarqrwtikes allages. Anti, loipon, estw kai ayth th stigmh na deijei mia stoixeiwdh ypeyqynothta o k. Samaras, prospaqei na anatrecei ta aytonohta. Einai diko toy qema. Einai qema ajioprepeias, sobarothtas kai ypeyqynothtas ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai toy arxhgoy ths.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, to ypoyrgiko symboylio enekrine to nomosxedio gia thn peraiwsh. Wstoso, tis teleytaies hmeres kai xqes, giname martyres ths diatypwshs sobarhs dysareskeias apo thn pleyra boyleytwn ths sympoliteyshs. Kai malista, akoysame bareis xarakthrismoys, opws oti to nomosxedio einai aqlio, to nomosxedio einai kyniko ktl. Pws skeptetai h kybernhsh na antidrasei se ola ayta kai an thn anhsyxei h sygkekrimenh stash twn boyleytwn enocei ths chfoforias ths Pempths.

PETALWTHS: Qa epanalabw, gia allh mia fora, oti emeis toys boyleytes toys qewroyme kai toys antimetwpizoyme, giati aytos einai o syntagmatikos toys rolos, ws aytonomes politikes proswpikothtes. Einai anqrwpoi oi opoioi eklegontai apo ton ellhniko lao, ekproswpoyn ton ellhniko lao kai oxi aplws exoyn to dikaiwma alla einai ypoxrewmenoi na ekfrazoyn tis agwnies twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Emeis qeloyme na yparxei politikh syzhthsh akomh kai ektos twn kommatikwn teixwn, akomh kai ektos twn koinoboyleytikwn tomewn kai stis epitropes opoy symmetexoyn ola ta kommata, analoga me th dynamh toys. Kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei epaneilhmmenws oti aytes oi syzhthseis, oi diaforetikes protaseis, einai to ojygono ths politikhs zwhs.

Oson afora sthn peraiwsh: Fysika kai me tis diorqwseis poy ginontai kai qa ginoyn qa chfistei h peraiwsh thn Pempth apo th Boylh. Kai qa moy epitrecete, gia allh mia fora, na epanalabw oti h peraiwsh poy prowqoyme emeis kai qa chfisoyme, den exei kamia sxesh me thn peraiwsh toy parelqontos. Den einai mia katastash h opoia epiteinei th forologikh saqrothta poy yparxei. Einai mia katastash opoy pername apo to ena forologiko kaqestws sto allo. Prokeitai gia xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy ta opoia eite den exoyn eispraxqei, eite den prokeitai na eispraxqoyn, giati palindromoyn mesa stis forologikes ekkremothtes, eite mesa stis idies tis oikonomikes yphresies twn DOY, eite sta dikasthria. Synepws, eipame oti bazoyme mia ``kokkinh grammh'', oti teleiwnei to prohgoymeno forologiko kaqestws, alla gia na pame se ena neo qa prepei na ginei h stoixeiwdhs ekkaqarish. Kai shmera, otan briskomaste se ayth thn katastash den exoyme dikaiwma na afhnoyme xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy na xanontai kai na dinoyme amnhstia se anqrwpoys oi opoioi qa eprepe na plhrwsoyn.

Apo ekei kai pera, omws, leme oti einai h teleytaia fora. Qa yparxoyn tetoies forologikes ryqmiseis, poy den qa yparxei antikeimenikh dynatothta na ginei peraiwsh jana. Ara, pernwntas se ena diaforetiko forologiko kaqestws, ekkaqarizoyme to parelqon. Ayto einai dedomeno kai fysika qa ginei antilhpto kai apo th syzhthsh sth Boylh.

