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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-10-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 20 Oktwbrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 295589438

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(201010)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Oktwbrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo apogeyma.

Ton teleytaio xrono proxwrhsame se plhqos rizikwn allagwn, se oloys toys tomeis. Allages poy aposkopoysan kai aposkopoyn sth swthria ths xwras kai sthn egkaqidrysh ygiwn qesmwn kai domwn poy pragmatika qa allajoyn th xwra. H poreia htan epiponh kai oi qysies poy klhqhkame oloi na kanoyme, idiaitera shmantikes. Epiasan omws kai synexizoyn na pianoyn topo. Kai oso kai an ayto akoygetai shmera aytonohto, dystyxws, den htan aytonohto sto parelqon. Kai ayto allazei shmera. To gegonos oti pragmata aytonohta, ginontai epiteloys prajh, mas epitrepei shmera na aisiodojoyme.

Desmeythkame apo nwris oti me thn prwth eykairia, me thn prwth anakamch kai beltiwsh qa staqoyme sto plai aytwn poy pragmatika plhttontai perissotero apo thn krish kai exoyn ypostei epwdynes apofaseis. Kai ayto kanoyme prajh, anagnwrizontas pws prwtoi aytoi dikaioyntai na karpwqoyn thn opoia proodo ths xwras mas.

Endeiktika, proxwrame, opws anakoinwqhke xqes, se ena poly shmantiko programma mesw toy OAED, diathrhshs kai enisxyshs ths ergasias. Ena programma poy qa fqasei sto ycos twn 2,6 dis eyrw kai afora th dhmioyrgia kai diathrhsh synolika 670.000 qesewn. Ayth akribws h diathrhsh kai enisxysh ths ergasias qa diathrhsei oysiastika kai thn agorastikh dynamh twn politwn me ameses synepeies sthn anaqermansh ths agoras kai synepws kai sthn eyrwstia twn epixeirhsewn kai genikotera, fysika, kai sthn anaptyjh. Gi` ayto akribws to logo, qelhsame kai ergasthkame mazi me toys koinwnikoys etairoys, etsi wste olh ayth h prospaqeia na perasei sthn koinwnia me ton kalytero tropo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn leptomereies gia to nayagio ths ependyshs ston Astako;

PETALWTHS: Leptomereies, ws pros ti, dhladh;

KOYTRAS: Gia poio logo nayaghse, an empleketai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, an yparxei dysareskeia.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na tonisw edw, oti eprokeito gia mia idiwtikh ependysh. H ependysh ayth, opws mas enhmerwsan kai apo to Katar, den prokeitai na ginei, giati yphrxe diafwnia metajy ths italikhs pleyras kai ths pleyras toy Katar, me apotelesma na odhghqei h pleyra toy Katar sthn aposyrsh toy endiaferontos ths. Prokeitai, dhladh, gia mia amigws idiwtikh symfwnia kai emeis ws Politeia kai ws kratos, prospaqhsame kai dhmioyrghsame ena staqero kai elkystiko ependytiko periballon, etsi opws eixame kai exoyme ypoxrewsh na kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, h symfwnia metajy twn etairiwn aytwn einai idiwtikh. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai na dhmioyrghsoyme ena monimo, staqera filiko, ependytiko periballon, etsi wste na proselkyoyme tis idiwtikes, alla kai tis kratikes ependyseis kai apo alla krath kai fysika kai mesa apo th xwra mas.

KOYTRAS: Ayth h mataiwsh, telos pantwn, ths symfwnias gia ton Astako, dhmioyrgei kapoio qema gia to mnhmonio poy exei ypografei sth Nea Yorkh, metajy ths Elladas kai toy Katar;

PETALWTHS: Ep` oydeni ephreazei to mnhmonio, giati prwta ap` ola, to mnhmonio, to opoio ypografhke metajy Elladas kai Katar afora diakratikh synergasia kai den exei kamia sxesh me th mataiwsh toy Astakoy.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema: Yphrje fhmologia to prwi oti oysiastika to nayagio ston Astako, symparasyrei tropon tina kai tis opoies skeceis gia ependyseis sto Ellhniko. Isxyei kati tetoio;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti h mataiwsh toy ependytikoy programmatos toy Astakoy den exei kamia sxesh me to mnhmonio, to opoio ypogracame ws xwres. Einai mia diakratikh synergasia me sygkekrimeno programma, ycoys mexri 5 dis eyrw kai safws den exei kamia sxesh me ton Astako.

PAPPA: Yparxei kapoios skeptikismos sthn kybernhsh oti shkwse ejairetika, epikoinwniaka, th sygkekrimenh ependysh, xwris na einai wrimh;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den yphrxe kati tetoio. Ayto poy probalame den htan epikoinwniako, htan pragmatikothta. Oti dhladh, gia prwth fora ta teleytaia xronia h Ellada dhmioyrgei synqhkes proselkyshs jenwn ependytwn kai malista apo krath ta opoia exoyn th dynatothta kai th boylhsh na ependysoyn sth xwra mas. Ayto poy kaname kai kanoyme, einai ayto to periballon na to diarreysoyme pros to ejwteriko, wste na petyxoyme aytes tis ependyseis. Mexri ekei, omws. Oi idiwtikes symfwnies aforoyn aytoys poy tis synaptoyn. Einai shmantiko, omws, na gnwrizei h pagkosmia agora, oti edw yparxei ena staqero oikonomiko periballon. Kai fysika, oles oi ependyseis exoyn thn ajia toys kai eimaste se epoxh poy tis qeloyme.

SPANOY: Afoy lete oti gia prwth fora dhmioyrghsate elkystiko periballon gia ependyseis, poia ependysh exete proselkysei;

PETALWTHS: Opoios parakoloyqei, blepei oti gia prwth fora syzhtame me etairoys mas apo th dieqnh koinothta. Kai gia prwth fora, ta teleytaia xronia, yparxei tetoio qetiko klima gia thn Ellada. Kai fysika, oi ependyseis den ylopoioyntai apo th mia mera sthn allh. Opoios parakoloyqei ta gegonota, gnwrizei poly kala ti egine me thn Kina, ti ejakoloyqei na ginetai me to Katar. Blepei oti yparxoyn symfwnies kai yparxei endiaferon se dieqnes epipedo gia tis ependyseis sth xwra mas kai malista, apo etairoys oi opoioi einai pagkosmia dynatoi.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh exei enhmerwqei gia thn apofash twn yphresiwn ths KOMISION, oti qa prepei na epistrecoyme se prwth fash 371 ekatommyria eyrw kai kaq` oloklhrian 1,2 dis eyrw, gia tis agrotikes epidothseis poy doqhkan ta teleytaia xronia, me th gnwsth rhsh ``ola ta lefta, ola ta kila'';

PETALWTHS: Emeis enhmerwnomaste. Einai qema to opoio parakoloyqoyme. Eixame proballei kai sto parelqon tis antirrhseis mas, ws pros ayto to qema. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy leme apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame th diakybernhsh ths xwras einai oti prepei na baloyme ena telos stis ceytikes yposxeseis, oti qa prepei na ekkaqarisoyme olo to pedio kai stis agrotikes epidothseis. Den mporoyme, pleon, na kanoyme agrotikh politikh me epidothseis amfiboloy nomimothtas. Kai fysika, einai ena qema poy to xeirizomaste giati antilambanomaste oti kai se ayto ton tomea, h N.D. exei ejairetikes eyqynes. Kai pragmatika kaloymaste shmera, ws xwra, na plhrwsoyme thn pelateiakh politikh ths N.D. kai ston agrotiko tomea. Einai ena qema to opoio proseggizoyme me sobarothta, einai ena zhthma to opoio mas afora amesa, mias kai prokeitai gia poly megala posa, poy h xwra mas, idiaitera shmera, ta exei poly megalh anagkh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kai ena qema politiko. Pio sygkekrimena, h politikh ayth ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, shmera apo ta koinotika organa apodokimazetai di` aytoy toy tropoy. Qa zhthsete ejhghseis apo th N.D.;