MARAQIAS: Kata synepeia oi boyleytes toy PASOK chfizoyn kata syneidhsh kai oxi sto plaisio mias kommatikhs peiqarxias gia to nomosxedio ths Pempths;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai zhthma oyte kommatikhs peiqarxias, oyte kati analogo. Oi boyleytes ekfrasthkan opws eprepe na ekfrastoyn mesa sthn armodia epitroph. Kai ayth thn ekfrash emeis th sebomaste. Thn parotrynoyme kiolas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes h GPO eixe mia poly endiaferoysa dhmoskophsh. Metajy allwn metrhse kai tis dyo pio shmantikes perifereies ths xwras kai toys treis koryfaioys Dhmoys. Qelw na gnwrizw ean einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh afhs stigmhs sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas o ypochfios poy yposthrizei ypoleipetai shmantika toy nyn Dhmarxoy. Sto Dhmo Qessalonikhs fainetai oti yparxei mia isochfia pros to paron. Sto Dhmo toy Peiraia o ypochfios toy PASOK k. Mixas einai mprosta. Wstoso stis dyo perifereies sthn men Kentrikh Makedonia einai xawdws mprosta o k. Cwmiadhs, sth de perifereia Attikhs, poy einai kai h koryfaia ths xwras deixnoyn oi dynameis ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias na katakermatizontai kai malista den einai kaqoloy bebaio oti ston deytero gyro qa yparxei aisio gia thn kybernhsh apotelesma.

PETALWTHS: Emeis kaname sygkekrimenes epiloges. Dhlwsame th sthrijh mas se sygkekrimenoys ypochfioys me poly sygkekrimena krithria. Kai ta krithria ayta na ypenqymisw einai: to krithrio ths ikanothtas toy sygkekrimenoy proswpoy poy hgeitai toy analogoy syndyasmoy, ths qelhshs kai ths boylhshs na prosferei mesa apo ayton ton xwro ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs kai fysika to na mporei sto proswpo toy na antanaklwntai kai na ekfrazontai polles synistwses ths koinwnias. Pisteyoyme oti aytes oi epiloges poy kaname einai oi kalyteres poy qa mporoysan na ginoyn. Kai fysika epeidh akribws aytoi oi anqrwpoi pisteyoyn sth Topikh Aytodioikhsh, pisteyoyme oti qa yparxei kai aisio telos se aytes tis ekloges. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, prokeitai gia mia dhmoskophsh. Yparxoyn kai alles dhmoskophseis. Emeis den poreyomaste me bash tis dhmoskophseis. Ayto to ekane h Nea Dhmokratia. To katakriname apo tote kai ayth einai kai h logikh mas shmera. Mas endiaferei na doqei enas agwnas, wste oi nees perifereies kai oi neoi dhmoi na mporoyn me ta katallhla proswpa na paijoyn ton shmantikotato rolo kai sth nea topikh aytodioikhsh.

XIDIROGLOY: Mia kai o logos sthn aytodioikhsh, k. Ekproswpe, symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn probolh tainiwn porno ths metamesonykties wres apo dhmotika mesa mazikhs epikoinwnias;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh sxoliazei ta ths kybernhshs. Ennoeitai oti den xrhzei apanthshs h erwthsh sas.

MARAQIAS: Na epistrecw ligo sth ypoqesh h skandalo Batopedioy. Apo th stigmh poy kata thn apoch sas yparxoyn oi ektimhseis poy apodeiknyoyn th zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy apo ayto to qema, gia poio logo kata thn apoch sas h proanakritikh epitroph parhggeile oktw nees dhmoskophseis apo tesseris ellhnikoys oikoys kai tesseris jenoys; Gia poio logo;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, na epanalabw gia allh mia fora oti oi epitropes apofasizoyn kata th qewrhsh toys kai kata th boylhsh toys. Einai qesmoqethmenes epitropes, anejarthtes apo thn kybernhsh. Apo ekei kai pera, profanws, to skeptiko einai gnwsto. Ypoqetw oti qa hqelan akribh prosdiorismo ths zhmias. Alla gia to an yparxei ayth h terastia zhmia, kaneis shmera, me th stoixeiwdh logikh kai xwris na ypotima th nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy den mporei na to yposthrijei. Mono h Nea Dhmokratia skefthke na kanei kati tetoio kai prospaqhse gia allh mia fora na ependysei me plasta dillhmata thn ypekfygh ths kai thn ejodo ths apo aytes tis epitropes. Apo ekei kai pera, to akribes megeqos ths zhmias, yparxoyn diaforoi tropoi gia na ektimhqei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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