PETALWTHS: To qema twn eyqynwn einai jekaqaro, einai sygkekrimeno. Oytws h allws to anagnwrizoyme kai anagnwrizetai. Einai aytonohto. Einai, omws, ena zhthma to opoio, epanalambanw, proseggizoyme me sobarothta, giati prokeitai gia epistrofh xrhmatos. Ara, h sobarothta mas einai poly shmantiko na yparxei. Oi eyqynes, omws, ths N.D. einai ejairetika shmantikes, giati politeyqhke se ola ta epipeda me tetoioy eidoys symperifores. Kai epeidh, eidika shmera, emeis katadikazoyme me ton pio safh tropo tetoioy eidoys symperifores, tis opoies safws kai den akoloyqoyme, einai shmantiko na antilambanomaste, ti ginotan, ti ginetai kai ti synepeies plhrwnoyme shmera apo ayth thn politikh ths N.D.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Qelw na moy ejhghsete kati, giati mallon den mporw na to katalabw. Akoysa prin apo liga lepta, ton Prwqypoyrgo na perigrafei ena dyskolo forologiko periballon, ena forologiko periballon ayth th stigmh sth xwra idiaitero, logw ths oikonomikhs krishs. To elege malista se neoys epixeirhmaties kai me thn paradoxh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den mporei na ginei kati kalyterh sthn paroysa fash, me ayta ta oikonomika dedomena. An, loipon, katalabainw kala, exoyme ena dyskolo forologiko periballon, logw oikonomikhs krishs. Kai thn idia wra h kybernhsh diateinetai oti proskalei ependyseis. Poios na erqei na ependysei kai me poion tropo ayta ta dyo pragmata syndyazontai;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jexwrisoyme dyo pragmata. Yparxei mia pragmatikothta sthn opoia antanaklwntai oi paqogeneies kai oi agkylwseis toy parelqontos, agkylwseis dekaetiwn, alla kai kyriws twn paqogeneiwn twn eji teleytaiwn xronwn ths diakybernhshs ths N.D., tis opoies plhrwnoyme akomh kai shmera. Ara, yparxei mia pragmatikothta, thn opoia emeis edw kai ena xrono prospaqoyme kai mexri se ena shmeio thn allazoyme, me poly megales kai shmantikes apofaseis poy lambanoyme. Alla o dromos poy exoyme na dianysoyme akomh einai poly megalos kai me tis allages poy ofeiloyme na kanoyme, alla kai me tis epiptwseis twn allagwn. Emeis prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme ena staqero, dhmosionomiko kai elkystiko periballon, opoy kaneis den qa exei amfibolies gia to poio kratos exei apenanti toy kai ti eidoys sxesh kai synallagh mporei na exei me ayto to kratos. Ara, h pragmatikothta den einai eyxaristh. To eyxaristo einai oti emeis, kai ekei einai h diafora mas me th N.D., kanoyme tis megales allages kai lambanoyme tis megales apofaseis. Enw edw kai xronia akoyme gia metarryqmiseis oi opoies den eginan pote.

Emeis apo thn prwth stigmh dhmioyrgoyme ena allo kratos, dhmioyrgoyme mia allh, diaforetikh, dhmosia dioikhsh, h opoia pragmatika tonizei th sxesh empistosynhs kratoys-polith, poy ola ayta exoyn antanaklash kai sthn oikonomia, poso mallon, se dieqnes epipedo. Kai einai shmantiko oti exoyme ena mparaz dhmosiwn, dieqnwn, qetikwn dhlwsewn, poy akribws antikatoptrizoyn kai thn empistosynh poy mas deixnoyn kai oi etairoi mas, polloi apo toys opoioys kapote mas katekrinan.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na to qesw alliws to erwthma: Ti apantate sth N.D. kai proswpika ston k. Samara, poy sas kathgorei oti ``an forologhseis to mhden, qa pareis mhden''.

PETALWTHS: O k. Samaras, profanws, exei kales sxeseis me to mhden. Ayto einai safes, giati blepoyme oti ekfrazei mia mhdaminh kai mhdenikh politikh apoch. Kai fysika, ena mhdenismo kai mia praktikh poy den armozei se ena sobaro komma kai malista ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

LASKARATOS: Na epistrecw ston Astako, kyrie Ypoyrge, an moy epitrepete, giati toses hmeres h kybernhsh eixe kallierghsei ena klima kai eixe dhmioyrghsei ayjhmenes prosdokies ston kosmo gia mia amigws idiwtikh ependysh, opws kai eseis gia prwth fora xarakthrisate shmera, thn ependysh ston Astako. Ti pisteyete oti skeftetai o mesos Ellhnas shmera, otan blepei oti ta logia den metoysiwnontai se erga, den blepei kapoia ejelijh;

PETALWTHS: O mesos Ellhnas poliths gnwrizei oti edw kai para polla xronia yphrxe mia erhmos apo ependyseis, oti kaneis sobaros ependyths den mporoyse na erqei na ependysei sth xwra mas, gia polles aities oi opoies einai gnwstes: H grafeiokratia, to pelateiako kratos, o megalos kyklos diafqoras. Emeis dhmioyrgoyme ena staqero periballon antiqeto me ola ayta. Ayto einai poy menei sto meso Ellhna. Kai fysika, oi ependyseis, kai malista otan afora se idiwtikes ependyseis, den ejartwntai apo emas. Einai eyqynh ths Politeias na dhmioyrghsei ena ygies periballon. Ean yparxei sto telos h mataiwsh mias tetoias synallaghs, ayto einai qema idiwtiko. Mas endiaferoyn oi idiwtikes ependyseis, exoyme ypoxrewsh na tis proselkyoyme, na dhmioyrgoyme tetoio periballon, alla fysika, den einai diko mas qema h oloklhrwsh mias tetoias ependyshs. Ekeino poy menei, omws, einai oti emeis, ws kratos, mporoyme na eimaste pleon ajiopistoi.

LASKARATOS: H kybernhsh einai aplos parathrhths; Dhladh, den eblepe poy phgaine h katastash me ton Astako; Perimene na parei thn telikh apanthsh; Giati den eixame katalabei emeis oti yparxei mia aisqhsh apo thn kybernhsh oti qa odhgoymastan se nayagio.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh den einai parathrhths, giati akribws kanei th doyleia ths me ton kalytero tropo. Dhmioyrgei synqhkes kratoys eynomoymenoy kai ajiopistoy pros toys jenoys ependytes. Alla, se mia ependysh yparxoyn polles parametroi. Kai malista, otan prokeitai gia ependyseis oi opoies exoyn na kanoyn me etairoys apo diafora krath, yparxoyn kai polla zhthmata. An kati den paei kala, fysika den einai ypeyqynh h kybernhsh.

PAPPA: Einai mia parametros, loipon, oti sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs yphrxan diaforetikes apoceis, oson afora th sygkekrimenh ependysh kai yphrxan melh ths kybernhshs poy eqetan qema, oson afora to periballon;

PETALWTHS: Gia mas o paragontas periballon einai prwtarxikos, giati den dexomaste kai den qa anexomastan, se kamia ependysh na yparxei katastrofh toy periballontos. Ejalloy, h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. einai gnwsto oti dhmioyrghse ena ypoyrgeio me isxyrh boylhsh kai isxyrh ektelestikh dynatothta, to ypoyrgeio Periballontos. Apo ekei kai pera, kamia sxesh den yparxei ths mataiwshs toy ergoy me opoiesdhpote amfibolies qa mporoysan na ekfrastoyn se ola ta epipeda. Emeis kanoyme th doyleia mas. H kybernhsh exei parei tis apofaseis ths kai sto sygkekrimeno qema. Oi opoies syzhthseis qa mporoysan na ginoyn, safws kai den ephreasan th mataiwsh aytoy toy ergoy.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, nwritera o Prwqypoyrgos, apeyqynomenos se neoys epixeirhmaties, eipe oti den qa yparjei forologikh epibarynsh. Ayto afora kai akyrwsh twn senariwn peri ayjhshs toy FPA se orismena proionta h metatajhs kapoiwn allwn se alla; Pagiwnei ayto to senario, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos, me thn topoqethsh toy shmera;

PETALWTHS: Einai dyo diaforetika zhthmata. O Prwqypoyrgos exei mia ejairetikh symmetoxh se hmerida toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs gia th neanikh epixeirhmatikothta kai thn kainotomia. Eixe mazi toys ektenestath syzhthsh kai akribws, ofeile kai ayto ekane, na dwsei to stigma ths kybernhtikhs politikhs pros toys neoys epixeirhmaties poy exoyn thn texnologia kai kainotomia, ws aixmh twn epixeirhsewn toys.

Sto senario sto opoio anafereste gia to FPA einai ena apo ta enallaktika senaria, etsi wste ta esoda na ayjhqoyn, xwris na yparxei ypagwgh mazikwn proiontwn ston ychlo syntelesth FPA. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Emeis pantote prospaqoyme na broyme ekeines tis lyseis, etsi wste kai toys ygieis epixeirhmaties na dieykolynoyme, alla kai na mhn epibarynoyme kyriws ta xamhlotera kai ta mesaia strwmata, me mia anejelegkth ayjhsh toy FPA. Kai ayto synexizoyme na to kanoyme.

STRATAKHS: Ma, an den afora to FPA, ti allo qa mporoyse na afora ayth h diabebaiwsh oti den qa yparjoyn alloi foroi;

PETALWTHS: Qa mporoyse na afora ayjhsh forologikwn syntelestwn. Den yparxei, fysika, kamia tetoia skech.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei jekinhsei mia syzhthsh gia dikh sas epiqymia na pame se nea metra, katopin bebaiws kai ths epikeimenhs ayjhshs toy elleimmatos gia to 2009, amesws meta tis ekloges. H syzhthsh jekinhse apo thn antipoliteysh, alla epektaqhke kai ston Typo, akoygetai kai ektos twn synorwn apo epishma xeilh. Shmera, para tis diabebaiwseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn, o Prwqypoyrgos den eipe oti den qa paroyme nea metra, eipe oti to baros qa pesei stis politikes poy meiwnoyn tis spatales sto Dhmosio. Ayto shmainei nea metra, alla me baros stis dapanes kai oxi sta esoda;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh exoyme parejhghsei ton oro ``nea metra'', epeidh exei taytistei me perikopes misqwn, syntajewn klp, kathgorhmatika diasafhnizw oti den prokeitai na epibarynqei kaneis poliths se sxesh me thn forologhsh toy. Den qa ginei kamia perikoph misqwn h syntajewn. Ayto to jekaqarizoyme. Ean ws nea metra, etsi opws akoygontai, mporoyme na qewrhsoyme th meiwsh ths spatalhs, nai. Tetoies apofaseis qa tis lambanoyme. Einai diarkhs mas politikh. Einai epilogh mas na perikocoyme akomh perissotero th spatalh sto ellhniko dhmosio, prokeimenoy na yparxei kai ejorqologismos twn dapanwn alla kai ayjhsh twn esodwn ejoikonomwntas apo aytoy toy eidoys tis perikopes. Alla, nea metra den prokeitai na yparjoyn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Ayto shmainei oti qa exoyme epektash toy monteloy OSE se alles DEKO; H ayjhsh toy timologioy ths DEH den einai epibarynsh gia ton misqwto;

PETALWTHS: H DEH einai anwnymh etairia, den exei sxesh me to kratos. Ekeino to opoio mporesame na kanoyme emeis, pros antirrophsh ths epibarynshs, apo mia oytws h allws epibeblhmenh apo th DEH ayjhsh toy timologioy, einai na qesmoqethsoyme to koinwniko timologio. Na dhmioyrghsoyme polles shmantikes dikleides elafrynshs twn mesaiwn kai xamhlwn eisodhmatwn. Kai fysika den einai nea metra oi ayjhseis sta timologia ths DEH.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h DEH emfanizetai ws AE na exei kerdh 1 dis. Poioi logoi loipon epibaloyn thn ayjhsh twn timologiwn; Kai deyteron, stelexh ths DEH se thleoptikh synenteyjh eipan oti prokeimenoy na entopistoyn oi oikonomika adynamoi kai na ginei ekptwsh pros aytoys - ara exei sxesh me to kratos ws koinwfelhs epixeirhsh, estw kai an den einai AE - exei apeyqeias syndesh toys dikoys ths ypologistes me to TAXIS kai me ola ta systhmata poy yparxoyn gia ton elegxo twn forologoymenwn. den tiqetai qema mia AE, opws eseis lete, na exei prosbash sta proswpika dedomena twn forologoymenwn olhs ths xwras afenos, kai afeteroy giati mpleketai, afoy einai AE, to kratos mesa se ayth thn epidomatikh politikh;

PETALWTHS: To qesmiko kai nomiko plaisio ths DEH einai dedomeno, einai gnwsto, einai qesmoqethmeno. Sas anaferw oti fetos h DEH me aytoy toy eidoys tis ayjhseis kai kyriws tis meiwseis, xanei 100 ekat. eyrw. Ara to na leme oti exei 1 dis eyrw kerdh h apoqematiko, ara exei periqwria na kanei peraiterw meiwseis den einai swsto. Fetos, logw aytwn twn meiwsewn poy kanoyme, exei apwleia 100 ekat. eyrw. Apo ekei kai pera, otan prepei na dieykolynoyme toys polites mas, ean qetoyme qemata proswpikwn dedomenwn, den ta dexomaste giati den mporoyme na akyrwsoyme ayth thn poly shmantikh koinwnikh politikh gia na mhn epibarynontai oi sympolites mas apo aytes tis ayjhseis.

STRATAKHS: Pws aifnhs k. Ekproswpe h DEH exei toys mhxanismoys gia na entopisei toys adynamoys oikonomika kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos...

PETALWTHS: Den exei toys mhxanismoys, synergazetai me to kratos kai synergazetai akribws gia ayto to logo. Na petyxoyme thn elafrynsh twn sympolitwn mas apo tis opoies ayjhseis.

STRATAKHS: Ma, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ eixe oti akribws akyrwnetai h prospaqeia ejiswshs toy foroy se petrelaio qermanshs kai kinhshs , giati akribws den yparxei o mhxanismos gia na entopistoyn aytoi oi polites. Telika, ti isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Den eipame ayto. Eipame oti qa yparxei ejiswsh otan yparjei aytos o mhxanismos. Kai o mhxanismos gia thn ejiswsh twn petrelaiwn den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy anaferete gia th DEH.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo pantoy proejofleitai oti to elleimma to 2009 qa einai megalytero, qa mas to pei h Eurostat amesws meta tis dhmotikes ekloges. To erwthma einai ean h kybernhsh exei stoys sxediasmoys ths thn epilogh na anaqewrhsei kai to AEP.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ti dhladh;

MIXAHL: An anaqewrhsei h kybernhsh to AEP toy 2009, kalyptei thn ayjhsh toy elleimmatos poy qa mporei na prokycei, opws oloi lene, apo thn ereyna ths Eurostat. Exete tetoio sxediasmo;

PETALWTHS: Eimaste jekaqaroi. Gia prwth fora yparxei mia anejarthth statistikh yphresia sth xwra mas, h opoia pragmatika erxetai na qerapeysei thn katastash paragwghs parapoihmenwn stoixeiwn. Ayto einai safestato kai einai safestato kai pros toys etairoys mas. H Eurostat kanei mia sygkekrimenh analysh, mia sygkekrimenh doyleia, se synergasia fysika me thn dikh mas Statistikh Yphresia. Anamenetai na doqoyn anaqewrhmena stoixeia gia to elleimma toy 2009. Ekeino to opoio einai jekaqaro gia emas, gia ayto den caxnoyme alles lyseis, einai oti o ektroxiasmos qa einai toso mikros, etsi wste den qa yparxoyn synepeies sta dhmosionomika ths xwras mas. Kai gia ayto akribws to logo den qa yparxoyn peraiterw apofaseis.

MARAQIAS: Qa kanate kataggelia sto SDOE gia kapoion syggenh sas h geitona o opoios forodiafeygei;

PETALWTHS: Proswpikh erwthsh;

MARAQIAS: Kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

PETALWTHS: H erwthsh einai proswpikh. Ean qelete na rwthsete kati, na to rwthsete.

MARAQIAS: Kaleite ton ellhniko lao na kataggellei sto SDOE toys geitones kai toys syggeneis oi opoioi forodiafeygoyn;

PETALWTHS: To na apomonwnoyme kati, nomizw oti adikei thn olh prospaqeia poy ginetai. To exw pei kai qa prepei, epiteloys, na to antilhfqoyme oloi oti eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na dhlwnoyme ta eisodhmata mas. Eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kataballoyme toys foroys mas. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai pleon qa prepei na ginei kai syneidhsh toy Ellhna polith, ayto to opoio den exei ginei edw kai xronia, xwris dikh toy eyqynh. Alla epeidh eimaste synypeyqynoi se olo ayto poy ginetai edw kai xronia, me kyria eyqynh toy kratoys, prepei epiteloys na apokthsoyme forologikh syneidhsh. Kai ayto qa prepei na to antilhfqoyme oloi kai na blepoyme th synolikoterh prospaqeia poy ginetai sto na xtisoyme ena staqero dhmosionomiko kai forologiko systhma. Kai ayto mporei na exei diafores parametroys.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Skefteste na efarmosete kapoia diatajh poy na dhmosieyontai forologikes dhlwseis kapoiwn gia na blepoyn oi diplanoi toys poso plhrwnoyn;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema proswpikwn dedomenwn kai qa apofanqei h Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, ean mporei na ginei kati tetoio.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Pantws, eseis skefteste na to efarmosete an sas dwsoyn thn adeia.

PETALWTHS: Emeis skeftomaste na efarmosoyme otidhpote qa symballei sthn kaqierwsh forologikhs syneidhshs kai sth diafaneia twn forologikwn mas stoixeiwn. Fysika qa sebastoyme ta proswpika dedomena. Yparxei h Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn poy mporei na ejetasei kai na apofanqei ean yparxei kati tetoio.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti proexei gia thn kybernhsh, na apokthsoyn oi polites forologikh syneidhsh h prwta to kratos na kanei ton forologiko elegxo kai th doyleia toy ws ofeilei kai na mhn perimenei ayth th doyleia na thn kanei o poliths ws allos katadoths;

PETALWTHS: Ayto qa mporoysa na to dexqw, ean ayto to kratos den htan apo ta pio ajiopista ta teleytaia xronia. Kai to lew ayto giati oi eispraktikoi kai oi forologikoi mhxanismoi, epiteloys doyleyoyn kai ginontai oi perissoteres diastayrwseis poy eginan ta teleytaia xronia. Yparxoyn katasxeseis spitiwn, skafwn, perioysiakwn stoixeiwn twn megaloofeiletwn toy Dhmosioy. Synepws, to kratos prospaqei kai me aytes tis synqhkes kai me ayth th domh kai ypodomh poy exei, me to sygkekrimeno stelexiako dynamiko na kanei me ton kalytero tropo th doyleia toy. Einai mia poly megalh prospaqeia, sthn opoia prepei na symballoyme oloi. Kai qa prepei na symballoyme me thn ypeyqynothta kai th skech oti briskomaste pleon se mia diaforetikh epoxh kai qa prepei oloi na ginoyme pio ypeyqynoi.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exei kai o Nikos Papandreoy kales sxeseis me to mhden. Giati, apo oti qymamai, exei pei akribws to idio poy eipe o k. Samaras.

PETALWTHS: Gia ton k. Niko Papandreoy den apantw, giati eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, kai den kaqorizei politikes, opws kaqorizei o k. Samaras. Alla, gia ton proedro toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, h eyqynh pros to mhden einai poly megalh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti yparxoyn arketoi boyleytes, oi opoioi skeftontai an qa chfisoyn thn protash ths epitrophs gia parapomph kai twn pente gia to qema toy Batopedioy. An sas problhmatizei, dhladh, to gegonos oti mporei na yparxoyn diarroes.

PETALWTHS: Prokeitai gia mia mystikh chfoforia. H doyleia poy egine sthn prokatartikh epitroph gia to Batopedi, htan endelexhs, episthmonikh, politika artia. Yparxei ena sygkekrimeno porisma me porismatikes ekqeseis kai fysika einai mia eykairia na jekaqarisei epiteloys ayth h ypoqesh. To na mas problhmatizei, giati; Oi boyleytes exoyn th dikh toys politikh ontothta, th dikh toys politikh boylhsh kai anephreastoi qa krinoyn ean qa prepei na parapemfqoyn osoi proteinontai apo to porisma ths prokatartikhs epitrophs.

MARAQIAS: Pws sxoliazete thn protash toy k. Karatzaferh peri oikoymenikhs kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Ayth h protash erxetai kai epanerxetai kai apo ton k. Karatzaferh, alla kai apo alloys paragontes. Ti na sxoliasoyme; Yparxei mia kybernhsh poy kerdise tis ekloges me diafora deka kai pleon posostiaiwn monadwn apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Mia kybernhsh, h opoia doylece ton teleytaio ena xrono oso den doylecan polles kybernhseis dekaeties oloklhres. Emeis koitazoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas. H xwra exei kybernhsh h opoia ergazetai sklhra. Ta peri oikoymenikwn kybernhsewn den mas aforoyn, profanws kapoioi tis oregontai.

SABBOPOYLOY: Qa yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias sthn chfoforia gia to Batopedi;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Einai mystikh chfoforia kai oi boyleytes mporoyn na krinoyn gia to poios eftaije kai poios den eftaije sto skandalo toy Batopedioy.

Sas eyxaristw.


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